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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Celestial, I looked at your latest list post. I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked Stutters. prplhz appears right now your top lynch. Let's say that prplhz disappeared or more realistically, he was replaced for whatever reason, hypothetically. 1 Who else would you lynch? 2 Have your opinions changed on tictock? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super I already theorised this earlier. I am still skeptical of his gameplay. Per the OP, the veteran is roleblockable. I already pointed that out. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 00:44 sicklucker wrote: Oh super claimed rb? Hes very likely mafia now I will vote him. From my experience mafia will claim rb like half of the time regardless of the setup so im always suspect of the roleblock claim. But when theres a vet in the game (There is 50% of the time in this set up but mafia knows what setup were in) mafia will always roleblock whoever they nk because if you roleblock your nightkill then the vet power is neutriled. So mafia will know there is a vet because they are told the setup and will have roleblocked ff if its a veteran setup 100% of the time. Also meta wise supers one mafia win that I know of was my very first game. He claimed roleblock that game too and rode it to a mafia win. Let me ask the host if rb goes through vet power in this setup but it usually does. Told ya you should have killed me super However, you have just given me one more piece of information to work with. I asked earlier if Superbia was a high-risk high-reward player. From this quote, it appears the answer is yes. Which is yet another reason not to sleep on him at all. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Evaluate Superbia on his gameplay please, aside from meta. The meta point in of itself does not make him mafia but now that you've established him as a high risk high reward player or at least the evidence is there to support that, can you find the mafia motivations in his gameplay? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome If so, I'll read his game from that. | ||
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sicklucker
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Do you feel there is the same thing? His behaviour D2, I have already pointed something out that doesn't make sense. I want an answer to that. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
I would wait for the mod to confirm if veterans can be roleblocked tho. I have seen mods do it both ways | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 00:54 sicklucker wrote: Ya that game was cancer. I was pretty bad being my first game but I got policy lynched the last 3 days by 1 afk player up untill final 3. And he never thought. Hum why are we both in final 3 together? Well like I said before that can go both ways. We were both in Student 4 together. Breshke is RBed N1. Then we get to a 3-man lylo - Breshke, me and meatpudding with the scum RB unflipped. I spent two hours trying to figure out if Breshke was pulling a fast one, but I found no reason to believe and we lynched correctly. It was Breshke's behaviour that made me arrive at that conclusion. So I want to do the same thing here. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 00:57 sicklucker wrote: Like if the vets a new player whos realistly never gonna get nked because your town games not really respected because you never played before. Then claiming is probably the correct play here because it makes super mafia here like almost all the time. I would wait for the mod to confirm if veterans can be roleblocked tho. I have seen mods do it both ways You don't need the mod to confirm. On April 21 2015 01:02 kitaman27 wrote: Town Veteran You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. It is in the OP. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote: oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia. 50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this Like I said, meta alone doesn't make him mafia. There is a behaviour component you are missing. I have found his behaviour suspect this game. I'm almost out of the office but have a bit more to do here, but I'll read that game on my commute home. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 01:02 sicklucker wrote: Unless vets like celestial or a non new player they should hard claim. Your roles useless in this setup if mafia has a roleblocker anyway. No, hell no. Veteran, should it exist, should not claim. The purpose of the vet is to draw a nightkill. Scum are forced to stack their actions if they have to, don't give them more options of spreading their actions out and potentially blocking the other role. If the vet claims, you direct scum. I know you've mucked up these things as town before. If you are town, don't do it again please. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
Say your told theres a vet in the game but if you rb your nk then you have no fear of shooting a vet. Then your always gonna be missing rb. So why not claim it yourself as mafia? This is a newbie game right? Its worked for you before right? Maybe I can be talked into leaving super alive untill roles claim because then when im told theirs a vet in the game ill be 100% sure hes mafia rather then just likely. But I might be nked and its a newbie game so im not sure how much people will follow through with my read so I think werjust kill him now | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 01:10 sicklucker wrote: Like im making this mathematical decision without much care of anyones reads on him. Im that sure that its the right mechanical play here. Say your told theres a vet in the game but if you rb your nk then you have no fear of shooting a vet. Then your always gonna be missing rb. So why not claim it yourself as mafia? This is a newbie game right? Its worked for you before right? Maybe I can be talked into leaving super alive untill roles claim because then when im told theirs a vet in the game ill be 100% sure hes mafia rather then just likely. But I might be nked and its a newbie game so im not sure how much people will follow through with my read so I think werjust kill him now In Newbie LX I was godfather, Celestial was the RB and he claimed he was RBed. Holy shit, I had forgotten that. But even in that game THERE WAS A BEHAVIOUR COMPONENT. Celestial was called out for scum behaviour in that game and Rasputin's tinfoil hat theory actually saved him despite him being auto-lynch D3 that game. What part of that don't you understand? You need to take into account not just the mechanics but his behaviour. I'm asking YOU to read Superbia OUTSIDE the claim. Am I making sense now? | ||
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Canada16987 Posts
On May 07 2015 01:07 Half the Sky wrote: Bloody hell sicklucker, blues should not claim, end of. This is just insanity. No but that one specific useless role should if its someone whos not getting nked because it gives us a confirmed mafia WHICH IS GREAT FOR ANY ROLE. You absolutely claim here YOU CONFIRM A MAFIA LOL. Stop being such a boring prude hts make some plays. I get it if your the vet and dont claim but just push and try to get super lynch. But if the vets some new player thats never getting killed the best thing you can do is claim and give me this confirmed information so I dont mislynch super the 1/4 chance hes town here | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On May 07 2015 01:13 Half the Sky wrote: In Newbie LX I was godfather, Celestial was the RB and he claimed he was RBed. Holy shit, I had forgotten that. But even in that game THERE WAS A BEHAVIOUR COMPONENT. Celestial was called out for scum behaviour in that game and Rasputin's tinfoil hat theory actually saved him despite him being auto-lynch D3 that game. What part of that don't you understand? You need to take into account not just the mechanics but his behaviour. I'm asking YOU to read Superbia OUTSIDE the claim. Am I making sense now? ill try but when the numbers tell me someone is gonna flip mafia 75% of the time I ignore everything and lynch him. BECAUSE I DO MATH FOR A LIVING AND THATS AN INSANE LYNCH PERCENTAGE. The avg to lynch mafia is something like 33% | ||
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