[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 6

On June 08 2015 07:00 scott31337 wrote:
I'm the most town read and a mislynch would be difficult



If we go over Ritoky's list -he thinks more of Chocolate town if Templar flips town. although this is from day 1 though

Here's GG's list -



Day 2 Final Vote Count

Shendelzare(0): Onegu
Chocolate(0): Tictock, NydusHerMain
Onegu(0): Scott, Damdred, NydusHerMain
Tictock(4): GGTemplar, GGTemplar, Fidei86, Chocolate, NydusHerMain
GGTemplar(6): VisceraEyes, Onegu, Tictock, Scott, Damdred, Shendelzare, Scott
VisceraEyes(0): GGTemplar
NydusHerMain(0): Damdred
Fidei86(0): Scott
Damdred(1): milo109

Since GG flipped town and mafia knew this was coming, i suspect at most only one mafia on him.
So we have Milo with his wasted vote.
Every one else in Tictock

I'm going to expand on this later, got some things to do.

On June 08 2015 09:39 Chocolate wrote:
TT
VE
someone else

are mafia
Just got to find #3

On June 08 2015 09:46 Chocolate wrote:

probably you are #3

scott why the FUCK would you want to vote me

On June 07 2015 20:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
Oh and if chocolate flips scum I think the votes make it very clear who his scum team can and can't be.

Day 1 Vote Count

Tictock(1): sicklucker <- shendalakajfkldsjfldjsal
Chocolate(4): VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): NydusHerMain
Kickstart(4): Damdred, Chocolate, ritoky, Fidei86
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, milo109
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Those are the people that mostly come to mind in my thoughts.

On June 07 2015 20:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Rereading chocolate's filter, his reads don't seem to evolve naturally. It just seems really fucking awkward to read at all.

Starting from this post to this post. For the tl;dr, basically he mentions scott being his top scum and when he starts to finally town read scott he doesn't ever mention why in between and randomly just says "oh obviously this read is different now" without even explicitly calling scott town.

Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point?


So let's cole's note this shit because my writing style sucks:
- calls scott number 1 scum
- never mentions scott until scott magically turns town (or obviously changed read) with no justification other than "posts more"
- townreads scott for his chez accusation against templar who chocolate thinks is town
- chocolate calls templar town for the first time in the same post claiming that people are trying to bury him with bs
- chez rule

Like wtf is this shit?


Moving on, we look at the KS situation. Referring back to his initial set up reads in this post in case you guys don't want to scroll back up, we see that KS is "very unlikely to be mafia" for Chocolate. Another post reinforcing his belief. 2-3 posts later dem be flippin' dem pancakes lyke in dis post. Really, so after calling KS town this entire time, you suddenly flip because he votes on you use that pretty much dumb point to potentially push scum on him? The fact that he might be deflecting off someone? Okay. This post lacks any original thought but pretty much opens up the idea that he might just be saying KS is scum because he wants to live. Then he says this where KS magically jumps to the front of the line for scum after he said KS is really unlikely to be scum just because it's a vote between him and KS. The is literally making up points against KS in this post or at least it feels ridiculously ingenuine to me.

Basically, my point is, nothing Chocolate says feels natural and it feels like he's just making up reads and giving reads for the sake of giving them. He isn't actually trying to scum hunt and he's flipping like a fucking pancake for no reason. There's no train of logic with him, only a survival instinct and for me, that's indicative of scum.

I've also saved the best for last:
"Cry me a riverrrrr" I've never seen a weaker and FAKER reaction than this.

On June 08 2015 18:55 Fidei86 wrote:
I've just had a quick read over VE's filter and I'll concede that I was wrong - he has not been lurking Day 2. However, he did spend basically all of Day 2 going after Templar. I'm all over the place on VE right now. I need to re-read Damdred's filter, because I have this nagging feeling that one of them is mafia, and I can't figure out which.

@TT I'll try and read Damdred's filter at lunch and come back with thoughts.

On June 09 2015 04:48 milo109 wrote:
When I voted you, there was only two votes on Tick. If I'd been back in time, I would have switched to him. It wouldn't have changed anything, but you're right, that would have been the correct play. Still. Just because I think Templar was town doesn't mean I think he is correct on everything. I still don't think Tick is hard scum. My statement on the two scum in voters if tick rock is scum is for future reference. Just thought he would have been a better lynch than Templar. Which is correct, considering we know he was town. As for not pushing you, read my filter. Almost all of my posts have been defending town and trying to get you(scum) lynched. Also. How can you think I'm pushing scum on everyone? I've pushed hard on three people this game. KS/You/VE. Notice two of you are still alive. KS was a mistake that I panicked and tried to rectify. I didn't correctly understand plurality, and I didn't realize I needed to vote Chcolate, which I didn't want to do.


Onto the future: I want to lynch Damdred. He did indeed vote on both town. Why is he proud of that? He spends most of his post calling everything I've done except the vote scummy and then doesn't even have the courage to lynch me until day 5(Which if we don't lynch a mafia by then, won't happen.) He knows I have too much town cred over my unvote to lynch me, so he'll try to get courage cred by mildly scum reading me while mislynching town. If you keep lynching in the Me/Chocolate/Fidei/Templar circle you're going to lose. I believe that we are all town. If Damdred flips town I'll revaluate but until we lynch outside that world, we can't move forward. I implore you town, don' t be swayed.

On June 09 2015 04:55 milo109 wrote:
Also I typed that on my iPhone. So look at it as my commitment to stop slacking.

On June 06 2015 19:36 Onegu wrote:



Onegu rule applies to him also. I am down. But really the S named dude who replaced in is 100% mafia or Im not VT.


I am VT.

On June 04 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's where I'm sitting currently:

Town:
ritoky
scott
Nydus
Kickstart
Fidei
Ticktock

Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason:
Damdred
Onegu

People I'd probably lynch in spite of them probably being spewed town:
sicklucker

People I'm looking at filters right now to decide if I think they are the lynch today instead of Chocolate:
GGTemplar

People I'd lynch remorselessly:
Chocolate
milo

People I'll worry about later:
Everyone else.

On June 09 2015 07:00 Fidei86 wrote:
One crazy thought I just had is that the scum team is VE, Damdred and Chocolate, and VE and Damdred have been trying to bus Chocolate all game, but the town keep screwing it up and voting for townies.

On June 09 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote:
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So no I don't think I am 100% sure that I think everyone is town xcept for four people. I think onegs town I guess but I wouldn't want to take him to lylo either (shrug).
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On June 09 2015 01:41 Chocolate wrote:
I've been reading the filters of both VE and TT from d1. I'm on a phone so it would be hell on earth for me to do a shitton of quoting so here it goes:

Both call each other town pretty early on
Both push votes on townies (though of course I am not confirmed townie)
As soon as I park a very early vote on TT, VE scum reads me
I'm pretty sure all of TTs d1 list (GG, me, milo, SL) is town and gives him flexibility to bandwagon as he pleases
Additionally, although his posts regarding me are all cautious (need to read more, you are all three probably town) he puts me second on his list

I'll read n1 and d2 soon too but again I'm on my phone so it takes me a while to structure a post adequately
Still not sure who third scum is, at this point I'm finding damdred unlikely

On June 09 2015 08:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Where did I say I wanted to lynch you? I can't read you well, and I'd probably vote for you over milo, but at the moment I'm questioning everything. But yes, if I had to give a list, it would be:

Town: milo
Null: Chocolate, NHM, VE, Damdred
Mafia: Scott, TT
Policy: Onegu

I recognise that's very "middle of the road" of me, I'm just struggling.

On June 10 2015 03:41 Chocolate wrote:

Ve has been a pretty strong scum read of mine for a while, I just haven't been able to convince anyone else for a while so it's not something I'm going to keep pushing

On June 08 2015 13:02 Tictock wrote:
I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.

Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler + OR it is a team of more advanced players, possibly with one of the newer plays. Since I know our wagons D2 were both on town, I'm tempted to think lurking scum is the most likely.

I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).

@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.

On June 05 2015 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
This game is so weird, the people I DON'T expect to have reads on me do and the people I DO expect to have reads on me don't.

On June 04 2015 23:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I came out of hibernation to give a ride or die townread on scott. Good job buddy.

On June 06 2015 17:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
And just in case anyone else had any fucking doubt, this is what VE looks like when he's town and tries.

On June 08 2015 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred just look at what Chocolate says about why he is voting for me EoD1. After he comes to this "realization" that he's just OMGUSing me and that I may be town or whatever, he KEEPS voting for me because "he doesn't have any other mafia reads" and when he DOES finally vote for Kickstart (because he's the only other realistic wagon) he EVEN SAYS that it's just to save his life. He NEVER had any mafia reads during D1, and I think that he AS mafia just didn't want to piss anyone off.

On June 08 2015 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yup, still not mafia.

Obviously I have to reevaluate. I'll be back before dawn or whatever.

On June 09 2015 07:00 Fidei86 wrote:
One crazy thought I just had is that the scum team is VE, Damdred and Chocolate, and VE and Damdred have been trying to bus Chocolate all game, but the town keep screwing it up and voting for townies.

On June 10 2015 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bad idea. I'm town, just AFK.