Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3

On April 21 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:


I can't speak for others but since the votecount only counts at the 24 hour mark I don't feel as hesitant as if it was a more standard IML setup.



Do you have any opinions on this post damdred?

On April 21 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
When have I done something like this as mafia, Wave?

On April 21 2015 11:35 Breshke wrote:


Yeah sorry i posted that without seeing it.

I just don't really understand how you think I as scum would vote you here and then just leave it there if you got majority and 24 hour mark was nearing.

Like this was clearly not a push at least in my mind to actually lynch you so I don't see how the "safe" voting thing would even apply hear because it seems like that would only apply to wagons that have a chance of actually getting a lynch on someone.

On April 21 2015 11:43 yamato77 wrote:

"I don't use meta" is a nice and convenient excuse to avoid giving a legitimate read on me at this stage in the game.

Still, the fact remains, you said I could do this as mafia, what basis do you have to make that statement, exactly?

On April 21 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:

Because it's a statement with no basis.

"I could see Yamato doing this as either alignment" is tantamount to saying "I could see Yamato doing this as mafia."

Why do you think that's the case, precisely, if you aren't using meta? Why mention me by name at all if you're just going to make some sort of puffball generalized statement?

Very strange, Wave.

On April 21 2015 11:55 rsoultin wrote:
mmm i guess i'm going to have to retract my townlean on palmar :/

apparently his post was literal and not clever

oh, the disappoint ;o;

On April 21 2015 12:01 rsoultin wrote:


lol of course, though i have a hard time reading the troll xP he's easier to read when he's try-harding

are you implying something by this question or just curious?

On April 21 2015 12:06 yamato77 wrote:

only you've even commented on my alignment out of everyone else

wave's post is strange IMO

On April 21 2015 12:17 yamato77 wrote:

I'm not "fishing for reads".

I'm noting HOW people come to the reads they do have. And I don't like your approach.

Also, are you really calling me scum here? Wave plz.

On April 21 2015 12:18 rsoultin wrote:


since he answered now, i figured that you might have been commenting on his alignment specifically because i had a townlean on him...otherwise saying your read on him is null doesn't make a ton of sense imo :/

On April 21 2015 12:19 rsoultin wrote:


yamato and artie were first so...??? still don't understand the difference in reads there?

On April 21 2015 12:25 rsoultin wrote:


...lol so you're taking the votes seriously?

cause if we're taking the votes seriously and that was a "real" reason from Artanis, I say let's lynch him...so yummy, an artie lynch ^^

if that was real, there is no reason for him to be that worried about being lynched before anything is even really happening

On April 21 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I just did.
Artanis gave his reasoning, was very clear and unafraid that his reasoning is based on something silly.
You gave absolutely nothing.

Yamato is null because I can totally see him doing this just to fuck with me as either alignment

On April 21 2015 12:32 rsoultin wrote:


???

On April 21 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote:


xP since they both had reasons (made-up, not real reasons) this still makes no sense, but sure ^^ what do you want to move on to?

On April 21 2015 12:48 yamato77 wrote:
alright wave, let's clear some things up here

how do you read artanis and I right now, knowing the status of the lynch mechanic?

On April 22 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:


i liked one and only one of his posts

-channels my inner artie-

free towncred if you can pick out which one!

On April 22 2015 04:14 rsoultin wrote:


i actually thought this was his only not terrible post...he reiterated what was already being said about you (wave), but everything else except maybe the part on breshke (which was so generic i find myself getting glassy-eyed reading it) was at least a different perspective than some of the others brought to the thread

plus the sarcasm just makes me feel better about him in general xP

On April 22 2015 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hm, I can see what you're saying Wave. Looking back I do feel like he's pulling a bit of a character though, which leads me to believe the confidence thing isn't really alignment indicative in this case.

On April 22 2015 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Palmar seemed to suggest he did have a reason for voting you, so getting it out seems like a good idea.

On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things

On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh

HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game

On April 22 2015 06:35 yamato77 wrote:

this is equally asinine

why do you want to focus on BH over commenting seriously on ANY other player in the game?

Do you honestly believe BH incapable of being a lazy fuck as town? I don't.

On April 22 2015 06:26 yamato77 wrote:

To me, it sounded like Artanis is ONLY going to focus on them today, fuck all else, we lynch them if they don't contribute.

Seems a bit arbitrary to pick those two exact players who are known to be useless as both alignments and narrow the lynch to them ONLY.

On April 22 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote:


lol i think we're generally agreeing? "miscommunication at best" is what i said, after all. usually i hop on people's heads when they're being gooberly lol >< or suspicious

i'd give more credence to the two of you growling at each other, but you did it in aperture, too, so eh. at least yamato is pushing something. if he was scum trying to mislynch someone i don't see why he'd pick artanis xP

On April 22 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote:
lol i'd rather lynch tomorrow frankly. playing with the iml lynch, especially with multiple wagons, is a good way to get burned

-_-

i do not at all see the problem with taking an extra day to talk

On April 22 2015 07:23 Damdred wrote:
Nope not really.

On April 22 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote:
Damdred's reasoning and vote on Artanis is bad.

I find it suspicious.

On April 22 2015 07:49 Trfel wrote:
I was trying to put something into practice, to actually demonstrate it, instead of using words. Clearly that didn't actually get anything done.

I've shown why I think Damdred's play is suspicious. And I do think that voting Artanis is bad at this time. I've already said why I think that his reaction to my pressure with yamato77 was towny.

He's been focused and asking questions, getting information, getting discussion started. I'm not going to ignore that and lynch him because I disagree with one of his opinions, especially given the way he responded when questioned. I'm extremely surprised that Damdred would just lynch Artanis for this.

On April 22 2015 07:52 Damdred wrote:
I think you put way to much importance on votes in this setup specifically. Nobody is getting lynched today Sooo yea

On April 22 2015 08:10 Palmar wrote:
We should shennie onto Wave for lulz.

WoS, if you promise not to post for the next 26 hours I'll tell the thread why I think you're mafia. That would also solve the problem of me having to argue my read with which seems like a fuckload of effort and I'm having a massive case of the cba.

On April 22 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote:
Yes trfel you should read waves scum games before you say that he wouldn't be pissy with people rather than try to make friends XD.

Anyway, your scum game is better than you give it credit for and not just a lurking pile of mess.

Any questions while i'm here

On April 22 2015 12:06 Trfel wrote:
You guys stay around, okay? When I finish reading the thread, I need people to talk to.

On April 22 2015 12:13 Trfel wrote:
Eh, never mind.

I think I need a break.

See you guys tomorrow.

On April 22 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:
Ill properly read the bh thing later.

Damdred can you talk to me about rso. Why is she so townie to you like she makes me feel like an ass but i remember getting that feeling last game when she was scum as well.



Like that bolded bit is so weird to come from someone who has been townreading yamato all game but i get if she is town she is frustrated but I don't put it past her to be able to fake it as scum.

So basically give me your read on her.

see, i'm capable of rationality and won't just vote you even though you not having scumreads is a scumtell of yours, breshke, and not a scumtell for me

On April 22 2015 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:


so, do you think damdred is town or scum? you have successfully described my case, but you have not actually given your thoughts in response to it in a full way. I get it, you want to talk about me, but I'm literally ignoring things other than scum damdred right now. I don't care whether or not you care about my other reads. What are you gonna do, vote me? you already did that. You're clearly not asleep. You've read my case. You say the problem with it is that it's a "narrative", as though that means something. Come on rsoultin. Get your head in the game.

What do you think of Damdred? You claim you've expressed suspicion of Damdred, but you don't say what the read is on Damdred now. What do you think of Damdred's mindset? What do you think of damdred's play in general? I'm basically 100% right so I know you'r dodging here

stop dodging, or at least own the dodge.

I refuse to talk about other things.

On April 22 2015 15:25 Breshke wrote:


Sorry i actually didn't see this.

I like skim read through it skipped a few bits in the end/middle. I feel bad on commenting on stuff like that before reading it properly because if bh is town or scum he obviously put a lot of effort into it for me to just come and be like didnt read it here's what i think.

Anyway first off i don't like how it feels like he was trying to push scum on what felt like every single thing that damdred has posted. I don't think if someone is scum that they are scum in all their posts if that makes sense.

Some of the early stuff I think bh had a problem with can be explained by damdred thinking it was standard IML and then being told it wasn't(this is referring to the throwing away vote thing) . I can see how BH would miss this as if you read damdreds filter (I assume this is what happend) and not the game you wouldn't really get the grasp of that.

Then i don't really rememebr much else from it other than the point about him voting artanis after BH came in with his excuse that damdred predicted. I liked this point and it is odd but damdred did say to me that his vote on artanis was trying to make stuff happen so i can see a world where he would push on artanis instead of BH here because more people would react to the artanis push whereas a push on bh would get put down as a plynch

So, I don't even understand how anyone can let damdred get away with this paragraph. He's like, talking about the "uneveness" between how wave treats art and yamato? again, no evidence, other than he notes that wave has a different opinion on art and yam's alignment. You can't just call something strange and make it strange. What a vague read! Another classic scum move.

On April 22 2015 15:50 yamato77 wrote:
I'll read this shit later

I've lost my general will to be mafia for today

On April 22 2015 23:28 Palmar wrote:


I don't even care about the context.

He did something because of X
Then it turns out X was even more right than he initially thought
So he retracts because of X

This makes no logical sense, thus he must be mafia.

To be precises.

He retracted NOT because of this new information he had gained. He retracted BECAUSE HE WANTED TO RETRACT and used this new information as an excuse to do so.

On April 23 2015 00:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay, wave. vote bh with me

i'm looking through filters, and i'll discuss anyone you want...even start with the people you're suspicious of...however i think you're fully aware that voting bh is not "solely" because he's stalling lol ><

yes, he's stalling but he also wrote a giant-ass case with little-to-no original content, he's refused to talk about anything else, and he deliberately provoked me ^^ i've seen his town-game and this doesn't look like it

he was similarly useless then, but not to this extent

On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum.

I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though.

On April 23 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:


If safety isn't a factor why did you say breshke could be mafia for a safe vote?

Also don't worry about it. These morons will never lynch you because reasons.

On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:
I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else.

On April 23 2015 00:31 Blazinghand wrote:


so whenever anyone says "narrative", they're just saying I'm wrong without explaining why or using specifics. kk

On April 23 2015 00:32 Palmar wrote:

I am playing the game. Please stop antagonizing me it's really annoying.

On April 23 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:
I wonder if I should just pop in occasionally to remind people WoS is mafia and do nothing else.

On April 23 2015 00:38 Palmar wrote:
I could be wrong you know? There's no need to be a dick about it if I am. Although your responses of complete dismissal, instead of actually using me building a case on you to investigate my alignment, make you look even worse than what I said during my case.

On April 23 2015 00:39 Palmar wrote:

Who's mafia then?

On April 23 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote:


It's good play because you're mafia

On April 23 2015 00:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay, wave. vote bh with me

i'm looking through filters, and i'll discuss anyone you want...even start with the people you're suspicious of...however i think you're fully aware that voting bh is not "solely" because he's stalling lol ><

yes, he's stalling but he also wrote a giant-ass case with little-to-no original content, he's refused to talk about anything else, and he deliberately provoked me ^^ i've seen his town-game and this doesn't look like it

he was similarly useless then, but not to this extent

On April 22 2015 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm surprised you got anything tbh.
And yeah I dunno if I see anything scummy in Trfel's posting either although the question about you Artanis did look a little 'testing the waters' to me.

On April 22 2015 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:


No but that's exactly my point. The value of voting absolutely should not be devalued just because we've decided not to lynch today specifically.
Trfel if you think someone is scummy you vote them, how long we have for discussion today isn't the primary focus. It looks extremely odd that you throw suspicion on damdred going so far as to vote him,and then when your 'point' doesn't come across you unvote him. If this were a regular game what would that appear to be?

On April 23 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll read some other people tonight. Wos is mafia though I'm like 63% sure

On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:


well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right

the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town

(truffle is a super easy read imo)

meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/

On April 23 2015 06:48 Trfel wrote:
I don't think there is any question that Blazinghand isn't playing to find scum here. He's obviously playing to survive, and not to find scum.

But from what I've heard of Blazinghand, I'm not sure that this actually makes him mafia? Would he play to live, at all costs, as town?

On April 24 2015 09:13 Palmar wrote:
Like if mafia has that stacking thing mechanism (hold a shot, kill 2 the next night) there should be absolutely no claims.

On April 24 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
mmmm

okay yeah i do remember that, truffle lol

if we can agree to take our time on this and not lynch in the first 24 hours, i'm a little busy right now...my last day in the military is monday and i have some things to wrap up tomorrow as well as schoolwork to get done due at about the same time as deadline -_- then i'll take another good look at the game

can we agree to take our time on this?

On April 24 2015 09:39 Palmar wrote:

We'll lynch you for lurking

On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.

On April 24 2015 14:10 Trfel wrote:
I think that I have presented a lot of reasons that make him scum. However, I also see several things that I find unlikely for yamato77 to do. So, I'm hoping that people would comment.

Based on what I said, do you think that yamato77 is scum?

On April 25 2015 04:37 Palmar wrote:


Actually if you bothered to read my case on Yamato you'd see nothing in there hinges on you being mafia. If I'm wrong about you the way Yamato treated his read/suspicion on you is still extremely weird.

you shouldn't complain about me not playing when you don't even read things before complaining about them.

On April 26 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote:


well if it stays this quiet we probably shouldn't lynch today either -_-

that or i'll set the lynch and you lazy lemmings can follow me, what was the phrase? to the moon or bust and then the rocket ship explodes? lol

dude you like

literally

have over half the game in that list of possible scum xP sad man, just sad

Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.

On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:


from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP

On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that.

On April 26 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote:


wave wave wave wave wave! can you explain what you meant here about yamato? when i first read it i thought you meant that made you more inclined to think he's scum, but on a reread it actually looks like this is why you weren't voting him

back to the gloating bit about bh or what?

On April 26 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:
also, lol >< i'm slow

town circle shrunk to just me and palmar...? what happened to breshke? he and artie were the only two you trusted EoD1, and you've talked about artie since, but not bresh

On April 26 2015 10:33 Damdred wrote:
Thoughts on
1) Art
2)Yamato
3) breahke

then general thoughts

On April 26 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Filter Assessment:

First page of breshkes filter is dedicated to basically talking about wave for the most part. There were two or three posts I really liked on this part, the first was asking about why wave liked one vote better than another and why did he pick breshke. I really liked the thought put into this I think. A bit of overexplaining on the joke vote though that I didn't notice.

Really playful though at the start of second page with me, and i like that. Its obvious i'm being forced to do things and i'm being an ass sorta especially towards my waifu, but plays along to get me involved in the thread. I really could see town motivation to do this. I also see a good bit of reasoning and thought for some of the town reads, and even the vote on BH isn't bad, its poe but he explains it decently well. Page two looks really towny to me honestly.

Page three is a bit hit and miss not much activity, I don't think its necessarily fair to say that bresh doesn't have any scum reads, obviously voting for yamato. And is using a sort of POE list early when not much information is in the thread.

I can see scum sorta doing this, but not scumbreshke. After reading the filter again with all of this in mind I still give him a town stamp of approval at this point.

On April 26 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
I'm really not sure Rsoultin.

Page two of Breshkes filter just looks really good, for example why would you get someone who is disinterested in the game involved in the game and give them content when they are a good chance for a mislynch at that point.

I just have a hard time seeing some of these thoughts froms cum breshke

On April 26 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote:
yo, wave, that bragging bit you were saying was unlikely to come from a scum yama? xP

he only started talking about it after i followed up on truffle's point that yamato's view of bh was contradictory (lazy as fuck -> he'll put forth the effort if given the chance), so...don't think that argument in favor of yamato's play holds water

i don't think his push on you early on was terrible? the one against artanis was pretty blah though -_- and having no alternative after pushing hard at you and artanis and even saying he didn't like damdy, then disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch after saying we should give bh more time, just looks bad, frankly



also this was almost 48 hours ago lol >< and no, no new reads

On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote:
I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.

I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)

then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.

On April 26 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:
Im gonna stop derailing u and damdred cos yourshit seems productive and I cant do shit all on phone. Be round later unlrss we lynch

On April 26 2015 07:40 rsoultin wrote:


i think it is quite amusing that you are trying to compare my alignment to yours by saying that i'm sheeping palmar, too (i never claimed not to be) when i actually have brought original scumreads/suspicions to the table (including on yamato) and you have not at all on anyone with the notable exception of saying that we were two of your non-townreads who townread each other...which means essentially zilch anyway

you know who else i'm sheeping? truffle xP his second point is one of the points i agree with and i think makes yamato more likely scum

the 40 minutes comment was entirely mine, and also that his "bragging" isn't alignment indicative when he was asked about his contradiction in reads on BH

now go do something worthwhile, like address the actual reason i'm scumreading you, rather than trying to compare us to one another. you're not me

On April 26 2015 11:56 rsoultin wrote:


dunnae but it always does? lol ><

i get that you don't like the meta which is why i didn't really want to go into it...i feel like he's capable of looking town when he tries, anyway

anyway...lol >< i could just be wrong on bresh i dunnae...would be pretty damn easy if it was just yamato/artanis and easy definitely has its appeal

and i guess i could be wrong on truffle, too

do you mind quoting the yamato post you're referring to? i want to make sure we're talking about the same thing

On April 26 2015 12:13 Damdred wrote:
Sad day im not higher and you have me linked with possible scum .

I actually think Yamato is towny in his filter I did a bit of research on yamatos scum games. He's not really destroying thread here and much more active than his sxum games. He has fallen off considerably this 48 hours and that is a red flag but he did the same thing in mini mafia 2 which just ended.

I don't think it 100% clears him but I think his filter is really indicative of a town Yamato at this point.

On April 26 2015 12:16 Damdred wrote:
I've added like 4 pages to my filter in 6 hours that was a dead thread O-o no scum motivation and original content shame on you.

And nah palmar can be that as scum to

On April 23 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:

I said it wasn't that bad

Do you really believe ONLY scum BH makes a case like that? I certainly don't.

I don't even like damdred that much this game. I don't really care for his responses to the case either. He essentially came out with nothing.

How was he being obstructive? He argued about his case, sure, but who wouldn't want to defend their piece of work? It's silly to scumread him for believing his read.

What do we really lose by not lynching right now, exactly? I argued against this sort of idea before but only as a means to actually apply pressure. It doesn't mean anything to lynch BH here because he's really only been in the thread to post his case and defend it.

On April 23 2015 08:10 yamato77 wrote:
looking back at one memorable BH-mislynch, the guy got REALLY active once it was apparent he was going to be lynched.

is it really imperative that we lynch him without giving him a proper chance?

I mean, if he's scum he's going to continue to delay and be useless and probably just tunnel damdred (a la single-focus mindset in aperture). As town, maybe he becomes more useful?

On April 23 2015 07:39 yamato77 wrote:
btw, if anyone wants my take on BH meta I'll go dig up a couple old games but it's not incredibly conclusive

On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote:

So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis?

or...?

On April 26 2015 12:24 rsoultin wrote:
shut up damdy ^^

i have my reasons for most things and regardless does it really matter where you're at on my list as long as i'm not lynching you? pbbbbfffttt xP

i said tone. it is like impossible for me to explain tone :/ i can't tell y'all how many times i have tried. but i really just never got this damn palmar is maybe scum this game vibe from him like ever

On April 26 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
so you have two bullets wave. who would you use them on right this second?

On April 26 2015 18:51 yamato77 wrote:
Reading Wave's filter, I intentionally sift through to find his vote.



Doesn't say much on its own. Let's backtrack a bit.







This is the lead-up to the vote and it's... uninspiring.

He goes from that truly awful first post with all the waffle and bullshit in the world to "I love hammering" to "You're scum because context, man".



Next vote, not entirely impressive either on its own. His read on me is just as all over the place as his read on BH was from D1. Yet again, though, he's sheeping rsoul and seems rather lynch-happy which is actually kinda scummy in an IML game. From my perspective, it's obviously pretty easy to see the mafia motivation to slapping your vote down on yet another easy wagon in the hopes of pushing through a lynch.

Just by looking at his voting justifications in this game, Wave looks pretty bad. He doesn't seem overly concerned with finding a good lynch, he seems like he's just dicking around and lynching whoever everyone else wants to without much thought.

I've noted the inconsistent and illogical nature of his reads this game, even very early on, so I won't go further in detail with that except to say that it really hasn't changed. A casual glance through his filter tracking his read on any single player is enough to prove that point.

On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:
As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long.

I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play.

As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question:My track record, plus I have too many townreads.

I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea.

On April 27 2015 06:47 Damdred wrote:
Yamato isn't getting lynched who then wave

On April 27 2015 06:54 Trfel wrote:
Why... As of page 39:

Town
rsoultin
WaveofShadow

Town Lean
Damdred
Palmar

Maybe Scum (filter dives pending)
Artanis
Breshke
yamato77

On April 27 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Basically, what's weird to me about Palmar is how Wave is his prime suspect, yet he never really goes to full lengths to get him lynched or research him, but rather just goes after Yamato when thread sentiment is turning against Yamato making him an easier mislynch (presuming Yamato is town). It doesn't seem like he's all that concerned about getting Wave lynched. His vote on him is completely meaningless too with no thread support and him not trying at all to get people on board the Wave train. He's never added anything to his initial case.

On April 27 2015 07:32 rsoultin wrote:


lol this is bullshit. i've seen plenty of bad palmar play and i'm a noob -_- don't try blowing smoke up my ass, artie

On April 27 2015 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think the fact that he isn't digging further into you further but randomly takes a left turn on Yamato when it's convenient, then jumps off, goes back on you when it crashes and soft accuses me in the meantime is a very clear non-meta reason. You're actually using meta to defend him here in that he can do this as town rather than the opposite. Yes, it's possible that he does this as town. That doesn't mean it's the most likely answer.

I'm good with extending the day myself.

I'm not really that interested in defending Breshke at this point anyway since no one but you really wants to lynch him. He's a big boy, he can fend for himself when he's around.

On April 27 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote:
xP i'm right woot!

seriously though there's just not a good instance that shows breshke is actually trying to solve the game in any meaningful way. i don't really even understand some of the posts y'all point out as "townie" to be honest. like "i wrote it down, not that this means anything" ummmm...like okay? why couldn't scum say that? why would town feel the need to say it was written down? it's just...i don't get it -_- maybe i'm bad and that really IS enough to make up for doing jack-all to actually find scum but, i just don't see it

On April 27 2015 23:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Could you make your reasoning on Wave more clear? All I've heard on Wave is his reasoning for the 3 votes on him early on, his differentiating between me and Yamato, not caring about your alignment and saying he hasn't been trying to solve the game. I don't find the former two very convincing at all. Regarding the third, I can understand what he says because part of your scumread on him is how he interacts with Wave in a way that'd make sense for them to be scumbuddies. As for the latter, that's probably what troubles me the most on Wave. He comments on a lot of things but he doesn't really push anything. He wanted to lynch someone this night as his activity dropped off but I don't think he actually voted anyone.

I may actually be convincing myself here.

On April 28 2015 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I may be on board for a Wave lynch after going through the last few pages of his filter. It feels a lot like he's commenting on the game rather than figuring out stuff like Palmar pointed out. He's voted Yamato but doesn't really push him, and then there's oddball comments like

When we've been talking about Trfel for a while at that point, so one would expect he'd have more specific reasons. Furthermore, his vote is still on Yamato.

I'm actually struggling with voting him a lot because he's been very reasonable to me and I like him so I really don't want to be wrong, but I do think he's scum here. His activity to influence on the game ratio is just way off, and a lot of his posts just really don't help town to figure out the game.
##Vote WaveOfShadow

On April 28 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:
Do you think there is anything to the inconsistency between WaveofShadow's claim that he never uses meta and that he actually uses meta a noticeable amount? And how he uses meta for some ( for example, Palmar), but refuses to use meta for others?

On April 26 2015 15:08 yamato77 wrote:
Before I delve into your posts, Damdred, I'll say that I haven't liked Artanis from the start, so it's pretty easy for me to get on to the idea of him being mafia. His whole "you made me mad so now I'm NOT going to play the game" thing was a weak response to my pressure and I should have pushed it more.

His trfel read kinda synced with mine a bit at eod so I wavered but with rso basically calling him (trfel) conf town I dunno if my read is even good so I can't give Artanis much credit there even if we had the same problem with trfel.

So I assume you mean these posts, where you outline your problems with Artanis



I can't really speak to the flow of the game sort of stuff like OMGUS response and reactive activity seeing as I'm reading everything in hindsight, so this post in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot to me.



This post, where you ping out his changing read on me, is quite interesting.

Notably, I literally haven't given a new read since eod, so how could Artanis go from such a confident strong townread to such a weak justification of voting for me in such a short time? ritoky did this sort of thing as scum in the last game and it really brought him forward to me as possible mafia.

His follow-up where he continues to push you while casually calling me mafia is quite interesting though. Wouldn't it be really easy for scum Artanis to just flock to the herd rather than continue to ping you out?

On April 28 2015 11:46 Breshke wrote:


Town should focus the lynch between the three players I stated to ensure we get a lynch that is discussed and what not and just not agreed upon at the very end of the last phase. Obviously if someone finds something important then yeah do that and this plan doesn't work for wave at all because he town-reads me and yam

Personally I want to lynch yamato because I think he currently has the best chance of flipping scum

On April 28 2015 11:53 Breshke wrote:


If by today you mean this new cycle then no

On April 28 2015 12:01 Trfel wrote:
WaveofShadow,

The main thing that I have a problem with in your play is that I don't really feel that you have been pushing your scumreads that hard. Do you mind explaining this for me?

Thanks!

On April 28 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:
like in what world does scum!yamato not jump at the chance to try to paint one of his alternate wagons scum if they're town lol ><

On April 28 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
yeah, it makes less sense xP like you may have just picked out one of the biggest arguments for a town yamato there, breshke, unless of course you're scum which you won't admit if you are anyway so -shrugs-

On April 28 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< i don't see palmar's push on you coming from scum...i think it's kind of funny that he thinks we should either sheep or lynch him but that's neither here nor there

damdred...meeeh i don't want to lynch him right now on a hunch and a gutread and maybe i'm pocketed i don't know but i can't ignore his lack of presence in the thread lately >< it's made me less sure on him, too

agree that i'm feeling better about artie in general even if i don't really agree with him

long and short of it is if i had to kill one of the three it would be damdred, but i don't really want to lynch any of them lol ><

On April 28 2015 12:48 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, Palmar didn't flip on yamato77. He just decided that WaveofShadow was a better lynch.

On April 27 2015 03:39 Palmar wrote:
Quickly skimmed Yamato since he came back. Moving my vote to waveofshadow

##unvote
##vote waveofshadow

I think it's less likely that Yamato is mafia now so that kinda puts artanis back on the table

On April 28 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote:


-_-

I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOREVER that it is NOT THE SAME and that you can't see it...i don't even know what to say ><

like how you can say truffle wasn't putting original content out there when you guys took up half of it to scumread yamato is ludicrous

it can bug you forever i don't care. that you don't see the difference doesn't mean it doesn't exist and it's a PISS POOR excuse to not consider lynching breshke when you were going to lynch truffle for what you claim is the SAME reason like that's the height of stupidity!

if it's scummy enough to lynch truffle until his apology how the hell is it not scummy enough to lynch breshke? that point makes no sense it says NOTHING about breshke just that you don't like that you perceive i was treating them differently

On April 28 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote:


lol

put your ego aside for one second and realize that it's possible i actually know some of the players that i've been playing with since i started on this site better than you do xP my tonereads are based on personality as much as they are general tonereads

and this "these posts are impossible to come from scum" arguments are really just bad. what you're essentially doing is saying breshke is a worthless town player who should be relegated to the bottom of the heap with other newbies who can only be read for how their posts are worded, when i know for a fact that he is not worthless at all

On April 28 2015 13:03 rsoultin wrote:
like seriously >< if someone pushes this

oh she was too right

argument again to try to mislynch me, much less succeeds, i'm going to start gutting people

read student V

I KNOW HOW TO READ TRUFFLE YOU ASSHOLE

On April 28 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote:


nope

you are going to sit here and explain to me ^^ how you can make a post saying you care less about truffle and breshke's alignment and more that i'm still stubbornly pushing breshke even though others don't agree with me, and yet people are still townreading me

what is the purpose of that post unless to throw shade on me? please, do explain, because i sure can't see it

On April 28 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote:


i want to lynch you ^^

i could be convinced to lynch wave but ironically you've made me doubt lynching yamato again, so congratulations

we have three up for lynch that most people agree the scum is between and two want to lynch the other one and neither questions that? like...you don't even know who you want to lynch other than yamato so blah

and i don't know what wave is doing...wanting to lynch palmar even though he doesn't really think he's scum? or just not wanting to commit to a scumread cause he thinks/it looks like it's omgus?

On April 28 2015 13:13 rsoultin wrote:


then don't pretend you're doing anything else or tell me to cool down

i'm sorry that you can't get your truffle mislynch anymore but that's not my problem ^^

you are literally attacking me for looking at two players differently when you were looking at the same two players differently ^^ and furthermore using it as an excuse not to give a real read on breshke

On April 28 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< you flatout said you don't want to lynch artanis and you're not lynching damdred over palmar

if yamato isn't in the game who would you lynch?

On April 28 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:
the point that you seemed to miss, wave, is that everyone is townreading me is not a reason to scumread me, either. it is, in effect, a completely non-nonsensical, and non-alignment-indicative point

On April 28 2015 13:19 Trfel wrote:
Okay, okay, I get it.

STOP ARGUING

It's really not something you need to be arguing about.

WaveofShadow's perspective

Breshke and Trfel are somewhat similar, however Breshke has made several posts that I can't see scum making while Trfel has not.

rsoultin's perspective

Breshke and Trfel are somewhat similar, however Trfel has produced some original content while Breshke has not.

Settled?

On April 28 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:


i've actually never played with you as scum, breshke

but i'm extremely good at finding you when you're town, which you know

convince me yamato is scum. that's your out

yamato or anyone else. convince me they're scummier than you are

On April 22 2015 07:11 yamato77 wrote:

lol

you're floundering around and I'm the one fucking off

good lord this game.

On April 22 2015 07:05 yamato77 wrote:
I guess I'm going to be ignored.

I'll play more later.

On April 22 2015 15:39 yamato77 wrote:
I was playing DotA

what the fuck happened

On April 22 2015 15:50 yamato77 wrote:
I'll read this shit later

I've lost my general will to play mafia for today

On April 22 2015 15:55 yamato77 wrote:

I'll read everything in the last few pages later

in the mean time, I'd rather relax more.

On April 23 2015 08:04 yamato77 wrote:
I'm pretty lost.

On April 24 2015 09:06 yamato77 wrote:
will play later. have LYLO to do in other game

On May 05 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I think this lynch mechanic is incredibly town favored

To clarify: Yamato is lazy scum, but none of the townies are mass posters either. How difficult do you guys think it'd be to win as mafia with mass posters like marv jat and hf and these unlimited days. Just keeping up would be impossible.

On May 05 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote:


-sits on bh's head- ^^

but you were fun to lynch xP would do it again 10/10