[T] Hajime no Ippo Maifa - Page 7

On April 28 2015 01:21 indignant wrote:

Why shouldn't we? Better question.

On April 28 2015 01:45 Holyflare wrote:
WARNING SHIT VERSION OF LIST POST INCOMING!!!!!!


townyish

marv - should learn to read
ff - dude is hilarious, liked his posting so far
Xatalos - sheeped the correct read (pending), seems pretty open and inquisitive/carefree + self deprecation about being promoter

probably townyish

indignant - (jat?) doesn't seem like a complete douche and actually pointing out scummy things instead of being hesitant bitch

meehhhbe town?

rygart - seems not so caught up in being all serious, got rid of his smurf indentity quickly,
sicklucker (probably down a tier, not liking his complete focus on being town read based on role when he knows it doesn't clear him ever)
jean val - posted for the sake of posting but was aware of it and actively pointed it out, seemed to just get thoughts out, thoughts weren't totally awful even if no conclusions drawn
sepulchre - (liked his posts against rsoul when he came back but not much to go on so, provisional here but tempted to send up if more like previous posting)
ls - lots of hilarious innocent mistakes like not understanding quips about rsouls gender, not really many afk excuses and not afraid to post his reads (probably up?)
stutters695 - uhhhh, not really sure? :D seems pretty fluid but like nothing super there but somehow still seems bit towny? lol


meh

inspector javert - psycho reads, small list post to start (not much to go on -.-)
rsoul - serious stick up her butt, posting for the sake of posting with no actual relevant content + intentionally antagonising people, free town reads and nothing really more (maybe down, maybe not - wait and see)
koshi - (fuck this guy again) you serious about this game..? stop being such an unnecessary douche
the shining - not really done much of anything, kind of meh meh
obiwanshinobi - not really done anything and after newbie game where he was town and told me he has started caring about games more as town this should probably drop him down a tier
breshke - meh, kind of limited amount of wishy washy posts (not scummy due to ls read which kind of had merit)

scummyish

sandroba - scummy posts, lots of setup talk, one post where he mentions reads in one sentence and then talks more about setup, afking meta, scummy
yamato - usual mafia excuse (potential to change if sticks to what he said)
vivax - really boring, not particularly involved, making useless posts which don't do anything, uneventful
damdred - mediocre, not really trying to do anything, posting for sake of posting and reads seem pretty free/not thought out/hard to do


chezinu

chezinu

On April 28 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
merit to him, as in i can see breshke thinking that from his point of view, not to do with ls' alignment

On April 28 2015 01:58 rsoultin wrote:
lol@xata's sig

On April 28 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:


i don't disagree about what he's said and i can see him thinking that it makes ls scum (dodging questions etc, not showing the meta) but i don't agree that it makes ls scum since i have other things that make me think he's town + i've seen him not provide the games for his meta before and the ignoring thing could just be missing out on the questions

On April 28 2015 04:30 sicklucker wrote:
See we have the same idea. If two players are doing the same nothing and are usualy scum when they do nothing. But votes were super easy to get on yamato over sandro. That means sandro is going to be mafia more of the time because there is going to be resistance on getting mafia to vote on mafia

On April 28 2015 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:
I feel quite strongly that Breshke is mafia. The reason isn't really what is in his filter, but rather what isn't there. I am going to try to explain this in detail but it will take some intuition on part of the reader to fully comprehend why I'm going after him.

I want your focus to be this:

Breshke never attempts to lead with his questions and he never offers opinions or insight on situations

Let's just break what he has posted down:



Mechanics discussion with almost no content. While discussing mechanics on it's own isn't scummy at all, it's also not something to townread people for.

After figuring out the mechanics thing that I admit I don't quite understand myself, but I also don't really know how the game works so that's not really an issue. But the point is Breshke did not talk about anything else until this post.



Notice how this is just a straight up question, he doesn't even comment on the other reads, and much less anything else going on in the game. He does not offer any information or insight, preferring to straight up ask the question



This discussion isn't about the game or trying to figure out someone's alignment. This is just a philosophical discussion about how mafia should be played, a fantastic topic if you're mafia as it looks like you're talking about the game but you really aren't. Again notice that at this point in the game I don't think Breshke has given even a single lean on any player in either direction. He has talked plenty, but not about things that are conducive to solving the game.



So when Xata pushes him for exactly what I'm pointing out, he kinda throws out a few reads. Pay special attention to the bolded. What the hell is this? This is not a read any viable human being would make. It's absolutely pointless to talk about whether or not he agrees with Indiginant's play style if he's not going to draw any conclusion from it.

Again, the theme goes on that he does not offer information unless prompted, he doesn't feel any need to share things with the thread unless specifically asked. The one exception is below.



This is his one real read this game. As you all can see it's very flimsy and actually appeals to someone else (Xata) in his explanation. Is LS really someone you would expect to take a strong leadership role when he's town? Is this a viable reason to scumread him? This feels so flimsy that I simply don't believe Breshke believes this.

Also, when pressed on about this read, notice how weak it is really:



Like none of this is strong at all. I'm not saying LS couldn't be mafia, but the reasons Breshke has brought up are absolutely not why if he is. Notice the bolded, it really seems like he could simply go and confirm it if he actually cared about the read.

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That's really about it for what is in Breshke's filter. I left out him randomly asking me about my experience level and a few other minor things, but I don't think I'm being unfair about my representation of his filter.

I believe I have fully proven that Breshke has almost no reads on anyone this game, and what little reads he does have are extremely weak. In addition all his questioning of random people is usually fairly one-sided, in that he rarely seems to offer to give up any information to his correspondent.

So, I think you cannot argue with my conclusion of what Breshke's filter is. However what is now left is to figure out if all of this actually makes him mafia. I think it does, but I'm more than willing to listen to a different opinion.


##vote Breshke

On April 28 2015 06:14 indignant wrote:

Why are you asking this right now? Why aren't you reading the posts about him? Wtf? Being "meh" is a pretty reliable scumtell for many people btw.

On April 28 2015 06:11 sandroba wrote:
HF you have been pushing a lot of BS this game. That list post is awful and so far you seem the only person that is somehow convinced I am mafia as opposed to most people who are saying "meh he is afk maybe he is mafia". You have been going for easy targets while spamming the thread with one liners and giving out terrible random reads. I believe this man is mafia and we should definetelly lynch him today.

On April 28 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote:

WHY DOES HE NEED TO READ THE THREAD WHEN HOLYFLARE HIS READS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THREAD? CAN YOU FUCKING TRY TO READ HOLYFLARE HIS READS?

If you are town. Know nothing and read Holyflare his fucking listpost you still know nothing. Except that HF got "feelings" around some people that are probably 100% fabricated.