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Okay there has been some talk about this. I want to summarize my points.
I am Town RB. I roleblocked Rels on N1. Since she died I made that ploy up in order to protect myself as my role will get important in the late game. I wrote about the dangers involved with this ploy when mafia detected it. I RBed Barakos on N2. Barakos verified that he got RBed.
So would you risk misslynching a non-CC'ed Town RB, if he can help protect your Cop in N3, when we hammer a mafia today? When I survive we can openly discuss who to RB and with the help of the Cop get another town check in, if our guess of mafia is right that night.
Please think about this. I know I kinda lost your trust because I was tunneled so hard before and explode on some of you, for which I'd really like to apologizee again.
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On May 29 2015 00:18 disformation wrote:
Okay, just for verification:
plotspot: you did only claim to be roleblocked in N1 to get the mafia to think you are not the rb, right?
Yes exactly, I know it was kinda unfair to other townies, but If I survive with this ploy, we win. And it looks damn good so far.
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Also it's impossible for a mafia to think of such a ploy. He would risk his fucking life making up being RB, when he didn't even know there was one. Guess what would happen to mafia if he makes up such a ploy, saying he was RB N1? I would crush him. It's too dangerous, no mafia will ever do that. I on the other hand could because only I knew I targeted Rels and "luckily" she died for that ploy to work.
Imagine if I was to RB someone and he survives that Night. It would make this ploy impossible, it would have led to a fucking mess which mafia will have ultimately used to force me out.
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I'm kinda sad I have to point this out like this to protect myself, it will eliminate such a play in the future I guess. Mafia will always check this option with RB now. And as I detailed it out, in my case it was extremely possible for mafia to find out about this, because I scumread Rels and also told the whole thread about it. Such a ploy would even be less risky if I didn't scumread a dead person, which I only realized later.
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Guys just think about it we have 7 townies, and 2 mafia. Whoever attacks me is extremely keen on seeing town lose, after what I detailed out.
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On May 29 2015 00:50 disformation wrote:
plotspot: could you explain why boxerfred was the second mason in your opinion? imo you never bothered to explain that.
Ok no problem; but this is only a gut read ok, before I was too tunneled and told you this was surefire stuff.
Boxerfred I have always read as town, you can check it, for his stream of concsiousness style where he posts, then thinks a bit and then post and again. For me it didn't look like scum. So following my elimination of how everyone was town, except for boxerfred, Tictock and Sulfurus, I tunneled hard on Tictock being scum. Because I was town, and I was probably clumsy too and I always gets the most pressure from Tictock, so for me at some point I was thnking? What the hell, why was I always only pushed hard by Tictock? You can check it out disinformation he made like 3-4 semi long cases on me, always careful not pushing too hard but not too low.
Parallel to this I thought boxerfred might be Mason because he misslips about the coaching thread here
On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:
Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that. However, thus far I think I'll go for the guy who voted 27ninjabunnies (which would be BM) since he did not really have a clue and just started with an accusation. That kinda points to the SK role or even a scum role. Can't really tell. However, since Breshke and batsnacks, as well as BM and tictock cast their votes for the same person, they might be somehow linked to each other in their roles, implying they are either scum or masons.
Since a mason wouldn't have to cast his vote in a seemingly random/trolly kind of way, I'm going for Bill Murray. Especially since he is no newbie, so I can safely assume he didn't troll but instead made a random vote on purpose.
So here we go: ##Vote Bill Murray
For me this was a tell, and I simply imagined he likes to go there, but obviosly wouldn't say "to talk to my Mason partner". I could imagined he liked to go there so he could discuss stuff with the very intelligent Breshke. My logic.
So one thing kinda implicates the other, so I just think the setup was then boxerfred Mason, Tictock scum (would make sense to me, he may kind of falls off your radar because he doesn't push you guys as much as me? I don't know) and Sulfurus scum too. I even found evidence on why Sulfurus was scum itself. And I started scumreading Tictock even more when I defended Sulfurus heavily.
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EBWOP And I started scumreading Tictock even more when he defended Sulfurus heavily. Now my theory certainly sounds strange the longer we don't hear from boxerfred.
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I declare all my posts from here to the dotted line above to be null/deleted. They were based on a horrible read from me on Tictock and have no relevance whatsoever anymore. I am sorry I have wasted your time. Please to don't quote me on any of them I will not answer them. I learned my lessons thanks.
New post here: I am the Town RB. I CAN proof it.
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Guys we just lynch one of the not checked. I don't know what the setup of the Mafia is. If it's only 1 GF than we have among ninjabunnies and barakos a 84% chance of mislynch. It's like these guys are 84% confirmed town. We use everyones cooperation to vote one of the 4 guys, SL, disinformation, sulfurus and boxerfred.
I read SL and disformation town. So I am willing to vote: sulfurus or boxerfred. I'll weight up who of them is scummier tomorrow. But please tell me your opinion, we can only vote one of them. Who of those two do you guys think is more scummy? If you decided on disformation or SL I'd be very unreluctant to accept, but post your case if you think it's totally support them being scum.
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Bats, cakepie said we should talk about the balance of the game after the game is finished. Please don't assume something is fair or not fair for this or that setup. 
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Right I have no experience with it. If you think it's unusual, let's ask cakepie after the game why that is, do you agree?
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On May 29 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:07 plotspot wrote:
Right I have no experience with it. If you think it's unusual, let's ask cakepie after the game why that is, do you agree? That is basically my whole problem. The setup IS unusual no matter how I think about it. And if you or batsnacks are lying this stance might make town lose.
Are you sure you have checked all the possibilities (also from the side of mafia) and came to the conclusion that it is unusual? No one is lying we are simply unclaimed blue roles, that's all there is to it. We should avoid talking about, it can only benefit mafia considering CClaiming.
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bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly.
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On May 29 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:17 plotspot wrote:On May 29 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:On May 29 2015 06:07 plotspot wrote:
Right I have no experience with it. If you think it's unusual, let's ask cakepie after the game why that is, do you agree? That is basically my whole problem. The setup IS unusual no matter how I think about it. And if you or batsnacks are lying this stance might make town lose. Are you sure you have checked all the possibilities (also from the side of mafia) and came to the conclusion that it is unusual? No one is lying we are simply unclaimed blue roles, that's all there is to it. We should avoid talking about, it can only benefit mafia considering CClaiming. I would tell you this as either alignment: 4 blues in this setup is unusual. Meaning it wouldn't be terrible for you to be at least slightly suspicious of my claim. I think tiktok is objectively the most likely to be telling the truth. If you don't understand why you can ask. We should definitely -not- avoid talking about it. Mafia is never going to cc anything for the rest of the game it would be suicide at this point. If you don't understand why you can ask. Here is every possibility: - plots is lying. The blue roles are mason-mason-cop.
- batsnacks is lying. The blue roles are mason-mason-roleblocker
- plots and batsnacks are lying. The blue roles are mason-mason.
- plots and batsnacks are telling to truth. The blue roles are mason-mason-roleblocker-cop.
Assume anyone lying is mafia. Nothing else is possible.
Ok I think I get it. Thanks for detailiing it out.
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Or maybe if you have time you can explain to me why mason-mason is so strong. In my inexperienced eye they are just two confirmed towns to each other, and this gives them some sort of potential to sheep and defend each other, but I cannot see how it's related to these night-activity roles. I feel like I compare bananas and apples.
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On May 29 2015 06:52 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 06:41 plotspot wrote:
Or maybe if you have time you can explain to me why mason-mason is so strong. In my inexperienced eye they are just two confirmed towns to each other, and this gives them some sort of potential to sheep and defend each other, but I cannot see how it's related to these night-activity roles. I feel like I compare bananas and apples. Mason-mason is strong because they can confirm each other town to the rest of the town. Unfortunately breshke died without saying who his partner is, but I think tiktok is telling the truth because if he is mafia he is risking being cced by breshke's partner (if breshke has a partner). 2 masons are almost as strong as 1 cop for town. Using this game as an example: I am the cop and I got two green checks before I will inevitably die tonight, so godfathers not considered I was able to get two checks. If two masons confirm each other town, that's very similar to two checks.
Do you think the flavour of cakepie mentioning both of the Mason roles is a tell that there are actually 2 of them?
Also, if you have a mason-mason cop rb setup is it still unusual if mafia has two GFs instead of one?
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On May 29 2015 07:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 07:03 Tictock wrote:
@ Bats
If you even have the slightest doubt that I am not Bre's partner.
I'm here, ask away.
I still need to look through your filter and double check that I believe your Cop claim. Besides that one slim point I made, I really was willing to believe it earlier. It matches up with your play being somewhat lurky and you not always giving us great reasoning for stuff. I also think you doubting your own checks now given unknown setups means you are more willing to look at this game critically, which makes you obv town.
Not that we have any way of verifying but it might be cool for you to paraphrase what you and breshke were talking about.
I second that question, Tictock. Can you tell us whether you guys expected that Breshke would be killed on N2 for example, and whether such a kill could lead us to anyone?
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On May 29 2015 07:52 Tictock wrote:
@ BF
27nb has still not done much of real value, and has not added much to the discussion today. She was willing to say that GF was a possibility and that Cop checks cant be 100%. That's about the only thing giving me pause atm, but I could see that coming from either alignment as it's an easy thing to state.
My stance on plots is that he is Mafia RB trying to hide as Town RB. It's a bold move though, so it should be looked at critically. But when I do that his claim falls apart, him RBing Bara makes 0 sense as you can tell he hasn't liked me very much since I've been pressuring him so hard yet is fairly null about Bara. Who in their right mind as RB would not block Me if they felt as plots seems to N2? Not only that but his entire filter is his graphics and reads D1 and his whole OMGUS thing with me. I tried to give him a pass as misguided town but his persistence to fill the thread with nonsense along with the fact that I've pointed out he's pushing bad town logic (maybe you don't agree it's as strong as I think it is) tells me he is scum.
I've given my reasons why I've been townreading Dis the whole game multiple times. He has shown clear and critical thinking, has been willing to admit he's wrong, doesn't deflect questions, pushes his own ideas... etc etc. I don't feel like restating my read on him, you can find it in my filter.
Let's see if I can be logically Mafia RB. After Scott died, and I would be the second Mafia RB, I blocked Rels she is killed at the same time, then I claim at N2 that someone has RB me. Would I as mafia really do something like this If I didn't know whether town does not have a RB themselves?
Let's see. I don't think my remaining Mafia partner would approve. First of all we are down 2 men. If we had 2 Mafia RBs then town is very likely to have at least one, or am I wrong? Someone with more experience with setup could clarify this? We can agree that we only have one RB right? otherwise by now there would already be at least 3 people who claimed being roleblocked and the the real Town RB claiming. But that's not the case.
So we only have one more RB (Scott Mafia RB is already dead). If that RB is Mafia what else does town have? Again I'm not familiar with possible setups but is something like like Mafia RB 2x, Goon/Godfather possible when town only has 2 Masons and 1 Cop?
Ok let's just say this was the case, at that time when Breshke was killed, wouldn't that mean I'd not better RB the kill target like scum usually does, so how does Barakos get to be the target? This is like implying Barakos is scum coming out pretending to have been the target. That's kind of a stretch isn't it? We then already know that Barakos is the GF because he was already copchecked by bats.
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF. Would I as mafia point it out like this, or would I'd rather hide it?
The most plausible thing is that I'm am Town RB, not Mafia RB neither in case that town had also a Town RB as well as do not have a Town RB? Did I not consider anything?
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Yeah and I can kinda see how my actions are not consistent with what I officialize in this thread. I really considered blocking you too, even SL and Breshke at some point (all town reads) so you're right that I suck at decision making. I'll try better next time, maybe you guys can help. Since I claimed now we can just discuss it at N.
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On May 29 2015 11:38 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2015 08:45 plotspot wrote:
Ok let's just say this was the case, at that time when Breshke was killed, wouldn't that mean I'd not better RB the kill target like scum usually does, so how does Barakos get to be the target? This is like implying Barakos is scum coming out pretending to have been the target. That's kind of a stretch isn't it? We then already know that Barakos is the GF because he was already copchecked by bats.
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF. Would I as mafia point it out like this, or would I'd rather hide it?
The most plausible thing is that I'm am Town RB, not Mafia RB neither in case that town had also a Town RB as well as do not have a Town RB? Did I not consider anything?
@ Plots First the bolded question is one that I already posed to you, and is still one that you as Town RB need to answer in depth. Why did you think Bara was scum and block him? You've posted town or null reads on him before and after N2, so what did he do to make you think you had better block him? You also seem to suggest that Bara is potentially the GF here. Is that what you were thinking? You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him?
No Tictock. You keep saying I’m the Mafia RB as a reason why you vote me. Then explain to me this?
Why do I as Mafia RB block Barakos and not Breshke on N2, when I did block Rels on N1?
Why do I as Mafia RB reveal to town that there is an RB, when Mafia is benefits more from keeping stuff like this hidden?
Why do I as Mafia RB point out to you that the only way it is possible for me to be Mafia RB is if it leads town directly to my scumpartner, when I’m playing to win and not to lose?
If you cannot answer these questions convincingly don’t even mention me as a possible Mafia RB to scumread me. You’re like “I make a weak sauce case on this guy why I think he is a Mafia RB that doesn’t hold for 30 seconds, but it’s ok I just risk that town loses an important power role”, which is a ridiculus way of thinking for a townie. Or do you want to doubt my RB status as boxerfred did?
If after considering all things you acknowledge that I cannot be the Mafia RB in this constellation and post it here, I will surely provide to you with a satisfactory reason, why I changed my mind on Barakos for when I checked him. It’s sitting right next here to me. Do we have a deal?
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This questions of yours makes no sense "You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him?" in terms of chronological game order. Barakos was copchecked on N1. On N2 batsnacks ninja-posted anout this at very last minute in fear he would die. There is no way for me to somehow know about this beforehand in order not to like and use ot as a reasoon to RB Barakos.
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