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On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation."
My point is that even if I didn't have any clue what "bad reputation" meant exactly in this game, but I had that item and got those results, I would still immediately be super suspicious of kita and be trying to figure out whether that meant he was scum. Not just ignoring the "bad reputation" check.
But fine, we'll come at this from a different angle.
What do you think of kita? And I dont just mean "he's town" or "he's scum". Some reasoning, please.
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Well, I'm playing pretty bad.
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On April 02 2015 10:01 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation." My point is that even if I didn't have any clue what "bad reputation" meant exactly in this game, but I had that item and got those results, I would still immediately be super suspicious of kita and be trying to figure out whether that meant he was scum. Not just ignoring the "bad reputation" check. But fine, we'll come at this from a different angle. What do you think of kita? And I dont just mean "he's town" or "he's scum". Some reasoning, please.
He claimed day mason d1 which was confirmed by HF. And kita was the one to disclose this, not HF. Claiming day mason d1 and masoning HF is setting yourself up for a massive uphill battle if you are scum imo. Also this is a really townie post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=92#1832
I think that's enough not to lynch him over e.g. HTS who voted at the start of today based on information it will take 24 hours to know for sure (setting her up for more not-engaging the thread). Or slam who has probably been responsible for killing more townies than mafia.
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On April 02 2015 10:10 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 10:01 Keirathi wrote:On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation." My point is that even if I didn't have any clue what "bad reputation" meant exactly in this game, but I had that item and got those results, I would still immediately be super suspicious of kita and be trying to figure out whether that meant he was scum. Not just ignoring the "bad reputation" check. But fine, we'll come at this from a different angle. What do you think of kita? And I dont just mean "he's town" or "he's scum". Some reasoning, please. He claimed day mason d1 which was confirmed by HF. And kita was the one to disclose this, not HF. Claiming day mason d1 and masoning HF is setting yourself up for a massive uphill battle if you are scum imo. Also this is a really townie post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=92#1832I think that's enough not to lynch him over e.g. HTS who voted at the start of today based on information it will take 24 hours to know for sure (setting her up for more not-engaging the thread). Or slam who has probably been responsible for killing more townies than mafia.
Playing devil's advocate:
If we assume that kita is scum, then that post looks a lot like "discredit HF so I can get voted into the party instead", yes?
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On April 02 2015 10:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 10:10 batsnacks wrote:On April 02 2015 10:01 Keirathi wrote:On April 02 2015 09:53 batsnacks wrote:On April 02 2015 09:50 Keirathi wrote:
At the VERY LEAST, you should know that that means kita has a "bad reputation", whatever that means.
Why aren't you trying to figure it out and just ignoring it? How am I supposed to "figure it out?" I posted everything I know in the thread already. I'm not going to vote kita just because he has a "bad reputation." If "bad reputation" = mafia then the power would just say "mafia" and not "bad reputation." My point is that even if I didn't have any clue what "bad reputation" meant exactly in this game, but I had that item and got those results, I would still immediately be super suspicious of kita and be trying to figure out whether that meant he was scum. Not just ignoring the "bad reputation" check. But fine, we'll come at this from a different angle. What do you think of kita? And I dont just mean "he's town" or "he's scum". Some reasoning, please. He claimed day mason d1 which was confirmed by HF. And kita was the one to disclose this, not HF. Claiming day mason d1 and masoning HF is setting yourself up for a massive uphill battle if you are scum imo. Also this is a really townie post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=92#1832I think that's enough not to lynch him over e.g. HTS who voted at the start of today based on information it will take 24 hours to know for sure (setting her up for more not-engaging the thread). Or slam who has probably been responsible for killing more townies than mafia. Playing devil's advocate: If we assume that kita is scum, then that post looks a lot like "discredit HF so I can get voted into the party instead", yes?
Yeah.
That post is good though. I believe he's trying to share important information with town when I read it. I don't remember HF commenting that any of it was exaggerated or made up. If kita is scum and made that post, spectacular, he tricked me. That's honorable or something.
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Like kita has contributed more reads than anyone. I can't think of a reason to lynch him that doesn't assume setup knowledge that I don't have personally. Especially considering our other options.
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My point is that a scum!kita wouldn't have any reason NOT to share it. For one, it buys him some town cred, but for two it helps him attempt to get elected to the party by making HF look worse.
Don't get me wrong, a town!kita would make that exact same post, I just don't have any trouble seeing scum!kita making it either because there's a ton of upside and literally zero downside.
The point about him masoning HF to begin with is pretty good though.
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Meh you guys make me sad. I wish I had my gun back at least meh
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On April 02 2015 11:14 Damdred wrote:
Meh you guys make me sad. I wish I had my gun back at least meh
Wat
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My kp idk who got it would be hilarious if scum used my rifle on ls to see if I was fibbing and try to get another play out of the game.
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it
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On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
My kp idk who got it would be hilarious if scum used my rifle on ls to see if I was fibbing and try to get another play out of the game.
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it
What do you get for completing your contracts?
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kitaman27
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yamato77
I tried to see if I could find a pattern quickly skimming his mafia games but I can't say I found anything very useful.
GoT - Trolly, posts a lot of gifs, a few reads with mostly short explanations.
Persona 4 - Rather antagonistic calling people names. Moderate activity.
Showdown - Completely afk the whole game with little concern about how he looks.
Survivor - Actively pushing mislynches, interacting with the thread and giving several opinions. More thread control than the other games.
In comparison, town games seem to have more one-liners but I don't think I found anything I could apply to this game.
I've only exchanged PMs with him once this game asking him hapa's bus targets. He felt hapa's use was pro-town in an attempt to redirect mafia kp on a town jat to a mafia koshi.
On March 31 2015 04:14 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi is confirmed trying to blow smoke up my ass guys. I'm pretty sure it means he's mafia, but someone else should probably make that call. Koshi is town, no worries.
On March 31 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 11:43 Holyflare wrote:On March 31 2015 11:43 yamato77 wrote:On March 31 2015 11:42 Holyflare wrote:
pretty obviously town when you say obviously town, do you mean obliviously dumb? staple town koshi I mean, the static nature of his reads and his lack of re-evaluation worry me. He's tunnelled super hard and I'm the object of it. It's kind of disconcerting.
His change in read here seems to be constant. He starts to question koshi right around the time that he responds to my PM. The change in read I look favorably upon because thread sentiment certainly didn't point to many people being suspicious of koshi at the time so he is kinda going against the grain.
What I hadn't realized prior to looking closer at his filter was that he is providing a decent number of opinions. There is very little pressure on him while he is doing this, so its not like he is being forced to contribute to survive. He seems to be going through filters and commenting without anyone asking for it.
I was kinda hoping I would come to a different conclusion based on a shrinking pool of players to find scum in, but going with townie-null.
I've took a look at VE and came up null, but I'm going to re-read and give it another try. I might be heading to bed soon so I may need to do it in between breaks at work tomorrow.
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kitaman27
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On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it
I don't follow what you are saying here.
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kitaman27
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am I exempt from this since you think im mafia purely based on my role
(seriously?)
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On April 02 2015 12:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Anyeay I want lying about the item and who I used it on obviously its not based ok name flavor meh, it actually had the opposite reaction I expected from it I don't follow what you are saying here.
I think he's saying that he wasn't lying about using the soul fragment on you+rsoultin and that it doesn't work based on role name? And that he expected you to be the town one and rsoultin to be scum.
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I pretty much agree with every single person on your list, except maybe Onegu and Snarfs but those don't really have much reasoning and your reads are based on PM stuff that I don't have access to, just what's in the thread.
But i also think the whole pm block thing is really strange.
And I also am paranoid.
Mehhhhhhhhhh.
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Oh, I also don't entirely agree with your Damdred thing. Or rather, I think you're misrepresenting it a bit.
On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
I think the point was he was using it kind of like a parity cop check and he thought you were the townie one and rsoultin was the scum one. He had told me in PMs that he thought she might not be town, and I think said it in the thread at some point too?
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@kita A lot of those reads are based on happenings in PM land. There are pieces of your reads on koshi, snarfs, crossfire, me, OWS, and VA that I can disagree with but I'm glad you shared them regardless I guess?
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kitaman27
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On April 02 2015 12:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
am I exempt from this since you think im mafia purely based on my role
(seriously?)
You can talk about the others I suppose. I will say that some of the explanations were kinda rushed as I was trying to get things in before the deadline. More concerned with what people think about the alignment conclusions themselves.
@HTS So is your vote 100% based on damdred's item, that clearly isn't a dt check? As for why I didn't claim to you, I didn't feel that it benefited town. I know this sounds silly coming from the guy who is asking everyone for claims, but all these claims being thrown around makes the mafia's job a lot easier.
By the way, the Moriarty pool is likely this group of players unless mistakes were made (quite possible). Not sure if anyone narrow this down further.
Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable
@snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic.
Also, LS's role does suggest mafia has access to some stuff that messes with investigative checks:
"immune to any and every sort alignment altering ability (including framing, godfather, miller, etc.) "
On April 02 2015 12:20 Keirathi wrote:Oh, I also don't entirely agree with your Damdred thing. Or rather, I think you're misrepresenting it a bit. Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
I think the point was he was using it kind of like a parity cop check and he thought you were the townie one and rsoultin was the scum one. He had told me in PMs that he thought she might not be town, and I think said it in the thread at some point too?
Yeah if chooses to win (don't see why he wouldn't want to spend some quality family time) then that may be less relavent.
On April 02 2015 12:22 batsnacks wrote:
@kita A lot of those reads are based on happenings in PM land. There are pieces of your reads on koshi, snarfs, crossfire, me, OWS, and VA that I can disagree with but I'm glad you shared them regardless I guess?
Well koshi is dead and obi seems to be town checked from LS.
What do you think about VA, xfire and snarfs in general?
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