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Your role in this game:+ Show Spoiler + The Amnesiac: Someone push you down the lighthouse. You wake up with a horrible headache. Surrounding you are concerning but unknown faces. You wonder: who are these people? You turn to yourself; who am I? You can just remember the way to the lighthouse, should you go there? You are not aware of your role, until you throw yourself down the lighthouse. You may win or lose with either faction. Tragic story. Still have the headache, would rather not go there. So let's start the game. Ok I notice a lot of people like mordek, asmodeus, jcarlsoniv, Cixah, (Dandel Ion) I've never seen before, but BM, GB or HF seem familiar with you. So what's the story? Do you guys know each other from playing mafia together before? | ||
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On July 02 2015 22:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I mean, tbh, I'd prefer you didn't just give me a free pass for the sake of giving me a free pass. Many of us are from the liquidlegends "Lounge" (formerly offtopic thread). A bunch of people there weren't interested in playing, so y'all mafiosos filled the rest of the spots. I've got some mafia experience here, but it's been a couple years since I played with any frequency. I'm confused/interested in your roleclaim though uhuh, so you guys were actually LoL players or interestees, who over time frequented this off-topic thread: http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/shopkeepers-inn/426393-off-topic-general-discussion?page=5160 From just a few pages I already see you, Lord Tolkien, Comadose, Cixah, asmodeus, Dandel Ion, WoS and HF. The closure of this thread caused some debate with the mods, right? And then yamato thought this was a nice theme to have an mafia game on? So are there any mods over there playing here (I guess not)? ... ok I also spotted yamato and mordek.. in the Lounge thread. So that leaves GB, VE, BM and me basically as the only one not frequenting the liquidlegends forum? About my roleclaim, I think you know what it means.^^ | ||
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On July 03 2015 06:00 Holyflare wrote: vote me or dandel ![]() OMG, this fusion of elements is AWESOME. Is it the guy from transformers? | ||
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On July 03 2015 06:52 AsmodeusXI wrote: waaaat boo ##unvote ##vote: Plotspot fkin hell i'm such a mafia noob I'm hanging on this because of the role claim but idk. dammit Don't worry, everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list. You are saved right now. | ||
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2. Tolkien = rather town 3. Holyflare = mom I don't know what he's doing 4. Sonib = rather town 5. Coma = ??? 6. Mordek = ??? 7. GlowingBear = rather town 8. ASMODEUSXI = rather town 9. VisceraEyes = rather scum 10. Bill = mom I don't know what he's doing 11. Dandel = mom I don't know what he's doing 12. Cixah = not sure if serious | ||
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On July 03 2015 01:34 mordek wrote: Is that role claim of his actually a thing? This situation really screwed me last time lol Can you elaborate what you mean or what happened last time? | ||
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##VOTE: Lord Tolkien Mayor vote shenanigans? Probably not worth it, right? | ||
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On July 04 2015 10:00 Dandel Ion wrote: ok so i am aware that the actual non-moron move would be to lynch the traitor claim especially since he is complete scum but i am not so predictable nobody tried to argue against asmo so if scumteam are all afk or in the shitter then gz i guess you baited and outsmarted me today, won't last too much longer tho so i can live with that esp since i left them the door open for "safe" complaints and nobody took it in general i interpret the nothingness and shitballery at the end of the day as scumods being fine with the way things were going so i didn't want to go for coma either i implicitly implied i wouldn't lynch holyflare today. oops. he probably thinks because bad players have "respect" i give a shit or that he can coast on memes because hey, memes everybody likes memes, but that aint falco i know that it might look like theres a push off me onto wave but im actually fairly sure it's just people being bored because nothing happened that last 6 hours so yeah in true politician fashion i will claim all credit if im right and no responsibility if im wrong #plays So you actually wanted to lynch asmodeus, but then saw nobody was arguing with him so this means mafia was fine with it, meaning asmodeus is not mafia. What do you mean exactly "by leaving door open for "safe" complaints"? Ok, I'm going to sleep now. | ||
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On July 05 2015 13:57 Lord Tolkien wrote: Well THIS is interesting. In order, 1) Yes, 100% yes. He saved someone and died for it. 2) Not sure, but... This is the best breadcrumb I can find, and which means he probably saved Wave. Like, there are no other Canadians worth a save. No offense Coma. That's cool, he probably save Wave though, the youtube link is about some guy riding a moose on water. If he had protected Coma he would have probably posted some sleepwalking dude. So wave is pretty much town, makes sense that mafia wanted to kill him, since he looked most organized out of everyone. | ||
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On July 05 2015 20:08 Dandel Ion wrote: Are we voting a mayor or a lynch today? im assuming lynch but it's not too clear On July 05 2015 12:52 yamato77 wrote: Day 2 -insert pending flavor here- Mordek the Martyr has died! + Show Spoiler + AlterKot - Martyr You die for the sins of other posters, in the name of all TLLOLOTGD memes and shitposting. Each night, you choose one target to protect. If they were targeted by KP, you are targeted by that KP instead. You win when all Mods are eliminated. It is now day 2, you have ~45 hours to decide on a lynch Could be a singular you.^^ YAY you're still mayor and can wreck havoc once mor. | ||
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ok got ya dandel, as I thought | ||
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On July 06 2015 05:02 Cixah wrote: Hi bill, Can I get your town read please? Also who would you like to lynch today? Thanks, Is there a reason why you suddenly ask BM, and not someone else, to give his opinion, when he didn't appear to be around at this time? | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: What? Are you suggesting you have a meta read on Cixah? But your first post of the game was asking who all these strange people are: No it's not meta. I base it on what I see. I see a not so confident Cixah and I see scum jumping on him because of that. Or do you mean to say Cixah is usually different, when playing this game as town? Then this would be something I wouldn't know. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:28 Cixah wrote: 2nd game of mafia on forums and its the 2nd time scum have jumped on me from day 1 after the alagations of wave. I think wave is town this game, but i do not think GB, Lt, or asmo are. Unfortunately im at work and can't dig into their posts right now. Do you have any idea why someone would RB you and shoot wave? Normally they RB the guy who they shoot. Do you think it's possible that mordek protected you? | ||
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the game he just finished Himalaya. He was cop with some cool play outing two mafia. Then one mafia claims tracker and got him the cop lynched. You should read that game, really funny stuff. The same thing kinda happens here, just in a different way.^^ | ||
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BM kinda town then. What weird roles we have in this game. Martyrer, Nuker?^^ what else | ||
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"HF the Vanilla Townie got kicked out of the thread", is that all? Notice the word "kicked". Also, no flavor unlike every other person who died? Ok; maybe he was not modkilled, but I think there is a reason why the host don't post HF's flavor, probably because the full extent would include the picture he posted as his first post? | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:09 ComaDose wrote: plotspot arnt you talking a bit too much about role pms? also the jinx kappa face was banned from the offtopic thread so its part of the theme of rebelling against the mods and not relevant to the role pms. not to mention its not the same picture. Ok I didn't know that. I just thought since wave got a full VT flavor with a jinx face picture in it, every VT must have gotten such a post with a slightly different jinx face. I don't even know whether it is just the face you guys normally post that is the offender or any such variants. I do believe that Dandel picked HF, that's why I thought it would be funny if it coincide with the possibilty of HF getting modkilled. But soniv is right, I haven't thought about it that mod(host)killed people get announced. Usually it comes with a blue post and reasonings and things. I just still think it's strange how HF never got ameliorations with his death post. | ||
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On July 08 2015 10:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why I think LT looks scummy GB flipped red, see previous big post on LT lol. And to address your earlier post: It's really not that absurd. You believed Cixah's claim based on the fact that it was "so sketchy it makes sense" (paraphrasing). But as soon as GB came in and did a last minute claim, you wanted to pull some major shenannies. I mentioned how content he was with plotspot's original claim and how it hasn't sat right with me. The main thing giving me pause is that I find it hard to believe LT would be that dumb. He's either stupid town or really stupid scum. plotspot, on the other hand, has done fuck all except for random speculation all game. At least I have an idea of what LT's reads are... plotspot I have no fucking clue what he thinks about other people in the game. As I've typed this out, I've decided that if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with plotspot. He's more likely scum solely based off of pure feigned activity. there ain't shit to read yo Actually, if you don't believe my claim, there's no way I'm scum here. Cixah has the most suspicions about him from everyone else. No one dared townreading him. If I was scum with GB, I'd surely done everything possible to cement Cixah's status as scum. Like, how difficult is it to cast down suspicion on his claim or his general play if I just parrot GB? But I didn't. I went the way of high resistance and hard-defend and ride with him when you guys were still wondering what is what. Why, pray tell, would I do that as scum? I voted GB in a phase where everything was still undecided and stayed with it to the end . If I was scum with GB, why would I consolidate with Cixah at a critical juncture? | ||
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On July 08 2015 20:04 Dandel Ion wrote: dunno assuming 3 mafia in a 13p game is not a slip but it seems you all are forgetting about the yung coastlord who claimed 3p. who makes NLing more retarded cuz if he's survivor or something along those lines it'd be 5-1-2 -> 4-1-2 aka MYLO for free if he's traitor like claimed we're actually in mylo today (assuming 3 other scum). which is why i would say the smartest thing to do today would be to vote him out before we go into silly scenarios where we can't afford to anymore. best case he was scum fakeclaiming to get some free coasting in and we in this. tldr policy lynch while we still can This is nice and considers 100% of the cases.^^ | ||
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my play is absolutely NAI, whatever anyone says, and I actually sided with Cixah and vote a mafia who used his (Cixah's) inexperience to get on his throat. What were you doing? Noodling with the rest? Asking wave for advice? Soniv I think you're in some serious tunnel or confirmation bias if you think I am scum when I don't even know whether I am town or scum. I have you as town. Oh is this an pocket attempt? I have Cixah as town. Oh is this a scum plot I decided on earlier with GB? I have soniv and Cixah as town. Am I parroting LT? Am I following some sort of town sentiment? I have most of my reads together, the rest of the townies are good material for interaction observation, I don't disclose them now. I disclosed my townread the day before when it was necessary to go firm with it. Lol riding chaos, lol doing nothing. All my spammy chatty posts with Dandel, BM or the HF theory were just silly night post banter if you noticed, because no real relevant info ever leaks there. | ||
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You don't consider observing and misdirection of scum some sort of a skill a townie should have, do you? For you it must be clear; I want everyone's read, I want no shenanigans, I want to know what your claim means, I want to consult wave, I want to take no responsibility if things go wrong. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: After some consideration, I have arrived at the conclusion that LT is probably not scum. For a couple reasons: -I honestly don't think LT is that stupid. -I agree that a no lynch is not a good idea today. And the fact that LT immediately stands up against a no lynch when it seems like people want him dead today shows in LT's favor. However, I have also reaffirmed my thoughts that plotspot is very likely scum. Why would you do that as scum? Because then you could make this very simple post in your own defense and hope you'd be done with it. But the fact of the matter is that you made a very sketchy claim D1 and you've done absolutely nothing of value since. Like, I don't even know if you have any reads on anyone. All you've done is ride along with the chaos. ##vote plotspot Also, I'm generally not someone who does a lot of set up speculation (mostly cuz I'm not sure what a "balanced" comp would be in any given game), but I want to throw in my two cents. If scum got an extra KP in GB's nuke, wouldn't town also get an extra KP somewhere? Watcher, tracker, and martyr seem like fairly weak town roles (unless I'm misunderstanding their strength) - I would kind of expect town to have extra KP somewhere. Like do you really believe I planned it all out up to this point? So that I copy-pasted this defense (which could be expressed in half the words) and be done with it? I do everything can I to get GB lynched, so that I am here telling you all this, instead of getting the lynch on Cixah and go "oh I thought he was scum, awww that's such a pity, but his tracker claim was so unbelievable, you guys agreed, right?" Like please please pretty please, consider some scum outside of me or LT, that would really help. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24343783 Don't need to read it, it was just his friggen fantasy. Really, if you want to go down that road, please be my guess. I can just assure you, it's not worth it, you won't find anything down there, just trust me. If I am scum in this game it's purely based on percentages and statistics. I am not some scum masterminder here. | ||
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On July 09 2015 02:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: The glaring flaw in your thought process is that I don't believe your claim. I'm not saying you had a post at the ready to copy-paste for defense. I'm saying that it is not hard for me to imagine that you, as a scum player, had the foresight to think "hmm, if I'm questioned about this, I can defend my actions with this information". You keep mentioning people having things prepared in scum QT or elsewhere to copy paste at the ready. As far as I'm aware, this isn't even something a townie would think about. What's hilarious is that your buddy GB claimed waaaaaaaaaay later. You're right, you voted GB; but to say that you did everything you could to get him lynched is beyond laughable. It's called a bus, and we even discussed it earlier in the thread - it's not that uncommon. LT tried to get some shenannies onto Cixah after the GB claim, but it picked up 0 steam, there was no real opportunity for you to try and save GB after the 6ah claim. I'm happy where my vote is. But fine, I'll humor you. You said you have me and Cixah as town. Who are your scumreads? Also, Asmo, you've been almost as quiet as your Librarians. yea that is indeed funny^^. I gave instructions to GB without knowing it.^^ I did everything I could. I monitored the process, he claimed cop, I even denied it. You even asked about what game I was referring to, I even ask why GB didn't check on me, when I had the ???. Lol don't tell me you couldn't have been swayed anyway. But just as I could say anything now, so can you. So you totally believe that while you think I planned it all out, that I wasn't able to save GB, even If I wanted to, so I bussed him as early as possible to get the credit? So you basically say nothing could have prevented GB from being lynched, as soon as Cixah claimed? And then for some reason I rode the chaos down to lynching my own partner? What chaos? Didn't you just say GB was doomed anyway? You either believe there was chaos and confusion or you don't, and if you believe there was chaos and confusion, you simply must believe that GB was still rescuable, and I as his partner refused to do it, even when two people believed him and actually jumped on Cixah. Really? And no I'm not giving out my scumread at this time, same reason I don't give out my townreads besides you two. | ||
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On July 09 2015 01:06 plotspot wrote: "oh fuck did you see that?, he is partly responsible for why GB got lynched, but hey let's not kill him, we nuke wave first, then shoot VE, who was scumreading and voting for him, on the next day we make up some reasons to push him and gauge town's sentiment, soniv is suspicious of him, we got him on our side, we want to lynch this guy not shoot him, but let's not mention VE scumreading him yet, we bring that towards the EoD, we just make up why VE as a watcher could prove he is scum, or just use his interaction with VE to prove he is scum having removed VE" here soniv, just do it like this. Imagine me, GB and another person sitting in the scum QT, discussing the events before and after Cixah's claim. I'm sure you're in the fire for it now. Give it your best, imagine the craziest scenario. You can do it. Creativity makes happy.^^ | ||
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On July 09 2015 03:42 ComaDose wrote: so 8 left? we assume 2 mafia left? (jinxfacenotaslip) even if we lynch wrong tonight its 4-2 for town? why would we nolynch? Theoretically it reduces the next day to 3-2, and the chance of hitting mafia is bigger. Practically in the games I played and watched so far, there is no no-lynch. A person brings it up, people hmm hmm about it for a while, but it never gets done. Usually the person suggesting it is scumread for not trying to find scum and stall the game needlessly or bring up this discussion to distract from the actual scum hunt. | ||
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the same argument applies though, a 5-2 is a better chance than 6-2, but a 3-2 to 4-2 is obviously better than 5-2 to 6-2. The thing is if you no-lynch today you will most likely have 5-2 and then 3-2 if you no-lynch the 6-2 day and mislynch the 5-2 day. It is theoretically better than a day of 6-2 and 4-2 or even a day of 6-2 and 3-2 (if you no lynch the 4-2 day) In summary, theoretically: 5-2 and 3-2 > 6-2 and 3-2 > 6-2 and 4-2 | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The Reindeer: Carla has called you several times. You said you were busy with work. She doesn't buy it. On your way back you want to buy her some flowers. She likes the red ones, you recall. You surprise her with some roses... oh... just to find her with another girl... In your bed... You run out of the house. Carla dashes after you. "Where are you going?" "I think left the lights on in my bureau". You still haven't checked out your pm box. You have no idea what your role is. It could be town, it could be mafia, it could be 3rd party. You are not afraid of getting modkilled, when inventing a role. I'm going to sleep now. | ||
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Calm down, we still got enough time left. Let's start with my townreads. ComaDose and BM. Not sure why the irony wasn't apparent? Maybe forum posts are really bad for it. My apologies. | ||
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If I was mafia in this, then it's actually better you find my remaining partner, and when you see no NK, there you go. Game won. If I was mafia you're actually playing with an additional townie, who really tries his best to find scum here. And I did read Cixah correctly and I did read GB correctly. But ok, if the confusion is more than you can handle, I can understand why you would want me out. I always thought people who play this game likes to be confused and surprised.^^ | ||
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The chance was there for me and Coma to be scumpartners, but unlikely given that I don't even know my role and I read Coma town. So the only ones who knew that this game was going to continue would be scum themselves, and jcarlsoniv is kinda late to this reaction test, especially given that he was around at that time. LT and Dandel with good reaction to what an unsuspecting townie would do, Asmodeus a bit late too. Cixah didn't even vote me thinking the game is over. LOL like there is still a 5% chance that some mod will come here and end this game, BUT if this game here continues, it means that me and Coma cannot be scum together. One of us has to be town or even both. Still not believe what I say? Then you should vote me already, I'm staying with soniv. I think soniv knew that the game would go on. ##VOTE:jcarlsoniv | ||
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If I was lying why didn't you guys pointed it out in the beginning? Most of you were sure as hell that the game would be over, even some spectator came here to post. Of course only scum would not believe the game would be over, that's just the point I'm trying to make. I think it's there in the reactions. Even if I was scum, maybe it would help you guys figure out the rest. Oh yeah, here is the deal: at 15min before EoD I will finally check out my pm. If I am scum I will tell you. We can have some nice little scum-town talk maybe and wonder how I actually bus GB without knowing it. Then there is only one mafia left. In my opinion it will be difficult for you to figure it out. Did he bus me? when did he bus me? I have ask myself that question and I can't figure it out. Or I tell you I am town and you guys can think a bit whether you want to switch. It will be fun. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:24 ComaDose wrote: like did you just admit you tried to sabotage the game? No I didn't try to sabotage the game. You were BANNED. And I really tried to CONCEDE. I walk you through my thought process: *plots doesn't know his role, he hasn't checked his pm, no one believes him and he is most likely gonna get lynched. Since he doesn't know his role, he could be mafia. *Comadose is banned for who knows how long. Comadose could be mafia. *in the off-chance case plots and Comadose are both mafia, ending the game right now would be the best, plots TRIES TO CONCEDE IN THE DARK *nice side effect: if game does not end, comadose and plots cannot be both mafia, plus reactions from other mafia. | ||
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That was part of the CONCEDE IN THE DARK. Notice that I also had to call myself scum, if even I haven't checked my pm. How stupid would that concede look like if I posted: "I might be scum here. Coma might be scum here. I'd like to concede in the case that we are both scum, because it looks like were both gonna die today (coma due to modkill because of a no-vote and me due to lynch)" I'm pretty sure that's not going to work in the off-chance that we were both scum. I had to assume it and put it forward as if I already knew we were both scum. There was the chance that the game ended right there. | ||
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- early preparation to be suspicious of my claim, time and time again bringing it up to then finally be consistent with it and use it as one of the reasons to scumread me by assuring not to believe in my claim - townread early by GB, - scumreads me for doing nothing and riding with the chaos in the beginning, when I actually gave my reads - later switches to the scenario that I bussed GB as early as possible to gain town credit, and to make it believable claiming that GB was doomed as soon as Cixah claimed - N2, faking sort of impatience towards my behavior as preparation for D3 - D3, fake waffling between me and LT, sees Dandel policy-voting me, jumps on the boat claiming to have “thought it out”, but conveniently didn’t examine why a scum!LT could still do this after LT submitted his reasons. Funny thing is I offered a similar perspective why I can’t be scum bussing GB, but soniv argues that I could do it and then I used the defense I posted. Nice double standard. He wasn’t really interested in scumreading LT at all. Just fakes it in the beginning to later point out why LT is actually town for doing it. - soniv and LT were there trying to save GB, don’t be fooled. It’s impossible GB would pull something like that with no possible support. Reread the interaction from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24524548 Soniv and LT totally fake and reeking of scum. LT pretending to be in agony:”aww dammit, fine, votes Cixah, WE’RE DOING THIS NOW, arggghh.. argg” Soniv suddenly saying, no we don’t shenanny, after I firmly answered about her question regarding GB’s last game, that he is unlikely to be cop here. - LT the whole friggin game is about asking questions, thinking loud, pondering, faking that he consider things, blah blah. I already saw it from a mile that his vote would be on me, while he still considers BM and pretends to “weigh” things up. - Both LT and soniv declare BM’s no-lynch idea as stupid and LT even scumread BM. He fakes blowing up and calls BM’s idea “retarded shit”. I later even explained to Coma why it’s not “retarded shit” by detailing things out. I never see them mentioning it again or counter-discuss it with me. - LT states in one of his posts, he is fine with lynching asmo, plotspot, coma and BM, basically spewing 4 townies. - Soniv states that BM and possibly Asmo are good contenders as my scumpartner. - Soniv setting up to scum-read Dandel by starting to “raise concerns”, which is just another ploy to be consistent later, don’t be surprised if they mention him killing HF as a reason later - LT replies with “well if that’s the case, ggwp” to my conceding - LT postering for when I find out I am town - after I die don’t let them bla bla you into oblivion. Scum pair right there. Read their filter for more examples. If you see they live through the night, they will certainly start to come at BM the next day, possibly Coma or Asmo, after having shot Dandel or Cixah. | ||
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On July 13 2015 10:17 ComaDose wrote: i dont think i can ever trust soniv again and this really mixes up my relationship with the OT crew lol, I hope you're not serious.^^ I love Dandel though. Very polite about his pushes. D3 was fucking awesome. Can't believe no one believed I played this in the dark until 15 min EoD. Don't be too hard on yourself, though I can always recommend to mix in a bit of intuition in any case. But intuition could be regarded as sort of cheating, as it denies sometimes that the mechanically superior player is winning. Or maybe not, because the task is gonna be difficult enough to translate it (intuition) into a concept that is able to convince other townies too.^^ | ||
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