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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:07 GMT
#2500
That EoN graphic though... lol.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:08 GMT
#2501
I also 100% agree with Bara. I think thats why I was scumming him so hard, his town play was so bad.

So he literally used a RB twice on the NK target, then throws away his last chance to use his RB to help town?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:17 GMT
#2512
On June 03 2015 07:15 sicklucker wrote:
I doubt the mafia is gonna cc. There already mathematically elimated I doubt this changes anything. There just a stubborn newb dragging this out


Why do I feel like this is a subtle jab at me...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:21 GMT
#2515
On June 03 2015 07:18 Barakos wrote:
Since he is in both possible matchups:

vote: boxerfred

for now... will be probably changed, when boxer says something. ^^

If he doesn't show up, we just lynch him anyways and if the game doesn't end there we get rid of disfo, i guess.


I'll go ahead and sheep Bara for now. + Show Spoiler +
Pretty sure I should avoid my own thinking atm >.<


I want to re-read his filter as I felt like my read on him was fairly weak. I do still read Dis as pretty likely town though, so BF seems like a good lynch.

##Vote: boxerfred
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:42 GMT
#2526
On June 03 2015 07:31 boxerfred wrote:
Thanks. SL is fakeclaiming. I was blocked, just as I asked Plots to do. SL delivered the kill.

##vote Sicklucker


Crap now I really have to reread your filter...

I will say this though.

I think SL is more likely to be scum here and not concede. If BF was scum given his play this game I dont think he'd be confident enough to try and keep on with this game...

That's probably a little bit WIFOM, so I'm not switching my vote just yet. Least not till I read your filter more BF.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:43 GMT
#2528
Oh Bara already switched to SL?

Well, I'll at least do this for now then.

##Unvote
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:43 GMT
#2529
On June 03 2015 07:43 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:42 Tictock wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:31 boxerfred wrote:
Thanks. SL is fakeclaiming. I was blocked, just as I asked Plots to do. SL delivered the kill.

##vote Sicklucker


Crap now I really have to reread your filter...

I will say this though.

I think SL is more likely to be scum here and not concede. If BF was scum given his play this game I dont think he'd be confident enough to try and keep on with this game...

That's probably a little bit WIFOM, so I'm not switching my vote just yet. Least not till I read your filter more BF.

Wow.


Sorry, didn't mean to insult you or anything.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 23:02 GMT
#2535
On June 03 2015 07:53 Barakos wrote:
Tictock:

Plots' last post before he announced, he would random his block said, he would block bf.
Is it possible, that he tried to randomize, got told, that wasn't possible and then switched to sl without telling us? Totally...
Is it likely? I'll give this a 2%-chance, given plots' play the entire game.
Maybe he thought, we would figure it out, that he wasn't allowed to random and thought it was funny, to shock us one last time with his... astonishing... townplay, I don't know.
But our best bet is to believe he didn't switch without telling and just played one last trick on us, so I'll just go with his last call he actually stated in the thread and believe he blocked bf, therefor sl lies.

Else we have to blame plots for prolonging the game for 3 more days, cause that's all it really does.


Humm I like your reasoning here Bara...

And I still hate how SL posts garbage like this,
On June 03 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
lol im not even dealing with this now. Boxerfred what your doing here is way out of line. your just trying to lynch me here for stats. If I didnt have a huge streak of never getting mislynched I would just ignore it but ill come back later to own you and teach you a lesson


As usual, he only cares about the game when it's his own life at stake or when he can make statements about him being the most important person in the game.

Well guess what SL, you just got your wish. Welcome to popularity, where you get all the votes.

##Vote: sicklucker
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 00:37 GMT
#2552
Idk I feel like SL is floundering hard here. Usually when he's under pressure he starts being reasonable, but this looks like he's starting to reach hard to me.

On June 03 2015 08:57 sicklucker wrote:
Like barakos are you this dumb? Like how sick would it be if theres really two mafia left. like holy fuck I think there might be thats the only way this makes any sense


On June 03 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote:
but then your another gf. wth screw this.

I have given complete logic as to why im confirmed town and never partnered with bunnies. Bf is clearly salty I killed his two mafia team mates and is trying to swag on me even tho he cant win.

All you need to know is that I would have conceded. I would not bm bf in a newbie game and swag on him like this in a game where everyones confirmed town but him and me.

Thats all you need to know as a veteran of this site I would not embarras myself by wasting 24 hours to lynch a newbie for no reason.


As to the bolded statement.

SL the only reason I'm still here is because I'm truely hoping you DON'T represent this community. Thankfully with all my talking with Bre before and stuff from last game I know your not typical here.

However if I do give you a fair shake and read your post. Wouldn't Dis be likely scum? He's the only one not being scummed atm. If he is mafia he is sitting pretty, no way does he consider conceding right now.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 01:10 GMT
#2558
On June 03 2015 09:55 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:37 Tictock wrote:
Idk I feel like SL is floundering hard here. Usually when he's under pressure he starts being reasonable, but this looks like he's starting to reach hard to me.

On June 03 2015 08:57 sicklucker wrote:
Like barakos are you this dumb? Like how sick would it be if theres really two mafia left. like holy fuck I think there might be thats the only way this makes any sense


On June 03 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote:
but then your another gf. wth screw this.

I have given complete logic as to why im confirmed town and never partnered with bunnies. Bf is clearly salty I killed his two mafia team mates and is trying to swag on me even tho he cant win.

All you need to know is that I would have conceded. I would not bm bf in a newbie game and swag on him like this in a game where everyones confirmed town but him and me.

Thats all you need to know as a veteran of this site I would not embarras myself by wasting 24 hours to lynch a newbie for no reason.


As to the bolded statement.

SL the only reason I'm still here is because I'm truely hoping you DON'T represent this community. Thankfully with all my talking with Bre before and stuff from last game I know your not typical here.

However if I do give you a fair shake and read your post. Wouldn't Dis be likely scum? He's the only one not being scummed atm. If he is mafia he is sitting pretty, no way does he consider conceding right now.


Um...
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:10 sicklucker wrote:
plots you freakin donkey.. I was roleblocked.

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:31 boxerfred wrote:
Thanks. SL is fakeclaiming. I was blocked, just as I asked Plots to do. SL delivered the kill.

##vote Sicklucker


Since only one of those two could have been roleblocked one is lying. Why would town lie about having been roleblocked? One of those two has to be the last mafia. Unless I am a second mafia roleblocker that has never used his ability in the entire game until now...

so sicklucker is 100% refering to boxerfred, who he thinks is not surrendering despite 100% having lost the game.
Why 100% win?
We lynch either boxerfred and sicklucker today and the other one tomorrow.
town wins.


Yea I agree today has to be about those 2 kus of that. That made sense about you for a second when I took SL's post seriously in regards to the conceding logic.

Just another reason why it's dangerous to do that...
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 01:32 GMT
#2561
You guys prob prefer me not doing big cases anymore right? I'm kinda burnt out on them and having my own tunnel being shoved in my face with those flips does a lot to calm a man down.

I'm starting to work through BF's filter but am realizing I prob wont have some fantastic analysis at the end of it. I'll try to keep my conclusions short and to the point.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 02:40 GMT
#2566
On June 03 2015 11:16 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 10:31 disformation wrote:
One last thing... I just remembered this gem:
On May 22 2015 19:34 boxerfred wrote:
On May 22 2015 19:28 Rels wrote:
On May 22 2015 19:07 boxerfred wrote:
On May 22 2015 17:12 Rels wrote:
As for know I will vote for the AFK until he post something. Then I'll vote for the people I don't like, I'll probably sheep Sulfurus unless he vote someone I don't agree with.

##Vote: boxerfred

Well I'm AFK since I am on an EU schedule. However since I dislike people that vote for me, I'm willing to vote for them. However, I feel like voting randomly / for no reason rather means that someone wants to make a destructive impact to the game which strongly speaks for them being an evildoer. Thus I'd strongly recommend Rels to be checked upon.


You seem pretty defensive for what was just a policy vote until you posted something.

On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote:
I have no idea who I should vote for :/


What is your most scum read atm ?

Yeah I hate being voted out in first rounds because it just ruins the game for me. I'm a bad loser.

My most scum read is Bill Murray but it's more indications than bullet proof theories.


Bold font was added by me to highlight stuff.


lol nice find


It scares me that I'm agreeing with SL, but that was a nice find Dis.

Also having reviewed BF's filter, I can totally see him being scum here.

I'm willing to put my opinions about SL aside, besides I have been town reading him most of the game. If BF being lynched doesn't end the game I'll likely re-evaluate, but for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: boxerfred


Actually decided to re look at how EoD went yesterday before I pushed post. BF is obv scum, I can't believe I missed it before (I really was that tunneled huh?).

He tried to hold his vote on 27nb till the last second and have the day end in a draw. It's actually cakes mod post that makes me think he did this as scum believeing ties worked differently here...

Not sure how i feel about that actually, but yea BF is scum here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 02:54 GMT
#2567
On June 03 2015 11:40 Tictock wrote:
He tried to hold his vote on 27nb till the last second and have the day end in a draw. It's actually cakes mod post that makes me think he did this as scum believeing ties worked differently here...

Not sure how i feel about that actually, but yea BF is scum here.


Eh even ignoring the mod post, his switch EoD off of 27nb, and then his first post today seals it enough for me.

On June 02 2015 07:32 boxerfred wrote:
wow my D2 and D3 votes finally made sense. so now confirm one out of SL/Dis by roleblocking, and we're done.

On June 02 2015 07:36 boxerfred wrote:
I think the strongest things that speak for me are my votes.

Day 2: I voted bunnies, thus making the difference. Check the vote log, when I voted bunnies I swapped the majority onto her. Day 3: same, I voted her till the end, but look who switched: disinfo. Now, when the vote cannot be changed, look at who claims that he proudly voted bunnies: SL.

Blocking Dis, hanging SL (or the other way round) should do the trick.


He's trying to show that he had been voting 27nb all along and then throw scum on Dis and SL. Yet you really can't make these claims after you try and swap your vote like BF did EoD off of 27nb. That clearly shows you didn't want her lynched.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 02:57 GMT
#2568
@ Bara

I'm not dismissing what you said, but honestly at this point. Who the hell knows what the hell plots was thinking with his RB's? I mean, he obv was Town RB but I think I had good reasons to be scumming him given his RB choices all game. I'm not going to use his logic to make my decisions.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 06:56 GMT
#2573
Wait did SL really send you PM's BF?

That is such an asshole move SL, I didnt think you'd stoop that low...

That really pisses me off
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 07:53 GMT
#2585
On June 03 2015 16:43 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 16:37 sicklucker wrote:
i mean its a bit meh and i regret it. But its in a sitation where he cced me AND the games mathematically over. I get that hes newer and may have thought he had a chance but like everyone in the game is confirmed town like comeon I feel like it was worse then a slow role


When I play werewolf IRL, it's considered BM to push someone to concede. I think it's way cooler to watch the almost confirmed mafia struggle ... and when he wins 1% of the time, the entire group lose its shit and calls him gosu.

So I think all your "don't concede=idiot" were BM. And of course PM was rule breaking. A shame 'cause you're super funny and your posts made me laugh all game long )=


I agree with this 100%.

Btw Rels you were quite impressive for a newbie D1. No idea why plots decided to RB you, I do see why mafia NK'd you.

GG everyone.

Sorry to plots for the tunnel. I was pretty rough on you all game long. I really just never understood your thinking which made me keep coming back to you as possible scum. Hopefully no hard feelings? I know I wasn't offended by your tunnel on me D3.

Special thanks to Bre for helping me break out of my tunnel on SL and see that he was probably town for the rest of the game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 08:03 GMT
#2590
I do want to add one more thing...

To the "Veterans" who sign up for these newbie games. You need to keep in mind that when you play in these games you are representing your community. You are giving people their first impressions of what it would be like to play on these forums regularly.

I know y0su decided to stop playing here after last newbie game (he sent me a PM), and I wouldn't blame BF for doing the same. There were plenty of times that I was super pissed off at BM for just going "Nah not going to read old posts" and other times when I felt like i was just getting ignored + Show Spoiler +
granted that was because I was tunneled, but nobody bothered to do anything but tell me I was wrong until I started screaming for people to help me untunnel.
. THe thought of leaving these forums has def crossed my mind, but I know that 2 games does not represent a community... not everyone is as patient as I though.

I'm not really trying to judge anyone's playstyle here or w/e, but do keep in mind that acting shitty or like you just don't care in these games will scare people away from this community pretty easily.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 03 2015 08:07 GMT
#2591
On June 03 2015 17:00 Breshke wrote:
I want to be a mason every game


I was pretty fun wasn't it?

I really missed our QT, lol. Like I started treating my coach QT the same way... Thankfully i don't think HTS minded.

Which reminds me, special shoutout to HTS for being a kickass coach. I told her right off the bat that I liked to play and figure things out on my own (plus i had Bre to chat with about stuff I didn't understand), but she still was posting stuff in the QT trying to offer any advice she thought would be useful, just in case I came back to read it.

Sorry I get so frustrated in that QT near the end of the game HTS.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 17:22 GMT
#2646
On June 04 2015 00:14 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 23:29 Rels wrote:
On June 03 2015 22:59 boxerfred wrote:
So here's the masterplan:

I was voting bunnies so fucking often. D2, D3, and it was really risky. Day 2, my vote would've been the decider to get her lynched. Day 3 - I couldn't know that bats would jump on Sulf and Dis would coinflip on Sulf, too. So we figured out that we needed the last scum member to have huge town cred. I wanted to vote on Sicklucker at the end of D4, he'd be lynched, flip town, boom boxerfred goes down, boom bunnies is so fucking confirmed that she can easily get the lynch on Dis, especially with plots playing strange and tictocks going all tinfoil-hatty. Of course there'd always be the possibility of me getting out of the lynch, I think at this point pushing Barakos wouldn't have been too hard, given that bunnies would not have been dead.

However, I misunderstood the lynching rule. I thought that whoever gets voted on most recently, dies. That made the whole plan blow up.

That error, in conjunction with SL's behaviour, really made me feel dumb. So I decided to grab a straw: plots' "yolo block". When I found out that this would not work, it was easy for me to claim that I was blocked, CC'ing SL. By now I think it would've been even better to have claimed that I was not blocked: I would only say that SL lied, even without CC'ing him, thus making Dis still a probable scum member.

If the lynch on SL would've gotten through, the game was still winnable. Even in the situation of CC'ing SL, I had a thing prepared: when he'd be lynched and flip town, I'd just say that he lied about having been blocked for the sake of confirming me scum. I think with tictocks alive as the decider between disinfo and me, this might have actually worked out.

However I'm not wasting another 48hrs + 24hrs + 24/48hrs on someone who's continuesly dragging the game in the mud. I'm here for the funsies, not for the frustrations. Therefore I conceded even before EoD. I think the chances of actually winning this game for scum were somewhere around 20-40%, depending on Dis' behaviour D4.

GG, thanks for the fun and the effort to all


Wow nice plans, would have looved to see that in action. (= Especially the first one with you getting bussed by bunnies.

For the second one though, I think you are overestimating your chances, no way you have even 1 chance out of 5 that TT doesn't vote you after you CC and lynch SL. plot even made a super nice graph sealing your doom IMO.

Anyway you played really good (= looking forward for next game!


As soon as he CCed SL, his chances of winning the game is 0% imo. His chances to make the vote between him and Dis, and people going for Dis is about 1%, especially since Tictock, Bara, SL and Dis read him scum. After Dis dies, his chance of getting SL lynched is about 1% too.

Originally I thought of sticking to the plan too, but then I saw Tictcok was still not out of his tunnel, despite his claim. He has done said to let it off 3 times, but his huge post where he imagined in detail as to what a scum!plots was doing, just indicates to me that he will come back and scumread me again. I'm not mad about him for doing this; but I have to take this into consideration. If I announced I RB SL to confirm him town, BF was very likely to kill SL, to use his chances with Tictock. He indicated that in his Scum QT. Tictock would be more like WTF? This guy blocked 3 times the NK? Something is wrong here, again. We could have deflected it and point it out to him again why if Barakos is town than I'm Town RB, but since that night he also had a new reason: I was still Mafia RB, who blocked the 3 NK, but made an exception for Barakos because we were sure Breshke was not a Vet and hence doesn't need to be RBed. It's totally low risk to just kill someone without blocking him. I basically had to do it like this, this plan only worked if I had Tictock's support 100%, because it included me still living in some scenarios. If he was still tunneled and believed I was some masterplan mafia, it would have been too dangerous, or at least inconvenient to me again. Plus Barakos and Tictock showed some uncertainty about SL that night. So I thought I'd rather clear him and let him deal with whoever is CCing him.

A pity really, I'd love to see a flavour where nothing happened at night.


I'm glad to hear your not upset by my tunnel on you, it was a fairly bad one. There were quite a few things that pushed me down that line of thought + Show Spoiler +
between the way you danced around your claim, your RB's not making any sense, your tunnel on me at the time, and just a not getting where your head was at all game
, and it wasn't until Bara shared that link about setup balancing that I started to snap out of it. You are right, that if BF had killed SL and you had RB'd him I would have been back on you pretty hardcore.

I wasn't too worried about the situation your talking about here though. I think you were 100% the NK target as Town RB and a play like you are suggesting would have been rather risky for Scum since your RB power gets pretty important at that stage of the game. Course, HAD you blocked BF that last night, you would have confirmed him as mafia. Even my doubts about you would have been challenged if there was no NK.

Anyways, nice to hear some of your thoughts post-game as they make much more sense to me now. I still can't believe you decided to block bats because of some random thing SL said though... lol.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 04 2015 18:13 GMT
#2647
On June 04 2015 08:03 batsnacks wrote:
thx for hosting a 2hu flavored game cakepie all the small details like ##watch warmly and the loading screen were adorable. Zun would be proud.


I'll second this. I'm not into 2hu so most of the flavor and stuff went over my head, but I appreciated the obv effort you were putting in cake. You did a great job putting in flavor and small things throughout the game, like that one vote in (I assume?) Japanese.

I'll likely have more thoughts after your postmortem.
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