Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia

On March 26 2015 03:58 Fecalfeast wrote:

has your ban been approved yet?

On April 06 2015 08:31 GlowingBear wrote:


It is still strategical nonetheless

On April 07 2015 22:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Vivax you still didn't answer me if you think rsoultin is Mafia.
Palmar, who are my partners?
Koshi, give reads.

On April 08 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:


Vivax - How?

HF - who would it be if not him? (reasons please xP)

GB - so what palmar said and not what damdy said? what do you think about them interpreting GB's post completely differently, yet arriving at the same conclusion?

lol also i think koshi has mentioned trying to not be so UBER KOSHI SPAMMER AMAZING TOWNIE several times over his last several games (joat, the one that hasn't finished yet, etc. etc.) however you usually can't keep it bottled long xP i wouldn't mind posts of more substance even if you're determined to keep them few <3

On April 08 2015 07:19 Onegu wrote:



I claim mason!!!

On April 08 2015 16:47 Vivax wrote:
So you never even believed what Palmar said when you justified your GB scumread, you only vaguely remembered he said something smart. Lol ok.

Posting a defense of yourself doesn't make me mafia, so that tl dr is displaced.

On April 08 2015 14:44 DreadReturn wrote:
Yes, I asked a "seemingly easy" question to Damdred.

1) The guy who initially responded to GB's post.

2) From which Palmar started his GB campaign.

3) From which there is currently a wagon on someone we definitely shouldn't be lynching today.

Carry on.

On April 08 2015 22:16 Vivax wrote:


You ask all the wrong questions.
The right question is what DR would achieve from getting a random townread from Damdred.

On April 08 2015 14:44 DreadReturn wrote:
Yes, I asked a "seemingly easy" question to Damdred.

1) The guy who initially responded to GB's post.

2) From which Palmar started his GB campaign.

3) From which there is currently a wagon on someone we definitely shouldn't be lynching today.

Carry on.

On April 08 2015 22:21 Vivax wrote:


He talks about Damdred as if he's a VIP in the GB stuff as justification for asking that question. So he explains the "who", not the "why"

On April 08 2015 20:34 Vivax wrote:
Question to Damdred seemed disconnected but he justified it in a believable way.

1) Damdred replied to GB
2) Palmar made a case on GB
3) GB got a bunch off incorrect votes on him.

Carry on

On April 08 2015 22:21 Vivax wrote:


He talks about Damdred as if he's a VIP in the GB stuff as justification for asking that question. So he explains the "who", not the "why"

On April 08 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
The RSOUL reads of SO MUCH WINNING part One! (broke this up into two parts cause meeeeh much work takes much time xP)

Townreads

Glowingbear is town. Like, obviously town. Ask me why if you can't figure it out, but note the word: obvious

Holyflare is probably town as well. Early observations on Eden/OWS on-point, noted the same things about OWS and yamato that I did. Can see town-motivation for the game but am not going to give anyone what I think he's doing, 'cause I may be seeing shadows where there are none.

Townleans

Dreadreturn analysis of Palmar's GB read spot on, some good pressure on Damdred/Yamato, but he has NO READS whatsoever. Which is concerning. Low postcount I can handle. No reads I can't. So only townlean for now.

Koshi...tone read mostly based on one post in particular that made me laugh. That said, his reads are disturbingly dissimilar to mine except for one key one. (Not that this makes him scum given past history). Waiting for that fire to ignite.

Nullish-town

Eden1892 blah entrance redeemed somewhat by analysis of players scumreading him, some relative lightheartedness (toneread) in his play and being observant, but the anger seemed a bit flat. Reserving judgment.

Scummy

Damdred's read on GB seems at best conf biasy, adding on what he can as he goes. Approves of Palmar despite Palmar's analysis being different from his, and when asked for other reads by Dreadreturn provides ritoky (lit. the easiest read for him to make as mafia given it's a "soulread" anyway and requires no explanation) and Dreadreturn for the pressure (meh, easy way to get a townie off your back is to townread them). BONUS!! he tries to say I'm scummy for not playing peacemaker when 1) I had been to a small extent and 2) in XXX his metaread was the exact OPPOSITE, saying I was scum because I was playing mediator

On April 08 2015 13:53 rsoultin wrote:
damn it all i'd just finished.

oh well

just gonna post a marv-like list of awesome right here and if y'all want more, ask


Town

Glowingbear
Holyflare
Onegu - my boi ^^
Eden - bumpted up for recent posts

Townish

OWS - the cluelessness is real <3
Koshi

Maybe Town?
ritoky - like the laidback approach but otherwise hard to read
dreadreturn

Null
Palmar - equal pluses and minuses but one post that tonally feels town so eeeeh

Scummy
Vivax - lack of commitment to reads on a whole, some weird waffling with no conclusions
Damdred
Yamato - goes from prob mafia on hf to don't give in to his stupidity? sniping. no explanation for reads


i'm cool with lynching anyone in the scummy section but can we please lynch yamato? -bats eyelashes-

On April 08 2015 23:06 Vivax wrote:
I don't even care about the game outcome, you're annoying and frustrating and if you are willing to get shot or lynched after my flip I will throw the game.

On April 08 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
<b>##unvote
##vote: vivax</b>

On April 09 2015 00:42 Vivax wrote:
From town to null with no posts from HF in between, SEEMS LEGIT

On April 09 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


She explained her yamato read.

The only point listed here you might have is that she agreed with ritoky without scumreading DR, but I don't think that's scummy either especially since I was thinking something along the same lines.

On April 07 2015 20:32 Palmar wrote:

In brief, I'll write out some:

I actually liked Damdred's opening. I agreed with him picking up that post from GB (as I've shown now later) and in general he sounded like a townie to me.

I sort of maybe think Obi looked bad at times. All his initial contributions were quite shit. I didn't really have any kinde of conclusion though. I think he pointed out that HF did the game-show thing as mafia once without actually drawing any conclusion from it or giving an opinion, so that was kind of maybe scummy, but not terribly so.

I think I recall something from Onegu that was almost policy-lynch-worthy

HF's thing is completely alignment null. It all depends on what he does with it. He's smart enough to realize that he has done this before, and so it really doesn't matter. He could be town doing it to fuck with people or he could be wifom mafia "I wouldn't do it again". It's pointless to speculate until he actually does anything worth reading.

There are probably more I don't recall right now.

On April 08 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
It is also odd that Palmar has no opinion on Eden.

On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:


It is.

Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia.

On April 08 2015 04:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Argh, too many scummy people

On April 08 2015 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:


You know very well I do 180 reads
Damdy, you can't be town this game.

I'm voting you.

On April 08 2015 08:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden your townreads are weird

On April 08 2015 10:18 GlowingBear wrote:
This game is boring. I stated two or three times that Eden has problems in his scumreads and nobody asked me why.
Nobody is really trying to play this, sadly.

On April 08 2015 13:22 GlowingBear wrote:


It was just a way I found to keep generating discussion. However, if he kept teasing obi, this would fit perfectly.
The thing is that his game thing seems like a good plan to me and it hardly fits any Mafia agenda. That's why I'm willing to call him town for now. The game have yet to begin, though.

On April 08 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:


Explain to me why Vivax looks alright now and why you scumread him before

On April 09 2015 06:25 Eden1892 wrote:

y u no damdred

On April 07 2015 23:44 Damdred wrote:
Hi palmar I'm kind of sick but being on top of your list makes me have good feelings.

As such I actually think Eden should be in the last bracket and RS might be better served marginally lower.

Eden is actually probably second on my list as scum after GB. Bad entrance and hasn't been memorable or tried to do much at all at this point. Which is anti-town for Eden at best. I also think its highly unlikely that RS and Eden would be scum together though for bad reasons

On April 07 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:


which part? How obi hash left the thread after you interjected and called hf mafia somewhat? We lost information idk what question I'm avoiding

On April 09 2015 07:12 Eden1892 wrote:

Pls that was an easy read to make. Everyone else called my one post bad before he did and he never actually did anything to engage me or figure out my alignment from there

On April 09 2015 07:15 DreadReturn wrote:

After Vivax, HolyFlare and Obi, by process of elimination.

I could argue why I think someone is more town than these three if you would like.

On April 09 2015 07:21 DreadReturn wrote:

Let's assume that I'm a terribad player Palmar. Where do we go from there? Do we just lynch terribad players and then blame them when they flip town?

Talk to me about how crap by Vivax case is.

On April 09 2015 07:24 DreadReturn wrote:

Alright maybe this will help.
Vivax



HF





Obi


other people.

I don't feel strongly about Obi. He is forgettable. In my spreadsheet he has the least amount of comments so by virtue of being most forgettable, he gets relegated to third place.

On April 09 2015 07:26 DreadReturn wrote:

No I'm not who that is. No one is remotely close, and I'm not interested in disclosing who I am - hence the smurf.

On April 09 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote:
Ok DR doesn't actually sound like 100% mafia.

I'm back on veryfaintlyglowingbear

On April 09 2015 07:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


lol

What a bad post.

On April 09 2015 07:39 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna talk about it.

If he is a stubborn asshole, which most of us are, he is not going to cave in to pressure. In fact he's probably less likely to do it as town because that way it's a "well fuck you town" type of situation instead of letting a team down by being policy lynched over something dumb like that.

So no. Not happening.

On April 09 2015 07:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not voting into the claimed vigi.

On April 09 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
There's a guaranteed town vigi dude. Palmar is the best lynch and you aint even commented on it.

On April 09 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
There's a guaranteed town vigi dude. Palmar is the best lynch and you aint even commented on it.

On April 09 2015 07:53 Palmar wrote:
Koshi the setup is open, which means there is a town vigi and there is a scum vigi if I understand it correctly?

ie: we know the setup. It is:

JK
Vig
8 VT

RB
Vig
Goon

On April 09 2015 21:14 Holyflare wrote:


There was also this ^






Koshi answer plz

On April 09 2015 23:57 rsoultin wrote:


can someone give me something on GB other than afk?

and that bullshit joke/not joke argument that palmar pulled out his ass? i don't think that the case is alignment indicative for palmar necessarily but the argument was shit, DR said how it was shit, I said how it was shit, GB said how it was shit...more people said how it was shit yet somehow people still like it

so if i'm missing something please tell me

On April 10 2015 00:51 Koshi wrote:
Hmm. Rsoultin her list is also very viable. It is not my list. But I can see how it possible. My self confidence in my own lists is on a lifetime low.

Anyway. Vig shoots Vivax?


DISCLAIMER: I still didn't read the 400 posts before the lynch. And those posts are extremely important and valuable.

On April 10 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
Have a good night hopefully the vigi is someone sensible

Vivax best shot
Damdred probably good shot
Palmar mafia
Obi probably mafia

Someone in that list is wrong but being bad so don't really care. If you wanna yolo you can yolo gb. Shooting me will solve nothing other than mafia palmar/obi etc agenda and as you just saw palmar is ready for the field day my flip will bring.

Damdred is stuck in the past. Made a big post on him about his reads not fluidly updating. Don't know if afking in part due to being mafia or not but feels off and not cool damdy.

Obi's only scum read in this entire game is apparently me (and gb lolololol yeh can see that from his 0 reasons) and he flat out refuses to explain why about me to anyone. If I die make him explain his read. If it involves anything in Palmar's case lynch him with absolute fire because he scum read me before Palmar's case and those events even happened.

Vivax absolutely a waste of space and when threatened with vig shot trolled and his only scum read is... Ritoky....? Get the fuck outta here.

Palmar is pushing false information. Really just read his case and then the events of the deadline. He says I'm just pushing my interpretation of events but that's not true. He selectively pulled out quotes from my filter to fit his mafia narrative case and left out all the quotes where i perfectly explained myself. Check out his you scum read gb and then town read him for no reason thing. I had so many reasons that I repeated many times. Check it plz plz plz.


Never ever follow yamato. Pick someone with a sensible list like rsoul. She has a good game sense and jk should absolutely be on her tonight. Her list was one of the ones I agreed the most on.

Don't lynch rsoul/ritoky/probablyonegu/koshi was completely absent today but townyish d1 so don't let him fall off but otherwise keep him here

Be absolutely wary of yamato since he is pushing me for palmars case but he was the one commandeering the dr lynch and forcing people onto it too. He said he'd try hard as any alignment and last time he tried he got town read all d1 by people but was mafia.


Eden super underwhelming but not really sure if mafia at all. Seems pretty carefree to be mafia at the moment. Gb list post was super mediocre and contained barely any relevant game info but it's hard to hate it when all the scummy ppl pushed him and it kinda aligned with my/rsoul list.

On April 10 2015 17:14 Eden1892 wrote:

palmar could have been carrying the missing kp

On April 10 2015 17:20 Vivax wrote:
There's zero logic in what you said unless you have more information koshi

On April 08 2015 13:46 Eden1892 wrote:

Several times when I was reading through that GB-Damdred-Palmar sequence Vivax chimed in and said basically what I was thinking about the things I was reading as I read them. It obviously doesn't make him lock clear town but it's generally a good sign when people are reacting the same way you are to the game.

I scumread him before because I put all the names of people who hinted I was mafia without voting me into a hat and pulled his name out. Lol
Not literally but that was kinda my thought process and it wasn't trying very hard. This is though.

On April 10 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote:
Koshi why do you try to use night actions to argue that Palmar is town with such confidence if you were thinking he was town beforehand. I have issues with the reasoning and the reasons to use that reasoning. I just don't see them.

On April 11 2015 01:02 Palmar wrote:

You lynched DR last night.

You can't call me awful until GB has flipped town.

On April 11 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote:

you're bad.

On April 11 2015 01:45 Eden1892 wrote:

Cuz you got jailed, there's missing kp and I don't believe you were shot at by vig or scum

On April 11 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:


Koshi you're doing a very poor job narrowing possible blues to Mafia
If town vigi hold their shot, you're destroying a bullet

On April 07 2015 17:03 rsoultin wrote:


the failure lolol

nah eden be mafioso i do thinks yupyup...poor guy. i almost feel bad cause he's too easy to catch lol ^^

On April 08 2015 00:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eden is probably mafia just because of his complete lack of energy.

Dnu who else I'd vote.

On April 07 2015 23:44 Damdred wrote:
Hi palmar I'm kind of sick but being on top of your list makes me have good feelings.

As such I actually think Eden should be in the last bracket and RS might be better served marginally lower.

Eden is actually probably second on my list as scum after GB. Bad entrance and hasn't been memorable or tried to do much at all at this point. Which is anti-town for Eden at best. I also think its highly unlikely that RS and Eden would be scum together though for bad reasons

On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.

On April 08 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
It is also odd that Palmar has no opinion on Eden.

On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him.

On April 08 2015 04:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Can you please play the game and at least give me what you have got? I don't mind the trolling but just trolling is horrible

On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:


It is.

Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia.

On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:

Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit.

On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:

It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations.

Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ.

On April 08 2015 10:30 yamato77 wrote:

I think both of you are scum

On April 08 2015 11:06 yamato77 wrote:

Palmar did plenty

On April 08 2015 09:59 ritoky wrote:
don't lynch the following people without a really good reason:
yamato77
damdred
holyflare
koshi

that is all

On April 12 2015 01:42 sicklucker wrote:
acualy I liked something at the end of edens filter. Can we kill yamato first

On April 12 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:


Sorry I can't hear your shitty questions over my magnificent case

On April 12 2015 04:59 Vivax wrote:


Unrelated to his filter which I didn't reread today: Scum yamato who is unable to be wrong as scum means Eden is likely mafia yes.

On April 12 2015 05:09 Vivax wrote:
You're really smug to call me scum, ignore what I write, post zero reasons for anything, then ask me to do research about Eden after I decided who to lynch.

You've also been incredibly annoying all game long so I don't want to cooperate with you.

On April 09 2015 11:57 DreadReturn wrote:
If killing me clears enough air, then go ahead. I'm not going to take it personally - I understand that the problems with my play.

Just agree with it, and let's talk fresh about Vivax (regardless of what I flip, discussing him now is good). If anything you want me to say lots of stuff about lots of people.

Final List:
yamato - I agreed with most of his full effort read and his list lined up well with mine.
Koshi - same as above. I think this is the style I would like to emulate, but I went too far with the silence. My bad.

Palmar - I always have an (un)healthy starting suspicion for strong players, so it's hard to put him higher.
Damdred - Reasonable posts. I wish he would be a bit more vocal but he is sick or something.
rsoultin - I'm not sure how to explain it ... but something like carefree? Very relaxed demeanor,
Eden - also read resoultin town early and caught the hidden post.
ritoky - has shown he is attentive to thread despite pictures etc.


Glowingbear (?) - Based on his first half D1 play, I'd still say town. D2 total absence and Palmar's insistence makes me iffy.


Onegu - nondescript. I can't really say much.
ObiWan - same here.
HolyFlare - fixated on getting me to reveal my identity ... ? Gives Vivax a pass because of potential, so is ignoring the bulk of my points against him.


Vivax - It's the best I've got. Maybe it's harder to see from your perspectives because I'm so scummy, or maybe my reads are in fact not that good this game.

Good luck town. I'll field whatever questions you have here or post game. (I still might not reveal who I am then for personal reasons, but we can reserve that discussion for then).

On April 10 2015 12:33 rsoultin wrote:
Meh wifi probs cant read all the filters in time so posting temp check now

oneg/hf/koshi - top towns
rit/damdy/gb -townish
palmar/ows/eden/yamato - nullish/scumleans/need to reread
vivax - scum...lynch, shoot, drown ^^

On April 10 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
Have a good night hopefully the vigi is someone sensible

Vivax best shot
Damdred probably good shot
Palmar mafia
Obi probably mafia

Someone in that list is wrong but being bad so don't really care. If you wanna yolo you can yolo gb. Shooting me will solve nothing other than mafia palmar/obi etc agenda and as you just saw palmar is ready for the field day my flip will bring.

Damdred is stuck in the past. Made a big post on him about his reads not fluidly updating. Don't know if afking in part due to being mafia or not but feels off and not cool damdy.

Obi's only scum read in this entire game is apparently me (and gb lolololol yeh can see that from his 0 reasons) and he flat out refuses to explain why about me to anyone. If I die make him explain his read. If it involves anything in Palmar's case lynch him with absolute fire because he scum read me before Palmar's case and those events even happened.

Vivax absolutely a waste of space and when threatened with vig shot trolled and his only scum read is... Ritoky....? Get the fuck outta here.

Palmar is pushing false information. Really just read his case and then the events of the deadline. He says I'm just pushing my interpretation of events but that's not true. He selectively pulled out quotes from my filter to fit his mafia narrative case and left out all the quotes where i perfectly explained myself. Check out his you scum read gb and then town read him for no reason thing. I had so many reasons that I repeated many times. Check it plz plz plz.


Never ever follow yamato. Pick someone with a sensible list like rsoul. She has a good game sense and jk should absolutely be on her tonight. Her list was one of the ones I agreed the most on.

Don't lynch rsoul/ritoky/probablyonegu/koshi was completely absent today but townyish d1 so don't let him fall off but otherwise keep him here

Be absolutely wary of yamato since he is pushing me for palmars case but he was the one commandeering the dr lynch and forcing people onto it too. He said he'd try hard as any alignment and last time he tried he got town read all d1 by people but was mafia.


Eden super underwhelming but not really sure if mafia at all. Seems pretty carefree to be mafia at the moment. Gb list post was super mediocre and contained barely any relevant game info but it's hard to hate it when all the scummy ppl pushed him and it kinda aligned with my/rsoul list.

On April 12 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:
so if he can't be wrong as scum im town

come on guys.

also i have work from 6pm (2.5 hrs) to deadline, but if i have to unveil my godmode defense i will sneak into the bathroom at 1hr to deadline to give it.

On April 12 2015 05:47 Palmar wrote:

Okay.

Give me my lynch. I'll shut the fuck up and be a good townie after that. You can even lynch me regardless of what he flips.

On April 12 2015 07:35 Vivax wrote:


I think Koshi falls into the category.

Scumreads me, Eden, Yamato.
Randomly forgets yamato scumread in between.
When I push yamato he shows up and asks me why not Eden.
I tell him to push him instead of asking me.
Ends up voting me together with his 2 scumreads, no cases just randomly spreading paranoia on me, longest filter etc.

On April 12 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote:


Wait.

What kind of faint push on palmar is this?
Do you want to have palmar lynched or not?

On April 13 2015 15:39 Palmar wrote:
Yeah I shot Eden

On April 13 2015 11:57 Damdred wrote:
Hi everyone I just got home from my shift of doom and I wanted to put some thoughts into the thread in case I die by some wifom kill tonight. As such here we go. Day one we had this vote as our final vote, will put hard confirmed by flips.lynches into this first one.

Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,

Next blue claims and i'm coloring myself green because confirmed to myself and I think my GB push and lynching mafia is pretty good ^_-. Just a couple of thoughts before I go to the day 2 vote count to see some things.

I don't believe that the DR wagon can be entirely town based, I think at least one mafia was on that way. Like really sure that mafia was either in a position to afk or jumped off at some point after the wagon gained enough votes for them to shenanigans onto someone else without much consequence I'll come back to that thought and go into a bit more detail near the end.

Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

Once again confirmed people colored in and I colored myself green.

To start off my thoughts. Its interesting to me that Ritoky voted on Yamato like he did. The choices were (obi and myself were on Yamato at the time) help Palmar push GB when he wasn't in the thread, vote Vivax with Yamato (who ritoky was previously town reading) or vote Yamato with Vivax, Obi and Damdred.

He says he really likes Palmars case the best out of all of this but decides to push Yamato ahead, as I mentioned before Ritoky had a hard hard town read on Yamato previously in D1 but decides to vote him d2 even though he has little to no interaction with him and even though he loves the GB case presented by Palmar and knows his town read Damdred would jump on a GB lynch he doesn't go that way onto confirmed mafia and instead he jumps onto Yamato pushing him ahead of Vivax 4-3 or 4-3-1 ahead of Vivax and GB at this point. He then goes back to afk land.

I think this heavily implies that Ritoky who would normally go against the grain in this situation and vote his favorite case instead of one that he thinks just isn't bad is scum in this scenario. I don't see any other way after re-reading how the voting went down.

I know its been pointed out before but the way Ritoky went about the vote D1 is strange as well, (and feeds into my above point) he was so strongly town reading yamato at that point he was following him wherever he went even if it meant not jumping onto GB who he admittedly wanted to at that point in time. Has to be Ritoky here I think based on association and his weird progression on voting Yamato.

I also think if Ritoky is mafia it clears Yamato a bit since Ritoky hammered him basically and there was little to no push to move the vote off Yamato. This is a bit weaker at this point especially since he keeps fading in and out of afk land but I think it makes me not want to lynch him if Ritoky flips scum.

Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

Now we get to the bit of a logical leap about what happened with the votes.

There are only three partners that I think Ritoky/GB can potentially have with how the vote went down.

The most likely due to how the votes spontaneously moved about would be Vivax. When myself and Obi moved from Yamato to GB at that point in time we effectively hammered Vivax with that move, even though votes are tied it switches from 4-3-1 (Yamato, Vivax, GB) to 3-3-2 (Vivax, GB, Yamato) if we hadn't of had GB start pushing obi at that point Eden wouldn't of moved to obi more than likely and Vivax would of been lynched.

What is the motivation though to flip a lynch from town Vivax to town Obi if you lynch yourself? I don't think that there is motivation in doing this if you can't guarantee your own survival if both are town, I just don't see it. The only scenario that makes sense to me is that Vivax is a more powerful/important scum team member and GB was trying to save the RB at that junction of the game. It makes the most sense with how the vote went.

The second partner that makes sense is Eden with the ferocity that he tried to hit the votes off of GB and onto Obi. It could very well be Eden was doing that, but I have a hard time that scum Eden would hard align himself with partner GB like that.

The third scenario is that Obi bussed GB into the ground and GB was trying to give him as much cred as possible to take into the end game for the hard carry. This is slightly more likely than 2 especially with how fake the push from GB felt and how contrived it felt also. But I also don't want to give this much thought until we see what Ritoky/Vivax flip at this point without new information.

Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

the green on Eden probably is the lightest and obi is probably the most tinfoil at this moment as a last resort that I don't really believe when he could of hammered Yamato over scum partner GB.

On April 13 2015 11:57 Damdred wrote:
The most likely due to how the votes spontaneously moved about would be Vivax. When myself and Obi moved from Yamato to GB at that point in time we effectively hammered Vivax with that move, even though votes are tied it switches from 4-3-1 (Yamato, Vivax, GB) to 3-3-2 (Vivax, GB, Yamato) if we hadn't of had GB start pushing obi at that point Eden wouldn't of moved to obi more than likely and Vivax would of been lynched.

What is the motivation though to flip a lynch from town Vivax to town Obi if you lynch yourself? I don't think that there is motivation in doing this if you can't guarantee your own survival if both are town, I just don't see it. The only scenario that makes sense to me is that Vivax is a more powerful/important scum team member and GB was trying to save the RB at that junction of the game. It makes the most sense with how the vote went.

The second partner that makes sense is Eden with the ferocity that he tried to hit the votes off of GB and onto Obi. It could very well be Eden was doing that, but I have a hard time that scum Eden would hard align himself with partner GB like that.

The third scenario is that Obi bussed GB into the ground and GB was trying to give him as much cred as possible to take into the end game for the hard carry. This is slightly more likely than 2 especially with how fake the push from GB felt and how contrived it felt also. But I also don't want to give this much thought until we see what Ritoky/Vivax flip at this point without new information.

On April 13 2015 22:39 Damdred wrote:
Traffic was killer this morning sadly.

Ok Koshi, can you tell me why you like an obi scum more than Vivax/Yamato at this point?

On April 13 2015 23:38 Vivax wrote:


That was one of the reasons, it wasn't THE reason. EVEN AFTER YOU SAID THAT THE EXACT DAY I TOLD YOU ALL OTHER REASONS, AND NOW YOU SAY IT AGAIN??????

On April 14 2015 00:56 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, I'm open to the idea that you've confirmation biased your way to scumreading me so poorly and I'm willing to bury the hatchet.

I think it's Koshi/Ritoky.

Both of them had strong townreads on me D1 yet both managed to "scumread" me on D2 and Ritoky even voted for me and left it there. Plus, both have had marked dropoffs in activity/productivity since D1, and both seem to be playing the same sort of sideline style game where they tend to sheep thread sentiment onto lynches instead of pushing their own reads with any strength.

It's almost never Palmar/Obi/Damdred. All three of them scumread GB when it wasn't convenient for mafia to do so and/or were the target of GB's ridiculous mafia tunnel. I've thought Palmar was town since early D1 and there's no reason for me to re-evaluate that read now with his un-cc'd vig claim. Obi I've had as legitimately possible mafia but the way the lynch went down yesterday basically confirms him as town, I don't really see an alternate world where he's actually mafia and they made some stupid play instead of just lynching me. Damdred was meh-ish on D1 but really picked it up D2 from what I could tell and was instrumental in getting the GB lynch through. If I doubt any of the three going forward it's Damdred, though.

I'll do some more digging on Koshi/Ritoky today in between fulfilling some of my other obligations.

This post in particular is strange. Why would ritoky feel the need to make a post like this when I'm one of his top town reads?

On April 14 2015 03:27 yamato77 wrote:

Why does he waffle back and forth like that about who to lynch? I don't understand why he'd feel the need to do so.

Also, it's not a case, it's my impression of his filter. The point is that I have mixed feelings. It's not clear-cut.

On April 14 2015 03:41 yamato77 wrote:

I'm only not attacking Vivax because it would be wholly unproductive to continue to point out how poorly he has formed his read of me.

I have yet to even read your filter Koshi. I'm going in blank.

On April 14 2015 03:45 yamato77 wrote:

I don't generally have "conversation chains"

Especially not with people I actually consider possible mafia.