[T][I]OT vs The Mods Mafia

On July 03 2015 00:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As no one trusts the obvious townie, I could settle for you then.

On July 03 2015 01:34 Cixah wrote:
I still like asmo for mayor but Plot could be maybe a legit choice.

My reads on soniv still stand, he's pretty much the only person I can see as hard town atm, Wave is trying to make more sense of it though I do wish he would reconsider on me as I only have town's best interest. I do not like VE's or Mordek's posting but that's just D1 stuff from here. LT's posts have some reason to them, but still feel very alternate agenda to me. I would like to here more from him in regards to who the BEST lynch today might be, rather than who mayor should be.

Time for work, I'll be reading but probs not posting too much till I get home or after 6pm my time.

On July 03 2015 02:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Anyways, I've decided. I'm putting Wave in OT Mafia, Episode I, category for now until he sobers up.

Also Soniv, I would probably peg you town, but you're questioning my obvious townie status. How dare you question my inane, jocular statement.

As for GB, I've played a few mafia games with him, and I'm fairly certain I know how to read him.

On July 02 2015 11:22 Cixah wrote:
Can't give power to people who don't want it, won't give power to people who do want it. This is worse than anything else we could have discussed in our d1.

All euros read scum to me right now. Soniv is town, wave might be town. Let's party friends we've got so much more time to play games today!

Let use hear from so euros tho. Dandel. What is your favorite type of shower and is it the one you use to wipe all the scum off your face?

On July 03 2015 03:06 Lord Tolkien wrote:
You're basically telling us we shouldn't be focusing on the two most notable events that have occurred early D1. In other words, you're telling us not to try and discuss and gauge reactions on them. I partially agree with you that the mayor role isn't that important, but still.

wat

Do you want to go back to kill la kill and jinx icon spam.

Like, saying
would be true IF THIS WAS D2 OR LATE D1, but we literally have bupkis to go on without these two things right now, and we don't really need a complete derail of the discussion.

On July 03 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Right now I vote the mayor lynch Holyflare. He's too quiet and honestly? I've played with scum!HF as both town and scum and he's a goddamn pain to figure out (if he's scum).

On July 03 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Right now I vote the mayor lynch Holyflare. He's too quiet and honestly? I've played with scum!HF as both town and scum and he's a goddamn pain to figure out (if he's scum).

On July 04 2015 01:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
aka, while I accept that GB has valid reasons for not voting for pol, I have no clue why he wants to make Wave mayor.

On July 04 2015 01:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Just because you think he's town doesn't mean he's mayor material.

On July 04 2015 01:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Just because you think he's town doesn't mean he's mayor material.

On July 04 2015 01:49 ComaDose wrote:

I think this is a good point. If the one who is lynched flips mod, we can be reasonably sure that the mayor was not mod. If they flip town well... people make mistakes but based off of how many people agree with the decision it could still be telling.
if we choose someone who doesnt know their alignment then they could pick mod but then still end up being mod themselves.

On July 04 2015 02:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:

I said it was interesting, not plausible or believable.

On July 04 2015 01:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Fair enough. It's still disconcerting.


There are two things in mafia I've learned not to trust. Medic claims and juicy dads.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468739-tllolotgdtm



Either 6ah or Asmo, for obvious reasons. I'm not picky. Maybe coma, but the flip is less informative. I'll have to check his filter again. Too many null reads right now because everyone's memeing so hard and I'm generally a terrible D1er.

Now then, who would you lynch.

On July 04 2015 02:11 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Was mostly a disjointed thought after waking up.

I was considering how much VE deserved a lynch (the interesting relationship being something that made me want to lynch him more). If you join that with the post I made previously, it makes sense.

On July 03 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Right now I vote the mayor lynch Holyflare. He's too quiet and honestly? I've played with scum!HF as both town and scum and he's a goddamn pain to figure out (if he's scum).

On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.

Still,


I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.

Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.

Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.


You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).


pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.

This is the section which I really don't like.



Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.

Also,
#vote: Dandel Ion
Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.

My order of preference:
Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else

On July 04 2015 04:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:

In response to each.

1) Asmo wasn't scum in the last OT mafia, bro.
2) See above.
3) I do agree, but the lurkers are either 1) mordek and on vaca apparently, 2) Holyflare and Bill Murray, who are experienced at mafia (I can only assume with BM since I've never played with him), and are not viable D1 lynches (because you can generally assume if they live long enough, they're scum).

You're not a guaranteed kill, because Dandel wants to lynch VE (which...I'm iffy for flip info reasons but I can totally get behind), and I'm sure some people are thinking of lynching me D1 as usual, but eh. Try to not tunnel on Asmo.

What are your reads outside of Asmo?

On July 04 2015 04:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Explanation for the bolded why


To be honest, the increasing lack of pushback on a 6ah lynch up until dandel posted his asmo case, with everyone just ambling towards it, is very fishy.

On July 04 2015 04:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Explanation for the bolded why


To be honest, the increasing lack of pushback on a 6ah lynch up until dandel posted his asmo case, with everyone just ambling towards it, is very fishy.

On July 04 2015 04:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:

It indicates one of two things.

1) easy lynch on town that scum is content on
2) + Show Spoiler +

Given how early the case on 6ah started to form, and, let's be honest, the fact that the game was suppose to be "not-tryhard", I doubt scum-team would bus 6ah this early.

Also, I do buy dandel's reasoning on asmo, though keeping in mind that asmo is also nub. Then again, he is Austrian, so this may lead to World War Two all over again if we elect him mayor. Still, my strongest town read.

On July 04 2015 04:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
If Coma/6ah are actually scum team, then the mods is shit at balancing. And I will laugh.

On July 03 2015 04:05 Cixah wrote:
I would also like to know what ogi you have on me VE because I know with 100% certainty I haven't spoken to anyone about this game at all out side of this thread. Only my second game of mafia ever and both of rolled town so I'm not exactly sure how you can claim I'm mafia when that's a 100% falsehood.

On July 04 2015 06:14 Lord Tolkien wrote:
reading through his filter, he's been on cruise control this entire game. Being too nice and all, and his opinions are bland. Oh and trying to pick a fight with a bear, despite the obvious townie things he's doing. Like being the first one to go against the plotspot for mayor train which I was leading.

Also his main objection to me is that I say that I'm confirmed town for shitz and gigglez.


If we're going yolo, I'm not opposed to Sonib. I'd rather see other people go down, but eh.

On July 04 2015 06:46 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I already did. His first sentence was:
wat, you shouldn't have OGI

His second was:
anyways, your OGI is wrong

I mean...maybe? Like, if he removed his first sentence it would be stronger and and a more townie response I guess, but I find it a stretch.

Also that "wave is scum" logic post. Unless that post was sarcastic.

Would not mind seeing 6ah die but eh.

On July 04 2015 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:

In which case. I'm reversing my opinion of you.

On July 04 2015 10:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Main problem with the lynch is it leaves town with absolutely buttfuck all.

On July 05 2015 22:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
So...who would actually be afraid of me considering most people think I'm shit after last game?

Probably people who weren't in the last game

I'd go GB
Maybe even over 6ah today

On July 04 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't care. I think you're town and you've got a scumread on Cixah too

On July 06 2015 03:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I'm going to assume you didn't catch up yet GlowingBear but pls. I already listed all the reasons why mordek probably saved wave.

I'm pretty much sold on this as well, unless you give me something better to go on.

For now.

#vote: GlowingBear

On July 06 2015 03:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:
if omgus is the best you have GB, my meta read is pretty clear here.

On July 06 2015 03:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:


YES JOIN ME

I assume this means it's a meta read? What are your thoughts on LT if/when the bear flips red

On July 06 2015 03:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:

I'm still loling over the fact you

1) doubt obvious town
2) think I would be scumteam with GB given our interactions

If we were scumteam we would have no interactions whatsoever.

On July 06 2015 03:45 Lord Tolkien wrote:

"Afraid of Wave's play"

Do tell.


Mordek explicitly breadcrumbed he was defending a canadian at night. Your options are coma (lol) and wave. Assume mordek isn't braindead: which of the two would you think he'd defend? Yeah. So unless you believe he defended coma, he defended wave.

THEREFORE, either scum shot wave or mordek. Again, shooting the afker who's on vacation? lol. It gives less room for scum to hide, and mordek wasn't blue claiming if you read last OT mafia. The only ones who can possibly read that as blue claim are people who weren't in last OT mafia.

On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:

I have always been, and will continue to be, an anti-mod activist + Show Spoiler +

Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.

Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.

The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.

One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.

If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.

And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings:
##Vote plotspot
because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod.
also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.

On July 04 2015 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
flipping for information lol

okay we only have one option left to salvage this
PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT
##Vote Holyflare

On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.

Still,


I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.

Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.

Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.


You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).


pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.

This is the section which I really don't like.



Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.

Also,
#vote: Dandel Ion
Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.

My order of preference:
Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else

On July 06 2015 09:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:



It's fairly obvious why Holyflare got lynched. He literally did nothing but post memes, and pretty much everyone active (COUGH COUGH) in town was ok with it.

As some point, everyone sobered up. HF...did not, until near the very end, besides point out BM's vote. He brought it on himself, especially since his other mafia game ended before EoD.


You don't read his posts do you.

Between the memes and drunkenness (as well as during), he was making good insights and passing my reaction tests. Given he didn't lynch scum, I'm somewhat less enthused but he's certainly not scummy because he failed a D1 lynch.

On July 06 2015 11:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The fact that everyone on my shit list (you included) is voting for him, bar coma, speaks volumes, really.

Also his posts after his disaster beginning of D2 series is...better.

On July 07 2015 07:28 Cixah wrote:
2nd game of mafia on forums and its the 2nd time scum have jumped on me from day 1 after the alagations of wave. I think wave is town this game, but i do not think GB, Lt, or asmo are.

Unfortunately im at work and can't dig into their posts right now.

On July 07 2015 07:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:


If Mordek was protecting Cixah, he would probably post posted something vaguely related to Texas.

On July 07 2015 07:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
For the record GB, your Scum-Team consists of:

Probable (newb) tracker, Nearly confirmed (dumb) town, Someone who I find vaguely scummy


So bad the reads. Urgh,

On July 07 2015 10:27 Cixah wrote:



This post basically confirms bill as town.

On July 07 2015 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I wouldn't say that at all. It's not uncommon for scum to name one teammate to cause confusion.

On July 07 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
The very thought that GB flipping scum implicates me is hilarious.

On July 08 2015 12:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
We have 8 players and "probably" 2 mods left. We have 1 mislynch oppotunity+1 player right now.

He's suggesting we wait one day so we're down to 7, which makes a lynch "easier" statistically, and then we get 1 mislynch opportunity. 1 Mislynch means we go to 5 players, which is then LYLO (lynch correctly or lose).



I think it's fucking stupid but hey.

On July 08 2015 13:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Because this case on me is getting stupider by the hour.

On July 08 2015 13:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Because this case on me is getting stupider by the hour.

On July 10 2015 10:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Especially since his EoD post was fucking useless.

"oh look, sonib and LT are scum team together"

the most idiotic conclusion ever

On July 10 2015 11:11 Lord Tolkien wrote:


Now then, scum!Soniv is possible and something I'm considering, but not for any of the reasons he's listed; Sonib was soft-pushing GB all of D1 and GB ended up being vengeful. I've been townreading him for D1 pushing for a GB wagon,

On July 10 2015 13:11 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Actually, you know what, I'm just going to ignore Cixah for the rest of the night and possibly the rest of D4. I see no point in raising my blood pressure over this shit.

I have alot of re-evaluating to do tonight.