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On April 21 2015 02:53 Koshi wrote: btw. Aren't you good at reading VA? I remember your giant Waffle read on VA in aperture. So you legit think VA is mafia but for some reason I should be lynched first because I did less? So terrible... Koshi go away. | ||
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Would rather probably lynch Oats or Koshi today. I have yet to do my read on you because of course it's the longest/hardest one (lululululul). Gonna try to read over Vivax's current issues with you, I think it's about the Koshi policy lynch? | ||
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In fact I'm unlikely to listen to 'your lynch' specifically because as of right now I am clearly the towniest person in this thread so at the very least I should be the one making the calls, wrong or right. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: It's a fact. When you miss something it's cause it didn't concern you but I wouldn't believe you if you said that you didn't notive my vote on me which is pretty much the only excuse for you not suspecting me specifically for that until now that I'm up your butt. The fact remains Vivax that HF does get all OMGUS-y but it's not directly related to his alignment from my experience. It's pretty easy to do either way. I don't want to take that into consideration though 'cause meta so in terms of reading HF I keep to within the confines of this game only. Ultimately Vivax I'm not sure I'd want to lynch him today above the people sitting back and doing dick all here because sitting back and doing dick all is the right play as scum. I am obviously leaning towards Oats but we'll see. Vivax can you explain why you townread him currently? | ||
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It's very hard to really attempt to read his content and nitpick things from there so I'm going for overall motivations and goals here. HF's motivation to play D1 was very clear. EXTREMELY clear. Nothing needs to be said about that imo. Entirely possible he's town but the scum motivation to do what he did there is stronger. N1/D2 he pushes a sort-of-policy lynch on Koshi for a while, argues with a presumed town SL and believes GB is scum, then OMGUS's Vivax after getting pushed. The basic fact here is I don't get the feeling that HF is trying to DO anything in particular. Yes lynch Koshi, yes GB scum, yes Vivax scum, but it's all very reactionary (aside from Koshi really, which is a very obvious/safe lynch/plynch because Koshi is useless/infuriating and because of Artanis). His content looks good, but it always does and I have to throw in just a bit of meta here to explain why I'm not bothering with the actual content---it's because players like me and Holyflare are more or less indistinguishable when we want to be from purely our content (when we want to be at the very least which isn't something I can say for myself lately). It's motivation behind the content that matters and HF's motivations just don't lean town for me. Ultimately I'm not certain I'd vote him over some of the chaff though (this is also kind of a dangerous way of proceeding), and I'm not particularly convinced by what Vivax has had to say about him. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:14 Vivax wrote: Still D1 stuff where I decided to do so.More on a whim based on his cocky posts than anything else, so can't even call it a townread, more like a decision to ignore him and let him live. Present some arguments and I will listen. I think we're pretty fucked if HF keeps meddling tho. The case for Oats is pretty short and sweet. Cocky on its own doesn't mean much to me, it's pretty simple. Nothing Oats does here has any clear direction. He shows up, says some stuff, fucks off. (meta) Oats is perfectly capable of forming coherent arguments/pushing stuff and here he just isn't. Even if you ignore meta I see no towny in anything Oats has done this game. I'd like to make what I think is a nice distinction here too---both he and SL are very flighty and throw votes/accusations/shit around a bunch D1 but the difference here is SL's has clear direction/explanation. Oats has none of that. | ||
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Vivax do you mind re-outlining your current case/list of gripes with HF? I'm not sure I see much in the current shitfight between you two that is particularly indicative of anything. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote: lynch me and then actually get off your arse and read my content and stop being a useless dick and then lynch gb and vivax because my posts may very well be reactionary but they aren't mafia posts and they outline specifically everything that makes gb and vivax mafia <3 you too honey. :D Alright, read this but I dont like it much. Nor do I really like Viva'x recent points against you. It's very easy to say any of what you've both said can come from either perspective. What matters to me more in this game is an overarching direction and motivation and Vivax's to me seems much clearer than yours. (It also doesn't hurt that I've been on the same page as him multiple times throughout). You can calm your tits though, I probably won't lynch you today because I'm not as confident removing you as I am others. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote: You can say anything you want about my "mafia motivation" but quite simply it's wrong, I was just afk d1 and did the exact same thing in mafia mini mafia 2. It's just because I was busy and couldn't play. I would absolutely abuse the fact nobody is posting if I was mafia, like vivax did. I believe you that you were afk, but it's the way you came back and exploded into the thread and what you did with it that concerns me. I also didn't like how Vivax afked his way through N1/D2 much but I generally don't like to assume it's because scummy lurking same as I did for you, and his return to thread currently seems less 'THIS IS WHY I AM RETURNING TO THE THREAD,' making a big show of shit. You can tout your boost in activity as helping the town all you like but remember two things: it didn't end well, and I wasn't available/didn't have as strong a 'read' to push as you. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote: I read everything you write and I already said you come to weird conclusions and you make weird jumps in logic. You kind of ignore everything I write though and it annoys the shit out of me. I read what you wrote too, I just don't have much to say specifically about the content of it. I always read everything everyone has to say. And yes I had noticed GB's absence as well as SL's. I would very much like them both to be around within the next few hours otherwise things could go poorly. For now, ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Any thoughts period? | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote: Sure, I'll make it nice, bulleted and straight to the point.
I'ma decide if I vote anyone with you before I go to bed as so far you're the most trutstworthy of the bunch here. 1 - Yup. 2 - He's right though. You pushed Koshi, fine, then you switched to Palmar and afked pretty randomly. 3 - Agreed somewhat, more egregious is the clear points that I brought up against Koshi that a) Artanis found him scummy, b) he is actually scummy. Policy is not enough on its own here. 4 - Ehhhh sort of? I can totally see that being fine as town especially if he's focused on other stuff at the time. 5 - I missed that. Interesting actually. Can you show me that? 6 - Yeah we talked about that. I'm pretty guilty of it too actually 7 - Yeah I'm not sure I get this but fair. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:45 GlowingBear wrote: I'M SORRY I'M NOT ACTIVE ALL DAY LONG, WHAT A CRIME!!!! I slept. Just woke up. Catching up I'm not one to not believe shit but this excuse is kind of odd given how long you were gone and what time of day. At the same time, being away from thread for 1.5h is not a crime. Comment on stuff that's happened please. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:59 Vivax wrote: So HF would like to hear how you will handle Oats in the near future. You confident enough to trust into WoS being town to give him todays lynch? Well to be fair he doesn't have a choice. He either votes with me or throws it away. | ||
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On April 21 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote: basically there is 0% chance a town vivax makes any of these assumptions after playing the last game with me 0%%%%%%%%%% I don't give a shit about this. On April 21 2015 03:57 Vivax wrote: I didn't afk, I constantly asked for a vote on Koshi, when Palmar made his terrible posts I voted him. Everyone who voted Artanis looked terrible to me since it was just a huge afk blob at the time so if you see it from my point of view it makes perfect sense. I also was suspicious of SL on D1. Now I think he's more likely to be town based on his tone. Except the afk part cause it's simply not true. I was prolific at voting and at talking during EoD, that's pretty much how I recall it. I also recall how I backed from HF cause I felt I was being too impulsive and it's like a self imposed task of mine not to judge him on D1. + Show Spoiler + I missed that. Interesting actually. Can you show me that? In the last few pages I felt that GB wasn't reall engaging in the HF vs me fight even though he claimed that he was his scumread. So if he's scum it's for that, would like to hear him out on this part. HF ignored that particular. Ah ARTANIS called for the Palmar vote. Hmm. Can't tell if that improves my view of you here or not because on the one hand it makes it easier for you to switch but on the other it very clearly follows your narrative. No I'm fine with your EoD, just wanted a little more explanation. So this GB point, you're just throwing that in now? Was that present anywhere before that bullet point post? | ||
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On April 21 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote: yes because I don't care what other people do as long as I get my lynch and now i'm caring what other people do so I can get my lynch again | ||
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KK. If by any chance you happen to be awake around EoD, please come back  | ||
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On April 21 2015 04:13 Holyflare wrote: look wave just leave me alone, i don't really care what nonsense people post my way because at the end of the day it's all trash and people are bad for following it when there is overwhelming evidence to say the opposite i've quite clearly been pushing vivax and gb for the past fucking 5 hours while you ignore it, tell me you read it, say nothing about it until i force it down your throat and then tell me i've just been pushing a lurker lynch not to mention you say all these things (n1 - your post on me - hf looks towny for that good case, but you push a scum read on me still) (day 2 - all of your filter diving you give reasons why people should be mafia but then conclude town) you have really backwards reads that conclude the opposite of what you should be doing if you read them properly basically i think you're mafia but i'll just let you win the game and i don't really care because people have demotivated me enough I'm not ignoring it, I just don't find it particularly engaging over what I think myself. I thought the same thing about Vivax's points on you if you recall. You can 'boo hoo nobody listens to me' all you like but a) you've had people listening to you for a good part of the game already, and b) getting demotivated because I disagree with you is shitty, especially when I am continuing to engage you and discuss things rationally. Your scumteam now is me/vivax/GB? | ||
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