Newbie Student Mafia VIII

On April 18 2015 05:32 Half the Sky wrote:


Huzzah! Looking forward to playing with you again. Though I'll laugh if we both roll onto the same scumteam again xD

On April 18 2015 08:05 Trfel wrote:
But two of those losses weren't your fault, they were games that I lost for you.....

On April 19 2015 08:52 Trfel wrote:
Online mafia relies more heavily on detailed analysis. Because everything that people say is preserved, you can go back and check exactly what people said, and when they said it. This can be used to figure out who is mafia and who is not.

I'm hoping to explain the basics of mafia once the game starts. I would explain it now, but I want town credit for it

And of course, this being a newbie game, you can ask your coach for advice.

On April 19 2015 15:43 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

Too much Americans, need moar yuropeans !

On April 20 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

Assuming that your initial scumlist was a joke, who would you like to lynch right now and why, and why would you like to avoid a plynch over said lynch target?

On April 20 2015 04:06 Bourneq wrote:
Because this is a different trfel than from the last game I just came from where he was town.
And making a huge post like that and trying hard to look like town seems forced and not genuine, like it comes from a scum perspective. It could be motivated from both alignments as I've stated before but I am getting a scummy vibe.

Obi why do you not think this will be a high postcount game?

On April 20 2015 06:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Thank god Trfel is taking up the mantle of town leader because I really don't want to do it right now.

On April 20 2015 06:26 Damdred wrote:
I'm having a really bad day so I'm going to,be a bastard in most of my response.

What are you asking exactly trfel.

On April 20 2015 05:51 Trfel wrote:
I'm almost thinking that posting an instant town read (one minute after my post) on the most suspected player in the thread with no other reasons provided is so unexpected that scum wouldn't do it.

But then again, I might be getting pocketed. I'm leaning towards the former, but any thoughts?

On April 20 2015 06:43 Trfel wrote:
It's not really that. It's more of that the potential benefit (getting a blue kill) is outweighed by how bad it makes you look. Of course if it works, it's a good play (suspicion on you, but one dead blue), but if it doesn't work (which is more likely), you look bad with no reward.

On April 20 2015 12:28 cakepie wrote:
I'm slow okay? Sheesh!
(Also I will admit to getting distracted by shoutcraft, and then dinner.)

On April 19 2015 11:49 Trfel wrote:
Hm, this game feels slow already. I thought my post would get things started, but I guess that wasn't good enough.

I find Bourneq to be the most suspicious so far.Bourneq asks if anyone wants to ask him for a tone read, because this is something that people asked him to do last game. And he knows that it's a townie thing to do. However, the interesting thing is that he asks if people want him to tone read someone or something. He doesn't seem inclined to do it himself. This suggests that he is more interested in appeasing others and not getting lynched than actually finding scum.

Furthermore, he says that he will sleep instead of scumhunting. But why would he leave the first sentence in if he is going to sleep after all? He left it in to gain town credit for being open to doing something towny (making a read).
Then, someone in his previous game made a post. And Bourneq acknowledges it and says that he wasn't going to read it. Why does Bourneq feel a need to acknowledge my post? He already said that he's tired and he will be going to bed. His post doesn't help town in any way, but it makes him seem more involved in the game (which is false, since he didn't bother to toneread anyone at all).

I'll be heading out again for a while. Any thoughts?

On April 20 2015 13:00 Trfel wrote:
Bourneq - So, initially I was happy with Bourneq this game.This post seems very honest and open, in addition to making me laugh. Bourneq seems to be acknowledging his errors last game and adjusting. However, I noticed several suspicious things in his folder that make me hesitant to town read him.

What a strange progression in these four posts. Once Bill Murray scumreads me, Bourneq says that he would love to vote for me. He says that my big post is long and trying to make me look good, and that he thinks it is forced. This is interesting, since he already said that this post was mostly written before the game began, and is thus says nothing about my alignment. Furthermore, he played with me last game, when I was town, and I posted four extremely long analysis posts on the earlier portions of the game (I replaced in). How is me making a long post any different than it was last game?

It's also strange how he suddenly jumped on me when he said that he liked me for scumreading him. It feels that Bourneq is trying to set himself up to vote for me, but then Bill Murray suggests mass claiming, and this starts to draw attention. Bourneq never mentions me again. This progression seems extremely suspicious to me.

Besides this, Bourneq hasn't done very much. He's sheeped the thread sentiment several times (agreeing entirely with LightningStrike's list post, but mentioning the three inactive players, note that he didn't mention inactive players last game as town), and a weak read on LightningStrike ("[LightningStrike seems] just as town as anybody else to me so far"). I could definitely lynch Bourneq.

On April 20 2015 00:07 Trfel wrote:
I think that this actually makes Bourneq slightly more likely to be town. Town is interested in the thread enough to reload a few more times after they say they will go to sleep. Mafia will more likely not make a post when they don't have to. But it isn't very significant.

I do like LeiNadk's posting so far.
I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your first post slightly. Your reads on scott31337 and ObiWanShinobi were clearly jokes, however you bothered to change your read on me to possible scum instead of sure scum like the other two. I felt that this meant that you were actually serious about this read. My fault. I'm really not good at reading for tone and I miss jokes frequently (there's a reason I almost never give tonereads), so I don't know where you would get the contrary opinion.

And yes, thank you for your statements on Bourneq. That is the flaw in my argument. I'm surprised that Damdred disagreed with my argument but for different reasons. Bourneq also explained this quite nicely. The Shining gets a slight townread for his explanation of this.

However, I'm somewhat surprised that Bourneq jumped on the inactive players like that. I don't think it is important at this time, but I would hope to see him keep his discussion on players in the thread from here on out.
For reference, I've heard that some people advise not to ask questions like this. Obviously, this is different when dealing with newer players, but LightningStrike is experienced, and he knows to provide reads. If you ask him, of course he'll provide reads. If you don't ask him, maybe he will on his own accord, which would be more interesting.

On April 20 2015 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Thoughts on Bourneq?

(specifically to Damdred and ObiWanShinobi, but also to anyone who is here)

On April 20 2015 11:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No, I'm not done with this yet.

On April 21 2015 04:21 Bourneq wrote:
Wow trfels reads are so terrible I want to lynch him. But at least he is posting.

##Vote Trfel

Just casting my vote real quick I will be back in a few hours.

On April 24 2015 08:00 Holyflare wrote:
I think my reads are pretty good so far. Liking these newbies. Lei i really like your answer, scott has pretty similar reads to me.

Shining i really dislike how you call out scott for having no srance on onegu/obi but have done absolutely nothing towards that yourself. Your vote is pretty much a throwaway at this point since we should be voting some form of onegu/damd. I still have no idea why nobody is really voting for Damdred. Scott you just said you'd wait on damdred and he did nothing and you voted onegu?

Damdred has fallen apart. I called him mafia he omgus voted for me and didn't even read my post and then just complains about not being motivated and afking waiting to see who he can put a vote on. This is the guy that was voted best up and coming player who regularly makes cases that find scum. He hasn't even gone back and read filters to evaluate if his reads are right or wrong or anything and instead sticks to his poe list despite having loads of other null people and his poe list even contained people he said had good posts (lei)

On April 27 2015 06:24 Holyflare wrote:


Implies that i haven't discussed onegu at all but complained about it and ignored it. The last 24 hours is literally just me asking to talk about onegu and people just voting onegu instead. You are incredibly guilty of this and keep saying ot over and over again about how i don't discuss onegu today while you sit there on your onegu vote throwing crap at me instead. You never once mentioned anything to do with obi and onegu yesterday. You diverted around the hot topic to talk about how towny damdred was and voting him at the end of the day.

On April 27 2015 09:47 Onegu wrote:
Shitty thing is Onegu still ded.. its 3v3 with me getting the 3 votes first I have scott, bourne, and shining on me