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Superbia
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Stutters695
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On May 06 2015 08:09 prplhz wrote: eh i'm at reconsidering things. i had FF sort of townish so that doesn't really give me much new. trying not to tunnel anybody like i tunneled bourneq last game. like, the reason i think hts is scum is because she called me scum for doing X without considering that a lot of people agreed with me on X. she's treating me different for some reason but then i just remembered that in last student mini she did kind of the same thing, she metad onegu (and on false meta but she didn't know that) but refused to meta me. i'm just trying not to tunnel. gonna read some stutters games and see if he really play like this d1 because then i'm really nowhere. i have you as pretty firm town though. same with ritoky. guess i'm susceptible to town read people who think roughly the same things as me. Aaaaaaand? Also she fought against my case on you last time because you were doing stuff d1. This game, not so much. | ||
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Superbia
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Anyone who believes that I'm scummier than: - Tictock - disformation - y0su - The Shining - Half the Sky - prplhz - sicklucker - Stutters695 I am interested to hear your thoughts on all of the above. | ||
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Superbia
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Stutters695
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On May 06 2015 08:53 Superbia wrote: How many times did you edit that post before you posted it? 0. Phone posting, so actually pulling up quotes is a bitch. | ||
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Stutters695
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On May 06 2015 09:00 Superbia wrote: Hmm okay. Can you give some thoughts on the people you have not mentioned yet on the list above? Apologies if you have mentioned them somewhere before. I always prefer to get your current reads and I don't really want to filter dive every time before I interact. Yeah, if you want any detail it'll take a little. Short answers: TT: could be scum or just inexperienced. Currently not someone I'd lynch today Disinfo: would strongly consider lynching if prpl is scum. Without rereading, he doesn't stand out much except something I noted earlier between him and prpl. Yosu: basically forgot he was playing, have to read more Shining: ditto SL: shit load of associations, way too early for them. Still would rather prpl but once I really get into reading up on everyone, I could easily see him. | ||
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Stutters695
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On May 06 2015 09:46 Superbia wrote: If you have a red check on prp you should just claim tbh. Not a cop. He's being worthless. Worthless prpl = scum prpl | ||
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Tictock
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-Celestial- Clear town read. He saw something scummy about scott and went after it, scott made himself look worse and so -c- tunneled him hard. All his posts are full of detailed thought and analysis. I like him questioning my EoD and vote so hard because it was out of place. y0su I was weakly town reading him before, but he's starting to look really scummy when I look at his filter. He is asking questions and staying somewhat active, but he is never reaching any conclusions. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 02:41 y0su wrote: well, that's the problem, look at the biggest back and forth we've had: -c- vs scott. -c- came in with what I feel was a very bold 1st post (list) that bugged me. why would he pick 3 scum out of the active players and and let others slide just because he didn't have a read (afk/low post count)? he had some decent points, but was it all to put on pressure or to start swaying people? without experience, it doesn't feel like something town would do (and this is -c-'s 2nd game afaik) that followed into the rather aggressive finger pointing with scott. I had a weird feel from him from the start and non of what -c- said helped him... but again it just feels like "an easy target" to try to get people to bandwagon. ...but all that leaves me is not wanting to vote for either one (yet). That quote is the closest he gets to really questioning somebody's allignment and he eventually drops it based on what HtS says (not his own analysis he claims to be doing). Also once he drops his questioning of -c- here he votes for scott without ever giving any more reasoning or thought to the game. All of that just stinks of scum to me. disformation I was reading him town before and still do. He is engaged, making reads, and asking questions. I was interested to see if I saw anything in his filter, especially after scott threw his dying vote on him. Even after a couple of reads on dis' filter I couldn't find anything that read as scum to me, and scott's reasoning upon reflection was shit. I'll add it in here just in case anyone wants to check it, but i think we can throw away gleaning anything from scott's vote on disformation. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote: disinformation - + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 10:42 disformation wrote: Thank you very much.  Clarified your stance much better. Well, yes. But this post: Just raises a red flag for me. As I said earlier I have an idea how this could be town motivated. But I don't really see it. Damn. Forgot. =D Have some more:  ritoky I might be leaning a little scum here but he seems neutral to me atm. I don't like his initial jump on towning prp just because they agree on one read, he does rethink it later though when prp is clearly inactive. He made a small poke at me regarding my post when I was unsure how to vote, but he didn't seem to care about my response and even posted a quote of it for HtS while never reacting to it himself. Maybe I gave him a really good answer and he just went with it. The Shining I'm not sure what to think on him, he's pretty inactive thus far and never stood out as taking a stance on anybody. I think he got a bit flustered early on (perhaps too easily?) and that's why he hasn't posted much, but that's not an excuse. I also find it interesting that he initially defended scott as town but ended up voting on him anyways. I guess he's actually scum leaning for me, but I'd like more out of him. Half the Sky A very clear town read for me. Like -c- is very active and engaged, giving lots of reasoning in her posts and doing a great job poking people to get answers and further her reads. The main argument I see in the scum reads against her is that she's not as town as usual? Really guys? Shows why I don't like meta reads, gives people out of game excuses for weird votes and doesn't focus on what is happening THIS game. Sorry to derail my read with that, but she's so town I though I should fill out my read ^.^ Superbia OMG what a complex read on this guy, I've settled on neutral but I see why there are some scum reads on him. First, he is so all over the place. I'm not sure if this is a style of play he has that creates lots of pressure or if it's scum trowing things all over the place to see what sticks. I'm tempted to think it's a style of pressure playing though, and he does follow through with what he does. I see him perusing people on things a lot, a good example is how he spends almost a full page trying to understand FF's read on me. Part of this comes off badly though. Like he's doing things for little or no reason, or just wants to strong arm people into his thinking. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:41 Superbia wrote: The whole wagon is pretty fucking scummy while the HtS wagon is pure as fuck. On May 05 2015 07:55 Superbia wrote: THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS. On May 05 2015 07:49 Superbia wrote: Why is this the best wagon? Why are you voting for him over others? Super has the longest filter of anyone here, which is both good and bad. Good because there is a lot to go off of to try and read him. Bad because a lot of his posts come off as spammy one liners. It is hard to follow his train of thought. He did offer this at one point. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote: All right. Since it's my birthday tomorrow it is likely that I will not be around, not even for EoD, alas. I will try to be, but no promises. I will post where I'm at at this point in time: Town: Ritoky Fecalfeast Lean Town: y0su - Filter feels natural. Really liked the question regarding ritoky's transition from loopiness to serious. Null(ish): prplhz: I am conflicted. On the one hand I liked his very early d1 jokey behaviour and his ping on shining. On the other hand, he asks me what I think of celestial, even though I was one of the most outspoken persons when it came to celestial (feels like he isn't paying attention). Also hasn't really done anything. scott: Meh. I need to really interact with the dude but I haven't done so. He cleared his thought process on the HtS thing, which feels natural. I had him as town before that because he felt like he was relaxed, but I'm not comfortable putting him on the town pile due to a healthy dose of suspicion (e.g. the whole trusting the shining debacle). Lean Scum: disinformation - Promises to read filters with no real result (imo). This post looks really weird: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2015 19:56 disformation wrote:ritoky: Your two pushes so were were easy pushes on me and y0su, both of which are newbies. Coincidence or looking for easy misslynches? You also seem to be defensive of superbia. Scum mate of yours? disinformation calls y0su a misslynch, but does not have any opinion on y0su in his filter. TMI. The Shining - Meh. I've said stuff about him before which kinda holds. His aggressiveness towards me feels kinda townish, as I don't really expect mafia to be aggro towards me (big ego), but they still might. His filter content wise feels very similar to his town filters, but he seems very bitter and sardonic this game, while in his other town games he is decently jokey and relaxed. Bitterness is a mafia tell. I am hesitant because this purely comes from his interactions with me. Sicklucker - NEEDS TO START DOING SHIT. WHO IS MAFIA AND WHY? WTF: Half the Sky - Half assed scum-read on a town (from my perspective), then leaves thread. What? Rest is null though I may have forgotten some. On May 04 2015 10:20 Superbia wrote: Rest of the day, town, this is your plan of approach. Pressure: - SL: needs to do shit (i.e. give reads). - HtS: needs to do shit (i.e. give reads). - prp: needs to do shit (i.e. give reads). - The Shining: needs to not be defensive anymore and give reads on essentially everyone. - disinformation: ask why he thought y0su was a "misslynch". Pressure into giving reads. Watch for TMI. - Scott: Hard reads on pretty much everyone with a conclusion. Pointers: - Celestial: stop tunneling. - Rest: Post thoughts. Come to hard conclusions. Don't be afraid to be wrong. On May 04 2015 10:21 Superbia wrote: Form TWO wagons. Not one. So yea, I'm still neutral on Super. There is a lot going on with this guy and I'm not sure I like the way he is doing things. Still I see a lot of town motivation in what he does. Yea I might give him a town lean even. prplhz I've been reading him scum since late D1, as everyone should know  I already made a case here. He's looking a little more active recently, but will need to do a lot of work to change my opinion from his D1.sicklucker Has really done nothing all game. He got a little worked up about my D1 vote and then went back to casually posting nothing. Stutters695 He did nothing D1, offered small reason why he agreed scott was town and like me voted right at the EoD. I'd be reading more scum on him but he claimed to be playing in 2 games before (which I'm starting to wonder how you could do and keep things straight) and he has become more active lately. Really it's just the fact that he is showing interest now that is keeping him off a scum read for such a poor D1. Good god that took forever to post up properly. | ||
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-Celestial-
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On May 06 2015 10:23 Stutters695 wrote: Where is everyone else? Probably asleep its 3am where I am right now. Glad to see Tictock has finally posted a set of reads. I'll have a look properly tomorrow because I'm going to bed myself right now. If y0su doesn't freaking post a set pretty damn soon though I'm probably going to throw my vote on him just on general principle. He's given us basically no reads at all all game. | ||
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Tictock
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On May 05 2015 08:00 cakepie wrote: FINAL VOTE COUNT: scott31337 (8) : -Celestial-, sicklucker, disformation, Half the Sky, y0su, FecalFeast, The Shining, Stutters695 Half the Sky (3) : disformation (1) : scott31337 prplhz (1) : Tictock -Celestial- (0) : sicklucker (0) : So I mentioned this in my EoD post/vote but up till now I don't think our Mafia has been active much. Town got focused on scott early on and so mafia stayed back and let scott be our only real target. The HtS wagon right at the end seemed more of a policy wagon (that's a thing right?) to have more than one person being voted for, but that's also kinda flimsy and it's worth noting when and how people voted HtS I think. Scott's votes are a little more throwaway imo, the read and case on him was pretty good and he gave up defending himself far too early so it was an easy vote on him. I'm not ignoring them or anything I just think scott was an easy person for town to vote on and an easy wagon for mafia to hide on. I'm still looking at people who joined that wagon as sheep. As for the HtS votes, we have ritoky, prplhz, and Superbia were on that wagon. ritoky had voiced concerns about HtS since she joined in. I'm not sure they are solid or not but I can understand him joining this vote from his reads on HtS as well as wanting to start a 2nd train. prplhz, joins the discussion after being absent for about 40hours and posts this. On May 05 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote: okay wtf deadline is tonight i don't know about scot31337. i got a good feeling about him pointing out that the shining was joking when other people couldn't see it. i also don't feel like lynching into some new guy for hardly any reason, did that way too much in last student mini. actually i'd much rather lynch hts. hts pointing out last game that it was obvious we were going in the wrong direction when we lynched a new guy for the third day in a row but now she doesn't mind continuing for a fourth day in a row? i don't know the cases on scot31337 don't speak to me at all and one of them is by celestial that i also have a bad feeling about (that people don't share for some reason). also hts is scum reading me for saying shining's entrance was super odd, but she's not scum reading the people who felt the same thing about it? FF ritoky super felt the same way, why is she picking me out of all players? ##Vote Half The Sky Basically says he doesn't care about the scott case and wont listen to it. Makes a read totally based on other games (not even sure if that's meta) and since HtS is scum reading him. Pretty trash, but I will admit the obvious scum play here would be to just vote scott. I'm not impressed enough to consider that a sign of town, but it seems bold to start a new train near EoD as scum. Superbia never seemed to be on board the case against scott so I'm not surprised he didn't vote for him. Given that he was also one of the people pushing for a second target and even suggested HtS before anyone else (I think, proof?+ Show Spoiler + On May 04 2015 10:32 Superbia wrote: The Shining, that's fine. I'm just not comfortable calling you null or town and I feel I need to give town a proper direction at this point in time. If anything try to ignore pressure and just post what you want to post from this point on. Give your thoughts on everyone etc. As for HtS, I vote for pressure at this point in time. I have no way to back up my vote or pressure tomorrow, so meh. I just hope I'll be around to put down a definitive vote. I probably will be able to. I suppose I'm not convinced the votes really give us too much info right now. But maybe I'm missing something or somebody has a better analysis than I do. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Also The Shining, man you haven't given us much to work with. Care to share your reads going into D2. Those of you who used excuses to skim by D1 (looking at Stutters, SL, and prp), really need to step it up and give us something real to go on. | ||
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Tictock
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The voters for scott: -Celestial-, sicklucker, disformation, Half the Sky, y0su, FecalFeast, The Shining, and Stutters695 -Clestial- made a clear case and was following his reads. Obv vote sicklucker ugh, I don't like his vote here seems pretty suspect and at best pure sheep. He mentioned not liking scott right after the initial scott voting (where he started to make himself look scum) fiasco, but here is his EoD stuff related to voting. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote: So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho On May 05 2015 00:52 sicklucker wrote: I can honestly bury him but I dont think its needed and you will all just think im bussing. But I really do think scott has been scum since my third post On May 05 2015 06:53 sicklucker wrote: Pro tips its easy because hes mafia! On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town On May 05 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote: i might switch! On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote: no ones switching anyway. Boring disformation gives us clear reasons why he votes scott, is not just sheep + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:19 disformation wrote: Main reason I am on the scott train: + I read the case from -c- three times and I found it to be rock solid. HtS: Leaning town on HtS. So she has probably pocketed me already. =p But I thought she was trying hard to make up lost time today. Also a lot of the reads prplhz and rikoty towards her are tone or meta reads that may simply do not function given she didn't have enough time. I'd say to give her at least one day, to see if she will really put out some great reads. Like. I don't even know what this is supposed to be. Half the Sky actually suprised me with fairly weak voting logic, + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote: My reasons for voting scott were from what I presented before - he didn't even have a read on you before voting him when he first voted me. His claiming VT holds nothing to me. It's NAI - I've seen people do that as both alignments. I questioned him on why he thought disinformation was a better lynch. Waffling and committing to a read though does not look good at all, it is a scumlike behaviour. y0su seemed to be unsure of the case against scott simply because he distrusted -c-, after HtS defended -c- as town y0su dropped the whole thing and sheeped FF RIP good sir The Shining sheeped this one imo. It doesn't seem to me like he thinks scott is scum,+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 04:24 The Shining wrote: Still no Scott defense. Yeah, I could vote him, too. I'm sorry, I definitely avoided this game last night. I was a bit cranky and didn't want to let it get any worse. =/ Super's birthday excuse is valid but it really gives me butterflies that it just happened to excuse him for EoD. While he has a "pressure" vote on SL. How much pressure is pressure if you say it's pressure and then proceed to say you likely won't have a way of backing up your pressure or vote? It's wasted pressure, wasted vote and Scott at the time looked like the wagon that would gain traction. And it has. As for Scott, I agree with the points made against him. And if it were any other player, I'd be worried about no one defending him but if he is in fact scum, it would mean he rolled scum every game he's played here. I could understand the lack of defense, lack of posting, possible lack of motivation as someone who is tired of rolling scum as a newbie. Stutters695 was not very active D1 and was expecting to find him as another sheep, but + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 04:47 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, main reason I'm down for a scott lynch is his read on prpl. He has him as scummy then drops it to null when he still hadn't posted. If anything it should make him scummier. Additionally, leaving me off completely is weird when from someone who doesn't know me, I should be in the same boat as the other lurkers. Not to mention unvoting his scum read and not having anything else in mind before bouncing. As for the oddball votes. I talked about scott's vote on dis in my dis read a few posts ago. The summary was that it didn't look like it held any weight and was just scott throwing his vote on someone. Why he didn't at least put it on HtS near the end is wierd, but I find nothing to suggest that scott has some kinda deep read on dis. Lastly was of course my own vote on prp. Which I've already tried to explain in some detail. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
So given what I learned from EoD and the current state of my reads... ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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rsoultin
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VOTE COUNT: Stutters695 (1) : Superbia prplhz (1) : Tictock Not voting (9) : -Celestial-, disformation, Half the Sky, prplhz, ritoky, sicklucker, Stutters695, The Shining, y0su remain! Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. Currently, Stutters695 is set to be lynched! If you see any vote out of place, holler at the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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