EPTXXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) - Page 20
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I am obviously saying you did this thing with JAT here in this game... So yes, you might be mafia with him. Anyways i have a doctor's appointment soon so i'll dig up more on this and other stuff after i am back. | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:59 Palmar wrote: Because the reason he replaced out is that people were scumreading him. Doing that as mafia should be bannable. It's basically a strategical replacement for in-game benefits. Hell this is why I don't use replacements. Doing that as either alignment is cheating tbh. | ||
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What i am going to do now is to go through everyone and everything since i am on a sick leave from work for at least two days. I am also going to distract dumb shit like "VT claim" or "this much posts" towntells because obviously some of those tells are not true. I am not mafia and there are two people who are being called town for something that's not townie (like everyone is being called town for some tells and i can't trust all of them, so i am just going to ignore all of it). I also found Sentinel's music which has been proved to be good for scumhunting. I recommend it.  | ||
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There is not much to be said, and this is where my vote is and will remain as we speak. I think Onegu overplayed his townread on me. I think the post where he "explains" the read proves it. Like i think the only smart thing Onegu has said in this game is how Eden reacted to Palmas vig claim. That does not really mean much if Eden is town though, especially when Onegu seems to be reading Palmar "null scummish" lol. I also obviously liked his vote on JAT, but idk.. i kinda feel like he has to do that if he is mafia. This is a dude who trusts my reads so much when i fakeclaim mason with mafia to lynch another mafia (when Onegu is in fact my mason partner) he counter-fakeclaims tracker when that said mafia does it. So yeah, i think his vote is not alignment indicative at all in the end. purplehaze: There are some things that seriously bother me with prplhz in this game. First is his vote on me D1. I went to read his games in the following games: Carnival Cruise Mafia - Mafia Roulette Mini Mafia - Town Default Suspicions Mafia - Town World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II - Town Cell Mini Mafia - Town TL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Town What's charasteristic for prplhz in his (at least latest) town games is that when he has a scumread he makes a case, votes for them, then questions his read (after they answer) and people about his read. In Carnival he was just, idk, all over the place with his cases, i mean he dropped his cases for no apparent reason and moved on to another case. In this game, in contrast to his town games he does this: - vote rayn - make a case on JAT - question people who vote for JAT (srsly, it looks like he thinks the people who vote for JAT (f.ex. Eden) are more scummy than JAT) - talks about everything but why JAT is mafia - never moves his vote - ends up with this post around JAT's claim: On March 12 2015 06:50 prplhz wrote: just seems like everybody mysteriously converged on jat today I don't think prplhz had ever any intention to lynch JAT while scumreading him. His play does not add up to what i am used to see from him. Like yes, i know i at least used to be really terrible in reading prplhz because he just posts so little. But i do not hee how his play on D1 follows any logic at all because he does many things that are the opposite i would expect him to do if he is town. He doesn't follow up on his suspicions (like in Titanic), which he usually ALWAYS does as town. He just parks his vote on me for "well marv and rsoultin are voting for him" without even reconsidering his vote after reading my explanation towards marv's case. That is not townish for prplhz. Even if we discount the weird acting towards JAT scumread his acting towards reading me scum is scummy. He is not a guy who just says "yolo let's sheep marv", or at least is unwilling to confront people when new evidence comes up. On day 2 what sticks out to me the most is prplhz's read progression on Damdred. First he tries to analyse the night kill (understandable -- as everyone was pretty much doing that). He reaches to a conclusion: On March 13 2015 18:02 prplhz wrote: i'm pretty sure this is an important post to understanding rso night kill town reads: koshi LS rayn eden me townish/meh: marv rso scum reads: palmar ritoky onegu damdred i think this means that there's reason to look more into damdred which i will try to do But when you go further to read what prplhz actually does regarding the bolded part, it's this: On March 15 2015 03:21 prplhz wrote: i don't know if they're all town but i think palmar town because he's shennanie and having too much fun. 3 fake claims and sexy list and whatever. it just looks like town palmar. going with my guts here even though his read on me was bad and he didn't investigate even though he should have. koshi and rayn pushing jat yesterday. i give koshi most of the credit for getting jat lynched but maybe i'm wrong here. it just looked like marv was getting rayn lynched and then koshi steps in and goes for jat. rayn helped, i still can't shake his weird early game but i faintly recall that sometimes i don't get his early game (just read some old game where he pushed some weird plan early on and i scumread him for it, it's kind of the same here, i don't understand where the hell he's going and it seems useless to me). both towns, mostly koshi. marv just seems town too. i like most of the things he's said especially pretty much confirming me, partly by revealing some town tell (the whiny bitch tell). ls town. i was a little worried about eden but his anger and his hastily aborted push on me yesterday seems townie. why would a scum push me and then after a single retort stop pushing me? i just think scum are more deliberate in their actions. damdred is really putting in some effort. this just leaves ritoky and onegu. i don't know if they're both scum (might very well be wrong on something up there) but i think there's certainly scum in between them. Did prplhz go investigate more into Damdred? Does it look like it? Anyone? Because for me it sure as hell it does not. Also see the red part. "One of ritoky / Onegu is definitely mafia". What happens when ritoky flips and D3 begins: On March 16 2015 20:25 prplhz wrote: i don't know palmar is town because dumb trolling marv is town because huge filter rayn town because fake claim to lynch scum koshi because pushed jat onegu town because claimed vt those are very simplistic reasons but lets just close our eyes and assume they're all true. there are reasons these people could be mafia but my eyes are CLOSED right now. that leaves damdred/FF + eden. lol i just think damdred and eden look town but everybody looks town. Like this is information that has been thread since Onegu made his FIRST post. Suddenly NOW it becomes a towntell for prplhz? I just can't see how any of these read progressions can come from a townie. Especially when in multiple games he refuses to even consider lynching me because "rayn is valuable to town and finds mafia, if he doesn't, then we can lynch him". Yes i know very well this is also what he said in Titanic game aswell but it does not matter, it does matter he thinks so AS TOWN (see for example Cell game where he instantly claims he wants my/HF cells alive later on in the game). I don't see how any of his voting makes any sense given the content he has provided in thread. Eden: This is from his D1 reads. I don't agree with it at all. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now I don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable. Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT. I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow" into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now". ... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy. Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion "ritoky is town"?!?!?! ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. I still don't like his reaction to Palmar's vigi claim. Maybe i am wrong on this and it does not mean anything but i have seen manyu times scum say something to give out they have extra information they should not. Two examples: - that game where i claimed masons with SL's scumbuddy. After the reaction i got i was like "yeah these two guys are definitely mafia together" but than i was retarded and dumped it because it sounded too easy. - one game where i claimed mafia had tried to see if i was their traitor (in the game if mafia incorrectly guesses who the traitor is that townie will know mafia has tried to guess them), i got "lol they did not guess you" -> ezpz traitor read, dumb town never lynched him obviously... I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town. At some point on D2 he goes from hardcore scumreading Damdred and Onegu to this: On March 15 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote: ^^^^ i am serious about palmarv team though. or at least one part of it: ##VOTE: Palmar this guy isn't figuring the game out and hardclaimed cop with an inno on ray claiming to believe ray was godfather. like lol pls. and i think damdred is incorrect to say that palmar has been trolling a lot; he has been trollish to an extent but it's actually a lot less pervasive than i remember from his town games. i'm also not sure that him not pushing lynches super-hard indicates town, because he tends to lock in on a target VERY decisively as town (see Hammertime Mafia for a recent example). i'm not sure who the partner would be. marv comes to mind, i don't feel the same level of investment that i've come to expect from town!marv, but i also feel like his interaction with jat is uncharacteristic of his mafia game. i think everyone damdred townread before his final 4 is probably town, and mostly for the reasons damdred said, to boot my issue is that i like onegu AND ritoky for town :/ i'm not writing off damdred but he's not my lynch today. maybe another day will help sort this out? but palmar has to go imo I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages. Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things.... idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia.... Here are the people i want to focus on today because i am almost absolutely sure there is two mafia in this group. Onegu is definitely the scummiest purely based on the lack of content and i want to murder him with fire. purplehaze looks scummier than Eden, but i would like both of these two to explain why they have done the stuff i outlined here. One of them has to be town. And there has to be a reasonable explanation for that person. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:31 Palmar wrote: Like just to make you feel uncomfortable about it, I really want to kill onegu too. The problem here is that I feel like that would be conceding to the "simple" solution, which I guess isn't a bad thing. It just feels wrong to do it. And even then, who is his partner? FF? Eden? I don't know, that's what i am trying to figure out. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:38 marvellosity wrote: completely eliminating Palmar, rayn? no. | ||
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But i won't lynch outside the pool i presented today and tomorrow. I don't think i am bad enough to not find at least one mafia in those three. If all those people are town i am terrible at this game and should be ashamed of myself. | ||
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like let's be honest here. if you decide i should be lynched it will happen regardless of your affiliation, because people are fucking sheeps who have no brain. so i don't really care. but you're dumb if you lynch me, i'll just say that. | ||
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i mean, you're not like (previous) Koshi who just decides i am scum at some point and ruins the game for me because he is incapable of re-evaluating. | ||
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We are not lynching Palmar at least at this point. | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:57 Koshi wrote: Sure. I like how he says you are mafia and then when we are talking about you he is investigating how Damdred became more town. Really productive. I actually meant the "phase" where he tried to get marv play when marv looked demotivated. Given that i am town and marv's vote was on me that is a really townie thing to do. Obviously it's not clear for you but for me it is. If you want to pursue Palmar feel free to. | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: did anybody ever give a plausible reason for why ray is still alive? you can't be fucking serious? | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:09 Eden1892 wrote: i've played in games before where there were a bunch of relatively good people in the game, where town had to fight pretty hard for the successful lynches it got, and where everyone felt like everyone else was being townie and we just defaulted to lynching people who hadn't been putting forth as much work as everyone else. they invariably flipped town and we either lost or almost lost because of it - the game was hard to solve because someone was playing a really baller mafia game and we either couldn't find them or just barely could basically i'm not convinced a town with a bunch of tlmafia's biggest names would be so thoroughly bamboozled by somebody basically not playing. this isn't the magical unicorn game where all the people in the townie in-group are town and we just lynch the people outside of it and win i understand that just saying that isn't helpful which is why i'm trying to go through people that either i ignored/had as town (prplhz) or that i feel have suspicious circumstances surrounding them (ray being alive blablabla) This is not really a game-related argument regarding anyone's affiliation. If a "lurker" is scummy them playing with "big names" does not make them town. "big names" seeming town does not make them scum. i don't even know what you are trying to say. last game we demolished mafia because they were bad, and townies were good. | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: ray, about where was it argued conclusively why you survived n1? if you can remember an approximate pg number i'll look for it myself. even better if you know who said it how the fuck would i know why i am alive? maybe because everyone and their mother is scumreading me. maybe because mafia didn't believe my claim. how am i supposed to know that? | ||
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maybe because it gives you an opportunity to make these stupid arguments. | ||
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