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Ritoky is by definition town in my current world.
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Eden, would you agree that your read on me d1 based on the damdred/rayn thing has affected your read of me throughout the entire game?
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The basis is Artanis' flip on Vivax on EoN1 from scum to town. Which is completely unjustified. I believe this is mafia setting up for a night town flip.
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On March 25 2015 13:24 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:23 Superbia wrote:
Eden, would you agree that your read on me d1 based on the damdred/rayn thing has affected your read of me throughout the entire game? No, considering I had you in my town pile between then and my more recent scumreading. What are you trying to say here?
I think it is absolutely weird that Artanis hard scum reads Toad during the first half of the day, but when the counter claim war comes, there is no sign of this scum read whatsoever. There seems to be no doubt in Artanis his mind. He talks about doubt regarding them both being vigi, but seems to do nothing to evaluate this, nor does he seem interested in HF's plan of letting the vigis both shoot targets we pick. I don't think he ever explained why he disagreed with HF's plan.
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On March 25 2015 13:29 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:25 Superbia wrote:
The basis is Artanis' flip on Vivax on EoN1 from scum to town. Which is completely unjustified. I believe this is mafia setting up for a night town flip. See, I don't think it's completely unjustified. Vivax's play was a bit lackluster leading up to his claim, but after the Bill Murray lynch, Vivax looked extremely townie. Maybe part of it is I sheeped Artanis throughout his thinking here. And if he's scum, I look really, really stupid.
He was confident enough in his scum read on Vivax to vote a possible town PR. How the hell does this change before Vivax's night actions go through. Like he's literally calling him town before flips, and then when Vivax claims being roleblocked, he hard reads him town based on filter-length. ????
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On March 25 2015 13:31 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 13:24 Trfel wrote:
Do note that I think Artanis always uses fluid reads. And he's perfectly happy to base his strongest reads off of a single event (such as switching Toadesstern from scum to guaranteed town based on counterclaiming vigilante). I can see this from town!Artanis[Xp]. Superbia, thoughts on this? If you don't believe it, I think can support it easily.
Yeah, that's fine, and I'm never going to be able to hard-call him scum over this, but I did not see him display a grain of real doubt during the EoD1, which is something I suspect from a townie. This point moves over to EoN1, where Artanis all of a sudden starts town reading Vivax. You can't have one and the other. Either Artanis had doubt on Vivax EoD1, which he did not show whatsoever, or he's hard-reading Vivax scum (he was), in which case he has no reason to flip on Vivax EoN1! Especially after Vivax claims roleblock! Doesn't that fit a mafia!Viviax world!?
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Like it's 5:30, I'm going to be around for a few more minutes and then peace out. I'm looking forward to seeing Artanis' response but to be honest, I don't think I'm going to change my mind.
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Good night. Check out the sick case boys! Sheep it and lynch mafia PR (very likely).
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On March 26 2015 21:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 20:58 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2015 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I like Eden's list. I kinda wanna lynch Superbia first and hope he's scum just to force Vivax to shut up, though he'd probably find some theory in which it's a bus. Lol I find it hilarious how much I annoy you. Why don't you help me lynching Slam? Asking to use the orb on him can be said for any other guy who's in the crossfire and won't get lynched today, which is why Damdred's argument was weird. I'm starting to suspect you're suspecting me just to annoy me at this point. I'm okay with a Slamfish lynch too but I think I can actually make a good case on Superbia. I went through the first bit of his filter on the toilet and it looks pretty scummy.
So, Artanis, the rest of the time where you've been scumreading me was without having checked out my filter?
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Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out).
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Like I am willing to die if Artanis flips town.
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On March 26 2015 22:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:34 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 21:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 20:58 Vivax wrote:On March 26 2015 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I like Eden's list. I kinda wanna lynch Superbia first and hope he's scum just to force Vivax to shut up, though he'd probably find some theory in which it's a bus. Lol I find it hilarious how much I annoy you. Why don't you help me lynching Slam? Asking to use the orb on him can be said for any other guy who's in the crossfire and won't get lynched today, which is why Damdred's argument was weird. I'm starting to suspect you're suspecting me just to annoy me at this point. I'm okay with a Slamfish lynch too but I think I can actually make a good case on Superbia. I went through the first bit of his filter on the toilet and it looks pretty scummy. So, Artanis, the rest of the time where you've been scumreading me was without having checked out my filter? I haven't been scumreading you besides on PoE.
So what have you been doing this game? How are you so active yet you have not been analyzing the alignment of people deemed scummy?
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On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. Show nested quote +I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. Show nested quote +You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia.
How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip?
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Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched.
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On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either.
Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them.
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On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum.
What's the parallel between this game and my scum games?
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On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here.
I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game.
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On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE.
Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels.
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On March 26 2015 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:48 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:44 Superbia wrote:
Are you willing to get lynched if I flip town? Like no fucking bullshit. I am perfectly willing to flip if it means you're going to get 100% lynched. Why the fuck would I agree to that? I don't know the alignments for sure. I could be wrong. You're trying to create some kind of false dichotomy here. I'm pretty confident you're the sleeper scum in this game. Good argumentation.
I have already given my argumentation.
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On March 26 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 22:52 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I find it interesting how you happen to come back RIGHT as a case on you gets dropped. And you're not replying to it either. Your case is shit because I'm town. They're rehashed arguments from Eden which have eaten up my time the entire game responding to them. Good rebuttal. On March 26 2015 22:46 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:43 Superbia wrote:On March 26 2015 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 26 2015 22:36 Superbia wrote:
Your reads haven't been "fluid". They've been chaotic. Same thing different word. I've demonstrated that your "reads" do not influence your progression whatsoever. You move top scum to hard town in a split second. Town trait. Scum is actually concerned with these things, town isn't. You are town-read your previous top scum after he does exactly what you predicted he would do if he were scum (partial thanks to FF for pointing that out). Vivax actually shot Slam though rather than doing his own thing, and he's proven himself to be town by doing different things than what I predicted by being super active even after the flip which I wouldn't have imagined him to do as mafia. How do you know this for sure? Especially at that point? Why do you reference his filter length of all things when you were town reading him? Why do you only start mentioning this post-flip? Because I checked his scum filters and they were at most 13 pages by D5. He's posted an immense amount more at that time as scum than he ever did in any of his previous games. I remember Vivax telling everyone how bad his scumgames were a while back. After the night I went into his games and saw that indeed he never posts this much as scum. What's the parallel between this game and my scum games? Combing through your filter was work enough already. I didn't have anything specific I wanted to meta you for this game, so I haven't checked them. With everyone I've meta'd, I've had a specific reason to look into their meta. With Vivax, it was because he posted a lot and I remember how he's mentioned having trouble posting as scum, so I wanted to verify that. With Onegu, it was because I was looking for something specific in that he scumread someone universally regarded as town. With you, it was simply PoE. Bullshit. One of your arguments is that I have bussed in the past, indicating that you have some sort of realization of what my meta is. Draw parallels. Which was my one game with you in Imperial. Stop telling me how to do my job and respond to the entire post if you can.
I bussed in Imperial? Hardly. I threw some scum on Ritoky (iirc), my team mate. That's about it. You can't half-ass this shit.
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