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On June 17 2015 11:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:12 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 11:04 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not masons with ksc hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^ if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf or you could give a rat's ass and play the game either or i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^ for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle. read hf's filter. read mine. then say we're the same
rsoultin already knows the answer!
they're not the same cause rsoultin is scum LOL
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On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
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it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification.
thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though.
##unvote
##vote rsoultin
<3 how cute! it thinks it can lynch me (if you think that's going to prompt me to make shit up to satisfy you, think again lovely) is this supposed to be a fake strong response? I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting. So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum. -yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read"
"it's right there"
"no it's not"
"here it is"
"i think you're scum cause you quoted it"
"well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell.
bravo, what an uplifting strategy. Let's ignore a player until literally the last possible moment, when if you are wrong you fucking lose the game.
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On June 17 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
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it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification.
thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though.
##unvote
##vote rsoultin
<3 how cute! it thinks it can lynch me (if you think that's going to prompt me to make shit up to satisfy you, think again lovely) is this supposed to be a fake strong response? I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting. So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum. -yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read"
"it's right there"
"no it's not"
"here it is"
"i think you're scum cause you quoted it"
"well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks
you.
I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss?
It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm?
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On June 17 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
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is this supposed to be a fake strong response?
I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting.
So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum.
-yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read"
"it's right there"
"no it's not"
"here it is"
"i think you're scum cause you quoted it"
"well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks you. I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss? It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm? can you tell me how my reason was not a reason, wbg? i'm on the edge of my seat
a "toneread" is not a reason.
it's like saying "I think he is town because he talks like town".
What the hell does that even mean
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On June 17 2015 11:23 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 10:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
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is this supposed to be a fake strong response?
I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting.
So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum.
-yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read"
"it's right there"
"no it's not"
"here it is"
"i think you're scum cause you quoted it"
"well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. bravo, what an uplifting strategy. Let's ignore a player until literally the last possible moment, when if you are wrong you fucking lose the game. Bugs pls you said you were going to ignore half the players last game. Tell me about damdreds alignment.
I ignored them because they clearly had unimportant/bad opinions while painting themselves to me as town. In this game I would right now classify GB and Kelsier in that same group, although as in last game GB had stupid opinions and that was because he was scum so I'm a little hesitant to have any sort of positive read on GB at the moment. I think we need some more time on him to classify him as scum-dumb or town-dumb.
As for Damdred there are a few things that I noticed that were a little strange, e.g. this:
On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any  seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviouslyI also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote:
Town:
Ls
Nhm
Rsoul
Damdred
Ritoky
Town leans
Kel
Gb
Breske
This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls
On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture.
On June 17 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:24 NydusHerMain wrote:
Damdred have you gave any reasoning for any of your reads yet other than meta? You did a hell of a lot of it last game. Actually meta is a huge part of my game in the early goings as well as tone etc., Rsoultin is because she's my waifu that's acting like a pita. I've answered about ls I believe Kel is his attitude and his wanting to dig into people. Gb because of the wanting to give reads and get people involved. Rit is pure meta and I'd rather never explain You are meta+content at this point compared to last game.
but right now I don't put much weight into them because for the most part the rest of his posts have been fine. In particular his responses to Shockey appeared fairly genuine and his thought process makes sense from a town perspective, in particular his reactions to the LS post on me and his reaction to certain other things, e.g. this one here:
On June 17 2015 09:39 Damdred wrote:
Honestly Idk why people keep taking issues I have been town hunting and then lynching into Poe. Its quite effective, obviously if I haven't given a read on someone such as bugs who I don't have any familiarity with or Fred because lack of posts. Its they are null.
Getting conversation stimulated is important
Putting it out there that your strategy is a process of elimination strategy is not something that mafia would likely do because it attracts a lot of attention. When you use PoE (which I personally like myself to some degree) you end up having to do a lot of defending of your townreads. Now of course we haven't gotten to a stage of the game yet where this necessarily has mattered a ton, but simply the fact that he put himself out there as using PoE means that we can use a higher level of scrutiny to examine his reads and his reasonings. He's going to have to be more active with more players because a PoE approach requires you to identify the alignments of a lot more players than just "normal" scumhunting, where you simply pick out the "scummiest" people and townreads don't necessarily matter.
Anyway he's pretty far away from lynch consideration for me and in my sheet I have him at about 70% town.
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On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird.
So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine.
You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now.
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On June 17 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out.
For anyone reading this, take a look at the following.
Stuff like this
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Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this?
Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?"
The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
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and this
Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks you. I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss? It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm? can you tell me how my reason was not a reason, wbg? i'm on the edge of my seat a "toneread" is not a reason. it's like saying "I think he is town because he talks like town". What the hell does that even mean did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it? what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum?
let's see examples, lady.
"fluidly" is a nice adjective and all, but to me it's another bullshit word just like "tone-read". You didn't explain it because saying something is a tone read and then saying he is talking fluidly is not an indicator of alignment, despite what you may now be asserting is.
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On June 17 2015 11:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. do not make me quote all the posts from my filter giving opinions it will piss me off and make you look the fool
so instead of putting in more effort to explain yourself you're going to continue rehashing your own posts which you already made in an attempt to do what exactly?
I've already told you that I've read your filter and I've certainly demonstrated it, yet you still want to go in circles
That's so townie, man! /s
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On June 17 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
yo bugs you say you read multiple ls games to get a feel for his posts last game so why you not doing it here for this push?
most of my time so far has been occupied by either playing dota or reading/responding to posts that are happening in this game
While I like meta it falls maybe third or fourth down the list of things that are important in finding scum. Also I do intend to look at her past games, just maybe not tonight as it tends to take me quite a while and I'm probably going to go to sleep soon
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On June 17 2015 11:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
yo bugs you say you read multiple ls games to get a feel for his posts last game so why you not doing it here for this push? most of my time so far has been occupied by either playing dota or reading/responding to posts that are happening in this game While I like meta it falls maybe third or fourth down the list of things that are important in finding scum. Also I do intend to look at her past games, just maybe not tonight as it tends to take me quite a while and I'm probably going to go to sleep soon well if i say that she does posts like that in all her games does that make your entire game redundant so far?
no, because if all her games include her scum games doesn't that mean it's alignment null?
good god how do you people make these posts
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yes, thanks for giving me a filter and putting the onus on me to explain YOUR read.
that's great fucking town motivation right there.
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On June 17 2015 11:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:47 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:46 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
yo bugs you say you read multiple ls games to get a feel for his posts last game so why you not doing it here for this push? most of my time so far has been occupied by either playing dota or reading/responding to posts that are happening in this game While I like meta it falls maybe third or fourth down the list of things that are important in finding scum. Also I do intend to look at her past games, just maybe not tonight as it tends to take me quite a while and I'm probably going to go to sleep soon well if i say that she does posts like that in all her games does that make your entire game redundant so far? no, because if all her games include her scum games doesn't that mean it's alignment null? good god how do you people make these posts and if it's alignment null then your entire push is worthless? lol
No, because if you are alluding to her posting style being the same in all her games then obviously you are missing my point
my point is not that her posting style is scummy, which honestly makes no sense whatsoever and her saying that about damdred in the opposite sense is actually ironically one of the reasons I am calling her scum. This is not about tone or post style, it's about motivation. Just look at how she reacts to me pressuring her. First, she says I am not reading and regurgitates the same post I just quoted in order to "show" that I am not reading. When I push further to try to get her to explain her toneread she responds with "he's posting fluidly" which is incredibly underwhelming and not a good enough reason to read someone as town. It's not a reason at all, frankly. Townies have specific reasons for having specific reads, and this is not one of them.
Then if you look at her response just now when I asked for examples, she gives me an entire filter without doing any of the legwork herself. It's like the lowest effort a player can make, and she has failed to qualify her read with specific examples. Any townie who believes in their own meta read will go and find examples because that's what they use to qualify reads. Instead I am given an entire game thread link to mini mafia 2....
Since when is the onus on me to explain the supposed toneread that my #1 suspect has??
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On June 17 2015 11:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
yes, thanks for giving me a filter and putting the onus on me to explain YOUR read.
that's great fucking town motivation right there. ^^ i'm done with you you don't have the motivation to check your own read despite literally everyone else in the thread thinking you're full of it. even ritoky isn't willing to commit to a scumread on me you can't be assed to make reads on anyone else without being prodded multiple times, and even then only gave a read on damdred which you were ASKED FORhow's that for town motivation ^^
what??? You gave me a link to a game for DAMDRED how is that me not wanting to check a read on YOU
The bold is literally the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen anyone say in a game of mafia
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On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez.
as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now
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On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY.
since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it.
I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything.
Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise).
That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads.
Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it.
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On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format
rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format
1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later.
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town  yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude... badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something.
there's also this post:
kk
townreads at present:
fidei
damdy
breshke
gb
ls
in terms of certainty, and no, not all are strong, and no i haven't explained all of those anything else is leans
The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that?
Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2
2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere.
So for example she says this:
On June 17 2015 08:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:-rolls around the thread- hihihihi ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude... badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP what does that even mean you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah? so do you actually think he is town or not? oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ okay. can you tell me what you like about Dam? he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent lol >< actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^
So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her...
First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points.
Later, the best part is that she says this:
On June 17 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:03 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out.
For anyone reading this, take a look at the following.
Stuff like this
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Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this?
Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?"
The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
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and this
Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks you. I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss? It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm? can you tell me how my reason was not a reason, wbg? i'm on the edge of my seat a "toneread" is not a reason. it's like saying "I think he is town because he talks like town". What the hell does that even mean did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it? what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum?
Let's see that side by side:
i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^
did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it?
what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum?
The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all?
Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town."
Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did.
and then there's this
aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused-
narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know
Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads!
She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people:
fidei
damdy
breshke
gb
ls
BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads.
So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either.
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On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:06 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 12:00 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not. Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies? And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez. as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though. This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY. since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it. I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything. Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise). That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads. Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it. Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere.
ROFL
yes, I think identity is important, but motivation is the most important. You can't use meta solely to call people scum because meta is hard to use and it's often not elucidative. That's why things like tonereads and blah blah whatever else you people call it nowadays are little more than copouts unless you can back them up extensively. Scum often use shitty meta to get away with not actually providing real motivational reads because it's easy to fake having a meta read. All you have to do is say that someone is not posting how they normally post and then bam, a bunch of stupid townies believe you because they have nothing better to go off of and they certainly don't have the time to fact check you. That's why when people use meta the onus is on them to provide the evidence.
I like knowing who others think are good because it gives me good expectations. The problem is no one really gave me a good answer and besides Mig I don't really know anyone here anyway. Mig also hasn't bothered to post yet so what the fuck am I going to do with that?
Also yes, the list post you made is worthless to me right now almost by virtue of being a list post. Why the fuck would you seed the thread with all of your reads before you can even be half confident in them? I would perhaps understand if you are close to 100% certain on particular players but given that one of your posts had 5 scum in a game with 17 people I seriously doubt you think that way about all of those in your list.
also if you expect me to respond to this:
On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred
then you should rethink your approach. Like I said before I'm not going to bother seeding the thread with my reads. Choose what you think is important, otherwise I'm not going to give you shit because your approach sucks.
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On June 17 2015 12:39 Holyflare wrote:
also bugs man i said concise x_x
my bad.
tl;dr
1. she deflected responsibility for having a read on LS but appeared to sheep town sentiment to get away with not providing a real read of her own. Her "reasons" are very non-specific and nebulous.
2. She constantly goes in circles with no intention of making progress with some very blatant contradictions and lies. e.g. she says that I am not reading her posts if I think she has no useful reads when she herself said that she only has 5 townish reads (and she went out of her way to qualify that they are not strong and that she hasn't explained them) while in her own words everything else is "leans". She also said that her toneread doesn't mean anything to other players which begs the question as to why she posted the read in the first place. In addition her reaction to me requesting an explanation on said toneread was very scummy because she "qualified" it by saying Damdred's posts are "fluid" while this in reality is just another copout. Her "evidence" for him saying so was nothing more than a link to a previous game. No effort.
If you think the tl;dr is tl;dr then: deflection of responsibility, unwillingness to make progress/explain self and instead is more than willing to go in circles, contradictory posts, and a lack of effort when asked to quantify things with post evidence.
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On June 17 2015 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame we have to come to this kind of discussion, really. Maybe you can have good reads and others don't, but your inability to work with people overwhelms any good town trait you may have, bugs.
I'm not unwilling to work with you. I just don't want to take your approach because I disagree with it.
What exactly do you think is the benefit of putting forth so many reads less than 5 hours into the game?
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On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote:
So if anyone cares I still think RS is town.
care to explain or are you just white knighting here
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