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On May 06 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 06:54 ritoky wrote:
he is already town. as a newer player he spearheads a lynch on a townie day 1 and really believed in his read, which for a non new player is meh, but a newer player doesnt usually make that play as mafia. so he is already super town. i then say his read makes no sense to me, he stays calm, tries his best to explain the read, displays a healthy level of paranoia in his reads and seems legitimately flustered over being wrong. he then stops himself from going too far in the tank. it is a blatant stream of consciousness post all in the form of a town mindset on top of him being super town to begin with. guy is so town it hurts. Alright, fair. I also interpret "confirmed" town as a flipped town or a DT check or some mechanic that actually literally confirms that person, which is why I asked.
let's put it this way, if anyone tries to lynch that guy in a non-f3 and i am still alive. i am going to lynch them. that's how town he is.
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Legacy post - need to do it a bit early since my husband's ribbing me wanting to play League. Le fucking sigh.
Anyhow...
Likely Town
Celestial (would be interested in how he sees people N1)
Stutters695 (post D1 play, would have to see inconsistencies to move down)
Leaning town
ritoky (will revisit to confirm either way - questioning of myself seemed reasonably thought out but do have a fear read based on meta)
y0su (move down if he falls off)
Slight town to null
Fecalfeast (had a good d1 IMO, but I need to understand where he's coming from with his latest reads)
Null
sicklucker (will move down if he's not contributing much)
Review pending
disinformation (nothing scum jumps out at me at the moment, but I want to revisit his filter for any possible mafia motivations)
Leaning scum
Shining (could move up or down, pending responses)
Tictock (I know he's in the process of responding, will update if he does before I have to AFK)
Scum
Superbia (Inconsistencies are adding up - could move up if I can get an explanation for what I feel is a mafia agenda. EoD behaviour, what I feel is deflection/misdirection)
Lynch It With Fire
prplhz (EoD behaviour/post lynch behaviour and that wishy washy sequences of posts on tictock)
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Ok, lets start with HtS's question about this post
On May 04 2015 19:40 Tictock wrote:
I'm having a hard time deciding who I want to vote for as well.
Scott is still the most appealing case, even though I have some doubts.
I'm tempted to make a case against prp but there just isn't enough to go on. I just don't like his dismissive post regarding how he "spams town" normally and says he isn't around. If he is legit too busy to play a town would likely replace, this seems more like a scum excuse to skate by day 1.
Unfortunately that's all I have as prp, as well as several other ppl, just aren't active enough to make real reads on.
As she points out, and I state in an earlier post, at this point I've been having doubts about the scum read on scott. While the votes on him at this point were light, it seemed pretty clear to me that everyone was planning to vote on scott. In my eyes, he was pretty mush for sure to get lynched at this point as there was just no body else under suspicion. So, I wasn't going by vote count, rather the fact that so many people had him scum read and there was no other target. Thus he was already a bandwagon and "too easy" a target even before the votes rolled in.
It was also in this post that I had read everyone's filters and prp's stood out to me. Not only was it SUPER short but there was literally nothing of value in it. The fact that this had slid by everyone else while the focus was on scott seemed wrong to me so I started to focus him and the other inactives.
In hindsight, it would have been better to just throw my vote out on prp here (or soon after), but I was unsure if that would carry much weight as it would basically be a policy vote due to inactivity.
On May 05 2015 07:58 Tictock wrote:
I feel like I'm scrambling so hard against the clock atm. Was supposed to have an extra hour to put some solid thought into this EoD but work had me stay late.
HtS, I know you asked me about an exchange between Super and -c-, but I'm not sure which you are reffering to atm and don't have time to dig and respond to that right now. Sorry.
As I've said, scotts latest posts feel genuine to me. -c- has a pretty solid case but my sense is that -c- joined and jumped on scott's poor play pretty hard. -c- reads as town to me but I think just got tunneled hard on scott. This has left mafia have free reign and has given breathing room to several people who never got pressured into participating due to the focus on scott.
In that regard prp finally comes back and jumps onboard the newly formed HtS wagon. Entire argument is from a meta read and is generally just posting shit.
I'm sticking with my scum read on him.
##Vote: prplhz
So then comes EoD. I got home about 1.5 hours before deadline (again, was planning on being home close to 3 hours to deadline) and tried my best to read everything I had missed and form a better vote. I was able to read everything, including -c-'s full case against scott, but it didn't change my opinion. -c- was still tunneled on the same things, with weak scum reads on his recent posts and scotts own posts continued to read town, though poorly played town (I still wish he hadn't given up to the pressure and tried to defend himself more, but at that point I think he correctly assumed trying to flat out refute the claims against him wasn't going to help and decided to focus on making some reads and playing town).
This left me in pretty much the same boat as where i was before, I no longer believed scott was scum, but HtS was the only other "real" option at the time. I stated in my original post why I didn't agree with that vote either.
So that left prp who I'd been looking at recently anyways. His EoD posts added nothing and I still read scum on him. So I decided to follow my own opinions and vote for prp rather than let my opinions slide and jump on a wagon with everyone else.
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On May 01 2015 14:56 The Shining wrote:
Oh we're doing pregame excuses?
I play at work. I don't work Mondays-Tuesdays. Assuming I survive that long, if my activity drops drastically from Sunday night to Tuesday night, it's NAI.
Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for.
Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me.
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Oh I should add before I get lost in reading. I still have prp as my top scum.
He was completely absent all of D1, then appear EoD and suddenly jumps on HtS for some kinda meta read.
On May 05 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote:
okay wtf deadline is tonight
i don't know about scot31337. i got a good feeling about him pointing out that the shining was joking when other people couldn't see it. i also don't feel like lynching into some new guy for hardly any reason, did that way too much in last student mini.
actually i'd much rather lynch hts. hts pointing out last game that it was obvious we were going in the wrong direction when we lynched a new guy for the third day in a row but now she doesn't mind continuing for a fourth day in a row? i don't know the cases on scot31337 don't speak to me at all and one of them is by celestial that i also have a bad feeling about (that people don't share for some reason).
also hts is scum reading me for saying shining's entrance was super odd, but she's not scum reading the people who felt the same thing about it? FF ritoky super felt the same way, why is she picking me out of all players?
##Vote Half The Sky
Basically dismissing the whole scott case because of a joke, and going after HtS of all people due to her going with the scott case.
After EoD he totally drops HtS and does this.
On May 05 2015 23:52 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 23:33 Superbia wrote:
Stutters, you were obviously around at EoD. You responded to my ninja ping out within seconds. You were lurking. Why the fuck would you lurk at EoD if you were town? this*1000
On May 05 2015 23:53 prplhz wrote:
i actually think stutters is best lynch tomorrow just for that single thing
Still so quick to jump on anyone. He goes back and forth on me regarding my EoD vote but doesn't really add anything new to that. Honestly of his whole filter I find one post that has any merit.
On May 06 2015 04:10 prplhz wrote:
dunno i think ticktock looks horrible for throwing away his vote like that and stutters for staying around during deadline and not say anything other than some overly aggressive remark at superbia... and i still hts has a major logical dissonanse in how she's scum reading me for something she's not scumreading other people for. it doesn't even make sense so say i'm scum because of a remark i made that like 3 other people agreed with, obviously we're not all scum.
but lol hts is kind of right, i'm just scum reading everybody who is scum reading me. gonna trust my town reads and try to read more into the people who are just hanging out in the middle of everything.
So yea, I'll be carrying my vote from D1 into D2.
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On May 06 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
dystopian future is posting more freely than I think a new scum would. So toneread I guess
sl rubbing me the wrong way seems more concerned with calling himself town than with finding scum,
shining should actually be stutters for only entering the tthread when talked about
y0su doesn't bring anything up in my brain when I think about him do you have something on him?
So you've got me as lynchable but not prpl. What in the flying fuck.
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On May 06 2015 07:18 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
dystopian future is posting more freely than I think a new scum would. So toneread I guess
sl rubbing me the wrong way seems more concerned with calling himself town than with finding scum,
shining should actually be stutters for only entering the tthread when talked about
y0su doesn't bring anything up in my brain when I think about him do you have something on him? So you've got me as lynchable but not prpl. What in the flying fuck.
Admittedly, I read this as a scumread on Shining and not of you, but either way he needs to explain that.
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Tictock, there are 3 scummers in this game. Do you have any insights on who you feel are the other two? (or if you posted/inferred somewhere, can you quote?)
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Anyhow I'm out. Until I return, if I return. Good night.
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On May 06 2015 07:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Tictock, there are 3 scummers in this game. Do you have any insights on who you feel are the other two? (or if you posted/inferred somewhere, can you quote?)
At this point I'm re-reading and waiting to see how N1 turns out. Early D2 I will give everyone my reads, assuming I don't bite it in the night here first ofc.
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Night 1 big block of reads, just in case I get blown away tonight and won't be able to post my thoughts later.
Tictock - At best a very dirty null here, but honestly I'm not uncomfortable with putting him on the scummy pile for now. He's not got much of a filter but let's see what we got. Firstly he makes a pile of excuses, hammering away about the fact he's a newbie, and then just drifted about saying that he wasn't sure what to make of any of it. His initial reads are towning me and scumming scott (both extremely easy calls to make) without really adding anything as to why he feels that way. Then he wavers on FF which is less in line with the thread. There's a bit of a back and forth about that while he posts a pile of null and town reads on literally everyone else. So his only feeling is towards FF and it seems to be a weak one.
In fairness he does worry away at the problem a bit and doesn't leave it to rest but he also doesn't really stick his head about the parapet for it. Preferring to occasionally throw up concerns without really driving anything. Okay since FF was pretty much universally townread at this point I can see why a newer player would be hesitant to do that but come on...its' your only scumread at this point.
HtS turns up and gets scumread for...well I think for a pretty bad reason. He actually lies a bit here about what he said previously by claiming that he was getting a scum vibe originally, despite the fact his earlier post stated that he had "no real reads" on Superbia. So he's trying to pretend that he's reversing course on a previous red reading, despite not having made that red reading. Proof:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=24#477
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=29#563
Other than that he throws an easy to make scum read on prplhz (who had done basically nothing at this point) and made excuses for scott on the basis that scott seemed "calm", despite the fact scott did basically nothing to try to demonstrate that he was town. Then calls out inactives.
He posts that he doesn't know who to vote for, now he's saying scott is appealing and then says he's tempted to make a case on prplhz but that there isn't enough to go on. He argues that the vote on scott felt too easy but still isn't voting on anyone. He makes excuses for his reads on Shining and Super (despite the fact that his only read on Shining is "I have no real read". Then tries to pull information out of scott who is totally off the radar at this point.
Turning up like two minutes before the deadline he posts a bunch of stuff about how he now doesn't like the scott train and that its allowed a bunch of people to get away without pressure because of the focus on scott. To which I ask why weren't you pressuring them, then? He then throws his vote away by voting prplhz on the basis that he's posting crap and just jumped on a brand new HtS wagon.
Post-flip he's upset about having not voted much earlier...despite the fact it absolutely was not clear which way he was voting in that post. Furthermore he goes on about how he doubts the scott train could have been stopped and yet...I've just checked the votes and timestamps and assuming I'm not misreading this at the time he was umm-ing and ahh-ing over prplhz and scott, scott had two votes and sicklucker had 1. That's hardly an out of control train there.
He makes a bunch of excuses about the wasted vote and is trying to justify it. Then claims he had the same opinion about 12 hours before EoD (despite the fact that that post said he wasn't sure what to do). Sorry but this whole flow of events looks pretty bad. There's nothing overt, but as a whole I don't like it.
Conclusion: His flow of events is horrible here. He beats around the bush all day being fairly inconsistent and then jumps in with moments to go with a completely wasted vote. Dirty as hell.
y0su - Singularly unmemorable for me for actually doing anything which is worrying in and of itself. Filter diving him a fair few things set off alarm bells. Has a three page filter with virtually nothing concrete in it. First page is just a bunch of blabbing. Excuses at the top of the first page and no actual input. Then asking game-related questions about how d1 lynches work out.
His first post of actual note is him complaining that the biggest back and forth is me and scott. He talks about how my first post bugs him, does a bit of WIFOMing and then says it doesn't feel town. But concedes that I have some decent points. Then starts going on about an "uneasy feeling". But his conclusion is that he doesn't want to vote either me OR scott. With the amount of information so far I'd have expected SOME kind of conclusion here and he doesn't bother to push anyone or anything for more information. Just sitting back. Then starts asking MORE questions about how the game goes.
More stuff on me and scott here. He's just rehashing stuff here. Asks frivolous questions and makes frivolous comments. Finally decides to ask someone something directly by lobbing a softball at FF about ritoky; then starts questioning sicklucker about how I was coached last game and as which alignment (which is weird because it's something I've been open about all game, I'm surprised he didn't pick up on it).
Makes some more empty comments about the case on scott and yet goes back to his "strange feeling" on me. And asks about ritoky again. More talking about not wanting to weigh in on the scott vs me thing. Then back to ritoky who he seems really interested in despite the fact that he's not actually trying to push at all.
HtS finally calls y0su out on all these airy-fairy "feelings" about me and pushes him on it. The responses are okay I guess but non of it seems alignment indicative. It's all very "well this doesn't feel quite right". More and more talk fluffing about whether or not to believe whether my argument is genuine or not. Finally comes in after EoD talking again about his uneasiness of the scott wagon and asking about scott's vote and is now weakly commenting on disinformation who is being pressured by other people.
Conclusion: His beating around the busy is worse than Tictock and yet he seems to have gotten away with it, largely I think because he's posted more. But something like 90% of his posting is very vague and trying to be inoffensive and not draw attention. Hell there are hardly any reads in here at all. The only people he seems to have scummed to any extent at all are me, ritoky and recently disinformation. But it's always full of qualifications and "but oh I don't know". Perhaps hiding below the radar whilst still pretending to contribute? He looks really bad but as a new player I'm not entirely sure that's not down to reluctance to just get stuck in. That being said if I don't see some actual effort soon this is going to go entirely red.
disformation - I'm not really buying the recent pushes on him honestly. Not reading him super town but leaning that way. Comes across as the earnest newbie type and I don't think it's a facade. His entire filter is full of asking appropriate questions and prodding at people. Doesn't really come across as particularly afraid either. Picking at things that don't seem right too, even if his inexperience shows a bit sometimes.
Conclusion: Doesn't read mafia for me. Not all of his posts are great but I don't see enough scum markers in them to set off alarm bells in my head.
ritoky - My thoughts shortly after the flip were as follows:
"ritoky has been all over the place, I could still see him as scum but he was already my weakest read and frankly now I don't know what to think."
Since then hs'e been going pretty hard on people which I like a lot more. Enough to pull him back from the scum leaning I still had.
Conclusion: Looked awful to me for most of D1 but is looking a lot better since the flip. Could probably lean town pretty soon if he keeps it up.
The Shining - I like most of his earlier stuff. Especially his response to the HtS thing. Posting very openly. But seems to lack attempts to push on people. Talks a lot ABOUT people but doesn't seem to be pushing on them very hard. Seems mostly to ask questions when people have started to push on him which I don't like too much, thus preventing me from outright townreading. What hurts massively is the recent inactivity too.
Conclusion: Mostly looks alright but I'd like to see more pushing on people and actually getting back in the thread to address issues.
Half the Sky - I already posted my thoughts on reading HtS earlier here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=47#939
Conclusion: I don't think I'm in a very good spot to make a judgement on her because I'm pretty much biased into being suspicious. I'll have to give it way more thought than the time I have here (I want to post this before EoN in case I get shot). I'd very much appreciate seeing other people's views on her to help with this.
Superbia - I didn't like a lot of his stuff early on at all but it gradually progressed to a really good place lately. So he's gone from fairly deeply red right back to null. I particularly like the fact that he didn't like the fact that there was only one train for the vote. He's calling people out for crap they posted and isn't afraid to ruffle some feathers.
I don't actually have time to read his entire filter in detail right now because its massive (nine pages) so my thoughts might change once I've done that in full. That said I couldn't D2 lynch him at this point anymore.
Conclusions: Can't townread yet, but has made up massively for what I felt was a fairly suspicious early game.
FecalFeast - Town although sometimes he seems a little TOO laid back because nobody seems to be pressuring him. Regardless he's poking at the right things, questioning people and isn't afraid to take people on.
Conclusion: If he isn't town I'll be very, very sad.
prplhz - Already posted about this last night and literally nothing has changed since then. Number one lynch target as far as I'm concerned.
Conclusions: See this post for my thoughts on prplhz, such as they are:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=45#881
sicklucker - Lots of nonsense posts and one-liners. Made the "I don't do day 1" excuse. That said I honestly don't read anything so far as mafia. I hardly read anything at all actually here. Seems kinda laid back so MAYBE town but without actual posts to go on...*shrug*
Conclusion: Needs to step it up, but for now I wouldn't be comfortable lynching, not until I've seen D2 play. If he continues like this it'll just be straight red here.
Stutters695 - First page of the filter doesn't contain a huge amount. Another one making excuses by saying "I'm bad at D1" which is something I really, really don't like. Opens by stating he's okay with a sicklucker vote on the basis of HIM not doing D1 which was a bit weird for me but does provide kind of a reasoning behind it (he only said he's bad at D1, not that he's not going to play at all). Pokes a bit at prplhz for things that don't sit right which I like a lot. Eventually goes with the scott lynch.
I'm very eh about his play as a whole, he makes comments on people and doesn't really push very much but isn't afraid to stick his neck out a bit and is rather more decisive than other people playing more passively. That leans me back towards a town leaning. I'm leaving this at null for now. Makes some actual reads when pushed for them and does engage properly. I don't think he's a good D2 lynch unless he doesn't start showing some more assertive play on D2.
Conclusion: Despite my dislike of the "I don't do/am bad at D1" excuse it does somewhat tally with Stutter's actions here. He's trying somewhat but doesn't really have anything special to add it seems. Tentatively leaning town but I want to see a lot more before too much longer; seems to be doing more than sicklucker anyway.
Requests:
y0su: hard reads on everyone. Now if you please. No more of this messing about waving your hands and going "oh I don't know". There's plenty in this thread to get some idea at this point, so no more excuses.
Tictock: same goes for you. Also I'd like to know why, if you felt the scott train wasn't good, did you not try harder to pressure anyone before the deadline to find a different wagon to get rolling?
Stutters and sicklucker: Okay you "don't do day 1" or you're not good on D1, same thing. Either way its Night 1 now and D2 coming up. Please start showing something impressive or I'm just going to start assuming that you're scum trying to hide from actually doing anything.
Everyone: If anyone has thoughts on HtS they can summarise cleanly I'd like to hear them.
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That was uncomfortably close. I started writing an hour and a half ago and figured it wouldn't take more than half an hour.
When it going to the forty five minute mark and was only writing the third one up I knew I'd have to speed up quite a bit. >_>
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Anyway that's all I have. Was going to write thoughts on scott's posts but no time ahead of EoN now.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FIhhLHv.gif) Day Two
FecalFeast the Vanilla Town has been killed.
It is time to determine the next lynch.
The cycle ends at Thursday, May 07 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) at
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Roleblocked. No idea why.
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These hosts so quick though.
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On May 06 2015 08:02 Superbia wrote:
These hosts so quick though.
and quality gifs
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EPT
