[T][I]OT vs The Mods Mafia

On June 15 2015 08:55 rsoultin wrote:
/shadow hf if i can ^^

On July 02 2015 10:18 Cixah wrote:
This is a weird day post. But I wana be the mayor of the new thread. That sounds super cool.

On July 02 2015 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
GB your link on the front page doesn't work. You scum?

On July 02 2015 10:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
? it does work
asmo on the other hand is in all caps so he obviously is an eredar lord of the burning legion
serial arsonist confirmed

On July 02 2015 10:48 Cixah wrote:
This thread can only end with freedom, therefore we can't vote for any euros or canadas as mayor of our thread. I like among so fat, but I'm not voting for any euros for mayor.

On July 02 2015 11:22 Cixah wrote:
Can't give power to people who don't want it, won't give power to people who do want it. This is worse than anything else we could have discussed in our d1.

All euros read scum to me right now. Soniv is town, wave might be town. Let's party friends we've got so much more time to play games today!

Let use hear from so euros tho. Dandel. What is your favorite type of shower and is it the one you use to wipe all the scum off your face?

On July 02 2015 15:24 Cixah wrote:


Some people sleep bro,

As for my town reads.

Soniv is actually voting of the thing I like and I am town so it would make sense that he is also town. Wave is being wave, but he also hasn't really contributed anything to town yet. Perhaps he's just getting ready to throw again.

On July 02 2015 20:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:


That seems a bit of a leap to me at this stage. Maybe I just don't have as much experience playing with BM as you do. I mean, it's possible, but BM isn't really pushing an agenda (yet).

I would find it more likely that Asmo is scum over BM being scum (although I guess it's possible they're in cahoots, I have no reason to believe that yet). Asmo's dipping and ducking out of the limelight. An inexperienced (as he's mentioned) scum would want to avoid such a role in the thread and just try to lie low instead.



His thought here isn't entirely without merit. So if he's town, it could be BM starting a scum agenda, but I find it less likely at this point.

But what about you, GB. Fine, you don't want Asmo mayor, who do you want mayor? (I want everyone's opinions, but might as well point the question at you since I'm talking to you.)

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 02 2015 22:53 ComaDose wrote:

honestly this has been the best post in this thread so far. basedfacenospace

Yesterday I was celebrating Canada Day all day followed by watching fireworks followed by passing out from drinking beer in the sun all day. So hi fellow townies!

Asmo has some concerning prejudices that make me wonder if he would really represent the people very well.

Someone like wave has lots of time now and was really active in the last thread and probably will be here so he could handle the responsibilities of mayor. but he fucked up in the last game where he took on a kind of leadership role if i recall correctly so do we really want him to lead us?

That was the only other game of forum mafia I have played so I am not TOO clear on the rules. I think in that game we had a list of the roles tho right? I feel like that would help me understand better.

No one gets a free pass even if they are danklordwolflions it will be strange if some of the classic posters from the original thread were actually undercover mods trying to suppress us all along!

On July 03 2015 02:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:


=D

I don't have anything pushing me hard to one side or the other at this point, but a few leanings I do have.

Cixah - I agree with your general points. Buddying up to me but being more scrupulous on you seems odd. It's also a natural thing to do for peeps from OT - cozy up to the OTers who have mafia experience. He does seem to want to keep shedding doubt on your reads. Leaning scum for zombie.

Asmo - leaning scum, but it's a bit of a toss up. Mostly just gut feeling off of his reaction to mayor nomination.

BM - leaning town, but he's super quiet. I'm assuming he's being the silent observer and he'll drop mad bombs soon.

LT - honestly leaning town, but I hate when people declare that they're just obvious townie. It always gives me pause.

Several players have very low content thus far, so I'm remaining null there. Holyflare has also disappeared.

GB - I hate when games start with a post like this:



Horridly WIFOM. Also:



You said you want to lunch peeps GB, so who do you want to lunch? I'll hold you to the same standard I held Wave - don't complain about the direction of the thread, give us some feedback.

On July 03 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Right now I vote the mayor lynch Holyflare. He's too quiet and honestly? I've played with scum!HF as both town and scum and he's a goddamn pain to figure out (if he's scum).

On July 03 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm done catching up. This is where I am at the moment


Wave (posting constantly, reads seems original, posts are fluid, scum hunting, similar reads to mine)
Soniv (active, consistent posts, looks like trying to solve the game and to discover people's alignment)


Cixah (bad opening, forced posts, unreasoned townreads, bad reasoning to vote Asmodeus as mayor)
Coma (big fluff, no contribution yet)

Notes: Lord Tolkien was looking slightly townie until that HF thing. Keep an eye on him.
HF did nothing in the game until now. Needs to shape up or he is scum.
BM casted a bad vote on Asmodeus. If he is scum, so is Asmodeus (UNFLIPPED ASSOCIATION)

On July 03 2015 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:


You keep saying that BM is pushing a scum agenda, but as far as I can tell, BM isn't pushing any agenda. He hasn't really done much at all, so I'm curious why you're already making the leap to assume that they're working together.



Doing his darndest Coma impression.

As entertaining as it is, it's cluttering things up. I know to expect shit posting from you D1 Dandel, but come on.

On July 03 2015 06:57 Cixah wrote:
Forum mafia is a silly game, no way to catch peoples emotions. Lynching me will hurt town when I flip. 100% mislynch but go ahead, this game is already a shitstorm.

Still haven't heard anything non-meme related from HF this game. You ain't trump play games bro.

On July 04 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am inherently untrustworthy of you because of this you know, GB.

Got them chills that some scum are content to call me shit for last game and others will be planning on kissing my ass just to separate themselves.

On July 04 2015 01:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
aka, while I accept that GB has valid reasons for not voting for pol, I have no clue why he wants to make Wave mayor.

On July 04 2015 01:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Just because you think he's town doesn't mean he's mayor material.

On July 06 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

Is it?

On July 06 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah you're defs scum. I remember this flailing.
##vote: GlowingBear

On July 06 2015 03:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:


YES JOIN ME

I assume this means it's a meta read? What are your thoughts on LT if/when the bear flips red

On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:

I have always been, and will continue to be, an anti-mod activist + Show Spoiler +

Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.

Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.

The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.

One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.

If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.

And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings:
##Vote plotspot
because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod.
also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.

On July 04 2015 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
flipping for information lol

okay we only have one option left to salvage this
PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT
##Vote Holyflare

On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.

Still,


I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.

Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.

Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.


You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).


pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.

This is the section which I really don't like.



Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.

Also,
#vote: Dandel Ion
Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.

My order of preference:
Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else

On July 04 2015 03:26 AsmodeusXI wrote:
My post definitely wasn't just "he's coming for me oh noez" but "he started completely on the me train with BM's randomness and then flipped ENTIRELY as people found a vote for me less appealing". That's what's weird to me. BM weirds me out too but Cixah's seems more sinister.

If I DID get mayor, he'd be my lynch atm. I just don't have a better candidate, especially since everyone seems way more aboard the dank memes team than I am. If that's how the town wants to play, okay, I just don't like the style.

If you genuinely think Dandel's the best choice, I want to hear why. I haven't heard a reason beyond vague assertions that his trolling is somehow a town play.

On July 04 2015 03:58 Cixah wrote:
Reasons why you shouldn't lynch me.

1) In 100% games of mafia I have rolled town, and in 100% of games I have played with Asmo he has been Mafia.
2) Asmo's play is very similar to his previous game mafia play. Lots of poking and deflecting rather than saying anything that hasn't been echo'd or otherwise overly town.
3) While a non tryhard game, there are people who have contributed nothing to the game at all other than dank memes and were still looking to not lynch them? How is that even cool yo.

On July 06 2015 09:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
real talk are you just going after the next towniest person in me because you finally noticed wave is legit confirmed town?

i am unsure how smart that strategy is

On July 06 2015 09:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:



It's fairly obvious why Holyflare got lynched. He literally did nothing but post memes, and pretty much everyone active (COUGH COUGH) in town was ok with it.

As some point, everyone sobered up. HF...did not, until near the very end, besides point out BM's vote. He brought it on himself, especially since his other mafia game ended before EoD.


You don't read his posts do you.

Between the memes and drunkenness (as well as during), he was making good insights and passing my reaction tests. Given he didn't lynch scum, I'm somewhat less enthused but he's certainly not scummy because he failed a D1 lynch.

On July 06 2015 10:24 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Mostly sheer annoyance. Even if you aren't strong town.

Dandel was being serious at times. HF was not, despite multiple people asking him to do something relevant. He explained his reasoning for not lynching 6ah or Asmo, who were the alternate lynch candidates at the time (and I should note that this is their second game of mafia, and I believe the same for Coma as well, and they're in "I don't know what I'm doing" mode). Newbie defense is piss-poor, but you should consider their posts in that light to understand why.



1) You still don't know how to read me. I upped you to a town lean after you were willing to fite me over wav. Then you AFK at EoD, and you come back D2 super scummy (all muh meta scum tells blare: inactive/lurking GB usually=scum, super-defensive GB=scum).

2) I would also be fine lynching Bill, actually, so hrm. You. Hrm.

On July 06 2015 10:35 Cixah wrote:
##vote glowing bear

This still doesn't sit right and feels weird. Glowingbears defense reads flimsy to me. They're are lots of alagations against him but he flips on the same paragraph specifically leaving things brought against him open. I will vote like this for now and hope to be surprised tomorrow.

On July 06 2015 11:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, trying to defend yourself with 'what I would do as mafia' is completely useless.
Even if I disregard night kill, I didn't like you yesterday, I just didn't look into things that much, and watching you just now attempt to do things because you're under pressure when you could have been doing similar things yesterday when you were coasting cements it for me.

On July 06 2015 12:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I'm having a tough time catching up, but I want to throw out something that's bothering me.

I still don't know what BillMurray's game is. So far, it's silently lurking from the shadows, throwing my name around randomly, and then jumping on the GB bandwagon. That's weird as shit and, unless I'm much mistaken (and oh shit have I been mistaken before), doesn't read as town.

I want to know what's up. Let's see if I can get any pressure on this since this bus appears to be slowing down.

##Unvote
##Vote BillMurray

On July 02 2015 15:24 Cixah wrote:


Some people sleep bro,

As for my town reads.

Soniv is actually voting of the thing I like and I am town so it would make sense that he is also town. Wave is being wave, but he also hasn't really contributed anything to town yet. Perhaps he's just getting ready to throw again.

On July 03 2015 05:12 Cixah wrote:
My initial push for asmo was simply to have something start the game. I have no intentions of voting asmo for mayor. I don't care about who is mayor, i do care about who they intend to lynch. Once more of that information is availible i will be able to determine my vote today.

On July 03 2015 06:57 Cixah wrote:
Forum mafia is a silly game, no way to catch peoples emotions. Lynching me will hurt town when I flip. 100% mislynch but go ahead, this game is already a shitstorm.

Still haven't heard anything non-meme related from HF this game. You ain't trump play games bro.

On July 04 2015 03:58 Cixah wrote:
Reasons why you shouldn't lynch me.

1) In 100% games of mafia I have rolled town, and in 100% of games I have played with Asmo he has been Mafia.
2) Asmo's play is very similar to his previous game mafia play. Lots of poking and deflecting rather than saying anything that hasn't been echo'd or otherwise overly town.
3) While a non tryhard game, there are people who have contributed nothing to the game at all other than dank memes and were still looking to not lynch them? How is that even cool yo.

On July 06 2015 03:57 Cixah wrote:
Hmm I have reading to do, I'm hesitant to just jump on the GB train just yet. Even if what you guys say makes sense, it is a bit too easy. Gimme a few minutes and I'll make my post. Something doesn't sit right here.

On July 06 2015 06:04 Cixah wrote:


Still not a mafia hit VE. You're post record is also not exactly what I would consider the least bit good at all either. You should look at other players like GB or asmo IMO.

On July 06 2015 10:35 Cixah wrote:
##vote glowing bear

This still doesn't sit right and feels weird. Glowingbears defense reads flimsy to me. They're are lots of alagations against him but he flips on the same paragraph specifically leaving things brought against him open. I will vote like this for now and hope to be surprised tomorrow.

On July 07 2015 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry joebro, not switching to cixah today. I'll reevaluate him tomorrow.

In other news I learned a new combo I wanna try on you later
:D

On July 07 2015 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well, me and a bunch of other people

On July 07 2015 04:32 Bill Murray wrote:
I still don't mind to lynch GB though so ill probably keep my vote there because of how he will play towards me the longer he lives as either alignment due to a grudge from the last time we played together which is impairing his judgment

On July 07 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why are you pleading to me a) if apparently you're not even being lynched currently
b) as if I have sole control over your lynch or as if I have been pushing it particularly hard?

On July 07 2015 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

I did.
The points are there, the case is fine, but it doesn't convince me.

On July 07 2015 05:41 plotspot wrote:
Lol, what's our quasi-confirmed townie doing here^^. Hey GB any other scumreads you have besides Cixah?

On July 07 2015 05:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

lol what doesn't make sense about that?

SO many straws, but you just can't grasp them unfortunately.

On July 07 2015 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:

Also I'd like to make note here that he is questioning the claim using a mafia mindset.
Who is thinking about scum delivering KP? Scum is.

In my last game I blundered as scum when Oats (fake)claimed cop by immediately attacking how his checks were terrible rather than the veracity of the claim itself.

My vote is absolutely cemented today.
Once again you guys can do what you like but I don't really have more to say on the matter. I choose to believe cixah's claim and until I see a flip one way or another I have no reason to believe otherwise.

On July 07 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

Go ahead and vote me then.
You're wasting your time here, go ahead and convince people to vote plot along with VE if you want to save yourself maybe.

On July 07 2015 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'd like to state for the record that town Wave can absolutely not put 2 and 2 together when he thinks he's right about something.

On July 07 2015 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

Like I know you aren't liking Wave right now and that's coloring your perspective, but consider that the (flipped) martyr HARD crumbed saving Wave. I mean, sure, plays or whatever. But to think that he like...FALSE crumbed or something is pretty fucking retarded if you consider that IF his role works properly then he basically gives town FALSE information with the crumb....it doesn't make sense to consider that he didn't at least protect a Canadian, and Wave is pretty much the de facto Canadian around here no matter who else is from Canada.

Just take a step back if you're town, that's all I'm asking.

On July 07 2015 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I said - maybe between D1 and D2 he became "certain" of you and is just doing his tunnel-Wave thing. I don't know, but I agree that his D2 play has been worse than his D1 play.

On July 07 2015 03:45 GlowingBear wrote:
.:Case on Cixah:.

1) Weird early town reads over weak reasoning



He felt Soniv was town because Soniv thought Asmodeus was a good mayor vote because Asmodeus wasn't trying to get votes, and wave was being wave. Why does that makes these guys town? It just felt like he was trying to forge reads to appear like he was contributing

It's also a weak weak way to try and cast more votes on Asmodeus, who hasn't done anything to be firmly called town.

2) Says he wants to scum hunt in legit ways. Does nothing regarding scum hunting



If he cares for the lynch, he needs to care for who is getting elected as mayor, since it directly influences the lynch. Also, if he is actually concerned about lynching scum, where are his pushes? Where are his scum reads? You can't find it in his filter. All he does is coasting and casting faint suspicions on almost every player in the game.

3) Defeatism on early game



The game was moving perfectly fine. Why this defeatist behaviour? Sounds like fake emotion to me, with an excuse to fuck off and not do much.

4) This post



He is basically saying the odds makes him town this game and asmo Mafia. If makes no sense and even if it made sense, why isn't he pushing asmo, then? He then try to deflect the lynch to lurkers. As I said, lurkers policy is a thing I like, but NOT when you're under pressure of being lynched. You either advocate for lurker lynch in the beginning of the game, or you don't at all.

5) Survival vote



Then deflects on me and asmo (again, without pushing ANY of is THE ENTIRE GAME)



Then finally votes me when being bandwagoned



He is Mafia.

##Vote: Cixah

On July 07 2015 07:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
For the record GB, your Scum-Team consists of:

Probable (newb) tracker, Nearly confirmed (dumb) town, Someone who I find vaguely scummy


So bad the reads. Urgh,

On July 07 2015 09:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:


where did you crumb it?

On July 13 2015 10:36 Lord Tolkien wrote:
No. I should've been able to figure this out. It wasn't terribly difficult if I was able to pick out soniv, as tilted as I was. Should absolutely have started with the soniv train D4. Dandel still living after 1 or 2 more days (probably 2 more days since you absolutely needed to get down to 3 at LYLO)...well, it would've likely been a coma, dandel, asmo LYLO, maybe BM over Asmo, and it would be painfully obvious.

Nyeh.