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On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post. To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him.
slam dunk
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You can say anything you want about my "mafia motivation" but quite simply it's wrong, I was just afk d1 and did the exact same thing in mafia mini mafia 2. It's just because I was busy and couldn't play. I would absolutely abuse the fact nobody is posting if I was mafia, like vivax did.
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On April 21 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
lynch me and then actually get off your arse and read my content and stop being a useless dick and then lynch gb and vivax because my posts may very well be reactionary but they aren't mafia posts and they outline specifically everything that makes gb and vivax mafia
<3 you too honey. :D
On April 21 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote:On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post. To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him. slam dunk
Alright, read this but I dont like it much. Nor do I really like Viva'x recent points against you. It's very easy to say any of what you've both said can come from either perspective. What matters to me more in this game is an overarching direction and motivation and Vivax's to me seems much clearer than yours. (It also doesn't hurt that I've been on the same page as him multiple times throughout).
You can calm your tits though, I probably won't lynch you today because I'm not as confident removing you as I am others.
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I read everything you write and I already said you come to weird conclusions and you make weird jumps in logic. You kind of ignore everything I write though and it annoys the shit out of me.
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everyone is really, and GB HAS AFK'D AGAIN PLZ LYNCH
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On April 21 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
You can say anything you want about my "mafia motivation" but quite simply it's wrong, I was just afk d1 and did the exact same thing in mafia mini mafia 2. It's just because I was busy and couldn't play. I would absolutely abuse the fact nobody is posting if I was mafia, like vivax did.
I believe you that you were afk, but it's the way you came back and exploded into the thread and what you did with it that concerns me. I also didn't like how Vivax afked his way through N1/D2 much but I generally don't like to assume it's because scummy lurking same as I did for you, and his return to thread currently seems less 'THIS IS WHY I AM RETURNING TO THE THREAD,' making a big show of shit.
You can tout your boost in activity as helping the town all you like but remember two things: it didn't end well, and I wasn't available/didn't have as strong a 'read' to push as you.
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On April 21 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
I read everything you write and I already said you come to weird conclusions and you make weird jumps in logic. You kind of ignore everything I write though and it annoys the shit out of me.
I read what you wrote too, I just don't have much to say specifically about the content of it. I always read everything everyone has to say.
And yes I had noticed GB's absence as well as SL's.
I would very much like them both to be around within the next few hours otherwise things could go poorly.
For now,
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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Onegu any thoughts at all on Vivax vs HF?
Any thoughts period?
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On April 21 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also disagree that HF is 'meddling' per se because he has nobody listening to him right now. I don't feel good/confident about my current position because of my own capabilities but at the very least I know that if people listen to me/I listen to myself the lynch is town-decided.
Vivax do you mind re-outlining your current case/list of gripes with HF? I'm not sure I see much in the current shitfight between you two that is particularly indicative of anything.
Sure, I'll make it nice, bulleted and straight to the point.
- Comes back at EoD to act super confident on one guy who is potential lynch bait and of who he knows I'm able to read him, hints I'm scummy for showing that. Mafiaish.
- Says I afk at EoD when I was pushing Koshi.
- Koshi then becomes his policy lynch even though he claims to scumread GB. So I see little point of a policy here since he's not gonna push it anyway as apparent in the thread. Feels empty.
- Mentions things as scummy he MUST have noticed as scummy previously yet only does so when I go after him (vote from me on him at EoD)
- [new] I call out GB for not pushing on HF and he doesn't bat an eyeled, completely shifted to me.
- [new] Omgusy way. I think it's scummy given the above circumstances but you don't so w/e.
- Random proddings at other people that don't really give a read on them but sound favourable. Stuck out to me earlier with his posts to Onegu but I feel he can defend from this properly so can't really argue with it from a rational PoV if I want to convince you. However still made me more suspicious of him so it's kinda my own thing.
I'ma decide if I vote anyone with you before I go to bed as so far you're the most trutstworthy of the bunch here.
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On April 21 2015 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
everyone is really, and GB HAS AFK'D AGAIN PLZ LYNCH
I'M SORRY I'M NOT ACTIVE ALL DAY LONG, WHAT A CRIME!!!!
I slept. Just woke up. Catching up
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I wonder what sicklucker will have to say though. He holds the power of my vote.
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On April 21 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also disagree that HF is 'meddling' per se because he has nobody listening to him right now. I don't feel good/confident about my current position because of my own capabilities but at the very least I know that if people listen to me/I listen to myself the lynch is town-decided.
Vivax do you mind re-outlining your current case/list of gripes with HF? I'm not sure I see much in the current shitfight between you two that is particularly indicative of anything. Sure, I'll make it nice, bulleted and straight to the point. - Comes back at EoD to act super confident on one guy who is potential lynch bait and of who he knows I'm able to read him, hints I'm scummy for showing that. Mafiaish.
- Says I afk at EoD when I was pushing Koshi.
- Koshi then becomes his policy lynch even though he claims to scumread GB. So I see little point of a policy here since he's not gonna push it anyway as apparent in the thread. Feels empty.
- Mentions things as scummy he MUST have noticed as scummy previously yet only does so when I go after him (vote from me on him at EoD)
- [new] I call out GB for not pushing on HF and he doesn't bat an eyeled, completely shifted to me.
- [new] Omgusy way. I think it's scummy given the above circumstances but you don't so w/e.
- Random proddings at other people that don't really give a read on them but sound favourable. Stuck out to me earlier with his posts to Onegu but I feel he can defend from this properly so can't really argue with it from a rational PoV if I want to convince you. However still made me more suspicious of him so it's kinda my own thing.
I'ma decide if I vote anyone with you before I go to bed as so far you're the most trutstworthy of the bunch here.
1 - Yup.
2 - He's right though. You pushed Koshi, fine, then you switched to Palmar and afked pretty randomly.
3 - Agreed somewhat, more egregious is the clear points that I brought up against Koshi that a) Artanis found him scummy, b) he is actually scummy. Policy is not enough on its own here.
4 - Ehhhh sort of? I can totally see that being fine as town especially if he's focused on other stuff at the time.
5 - I missed that. Interesting actually. Can you show me that?
6 - Yeah we talked about that. I'm pretty guilty of it too actually
7 - Yeah I'm not sure I get this but fair.
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On April 21 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also disagree that HF is 'meddling' per se because he has nobody listening to him right now. I don't feel good/confident about my current position because of my own capabilities but at the very least I know that if people listen to me/I listen to myself the lynch is town-decided.
Vivax do you mind re-outlining your current case/list of gripes with HF? I'm not sure I see much in the current shitfight between you two that is particularly indicative of anything. Sure, I'll make it nice, bulleted and straight to the point. - Comes back at EoD to act super confident on one guy who is potential lynch bait and of who he knows I'm able to read him, hints I'm scummy for showing that. Mafiaish.
- Says I afk at EoD when I was pushing Koshi.
- Koshi then becomes his policy lynch even though he claims to scumread GB. So I see little point of a policy here since he's not gonna push it anyway as apparent in the thread. Feels empty.
- Mentions things as scummy he MUST have noticed as scummy previously yet only does so when I go after him (vote from me on him at EoD)
- [new] I call out GB for not pushing on HF and he doesn't bat an eyeled, completely shifted to me.
- [new] Omgusy way. I think it's scummy given the above circumstances but you don't so w/e.
- Random proddings at other people that don't really give a read on them but sound favourable. Stuck out to me earlier with his posts to Onegu but I feel he can defend from this properly so can't really argue with it from a rational PoV if I want to convince you. However still made me more suspicious of him so it's kinda my own thing.
I'ma decide if I vote anyone with you before I go to bed as so far you're the most trutstworthy of the bunch here.
1. Like I did as town last game
2. you did, you posed no reasons against people lynching your town read at all, you defaulted and afk'd while i pushed the ls lynch and then call me mafia for pushing the ls lynch despite you doing shit all to stop it
3. Koshi is still a policy lynch and who knew that a policy lynch could be empty when the whole point of a policy is that it is based on arbitrary facts! You're scum reading me for ignoring my policy lynch and pushing cases on mafia reads lol
4. Like I said, was focused on LS and now focused on you and you reminded me of it
5. I didn't see you push gb at all
6. OMGUS is irrelevant and means absolutely nothing when I use logic to call you mafia that bypasses and form of OMGUS, I omgus as any alignment regardless and I get especially tunneled when people call me mafia (you can just fucking see that on palmar in mini you tit)
7. Like who? I gave my reasons why I thought onegu was town and only gave it because wave asked it of me. You know, like I said.
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On April 21 2015 03:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 03:38 Holyflare wrote:
everyone is really, and GB HAS AFK'D AGAIN PLZ LYNCH I'M SORRY I'M NOT ACTIVE ALL DAY LONG, WHAT A CRIME!!!! I slept. Just woke up. Catching up
I'm not one to not believe shit but this excuse is kind of odd given how long you were gone and what time of day. At the same time, being away from thread for 1.5h is not a crime.
Comment on stuff that's happened please.
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basically there is 0% chance a town vivax makes any of these assumptions after playing the last game with me
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I didn't afk, I constantly asked for a vote on Koshi, when Palmar made his terrible posts I voted him. Everyone who voted Artanis looked terrible to me since it was just a huge afk blob at the time so if you see it from my point of view it makes perfect sense. I also was suspicious of SL on D1. Now I think he's more likely to be town based on his tone.
Except the afk part cause it's simply not true. I was prolific at voting and at talking during EoD, that's pretty much how I recall it. I also recall how I backed from HF cause I felt I was being too impulsive and it's like a self imposed task of mine not to judge him on D1.
+ Show Spoiler + I missed that. Interesting actually. Can you show me that?
In the last few pages I felt that GB wasn't reall engaging in the HF vs me fight even though he claimed that he was his scumread. So if he's scum it's for that, would like to hear him out on this part. HF ignored that particular.
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So HF would like to hear how you will handle Oats in the near future. You confident enough to trust into WoS being town to give him todays lynch?
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On April 21 2015 03:59 Vivax wrote:
So HF would like to hear how you will handle Oats in the near future. You confident enough to trust into WoS being town to give him todays lynch?
Well to be fair he doesn't have a choice. He either votes with me or throws it away.
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On April 21 2015 03:59 Vivax wrote:
So HF would like to hear how you will handle Oats in the near future. You confident enough to trust into WoS being town to give him todays lynch?
i don't think wos is that town from his filter analysis since it made such huge leaps in logic in every single one but i'm not going to stop lynches on people that aren't playing the game i just don't care enough
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