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On June 15 2015 10:11 milo109 wrote:
So I'm not sure who Scott's partner is, but it probably is Onegu. Scott's first three pages of filter are defending Onegu again and again.
On June 04 2015 14:18 scott31337 wrote:
I see this as Onegu's town game. He tries much harder as mafia and likes rolling mafia - but we can agree to disagree for now. He'll show some more when he feels the need.
Scott is the first aside from Onegu to mention the Chezinu rule, and then defends Onegu.
You should look at some of Onegu's previous games - I have mentioned before I read a whole bunch of his town and scum games. He tries harder as scum, gives more effort - throw in lots of confusion, etc.
On June 05 2015 03:09 scott31337 wrote:
Bad post - seems to look like trying to go for an Onegu Mislynch in my opinion, try to start a bandwagon. Is this from a town who doesn't like Onegu or a scum trying a wagon away from GG or Chocolate? I know Onegu isn't playing great, but he will shine his moments when need be or we can worry about him tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Onegu thinks Chocolate and Milo are town though.
The perfect thing to say about your mafia partner to preserve him from the mislynch.
I love how you didn't even quote the nested here to hide the rest of the story.
On June 05 2015 03:09 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 00:59 Fidei86 wrote:On June 05 2015 00:36 Chocolate wrote:
It's a really hard choice, honestly since i'm not really sold on anyone being 100% mafia I would just get rid of Onegu/SL as my first choice because
1. it's easy to hide as mafia if you never contribute
2. even if they are town they aren't very helpful
unless someone makes a very good case for someone else or wants to vote one of these people with me I'll probably just leave my vote on VE because it looks like he isn't going to get lynched and (I think) we need to vote for at least somebody I really agree with what Chocolate said about Onegu, save that the lurking is so obvious (and lurking is such a classic mafia play, as I understand anyway) that he would be mad to play like this if he were actually mafia. Still, I'm leaning towards voting for him just because I don't think there's any totally slam-dunk targets today and if we mislynch on him, at least we won't be losing anyone who is being a useful townie. Obviously I'm not saying that I want a mislynch, just saying that statistically the likelihood is quite high that we will, so we should take town-contribution into account as well when voting. Some people sort of defended him earlier, saying that this was just his usual play style when he was town. Can we hear from those people again, just to get their read now we're going into the first night? Bad post - seems to look like trying to go for an Onegu Mislynch in my opinion, try to start a bandwagon. Is this from a town who doesn't like Onegu or a scum trying a wagon away from GG or Chocolate? I know Onegu isn't playing great, but he will shine his moments when need be or we can worry about him tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Onegu thinks Chocolate and Milo are town though. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 01:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I would like Scott's thoughts on my analysis of why the 'Chezinu rule' which he spent a great deal of thought on this game applies and points to 'Tictock' as scum pushing on Ritoky-Chezinu, not myself as scum pushing on Tictock-Chezinu. I didn't spend a whole lot of thought, I copy/pasted most of what it was about from another thread. Your vote (and you never did really vote) was fairly early and seemed to be of starting a wagon going early. Do you know what I mean? Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
If we policy lynch id rather lynch SL than oneg though because oneg has tl family things I would agree because I do not see SL being re-motivated, but I'd rather not vote him today either unless you aren't seeing bigger fish.
Fidei didn't know how Onegu played, I have. I had more of a read on Onegu then Fidei at the time - Fidei sounded like he was trying to start a stir on him without calling him out, which was suspicious to me.
He then tries to get rid of the unvote with a conspiracy theory.
My attempt (since both posts have a :59 timestamp) was to possibility determine the number of seconds in between then, since the website does not show that. There were four posts in between on all of TL. You have been acting scummy since the unvote night one and have been attempting to ride it until the wheels fall off. It's not going to work.
And uses it to push another town read on Onegu.
On June 11 2015 15:19 scott31337 wrote:
Milo with this carry fucking unvote sucks
NHM and Onegu are useless but I have to go with Onegu town to make this work
On June 11 2015 16:41 scott31337 wrote:
Tictock who do you want to lynch tomorrow?
He hopes to get Ticktock to help push a mislynch, but fails because Ticktock reads him scum.
Where do you get this from? Please help me understand.
On June 11 2015 17:39 scott31337 wrote:
If Tictock dies -
## Damdred/VE/Fiei86
If I die -
Tictock/Onegu/Milo
if Onegu dies -
Damdred/Milo/VE
If Damdred dies -
NHM/Onegu/Fidei86
If VE dies
Damdred/Milo/Fidei
If Milo dies
Damdred/VE/Onegu (doubtful)
If Fidei dies
Onegu/
If NHM dies
Why do I keep forgetting about NHM?
NHM needs to die.
THIS POST IS SO DUMB. TOWN WOULD NEVER POST THIS.
I had about 12 beers at the time and was upset about how the game was running. I take full responsibility for being a derp with that post.
On June 12 2015 13:48 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 13:40 Damdred wrote:
Because I'm not completely sold on Ticktock yet, and I'm trying to line up votes to avoid shenanigan plans.
For Onegu? I have to basically go on an instinct that he is town at this moment for the above reason or the games over anyway. .....
(Responses in bold above)
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Ok back again for a solid bit of time tonight. Starting to get my house situation sorted out so will have more time to put into this game again. Also I will be around for EoD this time.
So my personal opinion is still that Scott and Onegu are the scumteam here, with an outside chance that Milo is scum and I'm wrong about one of the other two. I'm going to make an attempt tonight to slim down possibilities so that town can focus on the right people.
Right now I just wanted to summarize where I see this game sitting.
At the moment it seems that the two main scum teams being considered is either Milo/TT or Scott/Onegu. I'm not sure thats the end of it, but that seems to be the main teams in discussion.
Thus far we have Scott voting Milo, based on his case. I'll revist this case in a later post. I don't think it's bad, and I may actually be willing to lynch Milo today but I'm not not convinced yet.
Scott is also scumming me, but I don't see much reasoning for this. Besides what I've mentioned before and argued against. I have to imagine he realizes he doesn't have a real case on me that's why he's pushing Milo today. Also it prob helps that Damdred said Milo should be lynched today and he was the NK.
I honestly don't know where Onegu stands. I asked him last night what his reads are after he suddenly flipped his Damdred read but he didn't have anything to share but more thoughts related to Damdred. The only thing I know for sure about Onegu is that he is hard reading Scott as town (and Scott is doing the same to him).
VE and Milo seem to be considering possibilities right now, and I'm not very sure where they stand on things.
And then there is me...
VE and Milo look like they have to be town to me here, as they are the ones trying to look at the game. Onegu is still a bundle of Null who at this point shared fewer thoughts or reads than Milo. Scott looks like he is scum trying to push his last potential mislynches and is somewhat flailing to explain why his world makes sense.
I'd like to remind Town of the case on Scott brought up by Damdred. My own (partial) read into Scott's filter followed by my conclusions. I also made a counter to Scotts "I'm Town" case...
I'm very tempted to just vote Scott here, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I place my vote.
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On June 15 2015 14:05 Tictock wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ok back again for a solid bit of time tonight. Starting to get my house situation sorted out so will have more time to put into this game again. Also I will be around for EoD this time.
So my personal opinion is still that Scott and Onegu are the scumteam here, with an outside chance that Milo is scum and I'm wrong about one of the other two. I'm going to make an attempt tonight to slim down possibilities so that town can focus on the right people.
Right now I just wanted to summarize where I see this game sitting.
At the moment it seems that the two main scum teams being considered is either Milo/TT or Scott/Onegu. I'm not sure thats the end of it, but that seems to be the main teams in discussion.
Thus far we have Scott voting Milo, based on his case. I'll revist this case in a later post. I don't think it's bad, and I may actually be willing to lynch Milo today but I'm not not convinced yet. [b]So you go from this - Scott is also scumming me, but I don't see much reasoning for this. Besides what I've mentioned before and argued against. I have to imagine he realizes he doesn't have a real case on me that's why he's pushing Milo today. Also it prob helps that Damdred said Milo should be lynched today and he was the NK. I honestly don't know where Onegu stands. I asked him last night what his reads are after he suddenly flipped his Damdred read but he didn't have anything to share but more thoughts related to Damdred. The only thing I know for sure about Onegu is that he is hard reading Scott as town (and Scott is doing the same to him). VE and Milo seem to be considering possibilities right now, and I'm not very sure where they stand on things. And then there is me... VE and Milo look like they have to be town to me here, as they are the ones trying to look at the game. Onegu is still a bundle of Null who at this point shared fewer thoughts or reads than Milo. Scott looks like he is scum trying to push his last potential mislynches and is somewhat flailing to explain why his world makes sense. I'd like to remind Town of the case on Scott brought up by Damdred. My own (partial) read into Scott's filter followed by my conclusions. I also made a counter to Scotts "I'm Town" case... I'm very tempted to just vote Scott here, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I place my vote. [/spoiler][/spoiler]
So all in the same post, you are saying my case is not bad, could lynch Milo - to very tempted to vote Scott here? This doesn't make any sense. It just sounds like you are taking note of the case, but blowing it off. You have to.
On your point of -
Scott is also scumming me, but I don't see much reasoning for this. Besides what I've mentioned before and argued against. I have to imagine he realizes he doesn't have a real case on me that's why he's pushing Milo today. Also it prob helps that Damdred said Milo should be lynched today and he was the NK.
Process of elimination. I've been weird on you still alive for a long time, especially when Day 4 came. You have to get me mislynched today. if Milo gets lynched and flips scum you're fucked and you know this.
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Ok, so I wanted to make an attempt to think through all possible scumteams today, and see which ones make no sense so we can throw them out. As far as I'm concered there is no way to confirm anyone as Town right now (no more Blue Roles & no Night actions to factor in) that means we should focus on eliminating as many scum teams as we can.
VE/?? - Very Slim chance of VE/Scott. Nothing else makes sense. I'm almost certain VE is town since the world of VE and Scott being scum here is very hard to believe.
+ Show Spoiler +Any team besides VE/Scott makes no sense since VE could have swapped off Nydus back to Scott with Nydus and won the game.
I have a hard time seeing VE/Scott as a team though since VE was willing to vote on Scott really early on. Why would VE want to bus Scott so early on if they were a team? Seems like they could have easily pushed on Damdred with Nydus and Onegu, especially since Milo and I were potentially voting Dam early on (Milo did in fact).
Would this scumteam decide to bus Scott early on based on Damdred's case? It seems unlikely since they know Onegu is voting Damdred.
Scott/TT - posted for Lol's. Yea we ain't a scumteam hard bussing each other in triple LyLo... Besides we both would have been on Damdred if this were a possibility. Similar reasoning as to why VE/Scott doesn't add up.
Onegu/Milo - I threw this idea out earlier today as a spitball idea. This team doesn't add up since Onegu could have switched to Scott EoD for the win.
Scott/Milo - Would Milo hammer his scummate before going AFK? Doesn't make sense when he could easily vote Dam again.
Scott/Onegu - This is the world I believe we are in. I explained how the voting makes sense in this post for this team. Onegu and Scott hard town reading each other going into today supports them being on a team as well.
Onegu/TT - Once again, Onegu simply switches to Scott EoD and wins the game. Not a team.
Milo/TT - Both of us were AFK EoD so our votes remained on Scott where we put them before Nydus ever becomes a wagon. In this world our scummate Nydus decides to swap to Scott with us in a futile attempt to do ... what? Clearly Nydus is getting lynched at this point so moving his vote has to have a reason. Unless you think Milo and myself were actually in QT and not AFK and this was some elaborate scheme we devised to have Nydus side with us last min and therefore make it too obvious we are a team... Or in the reality where Milo and Myself are likely AFK at this point, why would Nydus make this switch last min on his own?
I honestly thought I had better reasons to think Scott and Milo are a team here, but now that i look things over I have to admit that Milo/TT and Scott/Onegu are the only teams that make sense here. There is a very, VERY, slim chance that VE/Scott is a team here as well. I have a hard time buying that team since I'm still reading VE as town.
Thus, I have to conclude that Scott is 100% mafia here and while Onegu is most likely his partner there is a very slim chance that VE is scum here as well.. I don't buy that world, but town should be willing to look at it.
Please let me know if I missed a possible team here, or a solid reason why one of these teams doesn't make sense + Show Spoiler +I was only really looking at D4 voting logic here
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@ Scott
Well since I'm town, I'm not certain about anybody atm. That's why I prefer to backup my claims with actual logic and reasoning.
If it weren't for my team logic I just posted I would still be considering Milo possible scum. However I clearly can't accept the world where he and I are a scum team since I know better and that leaves you and Onegu. (or that weird world where VE is willing to bus you early D4 but then Nydus volunteers to take that lynch instead of you after Damdred brings up Nydus as a lynch).
Humm, actually if you guys were willing to bus each other going into D4 it would make the switch to Nydus make a lot more sense even given the somewhat short 17min time frame between Damdred suggesting the idea and you running with it. I'll admit 17 min isn't a huge window to plan out a what I'm suggesting, but it is possible, and the details dont have to have been solid during those 17min. Just the idea in that time being mentioned in the QT and I can see you guys running with it, working out the details as you go.
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EBWOP
On June 15 2015 15:17 Tictock wrote:
@ Scott
Well since I'm town, I'm not certain about anybody else atm. That's why I prefer to backup my claims with actual logic and reasoning.
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I am sure about you now.
##Vote: Scott
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Day 5 Vote Count
milo109 (1): Scott
Scott (1): Tictock
Not voting: VisceraEyes, milo109
Currently, milo109 is set to be executed. Day 5 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is located here.
Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill.
Failure to vote once will result in a warning.
Failure to vote twice will result in a modkill.
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On June 15 2015 14:22 scott31337 wrote:
Process of elimination. I've been weird on you still alive for a long time, especially when Day 4 came. You have to get me mislynched today. if Milo gets lynched and flips scum you're fucked and you know this.
And town loses the game... Which is also something worth fighting against. From either side, this is the game today. Calling Ticktock scum for defending me works equally well on Onegu defending you.
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I've made my choice. Every world scott tries to present fails. He was trying to fearmonger for the last two days, he tried to lynch Damdred with Onegu yesterday, and today he's trying to lynch milo, someone who could have won yesterday if he were mafia.
If scott is town, I honestly don't know what to say but I'm sorry, but I honestly believe the team is scott/Onegu at this point. I think I nailed it yesterday when I called this team out.
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Look over my filter bud, do you see it from a town perspective? Look in the past days. Does it make sense? Have you already? If I was mafia, why would I shoot Damdred who had a lot more open mind, instead of you who seemed more at my head?
I wish I had more that Onegu I could go on, if I could show he's town, it would throw out this magic bus theory you have, right?
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On June 16 2015 00:15 scott31337 wrote:
If I was mafia, why would I shoot Damdred who had a lot more open mind, instead of you who seemed more at my head?
To try and frame me.
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Sigh guess we lost scott. VE is being crazy if he actually thinks I am scum this game.
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Damdred is fucking lynched if I was scum this game, No way I ever move off of him. and then my scummates hammer him if I am scum with scott and NHM
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Day 4 Vote Count
Damdred (1): Onegu, Scott, milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (2): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, milo109
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
VE be smart. If me and scott are scum and move to damdred its 3-1-2 with damdred being lynched. Use your brain
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On June 16 2015 00:47 Onegu wrote:
Day 4 Vote Count
Damdred (1): Onegu, Scott, milo109, NydusHerMain
Scott (2): Damdred, VisceraEyes, Tictock, milo109
Tictock (0): Scott
NydusHerMain(4): Damdred, Scott, VisceraEyes, Onegu
VE be smart. If me and scott are scum and move to damdred its 3-1-2 with damdred being lynched. Use your brain
Unless Damdred and VE both move back too.
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Me and scott were both around EoD we tell hosts we are switching at 30 sec to deadline and fucking switch and there is nothing town can do about it. I would be the worst fucking mafia player on this site if I was scum this game and didnt do it.
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We do it last second when they dont have a fucking chance to do it.
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On June 16 2015 00:49 Onegu wrote:
Me and scott were both around EoD we tell hosts we are switching at 30 sec to deadline and fucking switch and there is nothing town can do about it. I would be the worst fucking mafia player on this site if I was scum this game and didnt do it.
Town could also... freaking.. switch. That's the point of a separate voting thread. If that's the only argument for you being town... it sucks.
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On June 16 2015 00:50 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 00:49 Onegu wrote:
Me and scott were both around EoD we tell hosts we are switching at 30 sec to deadline and fucking switch and there is nothing town can do about it. I would be the worst fucking mafia player on this site if I was scum this game and didnt do it. Town could also... freaking.. switch. That's the point of a separate voting thread. If that's the only argument for you being town... it sucks.
Town cant coordinate, scum can. Scum just says ok we are going to switch last second and damdred is lynched.
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On June 14 2015 05:33 Damdred wrote:
Ad long as you are here ve I have a tab open for last second vote switch.
Though it's scary but tt is wielding me out a bit to
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