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Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky.
Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1:
Scenario 1: Rayn is Town
Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia
In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2.
In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP.
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On March 25 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Game is looking really good for scum right now. There are enough mislynches.
Who are the mislynches?
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On March 25 2015 11:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 11:06 Superbia wrote:
Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky.
Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1:
Scenario 1: Rayn is Town
Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia
In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2.
In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. Sound logic right here guys.
Please tell me this is not sarcastic. x:
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On March 25 2015 11:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 11:11 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 11:07 Vivax wrote:On March 25 2015 11:06 Superbia wrote:
Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky.
Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1:
Scenario 1: Rayn is Town
Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia
In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2.
In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. Sound logic right here guys. Please tell me this is not sarcastic. x: It's not dude. You are on a good way to join #teamVivax and leave behind the false prophet that is Artanis.
I'm never lynching you. Never, never, never.
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Breshke where you at? I want to know your opinion on me atm.
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Damd what's your mafia team atm?
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On March 25 2015 12:17 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 11:06 Superbia wrote:
Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky.
Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1:
Scenario 1: Rayn is Town
Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia
In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2.
In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. This post is like watching a porn scene that cuts off halfway through the blowjob
Wat. Why.
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Guess who I'm looking at right now for the lynch.
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First person to guess correctly gets to know my alignment!
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On March 25 2015 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 07:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also you're forgetting that the JK probably stopped 1KP, which would've made things 3KP otherwise. A RB on a Vivax shooting Slam could easily result in a Slam mislynch. Town vigis either shoot scum or bad townies and either result can be detrimental to scum because it could eliminate mislynches. [...] The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote:
Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? it's not this huh? seems weak but that's prolly not what you're getting at
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On March 25 2015 12:26 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 12:23 Superbia wrote:On March 25 2015 12:17 Eden1892 wrote:On March 25 2015 11:06 Superbia wrote:
Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky.
Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1:
Scenario 1: Rayn is Town
Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia
In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2.
In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. This post is like watching a porn scene that cuts off halfway through the blowjob Wat. Why. There's no climax. You don't release any conclusions you have, you just keep them pent up. I know this kinda thing gives you a headache but it's really hard to get into it when you just keep it to yourself like that
It's like, a soft different check between the two.
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Ask me who I want to lynch today, and prepare to get mad.
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On March 25 2015 12:30 Eden1892 wrote:uh why lol
All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point).
He hard defends LS:
On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 22:54 Vivax wrote:On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town: On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet. I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won  Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you. I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably) With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it. Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town? from JoaT: On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me. Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different? Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned. I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other? Oh god this post is so mafia Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays.
He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null!
Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read.
We are left with this list:
On March 21 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Votes as I see them:
Vivax (5): Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern
LightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, FecalFeast, Vivax, Onegu
sicklucker (3): Superbia, Alakaslam, Breshke
Artanis[Xp] (2): VisceraEyes, Eden1892
raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, rsoultin
Toadesstern (2): Palmar, raynpelikoneet
Eden1892 (1): ExO
Not Voting (1): Trfel
Only having 1.7 scumread is problematic. Was hoping this'd help more.
With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever.
Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real:
On March 21 2015 05:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think Superbia might possibly be right. Host WIFOM time.
I know HtS likes her vigis because she hates lurkers. It's therefore very likely there's at least 1 vigi in the setup. Since the playercount wasn't fixed until the end, I find it plausible that the end balance was made by adding an additional vigi.
I'm not sure if I find that more plausible than that Vivax simply tried to fakeclaim and failed though. Toad definitely town for the CC, I just don't ever see mafia making that play when it isn't necessary.
But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum.
Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!?
My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save.
I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet.
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Comments, please. And read the filter alongside with what I just wrote. I think I'm on to the game winning scum team here. No joke.
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Which quotes are out of context?
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I'm putting my vote where my thoughts are. It is important that I know which quotes may be out of context though. I pretty much did all my filterdiving during the night (right now) and I try to double check shit but I would hate to have misinterpreted some things.
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Comments on my Artanis case, please. Everything else is secondary right now.
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On March 25 2015 13:13 Trfel wrote:The pre-claimfest quotes (before his wagon analysis). I mean, Artanis didn't do anything that I can't see from a town perspective. Rsoultin and I combined made all of the same errors (and many, many more). The main problem is, what would make Artanis post this much? The Palmar flip sheds some light on this, I suppose.
Like yeah, that's what made me pay attention to his filter. Like town can be wrong on people, but it's important to look at shit post-flip, and he was mafia siding pretty hard d1.
Also he has posted a lot, but I really feel like he has contributed very little, especially given his filter length. Just feels like he wants to look townie.
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I agree that hard defending LS doesn't directly imply mafia, and that scum-reading toad who's pushing on Palmar doesn't imply a soft-defense of Palmar, but I'm arguing that it could. And I'm arguing that it looks bad. That's not the core of my case though, it's just the salt and the pepper. The core of my case is the Vivax/Toad Counter Claim event, and the flip-floppiness of Artanis' hard scum reads:
1. Artanis calls toad (hard) mafia.
2. Counterclaim wars between Vivax and Toad.
3. Artanis is now convinced Vivax is hard mafia.
4. During night Vivax is all of a sudden townie to Artanis.
Like that's very, very roughly my argument.
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