EPTOn April 02 2015 09:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
I stole Slam's vote as my night action which i will confirm now.
##vote alakaslam
I stole Slam's vote as my night action which i will confirm now.
##vote alakaslam
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batsnacks
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Sepulchre
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On April 02 2015 12:26 kitaman27 wrote: By the way, the Moriarty pool is likely this group of players unless mistakes were made (quite possible). Not sure if anyone narrow this down further. Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable @snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic. It's good to see my decision to not claim to you validated, I suppose. | ||
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justanothertownie
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@snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic. [/QUOTE] Snarfs has already done so - it is not a valid discussion topic. You can take him and me off the list. That leaves yamato, VE and Sep. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 30 2015 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote: My issue with snarfs is the really "pro-town" intro post with a complete lack of followup with regard to actually finding mafia and deciding on a lynch target as a town. Like, his whole thing was "I want a Warrior who will lynch according to the majority decision" but has opted out of discussing who actually IS mafia or who SHOULD be lynched today, all day. Comparing this post to the time stamps in snarf's filter this does seem like a valid point. Snarfs doesn't actually suggest a lynch target. At the time, snarfs was also rsoul's preferred target, with LS, SL, and BH being thrown around. The need to push a mislynch isn't totally obvious at this point from a mafia perspective if snarfs was town. On March 29 2015 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Keir you're spending a really disproportionate amount of time trying to discredit everything I post. For a "meta master" you're really underwhelming this game. Consider yourself moved down to the "lynch" list. His read on keir is less appealing as it mostly comes out to an omgus and frustration that keir is disagreeing with his reads. Rather than dramatizing things by saying keir is maliciously discrediting him, he should have tried to justify the reads that were being questioned since they were just names without explanations. Looking at the d1 voting, it doesn't look like anything too fishy went on. The cleric role was there for the taking against a town rsoul. Me, rsoultin, and Chezitwo were three of the four votes that pushed JAT ahead of VE late (Sepulchre the other). BH going from VE to HF and back to VE is really the only push that VE would have gotten late. His play drops off from d2 and on in my opinion. He is 100% on keir, he is very certain on snarfs. On March 31 2015 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I AND A FEW OTHERS HAAAAAVVVVVEEEEEE BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEIRATHI, AND YAMATO SAYS THAT HE'S NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT! HAAAAAAAAVVVVVVEEEEEEE BEEN TALKING ABOUT KEIRATHI BEING MAFIA AND IT'S BEING IGNORED BY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FUCKING GAME!!!!! On March 31 2015 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: VayneAuthority May he rest in peace. On March 31 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean I thought he was quasi scummy yesterday and mostly absent. I'm assuming a check, honestly. At the end of N1 post 1 shows his frame of mind and now that the day comes around his vote is based on an assumed check? Because marv happens to bring VA with a one-liner at one point? This is the first time VA is actually mentioned by VE, aside from having him on his not lynch list. If he was scummy and absent on d1, what put him on your town list? On April 01 2015 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm......removing my vote from VA. BH smells fishy and with all the bussing supposedly going on EVEN IF we believe that VA was marv's target, there's no guarantee that's who the check was on ultimately. He does eventually back off, but he doesn't bring up an alternative besides maybe BH due to role speculation and a few comments on xfire that doesn't really have a .conclusion. From March 30 2015 15:29 to April 02 2015 09:56 he hasn't really done anything and that's a pretty large cap of time. He seems really certain about a couple people earlier, but they disappear from his filter without explanation. Compared to yamato where he continues to post things when he is not under pressure, VE kinda does the opposite. There are a few reservations I have based on the d1 lynch, so I probably wouldn't put VE at the top of my lynch list, but likely in the 4-5 range. Leaning scummy-null. I'll try to take another look at the people I called mafia earlier and see if we can come up with the best one to kill off today. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 02 2015 12:26 kitaman27 wrote: Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable @snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic. Snarfs has already done so - it is not a valid discussion topic. You can take him and me off the list. That leaves yamato, VE and Sep. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 02 2015 17:29 Alakaslam wrote: Now time to side with the beast in hopes he won't kill me I know I h8 u all right now But U save me And I may have to townsided to wincon for period So I am gonna get hit with 2KP You save me and I can rain rayn shit on whoever you want me to Because really, can I actually use it for scum? lol XD I don't thin any faction would waste some kind of protection on you slam. You fucked over town and I bet scum does not want you in the game either. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 03 2015 00:30 justanothertownie wrote: Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable @snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic. Snarfs has already done so - it is not a valid discussion topic. You can take him and me off the list. That leaves yamato, VE and Sep.[/QUOTE] I know he claimed willingly, but I'm starting to be less trustful to take the first part as fact based on the second part. Either way, there are probably more important things to discuss. Do you have mafia reads to share? You can't stick to role speculation forever. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 03 2015 00:34 kitaman27 wrote: Snarfs has already done so - it is not a valid discussion topic. You can take him and me off the list. That leaves yamato, VE and Sep. I know he claimed willingly, but I'm starting to be less trustful to take the first part as fact based on the second part. Either way, there are probably more important things to discuss. Do you have mafia reads to share? You can't stick to role speculation forever.[/QUOTE] I know. If I had really strong mafia reads I would be pushing them. What I am doing right now is looking who actually puts in effort to solve the game and what those people come up with. I don't have anything to prove to anyone because there are at least 3-4 people that I should be confirmed town to if they are town which I am pretty sure they are. Even if I had a good idea about the scumteam me saying this might influence mafias actions today and right now this is not needed. If you want input on your reads I can do that in a minute. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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kitaman27
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On April 03 2015 00:38 justanothertownie wrote: Even if I had a good idea about the scumteam me saying this might influence mafias actions today and right now this is not needed. If you want input on your reads I can do that in a minute. Go for it. It's probably more important to figure who the mafia team is than to worry about what the mafia might do if they're caught. | ||
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Crossfire99
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On April 02 2015 13:49 Keirathi wrote: You just told me like 2 hours before the day flip that you agreed with me that HtS looked town. What changed? Also that list of 3 looks strange considering HtS is hard-scumreading kita. How likely do you think it is that they are scum together? What changed is that I had a chance to reread filters of 100% confirmed townies who are now dead. You know when you don't have a strong impression either way on someone, and when someone tells you how they are reading someone it colors how you read them? When you explained why you thought she was town, I reread her, but what you said was in my head, so I read her as town. I reread her now with what dead confirmed townies think of her and it's enough for me to change my mind and consider her as a potential lynch target. Honestly, I'm ultimately still up in the air about her, but I'd put her in the will potentially lynch category. Screw this we're lynching HtS. She's scum. This is probably a double bus scenario. Thanks keirathi for making me reread more. If you're town, you did your job. If you're scum...oops? Let's go through her filter shall we? She starts off wanting kita in the adventuring party and basically calling him town right away in all these quotes and agreeing with his lynch targets like BH. + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2015 04:56 Half the Sky wrote: I've scanned/read up to page 30 and my general thoughts so far: Votes for the party: Any of ExO, Keirathi, HF or Kitaman would do. Keirarthi seems pretty straightforward, and I like ExO's general approach/tone to his game. Kitaman seems to have the same approach (picking out scummy points as he can) as he has had in his town games in Carol and JOAT, and I am quite comfortable with him, even if he doesn't post that much. I'm also fine with HF's train of thought, and tone-wise he appears to be speaking naturally. On March 29 2015 05:26 Half the Sky wrote: ObiWanShinobi said that he'd vote for anyone that wasn't Kita early on. I realise that was early on though. Was that a joke, has that since changed if it wasn't? And if you still don't like Kita, why? I was pretty content with him. On March 29 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote: Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is. He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content. On March 31 2015 04:53 Half the Sky wrote: I say phrases like that with people because I've made the mistake of scumreading people (or in the case of VA in NYE Party) I've pushed mislynches as town because I didn't know their meta simply because I've not played with them before. In the current meta, filter length is being made as an argument for scumreading someone, and there are players that I think we need to look beyond that (such as Kita, who is not a spammer for instance). Call it cautious but that's just my interpretation of the way some people play and based on my experiences with people I've not had a game with before. On April 01 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote: Or that even if he DID check VA, that the check itself wasn't tampered with by a framer-like role. I've been discussing this cop trifecta/mechanics thing with a couple of people, admittedly I generally have a rough time in normal games grasping some of these mechanics lol. I had a town lean on VA going into N1 and a scum read from Kita's meta read on BH, so I was a bit surprised when I saw the red check at first. Even marv noted the weird view HtS had on kita. + Show Spoiler + On March 29 2015 08:58 Chezitwo wrote: The only other thing I noted down (up to the point of this Trfel post) is that I was curious why Half the Sky liked kitaman, given how little kitaman has done. I don't really have a read on kitaman either way, and it's curious that HtS feels the need to pick him out as someone townie. On March 29 2015 09:15 Chezitwo wrote: Could you just explain a little what in his content makes him likely to be town? A better question - can you explain what in he has posted you don't think he can post as mafia? What has he posted that you don't think he could fake as mafia? The Iron Bank thanks you for your continued business. On March 29 2015 20:55 Chezitwo wrote: Half the Sky is probably a pretty good shot at mafia. So she goes from basically thinking he's town and agreeing with his reads to what...to what she just posted at the beginning of this day. On April 02 2015 09:01 Half the Sky wrote: So last night I used a redirect power on Kita, thinking he might be scum. I realise kp is factional, but if he had some anti-town ability it would have reflected on me as a result. I have maintained a fear read on him since the beginning of the game based on a number of things in the filter (despite my initial town read), his track record as scum (database) and left my last will privately with 3-4 others that I trusted in the event something he did or took killed me as a result. Damdred had done some sort of test though on Kita and Kita according to him has come up scum with Rasputin coming up town, which obviously now is confirmed. I'm sure there's a mole in there somewhere amongst the people I talked to or left a last will, so it's possible that a scum Kita, if Kita is scum may have pulled his action back. I cannot know this. I had asked him what his role was privately and he didn't answer. Like not even a semblance of a response. I wasn't afraid to divulge what I had since I didn't think it was that potent in the grand scheme of things (not compared to other abilities being talked about) and honestly being town, I had nothing to be afraid of really. JAT probed me for my abilties as well, If him and Kita are scum together it's possible any action Kita could have taken would have been pulled back given all the individuals I talked to. LS is confirmed town, Sepulchre is almost certainly town based on all the PMing I've been doing with him, and BH is looking a bit better also given the PMs I've had with him. I'm inclined to believe and trust Damdred with what he's done, and I think Kitaman should actually be the lynch today. Pass the tinfoil hat. ##vote kitaman27 The important part is the bolded part. She maintains she was fearful of him since the beginning. That is patently not true. The only possible thing in her filter that could be construed as having a possible less than town view of kita is this quote. On March 29 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote: Chez, to answer your question, there are a few people in this community that go against the current meta of posting more = more likely to be town. Obviously if Kita does jack all the next cycle, then obviously that's cause for concern, but there are people like him, LoneMeow and even Trfel that don't post much but they are still fairly readable with the content they have. Kita's posts as town in his town games have generally been simple and either advancing town agenda directly or showing that he's scumhunting. So the volume isn't there, but the content is. He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content. She still calls him town but just leaves room to call him scum if he doesn't do anything. Literally everything she's done up to this point has assumed he is town with no indication otherwise. Lynch HtS or kita. Don't really care which. They're both scum. Even marv noticed something + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2015 05:08 Chezitwo wrote: I might say that kitaman is one of very few players I think might try to pull that off as mafia. Right now I think they're both scum. Kita has been getting more and more pressure lately and now with people like rsoultin scum reading kita and her being dead and town, kita was a viable lynch option. HtS is just getting ahead of the wagon so she can use his eventual mafia flip to her credit. kitaman27 and Half the Sky | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 03 2015 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote: so for whatever reason it doesnt look like my action went through on slam, I only have 1 vote. Didn't get an RB notification. anyone know what happened? This is to be expected. I think slam got bussed and you stole the vote of a dead guy. | ||
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kitaman27
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On April 02 2015 13:41 Crossfire99 wrote: For realz though. I got a bunch of town reads and I'm trying to do some poe, so I think some scum gotta be in this list: keir, HtS, VE, yamato, sep, VA, bat, and kita. So all four players that I brought up as mafia are on your mafia list and now you're pushing my lynch due to a pre-flip association case with HTS, a comment from marv that I like playing mafia, and rsoul's very poor death post, which I'll have to yell at her postgame for? Is my game plan to bus my entire team or what? Why are you basing your read on ticky tack reasons rather content from my filter? | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 03 2015 00:48 kitaman27 wrote: Go for it. It's probably more important to figure who the mafia team is than to worry about what the mafia might do if they're caught. I am not worrying about what they do when they are caught I am worrying that me stating my opinion might make it hard to catch them in the first place but maybe that's just silly. Give me a minute. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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Crossfire99
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On April 03 2015 00:53 kitaman27 wrote: So all four players that I brought up as mafia are on your mafia list and now you're pushing my lynch due to a pre-flip association case with HTS, a comment from marv that I like playing mafia, and rsoul's very poor death post, which I'll have to yell at her postgame for? Is my game plan to bus my entire team or what? Why are you basing your read on ticky tack reasons rather content from my filter? Eh, fine. We'll lynch her first and then I'll get to you. How about that? Even if you're town, I don't like her at all. | ||
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