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He's also part if the mafia in the Himalayas game that started after this game. Go read his filter there Filter And compare it with his game here. He is way more active there, asking questions, stimulating discussions. It's like night and day from this game. Here's a quote of his: "Getting conversation stimulated is important". I get a town vibe from him in that game, and his play is nothing like this game. Go read it and judge for yourself | ||
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On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. In getting a slight town vibe off oats lately. In the last few pages I saw him come alive with fire in his eyes. It seemed genuine. | ||
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I just thought it was ok since so many other people referenced other games that people played in. | ||
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On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote: Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game. I still can't get over this statement. Can you explain what it means Scott? All you did was quote it and ask me who I want to lynch tomorrow. Your defense seems forced. To me it seems like your only defense is " I'm town" and " bats shady" Give me something I can believe in. Who is mafia, give me some reads with some substance. | ||
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On June 16 2015 14:19 Damdred wrote: Let me reinterate I'm not shitting on you, I want you to stop playing with a chip on your shoulder right now and cooperate towards finding scum to be active. Like you can say a lot about my early game I know its the weakest part of my game and its compounded here by work+replacing in at an awkward juncture, but if I say X is a problem in this situation regardless of alignment its just how I see it. Its not a tunnel, I generally don't tunnel. Here's the thing I honestly think that you are probably town. And we need to not bicker, I accept that I'm playing like shit and I can laugh at myself about it, give me some reads Ks. personally id still rather lynch rux or sul today. I'd rather not lynch moose because of bad reasons. Oats is a possibility he has no real floe this game and can't see his thought movement which is troubling Wave is probably town, rel feels town. Trfel is probably town, bats is defo town. So for me its a pretty small list of players I could see hang today. I see few spotlights of townyness in his play, but otherwise he's been a null read from his actions for me. Only reason for me to suspect him is his lack of activity, and his unwillingness to lead the thread forward. But by process of elimination the most likely scum is Damdred and oats, and I don't think oats is scum if scott is scum. | ||
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Scott also tried to push hard on oats. Could be a bus on oats, but I doubt it. If you go back and look sulfur made that case against oats when the train was still on kickstarter. It makes me think it was an honest attempt to get oats lynched because he was an easy target. However that doesn't make sense either, because why wouldnt sulfur just jump on the kick train? I don't know, but that's my thoughts about the situation. | ||
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On June 20 2015 17:16 Trfel wrote: ruXxar Reasons ruXxar could be scum Would like to see ruXxar's response. 1. Early on, ruXxar was slow to discuss people's alignments: I don't see how your quotes back up that statement. All of those quotes are from the first few pages of the game, and then there's even a scumlean in there. My reads so far this game has been : Mafia: # Kickstart scum, # Bats scum, # Moosy medic # Geript scum (I read his filter before the battrap and I already found it lacking. It was easy for me to sheep bats at that point) # n00bking town, # Trfel town, # Rels scum, # Moosy scum baiting as medic, # kickstart scum, # oatsmaster and scott scum. # scott town # wave town # batsnacks town # kickstarter town Probably not correct order,but accurate enough. To say I haven't been out there putting my neck on the line and making alignment statements is wrong. I used exactly that argument against Moosy first time around when I accused him of being wishy washy and non committal. 2. Early scumread of Kickstart feels forced Again an argument from the first 5 pages of the game, you read too much into it. 3. Keeps saying he wants more thread activity, but does nothing about it First off, my filter is twice as long as yours. Second off, if you read my filter you can see that I've actually been pushing the thread all game, not afraid to throw out new thoughts, trying to spotlight players I feel have been getting an easy pass. Whenever I've had an opinion I've thrown it out there, even to the point of making me look wishy washy sometimes because I make new realizations minutes after I post them, and most of the time they even contradict my previous thoughts. I'm not afraid to make pushes on people that other considered towny based on my own interpretation of the situation. I don't need other peoples arguments to make a push, I make them myself. When I say that I'm going to bed, it usually means I'm going from my computer to my bed, and start reading on my phone. And yes, I don't push equally as strong every day. I have a day job that requires my attention and sometimes the thread is simply at a standstill and you've run out of ideas. I find this argument to be very weak also. 4. Switches read on Kickstart for a weak reason: I actually went through geripts filter and came to the same conclusion that he did. Admit it, geripts filter was weak, and going through the filter I came to the same realizations that kickstart did. Besides the first statement about liars from kickstart, he did nothing else that made me feel he was more scummy. Again, you read too much into the first few pages of the game. 5. Delay in responding to batsnacks' case on geript I think this makes perfect sense. My top two scumreads were bats and geript. I did not think bats would bus his own teammate. This makes bats seem town. I don't see how this logic is hard to follow. 6. Changing stance on Sulfurus So this is probably the most damning evidence against me, my alignment with sulfurus. Yes, I was wrong on sulfurus. My mentality was that his plays were too obviously bad to be scum. As you say this argument falls apart if Rels is town, which I actually realized in a later post Despite that, I still clung onto the fact that sulfurus was town. Even if the evidence was right in front of me, i had somehow locked away the thought of re-evaluating sulfurus, due to my earlier conviction. That's a terrible mindset to have from my side, but that's how I thought at that point. Combine that with the fact that he'd been talking good about me all game, he actually did an excellent job in converting me to his side. I don't know if that was his plan, but I have to commend him for it, and slap myself hard for falling for it. 7. Inconsistency with regards to the implication of Sulfurus' flip on Rels' alignment Let me explain. After the flip on sulfurus, my head was in a disarray. Everything I had believed in so hard had just fallen apart. At this point im scrambling to try to make sense of things. So I put Rels on that list because the only reason I could think of that made sense with sulfurus flipped, was that rels was town. Which comes from the realization I had in point 6 above. Then I later reevaluate and think that I must've been overthinking and that sulfur was actually just defending his scum teammate all along which I outlined in this post: On June 17 2015 09:30 ruXxar wrote: Here's my thoughts. People were voting on sulf day one. Trfel makes a case on rel. Sulf calls rels his best town read and sticks too it all game. End of story. I used to believe in the too obvious too be scum theory. I don't anymore. 8. Jumped around a lot and posted a variety of thoughts Day 1 through Night 2, then stopped + Show Spoiler + I've been generally ignoring the fact that ruXxar's reads keep changing all the time. However, over the course of Day 3, his reads stayed relatively constant. He's not being crazy and jumping on everything, he was basically just suspicious of scott31337, Oatsmaster, and sometimes Damdred throughout the day. Not many read switches at all. By day 2, tell me who else you would find suspicious besides scott, oats and possibly damdred? You can't deny that oats and scott were looking the worst, you even said it yourself and almost everyone agreed on the point that either of them were scum. So this point applies to pretty much everyone on day 2. You call me lazy, but I made cases against oats and scott and I mentioned damdred multiple times. I actually thought that Scott was mafia. But then I looked at his day 1. And I had to agree with moosy, it actually looked very towny. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 07:50 ruXxar wrote: Btw Scott is mafia 100%. On June 17 2015 08:33 ruXxar wrote: You're right. When i look at Scotts voting patterns it doesn't make sense, since he even voted for Rels. Yup Scott is town and Rels is mafia. I later changed my mind on scott since I didn't like his defense when pressured. ------------------------------- If something is unclear or you feel I didn't adequately respond to a point, please ask and I will clarify any questions you have. I'm very happy to have an open discussion of where we go from here. This is my current read list: #Trfel: town. #wave: town. He did make some weird posts lately though, not sure what to read into that. #damdred: uncertain, I pegged mostly his inactivity, but he said he had internet outage so I don't know. #batsnacks: town. #kickstart: town. #Rels: uncertain. He puts in a lot of effort though, which I like. #Oats: scum although I don't know why sulfurus would try to make a case against him, not sure here. I'll be re-evaluating some posts from the last day and try to create some talking points. | ||
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I'll make an evaluation on him to see if I can put together a solid case based on his actions. After I'm done with that I'll be giving you my clear stance on Rels. I'm doing this as much for my own sake, to get all my thoughts in order. I need to clear out my head on the Rels/sulfur association. | ||
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I know it's a lot to catch up to, but please try to summarize your thoughts on the situation. I would appreciate it very much. | ||
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Imagine for a second, that Rels fell for the same thing that I did. This follows along the logic that batsnacks outlines which led to both me and Rels actually reading sulfurus as town. In that case I can understand both me and Rels defending sulfurus on day 2. What I can't understand is how oats master kept his vote on kickstart over sulfurus. Look at this votecount at the end of day 2: Oh fish ul Votecount ruXxar (0): Rels (0): Sulfurus (7): MoosyDoosy (0): kickstart (2): Oatsmaster (1): sulfurus ----------------------------- Do you not see something suspicious here? Sulfurus is voting for oats, yet oats is voting for kickstart. So I wanted to see the reason for why oats is voting on kickstart. First, i wanted to look at sulfurus / oatsmaster association. This is what I found: Oatsmaster expresses his desire to lynch sulfurus: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: btw we still have like a day lol. if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus. On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours. Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat. I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia. Here oats claims that sulfu was really obvious mafia: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote: It's not for town cred. It's for not looking like mafia when sulph eventually flips. Which clearly worked to you anyway. Sulph was just so obvious man. If you ignore voting analysis, what else makes him town? Here oats says he's really against the kickstarter lynch: + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it. What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good. or damdred. On June 16 2015 10:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart is pretty damn obviously town and him not doing anything doesn't really diminish his start. Like this is a super easy lynch for scum to push because Kickstart 's attitude sucks and a pretty predictable response will come. Let's lynch ruxxar instead. On June 16 2015 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously why the hell is kickstart a better lynch. Can someone like trfel give me one reason that doesn't include the words activity and promises. Yet somehow, he stayed the course and voted on kickstarter? Something doesn't add up here. Later claims that I could've been a bus + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 08:39 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont think anyone should be given a townread for that lynch without kickstart flipping. Sulph looked really bad the whole game, it might just have been a bus. Also, both sulph and kickstart expressed an interest in lynching me. Which is really weird. Scott switched really late, like 10 minutes before the deadline and you guys are calling him town?!?? On June 17 2015 09:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah you don't know the concept of bussing. Why does he mention bussing? Well because he wants people to think that all the mafia are amongst the guys voting on sulfurus, so as to remove suspicion from himself who stayed on kickstart. Which either means that Rels is mafia, or that there actually is 1 mafia voting on sulfurus. Add that together with these two comments On June 17 2015 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote: hey at least im not getting killed tonight. On June 17 2015 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey at least im not dying tonight. And him trying to deflect away from sulfurus: On June 15 2015 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote: moosy, you rather lynch rels than sulf today right? And if you add together ALL of this "Hey lets kill" or "Hey this guy is mafia" posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2015 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Guys come on, start talking. Let's discuss trfel being mafia. On June 18 2015 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Wave you want to lunch danded tmr? On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Let's get moosy tmr On June 14 2015 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets lynch geript kk. I really want to vote for oatsmaster. ##Vote oatsmaster | ||
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