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Alright votes.
scott31337 (8) : -Celestial-, sicklucker, disformation, Half the Sky, y0su, FecalFeast, The Shining, Stutters695
Half the Sky (3) : Superbia (X), ritoky, prplhz, Superbia
disformation (1) : scott31337
prplhz (1) : Tictock
We now know verifiably that scott is VT so we can ignore his vote (although I'm going to go back and re-read his arguments against disinformation). I get the feeling that there won't be more than two mafia on the scott train. There was no chance of him not getting lynched so there was no reason to pile on there to guarantee it and spreading people around is safer.
Tictock threw his vote away and tried to justify it. I've done that under worse circumstances as a mafia; but I also would have done so under the circumstances it happened as town as well. That being said I still don't like it. I'm going to have to go back through his filter and look at the arguments against prplhz there.
The HtS train is Superbia, ritoky and prplhz. Either Superbia is a master manipulator (entirely possible) or I think he's probably town at this point. If I start going into the "but he deliberately started that train too late to matter" thing then I'm going to end up in a neverending loop of "but this but that" so I'll just take it at face value that it was honestly meant until I totally re-evaluate his entire filter.
ritoky has been all over the place, I could still see him as scum but he was already my weakest read and frankly now I don't know what to think.
prplhz is looking really bad in my books. I wasn't planning to filter dive right now but I brought up his filter to just check over the post he made when he voted scott and he has literally a one-page filter. Most of which is just junk and vague sentiments. His vote on HtS feels incredibly throwaway, kinda OMGUS over her read on him.
I'm not going to talk about any of the scott votes until I've properly filter dived everyone and re-evaluated everything. Probably sometime tomorrow.
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Also if Tictock looks like he's going to be pulling that nonsense again in voting a throwaway vote with 1 minute to go I might well vote him just on general principle.
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Generally I see people scumread someone for "not having the same reads as themselves" close to late game - not D1. I had a problem with ritoky doing this as well, but I had justifications already for seeing things differently than he did. I find it odd - especially from a veteran like him - that actually that he doesn't even consider a world that any town could have reasons for having different reads from him.
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On May 05 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
If I had to give a strong super read I would say hes town for some comment like "we need a close race to get information" or something like that because I usualy say that when im town too because its probably true
I see where you're coming from with this and it would make sense in a world where Superbia is town. Right now with the rest of his behaviour at EoD, though, I'm not seeing it. As for me, I had my vote on where I felt it was mafia and I felt no need to change, and Superbia was only looking bad to one other person. I also had Celestial as town, so between that and my additional observation on Scott (not townreading Superbia prior to sheeping him on me early game) I honestly felt my vote was in a good place.
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On May 05 2015 08:33 -Celestial- wrote:
prplhz is looking really bad in my books. I wasn't planning to filter dive right now but I brought up his filter to just check over the post he made when he voted scott and he has literally a one-page filter. Most of which is just junk and vague sentiments. His vote on HtS feels incredibly throwaway, kinda OMGUS over her read on him.
1000%. He looks a lot worse now at EoD.
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I'll have to go back and re-read filters and see if I missed anything on anyone. There were a number of people I could not get to as my time only freed up midday today.
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On May 05 2015 08:23 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
I didn't swith because 8 mins isn't enough to get a read on someone FF giving up a chance for shennanies? I dont believe it thats usualy the only part you play
You're scum, right?
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I'm tired. Just gonna give my EoN thoughts tomorrow.
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On May 05 2015 08:42 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
If I had to give a strong super read I would say hes town for some comment like "we need a close race to get information" or something like that because I usualy say that when im town too because its probably true I see where you're coming from with this and it would make sense in a world where Superbia is town. Right now with the rest of his behaviour at EoD, though, I'm not seeing it. As for me, I had my vote on where I felt it was mafia and I felt no need to change, and Superbia was only looking bad to one other person. I also had Celestial as town, so between that and my additional observation on Scott (not townreading Superbia prior to sheeping him on me early game) I honestly felt my vote was in a good place.
What do you make of Sup calling me out for "ninja" voting but not saying anything after about it? I saw you saying you were unsure on where he felt I was, but I'm torn on how to take that.
Part of me wants to say that's a really town reaction because he felt he caught scum. But he never acknowledged he was wrong and it implies he wasn't reading the thread that well while he was here.
I don't know.
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No one is here? Wtf. Anyone want to comment on that?
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I was supposed to work 7 hours today, ended up doing 12.
I'll be around after I get some sleep, there is no way in hell I'm doing anything remotely like work tomorrow.
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Just got up. Ugh Headache. 
Will be at a birthday party today evening, so I won't be around much this cycle.
Will try to do some useful stuff after taking a shower and breakfast.
If anyone is around and has questions: feel free to ask. 
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Tictock, when you ever return to the thread:
On May 05 2015 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 08:13 sicklucker wrote:
Like i dont think a town needs to justify any vote when its 7-3 because your vote literraly is worthless but you sure tried. I think its scummy This is true. Also I didn't see your response to me regarding Superbia. You made some comments on him and Shining, did you have anything else to add regarding his game play since?
On May 05 2015 04:51 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 05:23 Tictock wrote:
Both Superbia and The Shining made some eyebrow raising early game plays, but they appear to be contributing now and I can easily see the early game stuff being sillyness or just attempts at pressure. No real reads on them.
I'm getting pretty strong town vibes from y0su, disformation, and ritoky. I really like disformation's attempts to poke and ask questions. y0su is my weakest read of these 3, but feels like a solid town.
Everyone else... well there simply isn't enough out of prplhz or sicklucker to really go off of. Not much to go off of Stutters695 either, another person who states he "doesn't do day 1" which is pretty meh but NAI.
Pretty much all I got for now. Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
I left HtS out of my earlier reads due to just joining the thread. That was awhile ago and HtS did not provide much besides some suspicions against Superbia. Getting a scum read for now until there is something to show otherwise.
As for Superbia, I'm having a hard time getting a solid read now. I was getting a scum vibe from his play the first half of D1 here but he is looking more town here near the end of the day. I want to keep an eye on him but atm he doesn't seem like a good lynch.
prplhz is looking pretty scum to me right now too. He made one post with actual content and even that was mostly an excuse as to why he isn't posting.
Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either.
prp and HtS really need to contribute, SL and Stutters are also barely active & have contributed nothing solid thus far. I am really curious to see what Tictock has to say on Superbia particularly on the exchange between him and Celestial if he has any input or even between that and Shining. Both disinformation and myself are also headscratching on him at the moment, and one of my issues with Superbia is that particular exchange. I realise he's partying hard (happy birthday btw!) but look forward to a response when he returns.
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On May 05 2015 10:34 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you make of Sup calling me out for "ninja" voting but not saying anything after about it? I saw you saying you were unsure on where he felt I was, but I'm torn on how to take that.
Part of me wants to say that's a really town reaction because he felt he caught scum. But he never acknowledged he was wrong and it implies he wasn't reading the thread that well while he was here.
I don't know.
Looks like I missed Superbia's second post when I said he was unsure on how he felt. So much was flying around at EoD, I had missed it.
On May 05 2015 07:56 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 07:56 Stutters695 wrote:On May 05 2015 06:33 Stutters695 wrote:
##vote: Scott31337
Just in case I'm not here closer to the deadline. Forgot to put it in the voting thread and realized I was going to get modkilled. Get over yourself. Not engaging in conversation until pinged out. Big town plays.
The second post reads as sarcastic to me given his first sentence. So I think he's calling you scum for your ninja vote.
However, I checked your filter, and you listed at least three times as to why you didn't like Scott prior to the vote, so him calling it a ninja vote is just him looking at the timestamps and throwing it out there. You voted in thread about 90m prior and in voting thread approx 75m prior.
Although he calls it a ninja vote at 5m prior. He goes back to read the stuff on me and clearly he was looking at other things too when he called your ninja vote (and linked it) yet he didn't catch when you voted and still called it ninja. You haven't changed your reads on Scott from what I can tell. It's definitely selective reading and mafia can cherry pick the posts to fit their arguments. That's the (scum) impression I get from him.
Also he's saying you're not engaging in conversation. That statement doesn't really do anything productive as you have already stated your reasons for voting Scott. (Nor am I seeing his reasons for contesting that.)
Superbia gets back in thread and we have these series of quotes from him.
On May 05 2015 06:57 Superbia wrote:
k I'm here.
On May 05 2015 07:02 Superbia wrote:
Reading.
On May 05 2015 07:04 Superbia wrote:
Like at this point I'd lynch HtS or maybe disformation.
It's the same problem I have with Superbia voting me, he's not really reading the thread (the timestamps clearly indicate that), or reading selectively. IIRC he afks the thread saying I need to do more, and he basically comes back to that. His push on me is at best OMGUS.
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Hadn't gotten to reading FF/disinformation/tictock in detail before EoD.
I just went through FF's filter and nothing feels off, the logic for his reads are there. Unable to reference a certain game in progress, but between that and some familiarity with his town games, I am fairly confident he's town.
Also the post where you (FF) said I was combative, I got the impression from your "trying too hard" with just a few minutes left (and not having been able to read your filter before that, so I had no idea where you stood on me), you were setting yourself up to switch votes.
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I'll be in and out today, will comment on additional insights I have.
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I somewhat feel like I should comment on my version of the EoD yesterday. But then everyone will call me scum for being super defensive. *rolleyes*
And I am quite positive I'll get poked quite hard D2 anyway, so I'll leave that stuff for then.
Feel free to call me scum for being inconsistent with my defensiveness. :p
Not going to comment on Superbia this nightcycle, since I feel a heavy urge to OMGUS on him.
FF wasn't here all day yesterday. Posts:
On May 05 2015 03:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh right I haven't voted yet. Sorry was getting my ass handed to me in the TL open. Anything special? I see prpl is here
in the middle of the day, with nothing to follow up. Which made me a bit weary. But then comes back shortly before deadline and starts to be really towny again.
I don't like prplhz at all. Basically nothing in his filter. Gets a 2ndary wagon going, but basically lets rikoty and superbia do all the work in pushing it. Could easily be a mafia lurker trying to get some town creds and confusion going, while heaping scum on somebody else. Willing to lynch.
Stutters, ticktock: I hope to see some good stuff from you D2.
I am starting to like the shining.
On May 05 2015 05:01 The Shining wrote:
Well FF's easy. I nailed scum FF in some game I can't talk about and I'm seeing a completely different FF here. That one was full of excuses and laziness D1, where FF here is relaxed, having fun but still pushing and engaging when here. I suppose I should've thrown that into the thread.
And as for you, I don't know you or your meta. As far as this game goes, you have a lot of one liners and posts questioning and engaging the thread, while opining on active things in the thread. The interaction with me and Stutters. The Cel - Scott stuff. HtS reads. I can find just about everyone in your filter, which feels like a strong town.
On May 05 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2015 04:54 The Shining wrote:On May 05 2015 04:51 Half the Sky wrote:On May 04 2015 05:23 Tictock wrote:
Both Superbia and The Shining made some eyebrow raising early game plays, but they appear to be contributing now and I can easily see the early game stuff being sillyness or just attempts at pressure. No real reads on them.
I'm getting pretty strong town vibes from y0su, disformation, and ritoky. I really like disformation's attempts to poke and ask questions. y0su is my weakest read of these 3, but feels like a solid town.
Everyone else... well there simply isn't enough out of prplhz or sicklucker to really go off of. Not much to go off of Stutters695 either, another person who states he "doesn't do day 1" which is pretty meh but NAI.
Pretty much all I got for now. On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
I left HtS out of my earlier reads due to just joining the thread. That was awhile ago and HtS did not provide much besides some suspicions against Superbia. Getting a scum read for now until there is something to show otherwise.
As for Superbia, I'm having a hard time getting a solid read now. I was getting a scum vibe from his play the first half of D1 here but he is looking more town here near the end of the day. I want to keep an eye on him but atm he doesn't seem like a good lynch.
prplhz is looking pretty scum to me right now too. He made one post with actual content and even that was mostly an excuse as to why he isn't posting.
Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either.
prp and HtS really need to contribute, SL and Stutters are also barely active & have contributed nothing solid thus far. I am really curious to see what Tictock has to say on Superbia particularly on the exchange between him and Celestial if he has any input or even between that and Shining. Both disinformation and myself are also headscratching on him at the moment, and one of my issues with Superbia is that particular exchange. I realise he's partying hard (happy birthday btw!) but look forward to a response when he returns. I'll look into this, I thought it was strange that after that initial response from Tic regarding me, I don't see anything else regarding a read on me. I would like my no real read to become a real read, pls, I think I've done and said enough to get people to lean one way or another. But I also quoted this for another reason. HtS, why is it important that both you and Disfo are head scratching at that? It seems really strange that you'd try to buddy with anyone that way D1, unless you're trying to pocket him. HtS, when you get a chance, pls <3
Even though he was one of the guys that dislike day 1. Looking forward to see what he will bring on the table from now on.
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I'm assuming it's a timestamp thing HtS, but my actual vote in the voting thread was only like 15 before deadline. I had forgotten to in there.
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Re-reading through EoD again - one thing I find unusual (and it looks scum at face value) is that Shining wanted to see why I thought it was important to say disinf and I were scratching our heads. I responded to that already.
That was around the time ritoky/prplhz started throwing things around, and when I responded, I didn't see any followup from it considering he found my behaviour or reaction strange, there was zero interaction with me through EoD from him as they were pushing on, at the very least there should have been some conclusion from him. prplhz looks really bad in general, but just from that interaction alone, if I had to ignore the rest of Shining's gameplay, he actually looks the worst in the exchange.
Since he'd just stopped posting altogether I didn't realise it until I re-read the quote that ritoky scumread me for and it was the response to Shining, if ritoky has a conclusion from that, Shining absolutely should.
Otherwise, what was the point of that question?
I respond to Shining 7m after he asks that and there's nothing else from him, there's a potential he lurks as ritoky actively leads the push. Generally speaking it's a scum tell to sit in the background like that.
That last post (that disinformation quoted) was his last post and it was 3h before EoD.
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Work meeting - need to afk. Will be back.
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