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On April 03 2015 01:25 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2015 01:01 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yeah, I don't need to wait any longer. I'm voting. I'll wait on you, kita, until the next day. Your actual alignment doesn't matter when looking at her weird interaction with you. She might have just needed to find another lynch. *shrugs* whatever.
##Vote Half the Sky Pot. Kettle. Black? This coming from someone whose gameplay has been bleeding scum from the off. Ironic. If you're saying I'm mafia, then you are 1000% mafia. You've been just about as vague, broad, and noncomittal as they come, you had probably the worst response imaginable to when three of us were pushing you N1, and my "weird" interactions with Kita (unless you're talking about the vote itself, which I couched specifically) are not only unsupported on your end, but what I did have with Kita was pretty straightforward. If anyone is scraping for another lynch, it's you.
Was marv scraping for another lynch? He also thought you were scum? He's definitely not a pot or a kettle. He was a cop. Yeah my play has been crazy and ridiculous, sure. I will say that the whole N1 whatever was me coming in skimming the thread seeing a bunch of people calling me scum and assuming everyone was, so I that's why I said that. I'm not scum, but you are. It's not only me saying your scum it is marv and he's dead and he is 100% town.
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On April 03 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Have you looked at the credibility of the 3p claims? Particularly when people made claims in context to urgency? Which one looked the most suspicious?
I think slam is definitely 3p. His play is so retarded otherwise it is not even funny. He still has to go of course.
Trfel I have no idea about but claiming his really anti town win con seems a dumb move as scum I guess?
HF could be anything. I don't trust him at all.
Damdred I hope is gone in a few hours. If not we need to kill him with fire.[/QUOTE]
JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma.
I agree on Slam.
Trfel in particular has been the least transparent with (I understand) a number of people, and as for this game, aside from him saying I'm not trustworthy (presumably) to his cause in PM land, he's completely dropped off this game. He claimed to me early on in PM and after that I believe he claimed in thread, but the latter was in response to him getting a load of pressure in thread. I'd have to double check thread, but him mentioning him dying or something brought that out.
Even in large games, if and when Trfel were to take a town approach, he'd be posting something. He's generally a low post count person, but I've seen jack all in at least a cycle and a half. I'm still pretty sure he's third party though based on having specific targets. If he cannot win with town, based on the OP, he should be on the lynch list.
Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town
So I think for third parties, we lynch into Trfel and Slam.
Damdred might have weird dynamics with his role, but if what he said was true, he should just take his gold watch and go home when he's able to. His actions in PM seemed pro-town. And I was third party in JOAT and I can understand the pro-town sentiment even when it's not part of your wincon, because that's how also I played. I don't think for the time being, that's unreasonable.
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if it kills town like a mafia
and it confuses the thread like a mafia
and it ends the day early like a mafia
its probably a mafia just sayin.
You guys are too hung up on it being slam, hes a lot smarter then you actually think even if he just posts gibberish.
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EBWOP - Fixed quote.
On April 03 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:
I think slam is definitely 3p. His play is so retarded otherwise it is not even funny. He still has to go of course.
Trfel I have no idea about but claiming his really anti town win con seems a dumb move as scum I guess?
HF could be anything. I don't trust him at all.
Damdred I hope is gone in a few hours. If not we need to kill him with fire.
JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma.
I agree on Slam.
Trfel in particular has been the least transparent with (I understand) a number of people, and as for this game, aside from him saying I'm not trustworthy (presumably) to his cause in PM land, he's completely dropped off this game. He claimed to me early on in PM and after that I believe he claimed in thread, but the latter was in response to him getting a load of pressure in thread. I'd have to double check thread, but him mentioning him dying or something brought that out.
Even in large games, if and when Trfel were to take a town approach, he'd be posting something. He's generally a low post count person, but I've seen jack all in at least a cycle and a half. I'm still pretty sure he's third party though based on having specific targets. If he cannot win with town, based on the OP, he should be on the lynch list.
Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town
So I think for third parties, we lynch into Trfel and Slam.
Damdred might have weird dynamics with his role, but if what he said was true, he should just take his gold watch and go home when he's able to. His actions in PM seemed pro-town. And I was third party in JOAT and I can understand the pro-town sentiment even when it's not part of your wincon, because that's how also I played. I don't think for the time being, that's unreasonable.
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On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Leaning Town
LightningStrike - Has a towny sounding role claim. I'm still assuming he gets shot at some point so I haven't looked at him a ton.
Onegu - Claimed role in thread and tries to work with cleric to produce gun on d1. Transparency typically a townie trait...though it would be nice to figure out why his role didn't work n1.
justanothertownie - Active in PMs and trying to solve things. Would re-evaluate closer to to lylo, but seems town.
rsoultin - Seems town. Would be another that I'd re-evaluate closer to lylo. Maybe damdred's item tells us something.
Towny/Null
WaveofShadow - Has a day vig shot and PMs others asking how it should be used. It's possible that he was looking for people to tell him to shoot hapa, but like I said earlier if I had his role I'd simply use it on whoever is the biggest threat to mafia, which wasn't an afk hapa.
Koshi - Town based on activity and giving out reads and pushing them often. If there is a mafia playing the endgame role, then he likely is the one for paranoia reasons that I'm not going to entertain right now.
Half the Sky - Provided a claim pretty easily. Mafia typically don't give out information they don't need to since it comes back to hurt them if they're caught lying. I haven't looked at her content wise in a long time. I probably should do my due diligence if I survive the night.
Keirathi - According to JAT, he was pretty willing to cooperate in solving things via PM.
Snarfs - Not going to deny its anything other than his willingness to claim his role early.
Crossfire99 - As I said earlier, he bread crumbed strongbad so if Moriarty is mafia like we assume, that would mean mafia is checking a different mafia player who is actually strongbad, which makes both xfire and that other mafia player outed if any role cop reveals the true strongbad. His actual posts have little value and he hasn't done a ton to try to help town aside from the fake death and I was scummy null on him before the death, but I'd put others higher on the chopping board.
Blazinghand - Well the whole Lestrade/Moriarty thing suggest town if Moriarty is mafia. Moriarty hasn't claimed so that seems to be the assumption to make for now. Thought he looked mafia on day one based on the quotes I posted.
Null
ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
Exo_ - Maybe townie null. Admits to own the day ending thing so thats a plus for him.
Other
Ran out of time on these two (I blame damdred). One or both may be mafia by process of elimination.
yamato77
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Leaning Mafia
batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
3p/mafia:
Alakaslam - Slam has played the blatant anti-town role before. Either way he totally wrecked day two so he most certainly needs to be held accountable. In PMs, he admitted to making up the stuff about BH being lynched killing off the mayor. Look closer at that if he flips red at any point. He also claims to need to kill JAT as part of his win condition, but that's probably another lie. Don't assume 3P because he is almost certainly anti-town based on his actions.
Other 3p claims:
Holyflare - There were others that I said I would re-evaluate closer to lylo, but he is someone worth re-evaluating much sooner than that, but probably not until the first couple mafia are flipped (hopefully that actually happens -_-)
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
Trfel - Really should pressure him to dual on n3, since I wasn't able to get things going tonight. How come we can't get any pro-town 3p claims? -_-
Ok, let's do this systematically.
LS: dead, basically confirmed Obi though.
Onegu: Agreed. Likely town and his role worked night 2.
JAT: most obvious town that ever towned.
rsoultin: dead
WoS: dead, I am agreeing with your reasoning for townreading though and I think I already gave it myself.
Koshi: dead, obvious townie
HTS: I don't have her as towny as you do. Yes, the whole plan for last night looked towny but nothing about it is really confirmed. Seemed to try a little in periods when noone did anything though - so at least she has that going for her.
Keirathi: Your reason to townread him is somewhat false. He willingly gave information but he did not try to solve the game in pms at least not with me. I think he didn't do the worst job at it in the thread though. One of the few people with very smart posts at times.
Snarfs: Yeah, basically pm land but I also like his recent posts in the thread. Not lynching this guy.
Xfire: I agree with your reasoning and don't really know what it makes me think of crossfire. I guess l would not lynch him for now if only because moriarty (supposed scum) checking him would be very suboptimal play. Also think that he would not flip himself as mafia if he was mafia. There would be so much potential to fakeclaim here and since he discussed what he should fake with confirmed town rsoultin this makes even less sense. Yeah, not lynching any time soon.
BH: Nothing to add to what you said. Moriarty is the only reason I think he is probably town.
Obi: Basically confirmed town by LS check.
Exo: Depends a little on slams actual alignment but his play does not make any sense as scum for me. Why would you tell town that you have the ability to end the day early and give it away to someone that's not mafia? I think this guy is just extremely bad town and not mafia.
Going on to your mafia reads in another post.
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Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.
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On April 03 2015 01:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
if it kills town like a mafia
and it confuses the thread like a mafia
and it ends the day early like a mafia
its probably a mafia just sayin.
You guys are too hung up on it being slam, hes a lot smarter then you actually think even if he just posts gibberish.
The point is that what he did is NOT smart as mafia. It is really really dumb. Sure all this is very helpful to mafia but he could have done all this without claiming that he did it and would have achieved the same.
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.
Nope, you have. I haven't been poisoned and I specifically asked GreY about it because I will find out when I will die. And I ain't dying anytime soon. So you're lying about poisoning me or you got redirected.
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.
wat
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Xfire pm: i have a power that delays all actions on me by a day
Xfire thread: you lied hf!
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Besides that's not why I'm calling you liars. 
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You can pm me at night, cya!
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On April 03 2015 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
Xfire pm: i have a power that delays all actions on me by a day
Xfire thread: you lied hf!
Not true at all. So now we lynch HF! That's not even what I said in my pm.
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On April 03 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
You can pm me at night, cya!
No no no. What did I lie about?
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Nope HF is lying. We lynch him. He's not a survivor. IF he is, he isn't playing for us and he's playing for scum. What I said in my pm is that I got 2 new ones. The first is a passive delay my death by one phase and a death framer. That's it. HF is lying!
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On April 03 2015 01:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
It's not only me saying your scum it is marv and he's dead and he is 100% town.
1 Someone can be 100% town but 100% incorrect on someone if they cannot read them. Marv has admitted openly in the past that I am hard to read as town when I am town. (bolded).
On January 13 2015 20:30 marvellosity wrote:
edit: one other thing, i did actually briefly meta HTS after rsoultin died, and my first thought was that she was a difficult player for me to meta because she plays in a way that i find hard to hard-read as town (when she is town)
what i did notice was that in this game her pushes came much later than in her towngames, there was a lot more preamble and somewhat less direction. Thought it was possible she might play that way as town though, I don't think I read closely enough to pick up any inconsistencies there may have been
2 I interacted with Marv in PM land and I specifically asked him his scumreads in addition to myself. He backtracked on his previous read on me. Obviously you didn't know that, but this is what he told me in PM land.
Original Message From Chezitwo: I don't really know about you, your posts haven't seemed too bad. My only real scumread is VA, and I have a lot of "they should be doing a lot more but aren't" scumreads that I'm not sure count as real scumreads. Show nested quote +Original Message From Half the Sky:
Who else do you think is scum (besides myself - I assume your read on me hasn't really changed)?
To sum it up: If you are sheeping Marv, try again.
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The first is a passive delay my death by one phase
That's exactly what i just said rofl!
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Jat and xfire have been lying to you all.
I know Crossfire's filter has been a steaming pile of rubbish all game, nothing new there.
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Yeah don't do that HtS. That's against the rules.
You may NOT quote directly any PM you receive from a host or another player.
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On April 03 2015 01:55 justanothertownie wrote:No no no. What did I lie about?
Haha dude I'm not telling mafia. You're just going to have to lynch me and people can read my power and then lynch you and crossfire.
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