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Just got home to see there's lots of work to do :D
I'll start with the easy part and then try to be more decisive.
TT, reread the after your quote. I initially had the same problem as you where the scott train "felt too easy" and I had one other scum (tone) read. Unfortunately the person who I was reading happened to be the same person pointing the finger at scott (and universally accepted as being T). After that post (where I indeed didn't have a conclusion) I tried pushing -c- regarding and ended up in a discussion with HtS. Now that I've got a day under my belt I'm a bit more warmed up.
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Does that mean that your starting to suspect -c- again y0su? Now that scott flipped town and it was largely -c- that lead the case against him.
What sort of reads do you have now that there are 2 fewer people to look at?
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i thought about it, but no. wrong =/= mafia, right =/= town.
(i'm mid writing hang on) :D
mid is a lie, i'm like 2 filters in :/
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ebwop (you might be able to tell by my emoticons who I'm currently reading) 
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-Celestial- I see why my filter looks so poor, I've been too worried about being wrong. There's clear thoughts and direction in almost every post. I have no idea why/how he survived the night!
Tictock He's also one of the few people that expressed hesitation to jump on the "easy" train. I felt the same as d1 rookie town. I believe the way he voted was just a rookie mistake.
disformation is it supposed to be disINformation? (that's not a read on him, just curious if people have been writing his name like that on purpose?) His smiles bug me - they make me feel like he's trying to win favor. Trying to sound friendly and helpful. However, a few of his posts have well explained thought processes and I'll chalk up his indecision on learning - for now.
ritoky + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:
IMAGINE THIS: YOURE GOING TO GET LYNCHED ALMOST 100%? AND HTS IS THE OTHER WAGON. AS MAFIA SCOTT, DO YOU A) PUSH ON HTS OR B) GO ON SOMEONE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
gluck, hope you guys chose right. at least we got some 2ndary wagon info.
The Shining giving him red on tone. Very willing to reconsider if/when we get d2 stuff he's promised.
Half the Sky beyond "holding my hand" - for which she got T (as it seems very town beneficial) - her posts show a lot of effort and supported conclusions.
Sorry, having trouble keeping my eyes open...
I'll get back with
super, prp, sl and stutters (but the last 3 at least need to step up a bit)
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On May 06 2015 08:27 Superbia wrote:
As for roles, I don't think I agree. I think FF was a medic-dodge, as people were starting to doubt his townliness at EoD.
I also think we have a cop. I think vigi would've, and should've shot tonight. I think that the mafia thought I was the cop for whatever reason. Either that or we have a vigi who for some didn't shoot after a miss-lynch..
i convinced mafia to kill ff. It was glorious. Did i do this in the qt or in thread? stay tuned!
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If im a cop I have a green on hts
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On May 06 2015 12:12 Tictock wrote:Just realized I left off part of my voting analysis. The voters for scott: -Celestial-, sicklucker, disformation, Half the Sky, y0su, FecalFeast, The Shining, and Stutters695 -Clestial- made a clear case and was following his reads. Obv vote sicklucker ugh, I don't like his vote here seems pretty suspect and at best pure sheep. He mentioned not liking scott right after the initial scott voting (where he started to make himself look scum) fiasco, but here is his EoD stuff related to voting. + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote:
So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho On May 05 2015 00:52 sicklucker wrote:
I can honestly bury him but I dont think its needed and you will all just think im bussing. But I really do think scott has been scum since my third post On May 05 2015 06:53 sicklucker wrote:
Pro tips its easy because hes mafia! On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote:Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town  On May 05 2015 07:51 sicklucker wrote:
i might switch! On May 05 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
no ones switching anyway. Boring That's about the shittiest way to vote I can think of. disformation gives us clear reasons why he votes scott, is not just sheep + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 07:19 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:09 Superbia wrote:
Thoughts. Right now. Why are people voting scott? What are everyone's thoughts on HtS? Main reason I am on the scott train: Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 00:43 disformation wrote:As what I really disliked: When -c- confronted him about posting misinformation he first is really aggressive: On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:
So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh?
And then after he notices that -c- has a solid point on him he suddenly becomes ultra defensive: On May 03 2015 12:31 scott31337 wrote:You are right - I did not check it until afterwards. I did not re-read the pre-game excuses until afterwards. That was my fault. I got better backing when I roll scum anyway - I wouldn't have made such a dumb mistake. We have plenty of time - we will have convincing arguments for you a) That switch puts me off really hard. b) That is a "too scum to be scum, please?" argument, which I am not buying at that point. + I read the case from -c- three times and I found it to be rock solid. HtS: Leaning town on HtS. So she has probably pocketed me already. =p But I thought she was trying hard to make up lost time today. Also a lot of the reads prplhz and rikoty towards her are tone or meta reads that may simply do not function given she didn't have enough time. I'd say to give her at least one day, to see if she will really put out some great reads. Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 05:51 ritoky wrote:
no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you. Like. I don't even know what this is supposed to be. Half the Sky actually suprised me with fairly weak voting logic, + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:54 Superbia wrote:
HtS why are you voting scott? What did his last post do to your read? What do you think of disformation waffling?
Make it short pls. :D My reasons for voting scott were from what I presented before - he didn't even have a read on you before voting him when he first voted me. His claiming VT holds nothing to me. It's NAI - I've seen people do that as both alignments. I questioned him on why he thought disinformation was a better lynch. Waffling and committing to a read though does not look good at all, it is a scumlike behaviour. all of this besides the VT claim is old news and reads to me as sheeping -c-'s case. y0su seemed to be unsure of the case against scott simply because he distrusted -c-, after HtS defended -c- as town y0su dropped the whole thing and sheeped FF RIP good sir The Shining sheeped this one imo. It doesn't seem to me like he thinks scott is scum, + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 04:24 The Shining wrote:
Still no Scott defense. Yeah, I could vote him, too. I'm sorry, I definitely avoided this game last night. I was a bit cranky and didn't want to let it get any worse. =/
Super's birthday excuse is valid but it really gives me butterflies that it just happened to excuse him for EoD. While he has a "pressure" vote on SL. How much pressure is pressure if you say it's pressure and then proceed to say you likely won't have a way of backing up your pressure or vote? It's wasted pressure, wasted vote and Scott at the time looked like the wagon that would gain traction. And it has.
As for Scott, I agree with the points made against him. And if it were any other player, I'd be worried about no one defending him but if he is in fact scum, it would mean he rolled scum every game he's played here. I could understand the lack of defense, lack of posting, possible lack of motivation as someone who is tired of rolling scum as a newbie. but never did anything to get better information. Stutters695 was not very active D1 and was expecting to find him as another sheep, but + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2015 04:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Anyway, main reason I'm down for a scott lynch is his read on prpl. He has him as scummy then drops it to null when he still hadn't posted. If anything it should make him scummier. Additionally, leaving me off completely is weird when from someone who doesn't know me, I should be in the same boat as the other lurkers.
Not to mention unvoting his scum read and not having anything else in mind before bouncing. actually offers his own reasoning why scott is scum. As for the oddball votes. I talked about scott's vote on dis in my dis read a few posts ago. The summary was that it didn't look like it held any weight and was just scott throwing his vote on someone. Why he didn't at least put it on HtS near the end is wierd, but I find nothing to suggest that scott has some kinda deep read on dis. Lastly was of course my own vote on prp. Which I've already tried to explain in some detail.
My vote was not sheep I was one if not the first to bring him up. He opened with how he wanted to keep an eye on me, then voted me because I didnt post much as my pre game excuse said I would then he said a bunch of other garbage and afked for 24 hours. He had 1 post after that which I called him out as being town but no one was interested in voting hts with 3 votes.
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Im drunk kappa. Five minutes to integrate me before i beedy bye
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On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote:
Half the Sky beyond "holding my hand" - for which she got T (as it seems very town beneficial)
Just a small note here: I wouldn't take that as alignment indicative myself. As far as I can tell for the most part she's just guiding you through your thoughts on me which could mean:
1. She's town, and wants to get you onto the same page as other people.
2. Me and her are scummates and she's deliberately guiding you away from me.
3. She's scum, I'm not, and she's trying to curry favour with me since I was being heavily townread.
At least that's how I'd read it in your position. So basically it could mean anything.
As for the FF kill I'm not sure that's going to tell us anything. FF was townread by basically everyone at this point. He was never, ever getting lynched but he was also not exactly driving the thread onwards which made him an easy shot with no real fear of a doctor save.
Anyway, y0su finally got some damn reads up so now my attention is on those who have hardly posted throughout D1. And on prplhz who looks really, really dirty in my view. I could get on a prplhz wagon at this point honestly. I don't really see anything to redeem him at the moment. Then again, that's how I felt about scott...
On May 06 2015 16:49 sicklucker wrote:
If im a cop I have a green on hts
Is this a drunken claim? If it is then that simplifies things a bit (though I dunno, game has a Godfather in it...). Although if its supposed to be a more generic statement then I agree that HtS should probably have been the cop check if there was one last night.
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y0su - I want you to answer the following questions:
1 What are your thoughts on the behaviours of people close to/at EoD? The people who were active at the time IIRC were Superbia, myself, ritoky, disformation, prplhz, Celestial, sicklucker.
(So were FF/Scott, but they are both flipped, so leave them out, obv)
2 How confident are you in your current town reads? Do you potentially think any of them could be misleading? (Granted Celestial already highlighted one of them for you but the others?)
Also curious to see the rest of your reads.
(Sidenote: Yeh I also keep typing disinformation as well lol.)
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On May 06 2015 19:28 -Celestial- wrote:Is this a drunken claim? If it is then that simplifies things a bit (though I dunno, game has a Godfather in it...). Although if its supposed to be a more generic statement then I agree that HtS should probably have been the cop check if there was one last night.
sicklucker is experienced enough that I wouldn't see him outing or even breadcrumbing a green check on D2 after a ML. There's no motive for him to out, people are calling him for lurking (and I reiterate that again now) but he's not absolute top lynch on people's list atm. There's no pressure and it's early in the day.
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On May 06 2015 08:15 Superbia wrote:
Like I believe that there was a divide between team Superbia and team Celestial yesterday, and I think both teams are town at this point in time, which kind of explains the lack of activity at EoD1.
That leaves me with towns:
- Superbia
- Ritoky
- Celestial
- Half the Sky
I am fine with throwing prp in there as well. My town read on y0su is pretty much gone. I am expecting huge things from The Shining, as his pre-game excuse has vanished.
So let me see if I understand your rationale correctly. Stutters and prp have exactly one scumread, the former on prp and the latter on myself. You're willing to start a train on Stutters even though:
1 your opinions of myself are changing/have changed (and you use your echoing of thoughts of prplhz as the basis for townreading him) and his really hadn't
2 you expand your potential scumreads and prplhz is not, or hasn't yet
If you're not "mind-melding" with him or whatever the term is called, any longer, why are you still townreading him?
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In particular, since prplhz was going on about tictock earlier, has his read changed? There's also more than one scum in this game.
Also prplhz, you said you have a tendency to scumread people who scumread you. You're doing it again, this time with Stutters.
So prplhz, if you're not scum, then whom?
##vote prplhz
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On May 06 2015 07:12 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 14:56 The Shining wrote:
Oh we're doing pregame excuses?
I play at work. I don't work Mondays-Tuesdays. Assuming I survive that long, if my activity drops drastically from Sunday night to Tuesday night, it's NAI. Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for. Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me.
Oh and I really think this quote reflects scum sentiment. Scum generally have the sentiment of survival and drawing things out. And if you would read the thread more closely you'd see you aren't such...yet.
But I know you had your "weekend" or what have you, but it's Wednesday now, so if we don't see much more than this soon, given where a lot of people stand with their reads at the moment, it is quite conceivable that at least one of us wouldn't hesitate to start a wagon on you.
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My brief input on the night actions:
Since Superbia claimed RB (though this in of itself doesn't immediately vindicate them and I'll explain from a pure mechanical standpoint why) and FF was shot, it's safe to say we have a medic and not a veteran. Celestial's explanation reflects most closely what I think on that.
I'd say more likely a DT over vig at this point, most vigilantes claim with whom they tried to shoot if they were roleblocked (and the ammo in this game is not refundable).
Regarding any RB claim, scum can choose to hold their RB depending on their approach. It's not likely but it happens depending on the flow of the game.
In Student 4 we had to tinker with the possibility that Breshke was scum RB. He claimed RB D2 and over time as some doubted his game, no one was questioning him, there was fear he was actually the RB (GF and mafia vanilla flipped). We get to 2/1 lylo, but after some thought we correctly concluded the other player was scum.
In MM2 (a recent game that just finished) I believe Damdred claimed being roleblocked and he was scum. And people didn't look at his overall gameplay.
Just some thoughts there.
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Stutters, one question for you. Let's say hypothetically the TL gods made prplhz disappear. Or installed a mechanic where we could not lynch him today.
Independent of prplhz, who looks the most mafia and why?
You also said that tictock "could be scum" I assume based on EoD - what do you think of him now?
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Work meetings and all that. I'll be back.
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And one more thing, tictock is looking more town at this point. Now I'm off.
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hangover from yesterday. catching up and posting stuff now. Random thoughts I had so far for now:
Quick thing I noticed in FFs last few posts:
On May 06 2015 04:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do I feel like super and ritoky are "talking to each other outside the thread" as it were?
On May 06 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
current scummers: sl, shining, maybe super, maybe ritoky
maybes based on tonereads recently.
So was he really shot as a possible medic dodge or because he was onto superbia and ritoky? Or is that planned as a distraction to get town to lynch more town? confusing...
Though I rethought superbia and want to start to see him more as super pushy/aggressive town... need to rethink superbia and rikoty again it seems...
Otherwise I am all for pressuring The Shining, prplhz, stutters and sicklucker into doing more stuff. Not sure who of these I dislike most atm. WIll reread shortly.
Most solid read is -c- as town atm.
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