EPTJust because it seems too stupid for scum to constantly defend Holyflare the entire game. It doesn't make him town, but it's not a good reason to scumread him. And the other reasons alone weren't quite convincing enough.
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Just because it seems too stupid for scum to constantly defend Holyflare the entire game. It doesn't make him town, but it's not a good reason to scumread him. And the other reasons alone weren't quite convincing enough. ##unvote | ||
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Rsoultin could probably fool me, rsoultin could definitely pocket me, but I still feel like her play would look completely different to this as mafia. Less emotional, more "pristine". Half the Sky could probably fool me, and I haven't really looked at her. But her play seems to have a "town spark". That leaves Clarity_nl. I think he's scum. Mafia nightkilled Vivax. Vivax was scumreading Clarity_nl. Holyflare brought up good reasons for lynching him as well. It's not entirely logical, mostly just a feeling. But I'll take it. | ||
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But he took a break to completely switch his read on Holyflare, willing to lynch him just for martyring? This isn't something that someone who is calm, and is actually caring about the game, would do. Someone tell me why I'm wrong. | ||
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Like seriously, what the heck? And yeah, it's just hard for me to see town playing the game this cleanly. With this many pages, and this many frustrations, town is going to get emotional, town is going to crack sometimes, town is going to have trouble keeping up with the thread, town is going to lose their objectivity sometimes. You can see that in almost everyone's play, even Holyflare's, to some extent. But not really in Clarity_nl, and not really in Half the Sky (from what I saw, anyway). Breshke, Clarity_nl didn't really mind it the first two times, right? Why would the third time make any difference? Clarity_nl continued to put effort into the game, and didn't seem at all upset/frustrated by Holyflare? And then continued to vote for Holyflare after he came back, right? It's not sensible, except as a pure emotional reaction (but even then, is hard to see), but that's completely incongruous with the rest of his play this game. Lynch Clarity_nl. | ||
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Clarity_nl wasn't sure about both ObiWanShinobi (the claimed jailkeep target) and Breshke. He should have been very excited to see this claim, because regardless of the results, he gains a ton of information about the people he's most concerned about. But he didn't seem excited at all. His thoughts came in a series of several posts, and the priorities felt off. The first thing he does is ask Breshke for his other jailkeep targets. Why does he care about this, why does he assume that Breshke has many uses of his role, and is claiming now for no reason? I feel like this is more likely to come from mafia, automatically fearing the worst case scenario. The rest of his questions didn't feel aligned with a town mindset, either, and most notably, all of the excitement was gone. | ||
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I probably won't have that much time tomorrow, and I'm not sure if I can be around for the deadline. And rsoultin, sometime you can let me play a game for myself. You realize that I play as lazily as possible? The more you defend me, the less I feel forced to actually do things... | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:02 Trfel wrote: On second thought, don't trust me. That's a really bad idea.LYNCH CLARITY TRUST ME I'll go read Holyflare's filter, at least I can trust him. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:05 Half the Sky wrote: The current biggest three players in the game are you (Half the Sky), rsoultin, and Clarity_nl.HFs filter = lynch Clarity, Rasputin and me I believe. I am drowning in HFs 45 page filter right now. Fuck my life. All three of you are fairly influential, very hard to lynch, and capable players who are putting effort into solving the game. But, mafia killed Vivax and LightningStrike. Why? Vivax was only recently putting in the same effort that you three were all game long. Vivax was scumreading Clarity_nl, and is a proven player with a good abilities to make accurate reads and push them. LightningStrike was confirmed town. Why kill LightningStrike? To add to town's confusion, to prevent town from having a confirmed town to help base things and keep people sort of together. But if all three of rsoultin, Half the Sky, and Clarity_nl are town, then that's already provided? To me, the scum feels like Clarity_nl. | ||
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rsoultin (5): boxerfred, ruXxar, XEliteBlueHunter69X, Breshke, Oatsmaster XEliteBlueHunter69X (3): Clarity_nl, rsoultin, Half the Sky Clarity_nl (1): Trfel WaveofShadow (1): WaveofShadow boxerfred (0): ruXxar (0): Trfel (0): Not Voting (1): ObiWanShinobi Need 6 to lynch. I'll be out for a bit (lunch). Will be back later, and hopefully (maybe?) around for the deadline, though I'll have to leave very soon after. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:15 Half the Sky wrote: Sure, the night kills could be for WIFOM.I'm feeling the same Trfel as wisdom the argument may be...the competing case is too good. But no one pushed it? If mafia wanted to leave Clarity_nl alive and kill the person scumreading him for WIFOM reasons, someone would have brought it up earlier. If you want to lynch me to prove that it was brought up by town, feel free (I guess someone might have mentioned it, I didn't read super closely, but I did not notice much discussion about Clarity_nl at all). | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote: One of you has to be scum because of how confident, how smooth the two mafia who have flipped have played. If all of the remaining mafia were lurky and scummy, would KelsierSC post like this after being modkilled?i don't think most people disagree with you, just you know, perhaps on the one of us three is scum xP i dunnae...i don't really buy necessarily that there has to be scum in the three of us. what's your read on ebh? On July 15 2015 07:15 KelsierSC wrote: The answer is NEVER to lynch all the scummy people and lurkers, especially in a large game with a ton of posts. There's basically no way that all of the leading posters are town.sorry whoever got offended by my post gg all was fun | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:55 rsoultin wrote: If KelsierSC was playing seriously and putting effort into a game where all of his teammates were lurky and scummy, he would be much more upset over being modkilled. Because from his perspective, that modkill would basically guarantee a town victory. Instead, he seems not too worried about it. I realize there was some time between the modkill and this post, but I think it's still significant.-squints- like i agree on that? most likely not every single scum player is going to be lurky, but i'm not sure what ksc's post has to do with that assumption also wave prob scum for that ninja vote ^^ | ||
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Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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Anyway, I guess I'll switch my vote. ##unvote ##vote XEliteBlueHunter69X Seems to be no way to get a Clarity_nl lynch, especially with Half the Sky vanishing. | ||
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Maybe mafia is just the lurkers? Bleh. Either way, I really don't think that rsoultin is mafia, so I'd rather lynch this random guy who claims to have solved the game but I haven't seen interested in seriously playing the game. | ||
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