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okay okay okay
enough
we don't need this wbg/fidei sidebar. if you're trying to get reads on each other save it for night
the time for pokes and prods and spam and shitfights is past, ne?
wbg, either your most concise post on the case against gb, please, or better yet break it down for me in short bullet format so i can see if it matches what i see when i dive gb
the other wagon is bf...and maybe ls?
main points against them if they've changed but i'm pretty sure i've caught up as it is on those two
i don't want to see any more talk right now about anyone you don't want to ACTUALLY LYNCH this day phase, and please cut out the sidebar conversations
thank you -_-
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On June 19 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote:
rsoul i am still upset with you -.-
is this relevant or can it wait until after the day phase?
(if it's about leaving early i apologize, but you know class and speeches and all that jazz  )
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On June 19 2015 05:46 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:42 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote:
rsoul i am still upset with you -.- is this relevant or can it wait until after the day phase? (if it's about leaving early i apologize, but you know class and speeches and all that jazz ) not it is about ignoring my case on migs when you came back to the thread -.- and i want to lynch migs...but that's probably not happening.
oh, that!
yeah, i saw your case on migs and got your point :/ it went against my <3s at logical players lol like breshke in all honesty, which was why i asked wbg if migs is capable of posting really logically like that when he's scum. wbg didn't seem to think so and i've got a decent townread on him i think so i feel i can at least trust that he believes that
does that make sense?
i was paying attention, just oddly enough...not...sharing every single thought in my head
i get your point, though. let me take a look at migs next to see if his filter gives me a different feel
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On June 19 2015 05:46 Lohengramm wrote:
I tentatively dislike lynching GB but I'm only on p6 of his filter.
It reads tonally carefree.
so much this
if wbg doesn't give me a breakdown of his points i'm just going to ignore this wagon on gb entirely, because i'm halfway through it and i don't see gb posting this way as scum, in all honesty
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On June 19 2015 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:55 Lohengramm wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:34 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:
This should be the lynch list to discuss today:
- Lohengramm
- ShoCkeyy
- Fidei86
- Breshke
- Mig
- VayneAuthority
- boxerfred
Not in order.
Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today? the problem is that is a list of low post count/low hanging fruit in a lot of cases which means i am probably wrong somewhere, but w/e. breshke and fid would be the last 2 i lynch on that list atm, but if a case was made that was good i could be convinced. Lost post count is exactly what made this list + some scummy things in some of the filters. Like, if I had to put in order form LYNCH NOW to DUNNO LOL, it would be something like this: - Breshke - ShoCkeyy - Lohengramm - boxerfred - VayneAuthority - Mig - Fidei86 Yes, I totally flipped my read on Breshke I do wonder how this list was formed it seems kinda out of nowhere given his posting up to this point his flip on Onegu was also really weird given that when he was town in another game he claimed that not giving reasons for reads/actions is scummy.
???
i see a reason in his filter, but if you want to ask him you can (like literally i'm looking at it right now lol ><)
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On June 19 2015 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
okay okay okay
enough
we don't need this wbg/fidei sidebar. if you're trying to get reads on each other save it for night
the time for pokes and prods and spam and shitfights is past, ne?
wbg, either your most concise post on the case against gb, please, or better yet break it down for me in short bullet format so i can see if it matches what i see when i dive gb
the other wagon is bf...and maybe ls?
main points against them if they've changed but i'm pretty sure i've caught up as it is on those two
i don't want to see any more talk right now about anyone you don't want to ACTUALLY LYNCH this day phase, and please cut out the sidebar conversations
thank you -_- just read page 82 onward. My initial scum read of him was greatly strengthened by how he started attacking me back later, and then he slipped really hard several times. The initial read was primarily based on GB flipping his read of LS after LS claimed named VT, which I thought that a townie would not do. I also found it odd that he kept pushing low-hanging fruit like VA and despite stating that he wanted to consolidate or collaborate with me he never asked me anything or gave me any sort of real feedback on reads besides that one poke about whether I wanted to lynch VA. Anyway, from page 82 onward here's what happened. 1. GB claimed that it is antitown to not help town pare down the lynch list despite the fact that he himself was throwing reads around on multiple players. Indeed his latest case was on Breshke, someone I consider likely to be town and very unlikely to get lynched this cycle. Rather odd for GB to claim that not consolidating is antitown yet make a case on someone who's not gonna get lynched. 2. He claimed I was very willing to lynch lurkers last game, here: Show nested quote +Bugs you're scum because last game you were very inclined to lynch lurkers or at least tried to put pressure in them. Which I called out as a misrepresentation of my play. In the previous game I tried to get him and LS lynched on day 1, both of whom were ACTIVE MAFIA. 3. He decided to double down on the above and I posted this in response to him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=83#1641As you can see he quoted two sets of posts I made from the previous game in an attempt to say that I am scum here because I am not willing to lynch into lurkers. That was obviously not the case then and it's not the case now. 4. KSC's response to GB's Breshke "case" which was overall super shitty 5. VA and Shockeyy's points re: GB getting fake mad and typing in all caps as scum, with two different games as reference (last game in Witch in which myself and Shockeyy played against his scum and GoT mafia from VA) 6. HF's points and reinforcement of most of these things from his own perspective
1. eh, that's explained by him assuming that his list is The List, which that level of egocentrism is more likely town than scum, and breshke topped his list
2. his defense for this point is fine, actually, unless you're completely unwilling to lynch lurkers?
3. eh...sadly i think you both are misrepresenting each other's arguments here tbh
4. already said don't really care if gb made a bad case. he does that. nai
5. all caps he's done as town. again. nai
i'll look at hf's points
overall the strongest point is still the ls read reversal which i have yet to get to in gb's filter, but tonally he looks town to me, so the nai stuff here really just isn't...that convincing
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On June 17 2015 12:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:42 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred How do you have onegu as scum for that reason? It sounds like you're saying that he was scum read for not claiming VT so he didn't need to claim VT? So why shouldn't he claim VT if he's being scumread in other games for not claiming it? Also, if you think he prefers playing scum, don't you think he'd be posting a bit more than just "gosh darnit I'm VT" ? I meant that his need to claim VT right away felt like he was trying to gain towncred (as he was scumread for not claiming VT in another game), and this need to gain towncred fits better a mafia perspective than town perspective in my opinion.Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak. Rescinding the scumread now.
^ considering that was the focalpoint of his scumread on him, that he thought onegu's claim was "forced"...i know it's tone and you don't like tone, wbg...this actually makes sense
i found him voting oneg for "forgetting" his own rule, then dropping the vote when he realized he was wrong about the rule, much more interesting and one of the things that makes me think he's town
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On June 19 2015 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
onegu, shockey, yamato, ritoky and mig with the wasted votes and a lot of people completely ignoring what i write about bf
sweeeeet
even if you're right that it's more null than scum, hf, i'm not seeing how most of this makes gb scum
but i'm still parsing through it
hypocrisy doesn't make people scum
contradictions don't
misrepresentations don't (people misunderstand things or see things differently all the time)
you know what i'm saying?
i just need to skip ahead to the ls read i think that's where the real money here is :/
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On June 19 2015 06:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
okay okay okay
enough
we don't need this wbg/fidei sidebar. if you're trying to get reads on each other save it for night
the time for pokes and prods and spam and shitfights is past, ne?
wbg, either your most concise post on the case against gb, please, or better yet break it down for me in short bullet format so i can see if it matches what i see when i dive gb
the other wagon is bf...and maybe ls?
main points against them if they've changed but i'm pretty sure i've caught up as it is on those two
i don't want to see any more talk right now about anyone you don't want to ACTUALLY LYNCH this day phase, and please cut out the sidebar conversations
thank you -_- just read page 82 onward. My initial scum read of him was greatly strengthened by how he started attacking me back later, and then he slipped really hard several times. The initial read was primarily based on GB flipping his read of LS after LS claimed named VT, which I thought that a townie would not do. I also found it odd that he kept pushing low-hanging fruit like VA and despite stating that he wanted to consolidate or collaborate with me he never asked me anything or gave me any sort of real feedback on reads besides that one poke about whether I wanted to lynch VA. Anyway, from page 82 onward here's what happened. 1. GB claimed that it is antitown to not help town pare down the lynch list despite the fact that he himself was throwing reads around on multiple players. Indeed his latest case was on Breshke, someone I consider likely to be town and very unlikely to get lynched this cycle. Rather odd for GB to claim that not consolidating is antitown yet make a case on someone who's not gonna get lynched. 2. He claimed I was very willing to lynch lurkers last game, here: Bugs you're scum because last game you were very inclined to lynch lurkers or at least tried to put pressure in them. Which I called out as a misrepresentation of my play. In the previous game I tried to get him and LS lynched on day 1, both of whom were ACTIVE MAFIA. 3. He decided to double down on the above and I posted this in response to him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=83#1641As you can see he quoted two sets of posts I made from the previous game in an attempt to say that I am scum here because I am not willing to lynch into lurkers. That was obviously not the case then and it's not the case now. 4. KSC's response to GB's Breshke "case" which was overall super shitty 5. VA and Shockeyy's points re: GB getting fake mad and typing in all caps as scum, with two different games as reference (last game in Witch in which myself and Shockeyy played against his scum and GoT mafia from VA) 6. HF's points and reinforcement of most of these things from his own perspective 1. eh, that's explained by him assuming that his list is The List, which that level of egocentrism is more likely town than scum, and breshke topped his list What? Topped his list how? Breshke was a townread in his list, here: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
2. his defense for this point is fine, actually, unless you're completely unwilling to lynch lurkers?
Given that you did not play in the previous game with us, I can potentially understand why you think this, but no, his defense was not fine. I am not willing to lynch lurkers when there are scummier people to lynch. This is not a binary "I do not want to lynch lurkers" or "I want to lynch lurkers" kind of problem and thinking in that way is oversimplifying the issue. The issue is that he misconstrued my play as saying I was willing to policy lynch lurkers in the previous game which a blatant misrepresentation. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
3. eh...sadly i think you both are misrepresenting each other's arguments here tbh
Then you're not reading my posts properly. Or his, for that matter. Context matters, just go look at how he represents my play from the previous games and read the posts he quoted from Witchcraft. Ask LS if you need more confirmation, he was scum with GB that game and he agrees with me. Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
4. already said don't really care if gb made a bad case. he does that. nai
It's not just the case being bad, it's the way he presented it. Why would he spend 5-10 posts talking about how he's going to post a case on Breshke instead of just doing it without telegraphing it so hard? Why does he need to spend that time making it look like he's about to contribute something if he's town? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
5. all caps he's done as town. again. nai
Source, please.
refer to carol for both 5 and 6
he does this as town lol >< and i scumread him for exactly these two reasons incorrectly that game. carol is the second game in my profile
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and no i don't have a ton of time to do all the research necessary for this so it needs to be something concrete and powerful rather than a collection of nitty gritty...i just...i don't think he's scum -_-
there's too much lightness and back and forth and reactivity and i know he's not good at reproducing that as scum. i know that i know that i know he's not. it's what made it so obvious when i read his smurf filter...he was focused on one thing for PAGES which isn't him, even when he's tunneled
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On June 19 2015 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote:
and no i don't have a ton of time to do all the research necessary for this so it needs to be something concrete and powerful rather than a collection of nitty gritty...i just...i don't think he's scum -_-
there's too much lightness and back and forth and reactivity and i know he's not good at reproducing that as scum. i know that i know that i know he's not. it's what made it so obvious when i read his smurf filter...he was focused on one thing for PAGES which isn't him, even when he's tunneled wat that's literally what he's doing this game re: his scum read of me. The only difference is that he's probably self-aware of that now and his scum game actually isn't that bad. He was fairly convincing to everyone last game that he wasn't scum and they all yelled at me then for calling him scum.
dude
i literally
called him out
by looking at his filter for two minutes that game
so when you speak to me about how "good" his scumgame is, realize that his "good" scumgame i caught in seconds. i'm not saying you couldn't be right on his alignment but i'm saying it's the read you're trashing that allowed me to catch him
and no, he's not focusing solely on you, wbg...not at all looking at his filter :/
hf...i told you i don't have the time for the nitty gritty so stop trying to bully me...it makes me want to kick you in the ankles and run away laughing
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ls thing isn't even right either lol
dude i'll eat crow if gb is scum and i'm fine with that. i don't like the arguments
-shrugs-
gb, what were the reactions you were looking for supposedly when going at ls?
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On June 19 2015 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:26 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 06:16 rsoultin wrote:
and no i don't have a ton of time to do all the research necessary for this so it needs to be something concrete and powerful rather than a collection of nitty gritty...i just...i don't think he's scum -_-
there's too much lightness and back and forth and reactivity and i know he's not good at reproducing that as scum. i know that i know that i know he's not. it's what made it so obvious when i read his smurf filter...he was focused on one thing for PAGES which isn't him, even when he's tunneled wat that's literally what he's doing this game re: his scum read of me. The only difference is that he's probably self-aware of that now and his scum game actually isn't that bad. He was fairly convincing to everyone last game that he wasn't scum and they all yelled at me then for calling him scum. dude i literally called him out by looking at his filter for two minutes that game so when you speak to me about how "good" his scumgame is, realize that his "good" scumgame i caught in seconds. i'm not saying you couldn't be right on his alignment but i'm saying it's the read you're trashing that allowed me to catch him and no, he's not focusing solely on you, wbg...not at all looking at his filter :/ hf...i told you i don't have the time for the nitty gritty so stop trying to bully me...it makes me want to kick you in the ankles and run away laughing you're not good, and it doesn't matter because literally no one can validate what you are saying and it wasn't in a game. You have 0 substantiation for any of your points in his defense, like literally the only thing we have to go off is your word. It's pretty flimsy in a game where evidence is supremely important
-snorts-
i really hope both you and gb are town just for the ego stroke here, not gonna lie
i get it's not enough to convince you but frankly, those people who do actually think my reads are worth anything at least know where i stand, and that's enough for me right now. it's been awhile since i pretended i could lead town or i was infallible xP
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On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote:
rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look
nah i get it i have no time either
i only skimmed it
i don't think bad cases from gb are alignment indicative in general, though
his hf case in carol was the shit, too lol ><
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the only point i even remember in his case was something you'd already explained to my satisfaction though, bresh, so eh
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On June 19 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote:
i now have a bizarre read where bugs and shcokkey are mafia together cuz bug prompted shockkey for a response out of nowhere after shockkey had been gone for a long time and then shockkey showed up and responded and shit shortly after and i don't rly care for that vote.
the vote is definitely bad, yeah
so is the bf one
i agree with gb that there's no reason even to make up a reason when it's obviously just survival
why bother justifying?
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On June 19 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote:
rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look The case on you from GB was bad and was shut down by KSC and others(I think).
LS, if you're townreading me bby this time sheep me
i'm about as certain as i can be that gb is not scum here...why do you think he's scum?
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On June 19 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:
My problem is that GB said i did a bunch of small NAI things that he think made me scummy when I don't really see that in the case nor do i see how that made me go from like his top town to top scum. Meh I thought he was really town though.
this will probably be answered in his response as to what he was doing with ls if i'm reading his motivations correctly, so hopefully he answers that soon -_-
though i remember him starting to get antsy about you much earlier so maybe i'm just wrong
GB are you here?
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On June 19 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote:
i now have a bizarre read where bugs and shcokkey are mafia together cuz bug prompted shockkey for a response out of nowhere after shockkey had been gone for a long time and then shockkey showed up and responded and shit shortly after and i don't rly care for that vote. the vote is definitely bad, yeah so is the bf one i agree with gb that there's no reason even to make up a reason when it's obviously just survival why bother justifying? I think a new player is more likely to do this tbh
regarding bf?
i've seen shining do it so yeah that's possible...he had me on his back for it most of that game the git xP
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On June 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Didn't see your question, can you address it to me again?
the ls "reaction" thing you were doing...can you explain what the purpose was and what you got out of it please?
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