Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3

On April 21 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
When have I done something like this as mafia, Wave?

On April 21 2015 11:43 yamato77 wrote:

"I don't use meta" is a nice and convenient excuse to avoid giving a legitimate read on me at this stage in the game.

Still, the fact remains, you said I could do this as mafia, what basis do you have to make that statement, exactly?

On April 21 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:

Because it's a statement with no basis.

"I could see Yamato doing this as either alignment" is tantamount to saying "I could see Yamato doing this as mafia."

Why do you think that's the case, precisely, if you aren't using meta? Why mention me by name at all if you're just going to make some sort of puffball generalized statement?

Very strange, Wave.

On April 21 2015 12:06 yamato77 wrote:

only you've even commented on my alignment out of everyone else

wave's post is strange IMO

On April 21 2015 12:06 yamato77 wrote:

only you've even commented on my alignment out of everyone else

wave's post is strange IMO

On April 21 2015 12:17 yamato77 wrote:

I'm not "fishing for reads".

I'm noting HOW people come to the reads they do have. And I don't like your approach.

Also, are you really calling me scum here? Wave plz.

On April 21 2015 12:38 rsoultin wrote:
lol you just quoted the reason i'm questioning wave, breshke, and yet you ask?

the points you brought up in your post are the same ones that i don't care about...also in what you just quoted

kinda obvious there, bresh

On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things

On April 22 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
That doesn't force anything. They'll participate if they feel like it this game.

On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:

artanis, is this seriously your plan this game?

On April 22 2015 06:26 yamato77 wrote:

To me, it sounded like Artanis is ONLY going to focus on them today, fuck all else, we lynch them if they don't contribute.

Seems a bit arbitrary to pick those two exact players who are known to be useless as both alignments and narrow the lynch to them ONLY.

On April 22 2015 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
like, the advantage of IML to me is that it's REALLY easy to put pressure on people by just piling a few votes on and making that player respond to them

alignments are generally more obvious as someone is going to get lynched

in a normal game, you really only get the chance to do this to like, one or two people per day

but in IML you can do it to literally every person

sure, we have all the time in the world, but it's stupid to waste it waiting on known trolls like BH/Palmar to play the game

On April 22 2015 06:32 yamato77 wrote:

you're responding to PRESSURE

you aren't the one doing the pressing

big difference

On April 22 2015 06:39 yamato77 wrote:

so you freely admit you don't actually care to play the game beyond wasting time waiting for Palmar/BH?

alright

##unvote
##Vote: Artanis

On April 22 2015 06:37 yamato77 wrote:

the point is the threat of the lynch

you use it actively as a tool to force people to play the game

you don't use it passively and hope they play the game

On April 22 2015 06:43 yamato77 wrote:

do you think he's town, or something?

Why do you wish to play foil?

On April 22 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:


lol i think we're generally agreeing? "miscommunication at best" is what i said, after all. usually i hop on people's heads when they're being gooberly lol >< or suspicious

i'd give more credence to the two of you growling at each other, but you did it in aperture, too, so eh. at least yamato is pushing something. if he was scum trying to mislynch someone i don't see why he'd pick artanis xP

On April 23 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:
alright, so the BH case in and of itself isn't really that bad

honestly, the BH that does this whole martyring thing has been town in the past

I've also seen him be scum and use delay tactics, but is this really a delay tactic?

I'm unsure about this lynch, bros

On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel

but I also don't like trfel calling me mafia for shit reasons and then sheeping the BH lynch

On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote:

So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis?

or...?

On April 24 2015 09:48 yamato77 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/410972-les-mafia?user=Blazinghand&page=16

had 16 pages of filter as town before he was mislynched

yes, blazinghand is capable of astounding uselessness, but he's also capable of that

he literally promised activity, and showed effort in the large case, no reason to rush lynching him

as mafia, it would have been incredibly easy to just say nothing and have his lynch go through, but whatever

gj on the mislynch, folks

On April 24 2015 09:57 yamato77 wrote:

that was before BH had even played

dunno how the two are even comparable tbh

On April 24 2015 10:10 yamato77 wrote:

In the first instance, it's not about BH specifically, it's about the game itself. You must be active with the lynch and try to put pressure on people or it's basically a useless mechanic (IML, that is). Maybe you newbies don't really understand this but I've played a fair amount of IML as both town and mafia so there's that.

The point was, why should we specifically wait for BH and Palmar to play if it's possible that they won't play, even as town? It's both a waste of time and suboptimal play. Artanis was using it as a reason to essentially do nothing.

The BH mislynch was avoidable, because by that time it was fairly obvious that BH actually was invested in the game at least enough to make that huge damdred case. Say what you want about the quality or accuracy of his read, sure, but it was a lot of effort nonetheless. He even went on to defend it against most people in the thread and was visibly offended by people's disregard for his effort.

Essentially, why was it necessary to push the lynch through at that moment in time? Everyone was overly hasty when BH had made it abundantly clear he wouldn't be around to provide more content. Was there some sort of downside to allowing him more time to play? If he's scum and just making excuses as YOUR NARRATIVES SUGGESTED (like how I use that word? yeah it's pretty stupid) he'd just continue to make excuses and not really prove himself town.

HOWEVER, I had reason to believe that an invested BH could prove himself town and even suggested such before the deadline, but no one really seemed interested in discussing my meta read of BH so whatever. You call me scum for it now? I laugh in your face.

On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:


artie is hard for me to read :/

like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere

i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying

my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression

i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle

On April 26 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:


that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though?

On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.

On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.

Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.

Could prob lynch/10.

On April 26 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it.

On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.

On April 23 2015 00:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay, wave. vote bh with me

i'm looking through filters, and i'll discuss anyone you want...even start with the people you're suspicious of...however i think you're fully aware that voting bh is not "solely" because he's stalling lol ><

yes, he's stalling but he also wrote a giant-ass case with little-to-no original content, he's refused to talk about anything else, and he deliberately provoked me ^^ i've seen his town-game and this doesn't look like it

he was similarly useless then, but not to this extent

On April 23 2015 00:31 Blazinghand wrote:


so whenever anyone says "narrative", they're just saying I'm wrong without explaining why or using specifics. kk

Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.

On April 29 2015 07:00 yamato77 wrote:

people calling me mafia are bad

or scum

I lean scum

seriously though, single-minded play combined with low activity is not good

On April 29 2015 07:55 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, can you briefly summarize why you think that yamato77 is scum, and why his play can't come from town?

On April 23 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote:
I'll freely admit I don't have a better lynch at this second but it's not really important to, at this point

On April 29 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote:

tried to pressure people (wave, artanis) others come in and call my pressure overdone and nothing happens

still playing the game, am posting now, people call me scum for it

have thoughts on every player in the game, usually focusing on the worst because why explain townreads at this point?

"never pushed anything"

are you fucking serious?

this is why I think breshke is scum. this reasoning is clearly bullshit.

On April 29 2015 08:17 yamato77 wrote:

I don't want to be a dick

but this is truly pointless

On April 29 2015 07:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Can't do anything now, no time
Palmar rsoul yamato pribably
Could also be wrong on Trfel but doubt it

Gg
Shouldn't have joined this game

On April 29 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:


probably. If you look at the time he spent arguing with rso when this was when he was going to be less active he is probably invested enough to make a post like that.

On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:

artanis, is this seriously your plan this game?

On April 22 2015 06:39 yamato77 wrote:

so you freely admit you don't actually care to play the game beyond wasting time waiting for Palmar/BH?

alright

##unvote
##Vote: Artanis

On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel

On April 23 2015 07:39 yamato77 wrote:
Artanis!

Seems like you and I have the same problem with trfel, haha.

On April 23 2015 07:50 yamato77 wrote:

-pukes on keyboard-

On April 23 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:
alright, so the BH case in and of itself isn't really that bad

honestly, the BH that does this whole martyring thing has been town in the past

I've also seen him be scum and use delay tactics, but is this really a delay tactic?

I'm unsure about this lynch, bros

On April 23 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote:
I'll freely admit I don't have a better lynch at this second but it's not really important to, at this point

On April 24 2015 10:13 yamato77 wrote:
But all that's really here nor there. It's a different day now.

I still think Artanis looks pretty bad. Thoughts on wagon were subpar

On April 29 2015 08:15 yamato77 wrote:

don't need to find a better lynch than BH when you can just extend the day and work toward finding one

it's really simple

On April 29 2015 08:32 yamato77 wrote:

I went over this

he looked better because of you.

your reads on the two of us were similar and we both took offense to them in similar ways, it was kinda townie

not super strong, but enough to make me doubt

On April 29 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:


dunno

you did though xP

On April 29 2015 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Trfel, the town alternative for Yamato I can see there is that he simply didn't really want to see BH lynched and that was his primary thought focus at the time.

On April 29 2015 08:39 yamato77 wrote:

more stupid reasons

just wtf

none of these things have anything to do with me being mafia

great job guys

On April 29 2015 08:41 yamato77 wrote:

I do get lynched as town

I was almost lynched last game but mafia bussed too hard to make it happen

this is horrid. bad players gonna bad, it has nothing to do with how I've played

On April 29 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I dunno. If he didn't follow it up with pushing me again before the lynch it does look pretty bad. I can imagine him not pushing me as alternative instantly, but he should realize it at some point before the lynch.

On April 29 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Meh, I think I just want to stay on Wave as Yamato cares too much atm.