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Just super awkward way to say you're a vet. From my knowledge, most vets would come out and say they're vet after they were shot for the first time. By you saying you're vet, instantly either tells me you're mafia or just a townie trying to take a hit. I don't want to vote yet, but I just wanted to throw that out there for everyone else. Also Damdred does have some bad posts, but he just seems like he's defending himself against early accusations. | ||
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Check this out: GB's first post when the game started: On May 18 2015 05:04 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote: Damdred Mafia-ish opening. Does anyone know how to turn back to mobile mode? I turned website mode again, and AGAIN I can't find the reverse button. Palmar's first post when the game started: On May 18 2015 06:25 Palmar wrote: ##vote damdred 100% mafia. Both of them going after you before even trying to state why you're mafia, I'm not protecting you, but it just seems weird for both of them to have the same opening post in the game. While GB has brought contribution to the thread, Palmar has not, but went ahead of voted for you along with GB. Either they're a team or Palmar is just riding off of GB's posts. Both of them are fishy. | ||
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Instantly votes (to drive discussion ok) Says he's Vet on first day (weird) List of people (Creates a list of people in the game who he thinks may be mafia or townie, which didn't really bring anything to the table. It was just copy and paste of some of people's opening posts). To me, it can either be he's trying to drive away any finger pointing to himself or he's really some one has that has a role. On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: /in Gonna try a different approach What if that different approach is being mafia? On September 12 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote: I don't like your idea. I understand it, but I don't like it. You're being too careless here. Making a list and not caring much for mislynches is irresponsible. It makes game easier to mafia, there will be less effort from town and we will have more chances of mislynching townies. I think you might be mafia for considering it. Being careless, specially now at late game, is pretty much a mafia mindset. | ||
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On May 18 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote: Shockey, have you played on these forums before? Yea, it's been over 5 years ago though a lot of things changed it seems, not going to lie, I don't even know some of the words you guys are using as references (plynches, sheeping?) On May 19 2015 01:20 GlowingBear wrote: What do you think of shockey's bad push on me? On May 19 2015 01:24 Damdred wrote: I think I commented on shockey initially and he still hasn't bothered to flag out call you mafia which is just bad, his throwing accusations without actually believing them is horrible. Also bad push? Why would it be a bad push? No one has questioned you yet on any of your posts. Just cause I'm throwing accusations doesn't mean I don't believe them. I don't want to put scum on some one with out having proper evidence, GB has yet to try and refute my accusations, just calls them bad which furthers my belief and I have still yet to vote. On May 19 2015 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: So, is Shockey Mafia? The only thing he has done was trying to discredit me with bad reasoning, and fucked off. I think he said he wouldn't have time this morning but it's like 6pm in the UK. So by questioning you, I'm instantly mafia, good logic. I work and never said I wouldn't have time this morning, that was yesterday when I had to pick up my wife from work. | ||
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On May 19 2015 02:52 GlowingBear wrote: You point out earlier that I instantly vote, comparing it to Palmar's vote, like it is scummy. Then you point out again that I instantly vote, but understands it was for discussion driving only. So why even pointing that out as scummy? And why not raising suspicions on Palmar, for instance? I'm your only scum read as far as I know. Regarding the veteran claim, it was a joke. You should be able to see it because it was a direct answer to stutters "don't claim unnecessarily" thing. Also, you also admit I could be town trying to take a shot, so I have no idea why are you pointing this out again. Your opinion on my list post is wrong since you say I only copy paste openings, when that's not it. I was also the first one to bring suspicions on sciberbia, so I do bring something new. Bad reason again. This means you didn't even read something you called me scum for Then you bring something from pre game to call me Mafia, before I even know my alignment. Sounds like a joke but... Who knows... I poked at both of you due to opening posts but Palmar has been gone since early today, hard to read. I just find it funny that you posted that joke post to start discussion, Palmar instantly votes for damdred as his opening post, talks smack then leaves with this as one of his last posts: On May 18 2015 17:33 Palmar wrote: Here's a listpost. The following people are on my shitlist. Onegu GlowingBear Zealos shitlist has nothing to do with being mafia, although of course it's possible to both be shitter and mafia. But these people should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment. Thank you! Not a mention of damdred in his list even though he voted for him as his opening post. He also has you on the list in which you give a vague question that doesn't even attempt to refute his list or question him. Either way, my vote is for ##palmar or ##ObiWanShinobi Reason behind Obi? His posts seem like he doesn't care to help town and just wants to follow the bandwagon (mafia ppl?) | ||
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On May 19 2015 05:12 Stutters695 wrote: Then why did you ignore that he clearly said shitlist and it had nothing to do with being mafia? I didn't ignore it and I never said GB was mafia directly, nor do I think he's mafia yet after throwing posts at him to see his argument style which I didn't much see in the Palmar posts due to reasons. I do however keep him under my list and already have mentioned my claim. On May 19 2015 05:23 sciberbia wrote: @ShoCkeyy What puzzles me here is that your entire filter seems to consist of you building up suspicion against GB, and then you conclude by saying you will vote for either Palmar or Obi. What do you mean by "I won't truly know until Palmar is gone"? I still build my suspicion upon GB, but I truly don't have much against him other than him trying to "figure" out whos mafia. If Palmar is gone and is mafia, then that can mean Obi is mafia as well. GB mentions damdred, Palmar votes first, Obi comes in second 15mins apart to also vote for damdred. Obi gives nothing but w.e posts that don't contribute while Palmar gives random posts as well, both nearly been gone for most of the day (Obi isn't in Palmar shitlist). This all some how ties GB in here since he is one of the most active players. So I just question him first due to Palmar shitlist and see what kind of posts I can get out of him and I just don't feel like GB is mafia for now. On May 19 2015 05:26 GlowingBear wrote: Heh. I've already debunked ALL your arguments against me. You don't even directly attack my post and just says I'm on your list. You simply decided I'm Mafia and found reasons to call me so. You didn't see weird posts THEN decided I'm Mafia. So you think obi has been useless, but why not even mention Vivax here? Vivax has in my opinion been more helpful On May 19 2015 01:13 Vivax wrote: In case anyone's interested I'm leaning scum on Palmar and Obi. Just from past things and a little re-skim I started leaning towards Palmar and Obi after reading this. | ||
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On May 19 2015 05:31 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Shockey On May 19 2015 06:02 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote ShoCkeyy And Palmar has yet to post. | ||
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On May 19 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote: Shockey, address to this directly, please. On May 19 2015 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: I poked at both of you due to opening posts but Palmar has been gone since early today, hard to read. I just find it funny that you posted that joke post to start discussion, Palmar instantly votes for damdred as his opening post, talks smack then leaves with this as one of his last posts: I pointed you out because you were the most vocal, but you didn't even respond to any of my posts from the beginning, instead you asked me this: On May 18 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote: Shockey, have you played on these forums before? Which lead me to keep going after you, also, that first post can be scummy or discussion which is why I mention both. There's no true way to tell. Now that Palmar mentions he will follow you through and through, gives me the reason to believe he's mafia. On May 19 2015 07:08 sciberbia wrote: OK I don't know whether you have ever played with Palmar, but I have, and I can tell you that it is very likely a coincidence that he has copied two of GB's votes. By putting GB on his shitlist, Palmar has effectively said that in his opinion, GB "should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment". Now why would Palmar copy votes from a player that he thinks is useless? He wouldn't do this even if he were mafia. If he were going to copy votes, he would at least copy them from a player he thinks is good. I think you are reading far too much into Palmar's "shit list". Palmar put people on the list because in his opinion they have said stupid things and therefore should not be listened to. As Palmar said, it is completely irrelevant to them being mafia or not. ShoCkey these two quotes are completely inconsistent. Like, your entire stance on GB and Palmar is baffling and needs to be clarified. You say that you have built suspicions against GB, but his guilt will only truly be confirmed once Palmar is confirmed as mafia. But then you say that maybe Palmar and Obi are mafia but GB is just a vocal townie. So what's the deal? On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: /in Gonna try a different approach Maybe just by playing with them often has lead you to think they play a certain way? As I mentioned before, I haven't played in over five years, I don't know any of you here or how your playstyle is. I'm just also trying to learn for myself. By Palmar instantly throwing his vote where ever GB goes, maybe that's a different route. Remember that the motive is for Mafia to win the game, if GB is the leader he can easily tell palmar and obi to go after who he thinks is necessary. Would people believe it? Of course not because that's not their "style". On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me Because by being the least vocal and least responsive in terms of the allegations towards them, it makes GB look like he's in it for the town. With out either or, the town can start seeing what is going on here. | ||
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On May 19 2015 07:43 GlowingBear wrote: You have to think how mafia would act. Do you think mafia would act aggressively, having a vocal player choosing a target early on and having ALL HIS TEAM locking in the target? Or do you think mafia would let town try to ruin themselves and instigate confusion? I find myself more likely to be completely disconnected from the game, having my own reads and tunneling, or completely instigating wrong reads instead of leading them. I would never hard align with my team mates on early day1. I am thinking how mafia would act. I'm thinking of a new approach on how a fast alignment can win this small mafia game and kill out the real townees faster than they can lynch off real mafia members. The alignment is what is confusing people they don't know if it's real or not. The vocal townee can just be an act, who knows? | ||
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I think Palmar or Obi are mafia. If Palmar flips mafia, GB is mafia and Obi is just bandwagoning. If Obi flips mafia, then Palmar is mafia, GB is town. That is my current thought process. | ||
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On May 19 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote: That's nonsensical though, that's like saying if I flip mafia scib is mafia because we are thread bros. How is it nonsensical when all their posts line up to them being on a team? | ||
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On May 19 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote: Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other. For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town. The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads. Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting. What is it about his posts that make you think he's not mafia and/or associated with Palmar? This still doesn't change my vote from Palmar. I just find it suspicious that he hasn't been around, throw his vote based on GB's with out having much to say in regards. Obviously he mentioned he'll follow GB's post afterwards, at least Shining who apparently is heading to ER has time to post. | ||
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On May 18 2015 12:34 Damdred wrote: GB is kinda weird now though idk what he's doing On May 19 2015 00:01 Damdred wrote: Good you now think the towniest person in the thread is town, nice. Anyeay I don't think GB is mafia just a town You never explained why you thought he was town. | ||
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On May 19 2015 08:47 sciberbia wrote: Dude this doesn't make any sense. If you are town, really think about what you are saying here. According to premise 1: if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia. Let's assume that is true. Now in scenario 2 where Obi flips mafia, Palmar is mafia and GB is town. This is logically inconsistent with premise 1, which states that if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia. Like imagine both Obi and Palmar are mafia. Now what you are essentially saying is that GB is mafia if and only if we lynch Palmar before Obi, which doesn't make any sense. It just seems weird, mafia players that can communicate outside of the thread make it obvious on who they want dead by their voting. GB is hard to pin due to his vote being scum/discussion, now Palmar and Obi, with their posting history and vote timing can seem mafia. I pin Palmar in the middle because if Palmar is Mafia, then GB has to be mafia too due to the consistency in posting votes and timeliness (GB trying a new approach) and Obi just bandwagoning on the vote list. If Obi flips red, it's because he's following the mafia player Palmar which won't seem like much, but in fact it's two mafia players in our face making it seem like GB can be the mafia player. Because Zealous comes in following the foot steps of one of the mafia players. Shining is still hard to tell since he at least tried to post (but these aren't claims to them being mafia) On May 19 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote: I think the lynch is around obi/shocker and maybe palmar, I suppose? Wait, I thought you assumed Obi was Town? why the sudden change against Palmar and Obi? | ||
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On May 19 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote: Actually its a general heuristic that the person with the most posts or one of the biggest filters and is involved in everything is generally town and shouldn't be lynched day 1. Besides a select few players who are the best at being mafia it is a good general rule of thumb. I'm giving you excellent advice of how mafia teams generally work, if you get one you do not want to be lined up and super associated or else the entire team will go down in quick succession and the game will be lost. Also constant re-evaluation and involved in everything is a highly sought after town role, and this is so much town for gb that its not even funny. You also ignore a lot of points just to make a joke out of a couple of points. You don't even think GB is mafia as you have said so i'm not sure why you are making light of what i'm saying. Also just to touch on this, I've been pretty active compared to other players. I'm at least trying to sniff out the mafia players compared to others. This is why I find it weird that I target three of the players and all three of them target me. On May 19 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shockey have you played elsewhere before? Holy smokes this question again? Have you not read the thread lol... Anyways I'm gone. | ||
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On May 19 2015 21:50 Palmar wrote: I have no idea if I actually want to lynch you Spock. I voted you because you quoted a random post from Vivax and said that it somehow swayed you towards me and Obi which was completely retarded. What? I've been after you since the get go. Did you even read my filters? You were in one of my very first reads, I started to push Obi after that post from Vivax. Vivax apparently see's things for what they are as well. | ||
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On May 19 2015 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote: you are not a "very active town", dont kid yourself. If you assume that associations dont exist, why are they scum? I've been more active than you have. What makes you assume that they're not scum? | ||
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On May 19 2015 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote: THATS NOT A FUCKING LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT MAN. Also, you have the burden to prove that they are scum, not the other way around. Your connection/association thing is bonkers, is there anything else behind that? Check Palmars filter, he mentions who he thinks is mafia: damdred (joke) Zealous (removes the idea of it) Vivax (removes the idea of it) His shitlist contains: Onegu GlowingBear Zealos Not one mention of Obi - why? Because he's trying to distance himself from his partner. Palmar voting also explains something different than his posting and reads. He votes for damdred just cause GB, making some kind of connection between them, but as soon as I accuse Palmar (I still didn't vote), his vote instantly turned to me. Now his partner Obi comes along a few hours later and just votes for me too, why? No reason "yoloswag". Now this post comes off as two ways: On May 19 2015 14:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Honestly I shouldn't even try to argue: I townread Palmar or back off of him for awful reasons literally all the time and I don't trust myself to read him fairly. Sounds like another scheme to try and distance themselves in the midsts of me accusing them. Though their voting says something completely different, why vote for me if my reads seem too crazy for everyone? | ||
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ObiWanShinobi - Scum Stutters695 - Possible town/mafia Palmar - Scum The Shining - Possible mafia Onegu - null GlowingBear - Possible town/mafia Damdred - town Vivax - town ShoCkeyy - town Oatsmaster - town sciberbia - null Qwerty! - mia - weird - null Zealos - Possible mafia | ||
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On May 20 2015 00:34 Vivax wrote: Can we get a wagon on Obi within the time I'm away? You going to push it Shockey? Of course I will. On May 20 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote: Dude you said my list post is just a copy paste of openings when it has way more information in it. You also said it brings nothing new to the table when it was the first post to raise suspicions on sciberbia And when I show you this, you don't take a step back. Tell me this: if Damdred IS Mafia, how does it changes your reads? Ok, what information did it bring to the table? If it raised suspicions on sciberbia, then why has no one talked about him? He's actually been pretty active and seems to be asking the right questions from a town point of view. Damdred isn't mafia, so it doesn't change my reads. On May 20 2015 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's not even a case there. It's like...Just a bunch of random things based on me being lazy/casual and trying to sell it as a scumtell. It is scum in plain sight. | ||
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On May 18 2015 13:11 GlowingBear wrote: I never said he is, although he is. Just posting nonsensical scumreads without good reasoning or any reasoning at all Why does it matter and what do you think of what I've just said? So I ask again, what information did you bring to the table if they don't have any good reasoning? | ||
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On May 20 2015 00:52 GlowingBear wrote: I've showed how WEIRD that interaction between sciberbia and Damdred was. Sciberbia saying that Damdred had good reasoning without when Damdred's reasoning was very flawed was horrible. "Damdred isn't mafia, so it doesn't change my reads" Please. If you guys don't lynch this guy today I will be mad. But Damdred is town and sci is possibly town too... why does this matter about how weird their interaction was? | ||
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Confirm? Your posts seem either like a really lazy town or a really really obvious scum, but due to the voting pattern and your posts towards me after I accused you, it's just a mafia member trying to protect themselves. | ||
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Sciberbia is constantly asking the right questions regarding from a town standpoint. So what they hard aligned in the beginning of the game? That had my views on it too, but it turned out to be nothing. And I'm positive I'm already a mafia lynch tonight even if I make it pass the lynch. I'm just trying to get out as much info on the mafia players of the game while I can. | ||
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On May 20 2015 01:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't know what my voting pattern says about anything. Me voting you after a bunch of others jumped on you on how your reasoning doesn't make any sense is scummy? How? The thing was, only one person made mention on how my reasoning doesn't make any sense, that was GB. Palmar followed cause I posted something about Vivax agreeing. You followed cause? Regarding your posts and voting, it just reads mafia acting as a lazy town | ||
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On May 20 2015 01:12 GlowingBear wrote: So what if they hard aligned in the beginning of the game, like GLOWINGBEAR, PALMAR AND OBI, THAT YOU ARE CALLING MAFIA FOR ARGH. Town, pls. Because it was You, Palmar & Obi who went for damdred first when he's obviously a town in the beginning of the game. I called you out because no one did yet and my congruent views didn't please either of you, that's where some sort of mafia alignment can be seen when all of you switched to me. | ||
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On May 20 2015 01:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It would imply that I agree with the other people voting you, no? How do you tell the difference between mafia and lazy town? Because a lazy town would at least try in the beginning and start disappearing because of inactivity because he's lazy. How ever you posted lazy material trying to look lazy. Want to know what a lazy town looks to me? Qwerty, dude just hasn't even tried to read the thread or maybe he has, but that's a lazy town. | ||
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On May 20 2015 23:13 GlowingBear wrote: I'm sober now Extremely hangover, but sober Palmar is Mafia. What made you come to that conclusion? Now back to reading. | ||
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On May 20 2015 19:55 sciberbia wrote: This post will be a lot of interesting observations and no real conclusions. I'm hoping someone else can tell me what to make of these observations. The start of the Vivax wagon is really bizarre. There are 0 votes on Vivax and the lynch seems to be coming down to Shockey vs Obi. Then, Palmar makes a case on Vivax, and shortly thereafter, 4 votes drop on Vivax within the span of 2 minutes of each other: Damdred --> Stutters --> Palmar --> Obi GB makes a good point that Damdred's vote is questionable. Idk if Damdred is scum, because there were serveral things in his filter I thought were townie, but the vote is definitely a bit odd. He had scumreads on shockey, zealos, and obi which he never backed down from, yet he just kinda organizes this voteswitch onto vivax out of nowhere. Stutters, having not said jack shit about Vivax all day, sheeps Palmar's case. Palmar then drops his vote at Damdred's prompting. So, the previous leading candidate was Obi/Shockey. Palmar never even looks at my case on Obi or mentions Obi at all. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred, his other top scumread, is the one organizing the switch onto Vivax. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred is voting Vivax out of nowhere. Kinda sketchy. Like I'm not expecting Palmar to unvote Vivax just because Damdred voted him. But I would have expected Palmar to least raise eyebrows at Damdred's behavior. Instead, he just seems happy to have another disciple for his Vivax case. Lastly, Obi who is clearly trying very hard not to get lynched and paying close attention to the vote count, has left his vote on the Shockey counterwagon to himself until he is assured that the Vivax counterwagon is strong enough. Then he switches his vote. I still kinda think Obi is mafia. Don't really know about Damdred/Palmar/Stutters, as I have reasons to think each of them are town. I think everyone should go back and look at how the Vivax wagon formed though. It just seems really weird to me and makes me think there could have been multiple mafia on it. Both Palmar and Obi are mafia. After you question obi: On May 20 2015 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: A) I questioned stutters before I changed my read on Damdred. B) It doesn't fucking matter. As for me being more active when I have votes on me, it's almost like I'm trying not to be lynched. :o Why doesn't he want to be lynched? So the mafia can continue to win of course. I don't care if I get lynched cause at least everything I've said will help town in the future, the point is to win. While obi just seems like he wants to survive to the last day Vivax's first vote was for Obi: On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote: Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win. ##Vote Obi Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time. On May 20 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote: I'm genuinely mad at him for being town. Are you? really? Why would Palmar decide to just provide a case against Vivax? Because he was going after his partner. Just like what happened to me on day one. I went after Palmar and Palmar and Obi followed - as they still do so now. It was easy to remove on town person they knew was town, he wasn't as active as others and his style was not what people were used to, which made it easier to pin him as mafia. Of course everyone bought into that random mumbo jumbo and lynched our VT. Either way, I'm still sticking to my votes and still will be going after Palmar and Obi. | ||
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Next up in line for my read Zealos On May 19 2015 00:00 Zealos wrote: RE: ObiWanShinobi I think it's pretty useless to make much of a read on him yet. I want him to post more, but during the first day it's hard to say whether inactivity is disinterest in day 1 or whether its something more scummy. Comparing him to Palmar, I feel like Palmar is more destructive than Obi. | ||
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On May 21 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Shockey, who is scum now since 2 of your scumreads flipped town? Two of my scum reads? I've only read palmar and obi as scum and one of them has flipped town. I was even aligned to Vivax early who turned out to be town as well. ObiWanShinobi - Scum Stutters695 - Possible town/mafia Palmar - Scum The Shining - Possible mafia Onegu - null GlowingBear - Possible town/mafia Damdred - town Vivax - town ShoCkeyy - town Oatsmaster - town sciberbia - null Qwerty! - mia - weird - null Zealos - Possible mafia Reposting my original list so you can see with your eyes. | ||
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Because between Vivax, Stutters and I we almost lynched the real scum and it would of been a 10/2 situation, so of course, Palmar goes parading around with a vivax case and you found opportunity to save yourself and make it a 9/3 situation. It's pretty clear, prepare to get lynched today, I'll make sure I revenge Vivax. | ||
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I'm not getting good vibes from stutters though. | ||
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On May 21 2015 15:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's not a conspiracy theory. There's no conspiracy theory. There's just nothing there. It's not a theory, it's fact, you're scum. Also, I gotta ask, why are most of your posts worthless? and you have at least a few of these: On May 22 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Am not scum. On May 20 2015 23:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not mafia, though. D: Your voting completely says another thing. You have yet to respond seriously to any of my posts, you completely ignore them and you sheep other peoples lynches to look good. Then there is Zealos, who I'm still building up my case on him. | ||
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Why does Zealos slip by in the darkness around? Let's start with one of his beginning post, he starts by targeting Damdred, very early in the game along with GB, he wrote some generic info about damdreds games. Didn't make anything out of it + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2015 07:33 Zealos wrote: Contrasting Damdred's opening posts with the Assassination Mafia: Compared to Assassination: Although there was a post limit on Assassination, it really seems like he was being much more proactive in Assassination, whereas in this game he is on the defensive. I'd lean slighty mafia but I'm not convinced honestly. He keeps targeting Damdred and writes this: On May 18 2015 07:47 Zealos wrote: I'm not actually voting btw But comes back to end up voting on Palmar because his post count was bad: On May 18 2015 15:42 Zealos wrote: ##vote Palmar On May 18 2015 15:40 Zealos wrote: I really don't have much time this morning, and I'll post more when I get back from work in 8 or so hours. BUT, can we take a moment to discuss how dodgy Palmar has been so far?? He literally just jumps in, stirs up some random direction of conversation (Normally saying something that someone else has suggested) then just leaving the thread again?? He's got 6 posts, yet has "confirmed" 2/3 of the mafia team? wat? I want to cross check this against another game, but until I have some time to do it, he's my strongest scumread. On May 19 2015 00:00 Zealos wrote: RE: ObiWanShinobi I think it's pretty useless to make much of a read on him yet. I want him to post more, but during the first day it's hard to say whether inactivity is disinterest in day 1 or whether its something more scummy. Comparing him to Palmar, I feel like Palmar is more destructive than Obi. Early push to remove what he knew could of been town and can try to ruin his win as mafia. But he saw palmar was making a push to lynch vivax who he also knew was town. He was on of the first to jump on the bandwagon due to him and Obi being aligned. On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote: Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win. ##Vote Obi Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time. With Vivax about to be out of the picture, obi and zealous had a chance to jump on the Vivax bandwagon and kill off a town lynch. On May 18 2015 17:33 Palmar wrote: Here's a listpost. The following people are on my shitlist. Onegu GlowingBear Zealos shitlist has nothing to do with being mafia, although of course it's possible to both be shitter and mafia. But these people should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment. Thank you! Palmar read it early on Zealos, so he killed him off at night after the vivax lynch. He also killed Sci: On May 18 2015 07:40 sciberbia wrote: ##vote Zealos Best read for mafia so far. He does a ton of filter-diving on Damdred to make it look like he's hardcore contributing, but he's super wishy-washy in his conclusions. Just look at the amount of hedging his bets here: Like why even post all your research if you are this unsure in your conclusions? Looks like a good candidate for someone who is trying to look like they are contributing but isn't. Two people that targeted him in Day one. Let's heed their words and go after Zealos. | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:29 GlowingBear wrote: HOW THE FUCK YOU AGREE WITH ME, THEN THE GUY MAKES THE EASIEST CASE IN THE GAME, YOU -SEE- IT'S FOR SURVIVAL BUT YOU VOTE ZEALOS, TRUFFLE? HOW COME? HOW? I WILL BATHE IN KITTENS BLOOD IF YOU GUYS LYNCH ZEALOS FIRST YEA CAUSE I CAN SEE THE SCUMMY PLAY AND ITS NOT FOR SURVIVAL, ITS FOR FINAL POST IF I WERE TO GET LYNCHED AND WHEN I FLIPPED TOWN, AT LEAST YOU HAD CLUES TO THE NEXT LYNCH. LIKE I WORK AND I TRY TO POST AS MUCH AS I CAN TO WIN. | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:57 Qwerty! wrote: Onegu, look at ShoCkeyy's play this past hour. "Here, look at what I did! Lynch my target now! [afk for half hour] Lynch my target! [afk again]" The amount that he cares about actually pushing his lynch target isn't consistent with the words that he says. It isn't consistent with his posts,and it isn't consistent witha town mindset. Please. On May 23 2015 04:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: YEA CAUSE I CAN SEE THE SCUMMY PLAY AND ITS NOT FOR SURVIVAL, ITS FOR FINAL POST IF I WERE TO GET LYNCHED AND WHEN I FLIPPED TOWN, AT LEAST YOU HAD CLUES TO THE NEXT LYNCH. LIKE I WORK AND I TRY TO POST AS MUCH AS I CAN TO WIN. | ||
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On May 23 2015 05:16 Qwerty! wrote: Don't you see how inconsistent he is being... He acts like he cares about making the right reads. He acts like he cares about the lynch. He goes afk and only jumps in once in a while to respond to people scumreading him. He makes a case to survive, then is upset when his target flips town. It's pretty straight forward. You talk about me, but you've barely been here all game, then all the sudden you want to jump in and try to "help the town". At least I've been around since the very beginning and I've been trying to kill off the one person I know to be mafia: Obi. Him and Zealos were exactly the same in regards to posting, both having minimal posts with little to no content at all that help the town. And of course I'm upset my case flipped town. It was my first case against some one that people sheeped and I came out wrong. Of course I'm going to be upset. | ||
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On May 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, so, let's go. I think the team is Damdred / Shockey / The Shining. Regarding Damdred, summed up to the points I've brought earlier: he has no intention into getting organised with town. I'm saying this because Damdred points out I am tunneled in him. But if he knows I'm town, instead of showing me how I'm wrong and actually trying to work with me, he prefers to call me bad and tease me. It's just uncharacteristic for town Damdred to do something like this. If he has me as town, I'd expect him to try to work with me, and not berate my reads. He limits himself to discredit all my reads, all my gameplay, instead convincing me my other reads are also wrong and that Zealos is a better lynch. This is scum causing confusion and discrediting townies, trying to disorganise town. I will NEVER change this read on Damdred. But Damdred has a big filter. That's all he has for call him town. And there are some attempts to read people that could be coming from town. COULD. But if you evaluate his overall gameplay, you will see an uninspiring filter. Tell me what are Damdred's scumreads after Zealos flipped scum. I have no idea. But I'm not pursuing this matter anymore. If you think Damdred is more like a null, FINE. He played well as scum if he is. Let him live more days. But make sure to revisit him. But do not let Shockey survive any longer. There are plenty of reasons for why he is scum, and not a single reasonable reason to why he is town. GO AGAINST HIM. And even if you would prefer going for the 3rd instead of Damdred, FINE. The third is someone between The Shining/Truffle/Stutters. The Shining's EoD2 is extremely opportunistic. After having being universally townread, his activity drops like hell, like he is comfortable with not being up for the lynch. Although he explicitly says he doesn't like day1, his day2 was also lackluster without any real excuses. Then he comes at EOD because he has to vote, and instead consolidating in a wagon, he DISRUPTS town organisation suggesting another wagon 20 minutes before deadline. If The Shining is town, go for Truffle. Voting patterns are weird. If Mafia doesn't have a roleblocker (I find impossible), then Stutters is dead today for being obvious blue. Then you ask Damdred regarding his role, just in case. I had more to talk about but I forgot What? You didn't write anything worth while. Please explain why we should save Obi or why am I scum? Because in Obi's filter he does nothing to try and protect town. And every time you mention me you just say I'm scum but nothing to offer or show how I can be scum. Damdred is more obvious town than Obi will ever be. | ||
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On May 24 2015 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He already explained it. You would know if you actually bothered to read the thread at any point. Please show me. Not one of his posts straight up mention how I can be scum. | ||
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I have, multiple times, have you? | ||
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On May 24 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shockey I am not holding your hand at all this game. I want you to be aware of how completely fucked you are if you don't obvtown this thread up in the next few hours. I am perfectly willing to sink this game by killing you tomorrow regardless of your alignment and you being a lazy shit is not helping your case. You have been the counterwagon to town TWICE and both times your "associative analysis" has been opportunistic and incorrect by calling me the same alignment as three different confirmed townies, which is completely useless and never seems to affect your opinion on anything. You don't reanalyze your thought process. Nothing that happens ever seems to change your reads. You don't give a shit about what anyone says about anything except maybe yourself. You're not reading the thread. Everyone left aside from maybe ONE person wants you dead, and he's pretty much the only reason that you're still here. Get to work. Obi, at this point from a town perspective, who would you lynch besides me and why? I know you mentioned Damdred, but what's the reason why? At this point I'm willing to try and make sure we can get a correct scum lynch before the day is over. I was on the first counter wagon against you due to wrong reads and association, I was playing at a lazy pace due to a lot of work, but it was a better wagon than Vivax who ended up being town. The second lead wagon was Zealos, who you can't blame looked like mafia from the get go, the lack of posting showed he quit when they targeted him which made him an easy accidental lynch. The game has gotten to a point where I now need to show more attention, the post Qwerty! made about Damdred is very good, all in all, we've had more people read Damdred and point out flaws than anybody else in this game. Yet Damdred is very loose about the game in terms of winning or losing, that just seems odd to me. A town player would always want to go for the win. Even if they're just mostly lurking - which makes Qwerty! to me a town player, especially now that he's trying to bring flames at the last minute. Now I know you have questions for me before you decide to let me into your wagon and I will answer to the best of my ability. | ||
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On May 26 2015 00:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You are in no position to question me about anything. Tell me who is mafia and why. Damdred/TheShining/Oats Damdred: First off, as mentioned everyone in the beginning of the game was against Damdred, even Palmar who was first night's kill. On May 18 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote: I'm disappointed in you Palmar, you've never caught me like that and you never will. Besides if you lynch me here you have to share the headline with GB, and do you really want that This post is extremely scummy, especially the bolded part. Of course Palmar will never catch him, because he killed him off night one. On May 18 2015 13:28 Damdred wrote: My reasoning o. Palmar isn't that weak lol Wasn't that weak? It was weak, it was still the beginning of the game, he completely knew at this point Palmar was town. On May 19 2015 03:13 Damdred wrote: If all activity remains the same with content we lynch in the order of Ze, shock, obi Maybe switch shock and obi. And policy for shining and palmar if we go that direction This next post talks about three town people, he advocates a lynch for us to see who he can get a wagon on. Notice how he's mostly sheeped cases where the result was a town flipped. Palmar was on to damdred from the beginning, until the Vivax situation happened where Damdred figured he'd be able to help kill off a town on day one. On May 20 2015 01:55 Damdred wrote: I might be ok lynching vivax today, I'm not positive I want to lynch obi today He was ok with lynching Vivax cause he already knew his alignment. The obi situation would come later at this point. If I would of made a push for you Obi, he would gladly jump on it because he it would result in a town flip. From there, that night Palmar dies instantly, next day, Zealos due to my incorrect reading, helping him increase the winning potential for mafia. On May 23 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote: That was a good post by shockey. Don't lynch him He states he backs my post up, why is he doing this? Cause he knew if he threw his weight on to my wagon, we would lynch off a town, my lynch was obviously coming up this day and he was well aware of that, which is why he doesn't mind lynching me now. He's on board to lynch me since it's currently the easiest lynch, my style of posting came off as scum and mostly everyone is against me. GB even advocated to lynch Damdred if it wasn't due to my style of posting. So what did he do? He killed off GB before my lynch since it'll make the game easier. My lynch will flip town and Damdred will get his way. It's obvious I was very focused on a select three, but I was wrong about all of them. I'm trying to make it right and help town now with this push to lynch the real mafia player and have the upper advantage. ##vote damdred Going to post about Shining now. | ||
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On May 26 2015 01:27 Damdred wrote: I'm awake now. I've been scum reading trfel since n1 obi when he was so sure vivax was town over nothing and switched off the vivax wagon onto you I believe. It is interesting that shockey was so sure I'm town in previous postings and he he showed a propensity for sticking to his guns 100% and not caring what anyone said past that point but here he shows....idk a wanting to jump to follow trfel? Qwerty comes off as town at this point, his voting says he really doesn't know who he wants to lynch and is at least trying to make correct choices based on people's views of others. Obi at this point is really reading town to me after all the misguided lynches I was after. | ||
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On May 26 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote: It is also interesting at a cursory look in trfels filter the way he treats you obi. Look at the progression on the read D1 I'd rather lynch obi today. Omg vivax is town everyone switch to obi N1 Obi is lock scum. Well I'm not so confident obi is scul anymore d2 to now. No real talking about any type of feeling about obi instead begs obi to switch to me when he should probably still be wary. I think the main point is the lack there of fear today of you obi, and the shift and lack of follow up on you just seems weird to me. It's not weird, it's a town move to win the game while you have no objective to win the game as a "town". | ||
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On May 25 2015 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred you just listed me and Shockey on the same scumteam. This post right here confirmed to me that Damdred is mafia. Why would he list us together as mafia? We obviously didn't share the same views from the beginning of the game, even if were in the same team as mafia, I doubt my posts would still be like they are now. Now that I'm trying to fix my mistakes and win as a town, he's listing us as scum? But trying to go on your side to lynch me? | ||
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On May 26 2015 01:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That doesn't answer my question. @Damdred: I don't have time to talk about anyone else, I've got work soon and I'm about to shower and stuff. Because of this post: On May 24 2015 03:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shockey I am not holding your hand at all this game. I want you to be aware of how completely fucked you are if you don't obvtown this thread up in the next few hours. I am perfectly willing to sink this game by killing you tomorrow regardless of your alignment and you being a lazy shit is not helping your case. You have been the counterwagon to town TWICE and both times your "associative analysis" has been opportunistic and incorrect by calling me the same alignment as three different confirmed townies, which is completely useless and never seems to affect your opinion on anything. You don't reanalyze your thought process. Nothing that happens ever seems to change your reads. You don't give a shit about what anyone says about anything except maybe yourself. You're not reading the thread. Everyone left aside from maybe ONE person wants you dead, and he's pretty much the only reason that you're still here. Get to work. And now that you're starting to take leadership in the town, it shows that you're actually trying to win it. The beginning posts of yours threw me off, but when you posted that above and I saw Zealos flip town and GB gone, I flipped my brain and analyzing. Why was I going against what could of been a win for us early on? At this point, I'd rather sheep your vote and try to discuss who can be mafia to try and turn this around. This day lynch is really crucial for winning this game as a town. | ||
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On May 24 2015 03:36 Stutters695 wrote: Eh, I'm not too worried about it. If you're town, one of us is dead. If they think you're a medic, you're dead. If they think I'm a medic, I'm dead. It'll work itself out. If we're both alive somehow, I'll elaborate tomorrow, but there are valid points in my case. Still haven't seen him really posta anything worthwile after the GB kill. off topic: Why does the quote say a different time than it was actually posted? "Stutters695 May 23 2015 14:36. Posts 2352 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote # filter Eh, I'm not too worried about it. If you're town, one of us is dead. If they think you're a medic, you're dead. If they think I'm a medic, I'm dead. It'll work itself out. If we're both alive somehow, I'll elaborate tomorrow, but there are valid points in my case." That kinda throws me off in terms of trying to re-read things. | ||
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On May 26 2015 04:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Has stutters still not claimed his fucking role? No and he still hasn't provided any kind of post that elaborates on what I quoted him earlier. | ||
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On May 26 2015 04:16 Qwerty! wrote: ShoCkeyy, please vote in the voting thread. ObiWanShinobi, can you not see how he is twisting things here? He hasn't quoted any of the answers that I asked for, which he claims to have already given. Instead, he's accusing me of claiming other people's arguments as my own, while I haven't claimed a single thing on my own. The only thing that I'm claiming is a desire to get Damdred lynched. I already said I was going to sheep obi, he's currently voting for me - either I vote for myself or just don't vote at all, I rather just not vote at all if I'm going to be lynched. | ||
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##vote damdred/shining/oats I'm done. | ||
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On May 26 2015 11:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Questions for players and observers alike: 1. Aside from the balance, what aspects of the hosting for this game specifically could be improved upon and which aspects were done well? 2. Do you prefer setups that are open, semi-open, or closed? Why? 3. I usually have at least one person asking to be spoiled while observing. Do you think it's a good idea to have a separate obs chat for those who want to be spoiled and one where spoilers are not allowed? Is the risk of cheating too great for it to be worthwhile? 4. Assuming it's balanced would you prefer a game with many roles that are weak (mason/inno child/vet/parity cop/watcher etc) or a game with fewer strong roles (cop/vig/doctor/jk etc) on the town side? 5. Not modkilling for activity; should I start doing that? 1. In all honesty, the hosting was great and was always on time, which kept me interested in the game even though I wasn't actively posting since I knew the day/night posts were always going to be at 4pm est. 2. I don't mind any of them lol. 3. Spoilers suck. 4. I feel like more roles that are weak kinda force the town to really come together, unless they're completely lost. Strong roles usually mean that the person with the strongest role has to put way more effort into winning the game than other players. Maybe a mixture? 5. Inactivity is crucial to a game in my opinion. Some times people just can't respond on time or in a certain amount of time, myself included. It also throws the town in for a loop trying to guess who's mafia based on inactivity ; p | ||
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