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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 18:26 GMT
#1641
On June 19 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [from last game] +

On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 13:41 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is.

He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill.
In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then?

This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed.


It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself.

Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so.

If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up.

I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved.

Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination.



On June 09 2015 02:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato are you ignoring me or did you just miss my post?

I don't need your opinion on FF anymore but would like to know who you dislike aside from the lurkers. I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category.


This post shows that Bugs would consider lynching lurkers if he didn't have a better target. He is just having a strong scumread NOW, against me.

+ Show Spoiler [more from last game] +
On June 09 2015 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2015 04:08 batsnacks wrote:
On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!

Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.

For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.

Anyway, anyone still around?


Someone also said they thought foots was rsoultin before.


idk, I personally wouldn't put much into that. First it was he/she and it could have been a matter of convenience to say "she". I know some people default to female pronouns when they are unsure. Even so, Tubesock could know FF's identity through some other means, e.g. they talked to a particular player and knew they were going to smurf in this game.

With that said though, if Tubesock indeed does know FF's identity then it makes them both far more likely to be scum. That would be unfortunate (and rather weird, too) because I actually don't really think that's the case right now.

##unvote

Gonna think for a bit, the lack of feedback from players is a little disappointing. bats, talk to me a bit.

What do you think of other players in the game right now? Is this what you would expect from town yamato, onegu, Lightning?

Have you played with Bill Murray before, and do you think he is town this game?


You can see that he is worried about people that doesn't post much. He clearly goes for batsnacks here. I don't see this kind of attitude in this game.

He was way more open minded in the last game. I think his post style here is very different.


how the fuck does the bolded mean that I would be willing to lynch people that didn't contribute?

All the bolded meant was that I wanted people to contribute so that I could determine if my tunnel was wrong. When people started appearing in the thread the thing that ensured I knew what was happening was good was when I got so much resistance to the lynch yet people continually hemmed and hawed about lynching LS. That was one of the most painful lynches ever simply because half the players in the game weren't around and the rest of them found really stupid reasons to want to lynch stutters over LS.

and the second post is literally the same fucking mentality. I was worried when people weren't responding to my case because I was so confident on it, yet it barely swayed anyone until very late in the day. That has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to lynch inactives, which in general I do not do except as a last resort. There is no such need in this game to lynch inactive people which is why I would recommend we NOT lynch BF, because there are plenty of players who look worse than BF and on more than just the basis of activity, which in general is a shitty heuristic in the first place.

This post seems so fabricated to me and such a stretch that there is almost no way GB is town here
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 18:27 GMT
#1642
On June 19 2015 03:20 KelsierSC wrote:
as to the other points

point 2 and point 4. if he has a faint defence of you and then time elapses and he calls you town it doesn't make it a sudden town read no?

point 6. isn't collaboration etc your whole thing now?

overall the case is bad


In that mean time, he admitted Bugs point on LS claim was good. In a balance between boxerfred and LS, I'm sure there is no world where Breshke would vote LS now.

Regarding 2 and 4, maybe bad wording, but he has no real reason to call us both town. Especially me. Remember: he called me basically confirmed town in our last game.

Point 6 isn't collaboration, is him being "omg they are all afk lol" and instead of having a conclusion out of this, he shifts this responsibility to me "HEY GB ISN'T IT BAD LOL".
I'm adorable.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 18:27 GMT
#1643
ALSO I EVEN SAID THIS IN A POST HE QUOTED

I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category.


literal fucking contradiction, GB is not even reading the posts he is quoting, he is just misrepresenting me.

100% scum
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 18:28 GMT
#1644
On June 19 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 03:20 KelsierSC wrote:
as to the other points

point 2 and point 4. if he has a faint defence of you and then time elapses and he calls you town it doesn't make it a sudden town read no?

point 6. isn't collaboration etc your whole thing now?

overall the case is bad


In that mean time, he admitted Bugs point on LS claim was good. In a balance between boxerfred and LS, I'm sure there is no world where Breshke would vote LS now.

Regarding 2 and 4, maybe bad wording, but he has no real reason to call us both town. Especially me. Remember: he called me basically confirmed town in our last game.

Point 6 isn't collaboration, is him being "omg they are all afk lol" and instead of having a conclusion out of this, he shifts this responsibility to me "HEY GB ISN'T IT BAD LOL".


well your case wasn't strong enough to convince me at all and after that and what you have been saying about bugs I would actually consider lynching you now.
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 18:29 GMT
#1645
On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote:
GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler



Yes.
In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy.

He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore...

Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 18:29 GMT
#1646
Ok lynch me then, already lost too much time with this
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 18:29 GMT
#1647
On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote:
GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler



Yes.
In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy.

He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore...

Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers.


...but he didn't he said he would rather lynch other people over lurkers...which isn't what you accused him of.

Like I said it's a massive stretch to reach the conclusions you did from those posts...
Zerg for Life
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 18:30 GMT
#1648
On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote:
GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler



Yes.
In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy.

He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore...

Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers.


ROFL

"that's not what he said...but if he didn't say it, this is what he would've done..."

ITT I learned that GB knows my play better than I know my own play
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 18:31 GMT
#1649
On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok lynch me then, already lost too much time with this


k

##unvote
##vote GlowingBear
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 18:32 GMT
#1650
On June 19 2015 03:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote:
GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler



Yes.
In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy.

He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore...

Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers.


...but he didn't he said he would rather lynch other people over lurkers...which isn't what you accused him of.

Like I said it's a massive stretch to reach the conclusions you did from those posts...


Dude my accusation is that he was worried about people lurking in the other game (asks people to keep contributing, reveals that he COULD plynch lurkers = he doesn't like inactivity) and that he isn't worried in this game.

I'm done talking about bugs anyway because I'm not lynching him today and if you and my other townreads aren't going to lynch breshke, I'm keeping my vote on boxerfred and you do whatever the fuck you guys want
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 18:33 GMT
#1651
DUDE IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE WHO SAYS "WE HAVE 2 BETTER LYNCHES THAN LYNCHING LURKERS RIGHT NOW" IS SOMEONE THAT WOULD HAVE LYNCHED LURKERS AS PART OF A POLICY IF THOSE 2 LYNCHES DIDN'T EXIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 18:35 GMT
#1652
Gonna cool down.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 18:35 GMT
#1653
On June 19 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
DUDE IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE WHO SAYS "WE HAVE 2 BETTER LYNCHES THAN LYNCHING LURKERS RIGHT NOW" IS SOMEONE THAT WOULD HAVE LYNCHED LURKERS AS PART OF A POLICY IF THOSE 2 LYNCHES DIDN'T EXIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY


but that isn't even what he typed.
some other player wanted to lynch lurkers and he said he thought there were better lynches than that.
like it's a total misrepresentation of him.
Zerg for Life
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 18 2015 18:37 GMT
#1654
yea ill vote him just for the capslock post, that now actually seems like mafia gb
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 18 2015 18:39 GMT
#1655
played mafia with him in game of thrones mini mafia,

when he started to get pressured and get lynched

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=GlowingBear&page=7

this page
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 18 2015 18:39 GMT
#1656
and yes im pretty much a walking mafia encyclopedia if you've played with me i have a good memory
I come in for the scraps
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 18:40 GMT
#1657
On June 19 2015 03:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
played mafia with him in game of thrones mini mafia,

when he started to get pressured and get lynched

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=GlowingBear&page=7

this page


nice
Zerg for Life
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 18:40 GMT
#1658
On June 19 2015 03:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
played mafia with him in game of thrones mini mafia,

when he started to get pressured and get lynched

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=GlowingBear&page=7

this page


LOL this post on that page

On April 21 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
nice you posted a useless post where you say exactly what i said

1. the sentence literally after what you wrote says: "this could just be awful vivax"

2. easy targets is such a bull shit reason for someone being mafia when they put cases on those people that are thought out like you can't pick and choose who is mafia in a game so what if they were all easy mislynch people???? people pushing them must be mafia!!!!

3. how the fuck are you an easy target?? which people in this game aren't easy targets then?????????


THREAD SENTIMENT IS AGAINST ME
ALL THREAD SENTIMENT
GOING AGAINST ME IS BEING IN AN EASY TARGET

TRY TO LYNCH SICKLUCKER WHO IS SCUMMY AS HELL
JUST TRY IT
YOU WON'T BE ABLE
THREAD SENTIMENT ISN'T AGAINST HIM + PEOPLE SIMPLY CAN'T SEE HOW HE IS MAFIA

YOU'RE FUCKING LETTING HIM LIVE BECAUSE HE IS BAD EVERY GAME, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS EXCUSE????


that's like exactly what he's doing here hahahahaha
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 18:43 GMT
#1659
LS what think you?
Zerg for Life
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 18 2015 18:46 GMT
#1660
Can't forget GB's scum smurf account last game I played with him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=FreezingFoot&page=4

Just wanted to bring that up.
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