Generic Boring Mini Mafia

On May 18 2015 05:04 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: Damdred

Mafia-ish opening.

Does anyone know how to turn back to mobile mode? I turned website mode again, and AGAIN I can't find the reverse button.

On May 18 2015 06:25 Palmar wrote:
##vote damdred

100% mafia.

On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
/in

Gonna try a different approach

On September 12 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't like your idea. I understand it, but I don't like it. You're being too careless here. Making a list and not caring much for mislynches is irresponsible. It makes game easier to mafia, there will be less effort from town and we will have more chances of mislynching townies.

I think you might be mafia for considering it. Being careless, specially now at late game, is pretty much a mafia mindset.

On May 18 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Shockey, have you played on these forums before?

On May 19 2015 01:20 GlowingBear wrote:
What do you think of shockey's bad push on me?

On May 19 2015 01:24 Damdred wrote:
I think I commented on shockey initially and he still hasn't bothered to flag out call you mafia which is just bad, his throwing accusations without actually believing them is horrible.

On May 19 2015 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:
So, is Shockey Mafia? The only thing he has done was trying to discredit me with bad reasoning, and fucked off. I think he said he wouldn't have time this morning but it's like 6pm in the UK.

On May 19 2015 02:52 GlowingBear wrote:


You point out earlier that I instantly vote, comparing it to Palmar's vote, like it is scummy. Then you point out again that I instantly vote, but understands it was for discussion driving only. So why even pointing that out as scummy? And why not raising suspicions on Palmar, for instance? I'm your only scum read as far as I know.

Regarding the veteran claim, it was a joke. You should be able to see it because it was a direct answer to stutters "don't claim unnecessarily" thing. Also, you also admit I could be town trying to take a shot, so I have no idea why are you pointing this out again.

Your opinion on my list post is wrong since you say I only copy paste openings, when that's not it. I was also the first one to bring suspicions on sciberbia, so I do bring something new. Bad reason again. This means you didn't even read something you called me scum for

Then you bring something from pre game to call me Mafia, before I even know my alignment. Sounds like a joke but... Who knows...

On May 18 2015 17:33 Palmar wrote:
Here's a listpost. The following people are on my shitlist.

Onegu
GlowingBear
Zealos

shitlist has nothing to do with being mafia, although of course it's possible to both be shitter and mafia. But these people should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment.

Thank you!

On May 19 2015 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:
Then why did you ignore that he clearly said shitlist and it had nothing to do with being mafia?

On May 19 2015 05:23 sciberbia wrote:


@ShoCkeyy
What puzzles me here is that your entire filter seems to consist of you building up suspicion against GB, and then you conclude by saying you will vote for either Palmar or Obi. What do you mean by "I won't truly know until Palmar is gone"?

On May 19 2015 05:26 GlowingBear wrote:


Heh. I've already debunked ALL your arguments against me. You don't even directly attack my post and just says I'm on your list.

You simply decided I'm Mafia and found reasons to call me so. You didn't see weird posts THEN decided I'm Mafia.

So you think obi has been useless, but why not even mention Vivax here?

On May 19 2015 01:13 Vivax wrote:
In case anyone's interested I'm leaning scum on Palmar and Obi.

Just from past things and a little re-skim

On May 19 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:


Shockey, address to this directly, please.

On May 19 2015 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:

I poked at both of you due to opening posts but Palmar has been gone since early today, hard to read. I just find it funny that you posted that joke post to start discussion, Palmar instantly votes for damdred as his opening post, talks smack then leaves with this as one of his last posts:

On May 18 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Shockey, have you played on these forums before?

On May 19 2015 07:08 sciberbia wrote:

OK I don't know whether you have ever played with Palmar, but I have, and I can tell you that it is very likely a coincidence that he has copied two of GB's votes. By putting GB on his shitlist, Palmar has effectively said that in his opinion, GB "should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment". Now why would Palmar copy votes from a player that he thinks is useless? He wouldn't do this even if he were mafia. If he were going to copy votes, he would at least copy them from a player he thinks is good.

I think you are reading far too much into Palmar's "shit list". Palmar put people on the list because in his opinion they have said stupid things and therefore should not be listened to. As Palmar said, it is completely irrelevant to them being mafia or not.




ShoCkey these two quotes are completely inconsistent. Like, your entire stance on GB and Palmar is baffling and needs to be clarified. You say that you have built suspicions against GB, but his guilt will only truly be confirmed once Palmar is confirmed as mafia. But then you say that maybe Palmar and Obi are mafia but GB is just a vocal townie.

So what's the deal?

On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
/in

Gonna try a different approach

On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me

On May 19 2015 07:43 GlowingBear wrote:
You have to think how mafia would act.

Do you think mafia would act aggressively, having a vocal player choosing a target early on and having ALL HIS TEAM locking in the target? Or do you think mafia would let town try to ruin themselves and instigate confusion?
I find myself more likely to be completely disconnected from the game, having my own reads and tunneling, or completely instigating wrong reads instead of leading them. I would never hard align with my team mates on early day1.

On May 19 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote:
That's nonsensical though, that's like saying if I flip mafia scib is mafia because we are thread bros.

On May 19 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other.

For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town.

The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads.

Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting.

On May 18 2015 12:34 Damdred wrote:

GB is kinda weird now though idk what he's doing

On May 19 2015 00:01 Damdred wrote:
Good you now think the towniest person in the thread is town, nice.

Anyeay I don't think GB is mafia just a town

On May 19 2015 08:47 sciberbia wrote:


Dude this doesn't make any sense. If you are town, really think about what you are saying here.

According to premise 1: if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia. Let's assume that is true.

Now in scenario 2 where Obi flips mafia, Palmar is mafia and GB is town. This is logically inconsistent with premise 1, which states that if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia.

Like imagine both Obi and Palmar are mafia. Now what you are essentially saying is that GB is mafia if and only if we lynch Palmar before Obi, which doesn't make any sense.

On May 19 2015 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:


Let's get this further.

Why?

On May 19 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
I think the lynch is around obi/shocker and maybe palmar, I suppose?

On May 19 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote:
Actually its a general heuristic that the person with the most posts or one of the biggest filters and is involved in everything is generally town and shouldn't be lynched day 1. Besides a select few players who are the best at being mafia it is a good general rule of thumb.

I'm giving you excellent advice of how mafia teams generally work, if you get one you do not want to be lined up and super associated or else the entire team will go down in quick succession and the game will be lost.

Also constant re-evaluation and involved in everything is a highly sought after town role, and this is so much town for gb that its not even funny.

You also ignore a lot of points just to make a joke out of a couple of points. You don't even think GB is mafia as you have said so i'm not sure why you are making light of what i'm saying.

On May 19 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shockey have you played elsewhere before?

On May 19 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote:
I have no idea if I actually want to lynch you Spock. I voted you because you quoted a random post from Vivax and said that it somehow swayed you towards me and Obi which was completely retarded.

On May 19 2015 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

you are not a "very active town", dont kid yourself.

If you assume that associations dont exist, why are they scum?

On May 19 2015 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

THATS NOT A FUCKING LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT MAN.

Also, you have the burden to prove that they are scum, not the other way around.

Your connection/association thing is bonkers, is there anything else behind that?

On May 19 2015 14:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I shouldn't even try to argue: I townread Palmar or back off of him for awful reasons literally all the time and I don't trust myself to read him fairly.

On May 20 2015 00:34 Vivax wrote:
Can we get a wagon on Obi within the time I'm away? You going to push it Shockey?

On May 20 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude you said my list post is just a copy paste of openings when it has way more information in it. You also said it brings nothing new to the table when it was the first post to raise suspicions on sciberbia

And when I show you this, you don't take a step back.

Tell me this: if Damdred IS Mafia, how does it changes your reads?

On May 20 2015 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There's not even a case there. It's like...Just a bunch of random things based on me being lazy/casual and trying to sell it as a scumtell.

On May 18 2015 13:11 GlowingBear wrote:

I never said he is, although he is. Just posting nonsensical scumreads without good reasoning or any reasoning at all

Why does it matter and what do you think of what I've just said?

On May 20 2015 00:52 GlowingBear wrote:


I've showed how WEIRD that interaction between sciberbia and Damdred was. Sciberbia saying that Damdred had good reasoning without when Damdred's reasoning was very flawed was horrible.

"Damdred isn't mafia, so it doesn't change my reads"

Please.
If you guys don't lynch this guy today I will be mad.

On May 20 2015 00:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No it isn't?

On May 20 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I don't know what my voting pattern says about anything.

Me voting you after a bunch of others jumped on you on how your reasoning doesn't make any sense is scummy? How?

On May 20 2015 01:12 GlowingBear wrote:


So what if they hard aligned in the beginning of the game, like GLOWINGBEAR, PALMAR AND OBI, THAT YOU ARE CALLING MAFIA FOR

ARGH.

Town, pls.

On May 20 2015 01:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


It would imply that I agree with the other people voting you, no?
How do you tell the difference between mafia and lazy town?

On May 20 2015 23:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm sober now

Extremely hangover, but sober

Palmar is Mafia.

On May 20 2015 19:55 sciberbia wrote:
This post will be a lot of interesting observations and no real conclusions. I'm hoping someone else can tell me what to make of these observations.

---

The start of the Vivax wagon is really bizarre. There are 0 votes on Vivax and the lynch seems to be coming down to Shockey vs Obi. Then, Palmar makes a case on Vivax, and shortly thereafter, 4 votes drop on Vivax within the span of 2 minutes of each other: Damdred --> Stutters --> Palmar --> Obi

GB makes a good point that Damdred's vote is questionable. Idk if Damdred is scum, because there were serveral things in his filter I thought were townie, but the vote is definitely a bit odd. He had scumreads on shockey, zealos, and obi which he never backed down from, yet he just kinda organizes this voteswitch onto vivax out of nowhere.

Stutters, having not said jack shit about Vivax all day, sheeps Palmar's case.

Palmar then drops his vote at Damdred's prompting. So, the previous leading candidate was Obi/Shockey. Palmar never even looks at my case on Obi or mentions Obi at all. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred, his other top scumread, is the one organizing the switch onto Vivax. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred is voting Vivax out of nowhere. Kinda sketchy. Like I'm not expecting Palmar to unvote Vivax just because Damdred voted him. But I would have expected Palmar to least raise eyebrows at Damdred's behavior. Instead, he just seems happy to have another disciple for his Vivax case.

Lastly, Obi who is clearly trying very hard not to get lynched and paying close attention to the vote count, has left his vote on the Shockey counterwagon to himself until he is assured that the Vivax counterwagon is strong enough. Then he switches his vote.

---

I still kinda think Obi is mafia. Don't really know about Damdred/Palmar/Stutters, as I have reasons to think each of them are town. I think everyone should go back and look at how the Vivax wagon formed though. It just seems really weird to me and makes me think there could have been multiple mafia on it.

On May 20 2015 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

A) I questioned stutters before I changed my read on Damdred.
B) It doesn't fucking matter.

As for me being more active when I have votes on me, it's almost like I'm trying not to be lynched. :o

On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote:
Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win.

##Vote Obi

Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time.

On May 20 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote:
I'm genuinely mad at him for being town.

On May 19 2015 00:00 Zealos wrote:

RE: ObiWanShinobi
I think it's pretty useless to make much of a read on him yet. I want him to post more, but during the first day it's hard to say whether inactivity is disinterest in day 1 or whether its something more scummy.

Comparing him to Palmar, I feel like Palmar is more destructive than Obi.

On May 21 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Shockey, who is scum now since 2 of your scumreads flipped town?

On May 21 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


How is that purely scum motivated?

On May 21 2015 15:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
It's not a conspiracy theory.
There's no conspiracy theory.
There's just nothing there.

On May 22 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Am not scum.

On May 20 2015 23:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not mafia, though.

D:

On May 18 2015 07:47 Zealos wrote:
I'm not actually voting btw

On May 18 2015 15:40 Zealos wrote:
I really don't have much time this morning, and I'll post more when I get back from work in 8 or so hours. BUT, can we take a moment to discuss how dodgy Palmar has been so far??
He literally just jumps in, stirs up some random direction of conversation (Normally saying something that someone else has suggested) then just leaving the thread again??
He's got 6 posts, yet has "confirmed" 2/3 of the mafia team? wat?
I want to cross check this against another game, but until I have some time to do it, he's my strongest scumread.

On May 19 2015 00:00 Zealos wrote:

RE: ObiWanShinobi
I think it's pretty useless to make much of a read on him yet. I want him to post more, but during the first day it's hard to say whether inactivity is disinterest in day 1 or whether its something more scummy.

Comparing him to Palmar, I feel like Palmar is more destructive than Obi.

On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote:
Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win.

##Vote Obi

Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time.

On May 18 2015 17:33 Palmar wrote:
Here's a listpost. The following people are on my shitlist.

Onegu
GlowingBear
Zealos

shitlist has nothing to do with being mafia, although of course it's possible to both be shitter and mafia. But these people should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment.

Thank you!

On May 18 2015 07:40 sciberbia wrote:
##vote Zealos

Best read for mafia so far. He does a ton of filter-diving on Damdred to make it look like he's hardcore contributing, but he's super wishy-washy in his conclusions. Just look at the amount of hedging his bets here:






Like why even post all your research if you are this unsure in your conclusions? Looks like a good candidate for someone who is trying to look like they are contributing but isn't.

On May 23 2015 04:29 GlowingBear wrote:
HOW THE FUCK YOU AGREE WITH ME, THEN THE GUY MAKES THE EASIEST CASE IN THE GAME, YOU -SEE- IT'S FOR SURVIVAL BUT YOU VOTE ZEALOS, TRUFFLE?

HOW COME?

HOW?

I WILL BATHE IN KITTENS BLOOD IF YOU GUYS LYNCH ZEALOS FIRST

On May 23 2015 04:57 Qwerty! wrote:
Onegu, look at ShoCkeyy's play this past hour.

"Here, look at what I did! Lynch my target now!
[afk for half hour]
Lynch my target!
[afk again]"

The amount that he cares about actually pushing his lynch target isn't consistent with the words that he says. It isn't consistent with his posts,and it isn't consistent witha town mindset.

Please.

On May 23 2015 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:


YEA CAUSE I CAN SEE THE SCUMMY PLAY AND ITS NOT FOR SURVIVAL, ITS FOR FINAL POST IF I WERE TO GET LYNCHED AND WHEN I FLIPPED TOWN, AT LEAST YOU HAD CLUES TO THE NEXT LYNCH. LIKE I WORK AND I TRY TO POST AS MUCH AS I CAN TO WIN.

On May 23 2015 05:16 Qwerty! wrote:
Don't you see how inconsistent he is being...

He acts like he cares about making the right reads. He acts like he cares about the lynch.

He goes afk and only jumps in once in a while to respond to people scumreading him.

He makes a case to survive, then is upset when his target flips town.

It's pretty straight forward.

On May 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so, let's go.

I think the team is Damdred / Shockey / The Shining.

Regarding Damdred, summed up to the points I've brought earlier: he has no intention into getting organised with town. I'm saying this because Damdred points out I am tunneled in him. But if he knows I'm town, instead of showing me how I'm wrong and actually trying to work with me, he prefers to call me bad and tease me. It's just uncharacteristic for town Damdred to do something like this. If he has me as town, I'd expect him to try to work with me, and not berate my reads. He limits himself to discredit all my reads, all my gameplay, instead convincing me my other reads are also wrong and that Zealos is a better lynch. This is scum causing confusion and discrediting townies, trying to disorganise town.

I will NEVER change this read on Damdred. But Damdred has a big filter. That's all he has for call him town. And there are some attempts to read people that could be coming from town. COULD. But if you evaluate his overall gameplay, you will see an uninspiring filter. Tell me what are Damdred's scumreads after Zealos flipped scum. I have no idea.

But I'm not pursuing this matter anymore. If you think Damdred is more like a null, FINE. He played well as scum if he is. Let him live more days. But make sure to revisit him.

But do not let Shockey survive any longer. There are plenty of reasons for why he is scum, and not a single reasonable reason to why he is town. GO AGAINST HIM.

And even if you would prefer going for the 3rd instead of Damdred, FINE. The third is someone between The Shining/Truffle/Stutters.
The Shining's EoD2 is extremely opportunistic. After having being universally townread, his activity drops like hell, like he is comfortable with not being up for the lynch. Although he explicitly says he doesn't like day1, his day2 was also lackluster without any real excuses. Then he comes at EOD because he has to vote, and instead consolidating in a wagon, he DISRUPTS town organisation suggesting another wagon 20 minutes before deadline.

If The Shining is town, go for Truffle. Voting patterns are weird.

If Mafia doesn't have a roleblocker (I find impossible), then Stutters is dead today for being obvious blue.

Then you ask Damdred regarding his role, just in case.

I had more to talk about but I forgot

On May 24 2015 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


He already explained it. You would know if you actually bothered to read the thread at any point.

On May 24 2015 03:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No. Read the fucking thread.

On May 24 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shockey I am not holding your hand at all this game. I want you to be aware of how completely fucked you are if you don't obvtown this thread up in the next few hours.

I am perfectly willing to sink this game by killing you tomorrow regardless of your alignment and you being a lazy shit is not helping your case. You have been the counterwagon to town TWICE and both times your "associative analysis" has been opportunistic and incorrect by calling me the same alignment as three different confirmed townies, which is completely useless and never seems to affect your opinion on anything.

You don't reanalyze your thought process.
Nothing that happens ever seems to change your reads.
You don't give a shit about what anyone says about anything except maybe yourself.
You're not reading the thread.

Everyone left aside from maybe ONE person wants you dead, and he's pretty much the only reason that you're still here. Get to work.

On May 26 2015 00:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You are in no position to question me about anything.

Tell me who is mafia and why.

On May 18 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
I'm disappointed in you Palmar, you've never caught me like that and you never will.

Besides if you lynch me here you have to share the headline with GB, and do you really want that

On May 18 2015 13:28 Damdred wrote:
My reasoning o. Palmar isn't that weak lol

On May 19 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote:
If all activity remains the same with content we lynch in the order of

Ze, shock, obi

Maybe switch shock and obi. And policy for shining and palmar if we go that direction

On May 20 2015 01:55 Damdred wrote:
I might be ok lynching vivax today, I'm not positive I want to lynch obi today

On May 23 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote:
That was a good post by shockey. Don't lynch him

On May 26 2015 01:27 Damdred wrote:
I'm awake now. I've been scum reading trfel since n1 obi when he was so sure vivax was town over nothing and switched off the vivax wagon onto you I believe.

It is interesting that shockey was so sure I'm town in previous postings and he he showed a propensity for sticking to his guns 100% and not caring what anyone said past that point but here he shows....idk a wanting to jump to follow trfel?

On May 26 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
It is also interesting at a cursory look in trfels filter the way he treats you obi. Look at the progression on the read

D1 I'd rather lynch obi today. Omg vivax is town everyone switch to obi
N1 Obi is lock scum. Well I'm not so confident obi is scul anymore
d2 to now. No real talking about any type of feeling about obi instead begs obi to switch to me when he should probably still be wary.

I think the main point is the lack there of fear today of you obi, and the shift and lack of follow up on you just seems weird to me.

On May 26 2015 01:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Why am I town?

On May 25 2015 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred you just listed me and Shockey on the same scumteam.

On May 26 2015 01:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


That doesn't answer my question.

@Damdred: I don't have time to talk about anyone else, I've got work soon and I'm about to shower and stuff.

On May 24 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Shockey I am not holding your hand at all this game. I want you to be aware of how completely fucked you are if you don't obvtown this thread up in the next few hours.

I am perfectly willing to sink this game by killing you tomorrow regardless of your alignment and you being a lazy shit is not helping your case. You have been the counterwagon to town TWICE and both times your "associative analysis" has been opportunistic and incorrect by calling me the same alignment as three different confirmed townies, which is completely useless and never seems to affect your opinion on anything.

You don't reanalyze your thought process.
Nothing that happens ever seems to change your reads.
You don't give a shit about what anyone says about anything except maybe yourself.
You're not reading the thread.

Everyone left aside from maybe ONE person wants you dead, and he's pretty much the only reason that you're still here. Get to work.

On May 24 2015 03:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Eh, I'm not too worried about it. If you're town, one of us is dead. If they think you're a medic, you're dead. If they think I'm a medic, I'm dead. It'll work itself out. If we're both alive somehow, I'll elaborate tomorrow, but there are valid points in my case.

On May 26 2015 04:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Has stutters still not claimed his fucking role?

On May 26 2015 04:16 Qwerty! wrote:
ShoCkeyy, please vote in the voting thread.

ObiWanShinobi, can you not see how he is twisting things here? He hasn't quoted any of the answers that I asked for, which he claims to have already given. Instead, he's accusing me of claiming other people's arguments as my own, while I haven't claimed a single thing on my own. The only thing that I'm claiming is a desire to get Damdred lynched.

On May 26 2015 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Questions for players and observers alike:

1. Aside from the balance, what aspects of the hosting for this game specifically could be improved upon and which aspects were done well?

2. Do you prefer setups that are open, semi-open, or closed? Why?

3. I usually have at least one person asking to be spoiled while observing. Do you think it's a good idea to have a separate obs chat for those who want to be spoiled and one where spoilers are not allowed? Is the risk of cheating too great for it to be worthwhile?

4. Assuming it's balanced would you prefer a game with many roles that are weak (mason/inno child/vet/parity cop/watcher etc) or a game with fewer strong roles (cop/vig/doctor/jk etc) on the town side?

5. Not modkilling for activity; should I start doing that?