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On March 05 2015 23:42 your mom wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=yamato77&view=all are you.. Clarity? yes it would make sense. | ||
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He wanted too badly to be the first one to post because the first one to post is always confirmed town. In addition to that he used too many n's in his post. It feels really forced and doesn't make any sense. Why type more than you have to? ##vote Holyflare | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:09 Soren333 wrote: So I got a flood control warning from posting this. Am I going to have to deal with this throughout the entire game when I have something to say.... Unfortunately most likely yes.  New accounts must have bla bla something until they can post as much as they want to in a certain timeframe. | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:11 Holyflare wrote: still town  still town but mafia. | ||
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I mean the posts from "interesting" to the post where you say you have no idea what Holyflare's alignment is? | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:24 GlowingBear wrote: Ok Soren is town Because voting me like that means nothing in the first 5 minutes of the game. It actually made me think you were possibly a cute Mafia trying to get town cred for being aggressive what?? | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:08 captain fail wrote: He saw the same thing with sorrens post I did. -.- | ||
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Why does Soren say that as mafia? | ||
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He asks if Soren voted for GB for his psot that was GB's only post at that time?!?!?! seems very stronk.. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:21 captain fail wrote: For tormented yes he didn't post fluff dived right in. So in your opinion it's not fluff to ask if a person voted for another person for "[that] post alone" when [that] post is the only post the other person has made in the game at that time? okay.. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:28 captain fail wrote: It's strong for tormented and his following posts continue the thought process. It's somewhat a meta read or familiarity with his Scum game granted. But it is string for him Okay so to the follow up of his. He says basically the same thing you said 17 minutes ago. How is this "very townie mindmeld" instead of "let's sheep captain fail with different words"? Assuming you are town is Tormented so bad he could not possibly try to gain your trust by saying the same thing you do, and this absolutely makes him town? Especially considering i asked him to elaborate more onto his post and he just never answered anything. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:31 GlowingBear wrote: I thought Soren is town because he feels like newbie town. I don't think newbie scum would be this vocal already at the beginning of the game. I also believe that he is putting clear statements in the thread which aren't actually looking fabricated, but rather fluid yes. It makes every sense for him to -- as town -- call holyflare's post interesting, then when asked about it has no conclusion because that is what the "interesting" means. If he did have a conclusion, he would have said "i think it's scummy" or "i think it's townie" in the first place. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:36 GlowingBear wrote: It doesn't makes sense as Mafia either. :/ I said it makes sense as town, not as mafia. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:42 Soren333 wrote: Or do you guys treat day 1 lynching differently here in TL? yes we actually try to find mafia. | ||
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By taking the game semi-seriously and then someone says something that interests other people and then people talk about it which leads to other things and then we talk about them. Like we have been talking about you. At some point you can tell who is presenting genuine thoughts and who is not. Like, do you believe captain fail REALLY believes Tormented is town because "mindmeld", when Tormented made a same post he did after 17 minutes? Do you think it is a genuine thought that the most reasonable explanation is that Tormented is in fact town for it? Why does he not consider the possibility of Tormented wanting to lick his ass by "making similar points he does"? For me it is a HUUUGE red mark when someone says exactly what i have said before instead of "yeah i agree with rayn". Because that is actually contributing without bringing anything new to the table. | ||
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On March 06 2015 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: This is bullshit It's a standard opening. You can simply call it null indicative. It makes no sense to like HF's entrance claiming town and don't like my entrance saying I'm Mafia. Like, the game isn't that simple. Can you keep your head together? He didn't like it. | ||
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On March 06 2015 10:07 Soren333 wrote: I like this. So what are your thoughts on the tormented situation? You mean on my read on Tormented? I don't know yet. I think captain fail is mafia though. In addition to what i said he should not be reading Holyflare (or me) town for any reason at this point in my opinion. | ||
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anyways sleepy time. | ||
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what you are saying makes a lot of sense. | ||
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There is no way he is Xatalos so it's Clarity or Vivax, most likely Clarity. | ||
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Too lazy to check at the moment but if you can prove him just trolling around is indicative of being mafia rather than town by meta then you might have a point. I'd rather wait and see what he says when he actually says something and when does that happen. | ||
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Do you have anything to say about it? | ||
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He is a smurf. Therefore he knows Holyflare. While Holyflare is a really good player as town he is most known for his even better mafia play. I just cannot believe he could somehow have a town read on HF at the time he did. | ||
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On March 06 2015 17:38 yamato77 wrote: I can somewhat agree with this I'm never comfortable townreading good scum players unless I've played >10 games with them And it is even more than that, are you ever comfortable in reading Holyflare town until like D3 regardless of what he does and if he lynches mafia or not? Because i am not. | ||
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On March 06 2015 17:42 your mom wrote: i really want you to expand on that read. and if you think im kush you dont know him well. lol that was hilarious | ||
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On March 06 2015 17:48 Holyflare wrote: nah I haven't, there's some scenarios here: a) Either GB thinks he is a newbie town in which case he wouldn't be mad at a newbie town for having a read like that at all, especially as he coaches and stuff in newbie games and I'm sure would be much more approachable. b) GB thinks he is mafia in which case he wouldn't be yelling about the read being bad and would 100% be following up by calling him mafia. Since you were talking about thread atmosphere, the thread was absolutely dead at that point so he just left because he didn't need to do anything. You're telling me town GB thought he saw a newbie with a bad read and yelled at him for no reason and then left after that without talking about it? leaving is not alignment indicative at all here.... | ||
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On March 06 2015 15:22 your mom wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote GB On March 06 2015 15:40 your mom wrote: I'm not fully sold that GB is mafia like you are HF, how much wiggle room do you give yourself to reconsider, or are you not going to consider anyone else for today. care to elaborate? | ||
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Like if i was mafia and you did that to me it would tell me you are more easily swayed and i would play more comfortably (which usually makes mafia play better). | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:05 your mom wrote: Attention: Viscera Eyes Can you walk me through what you found relevant, cause when I look at the same page I just see yamato and MM entering the game, and HF posting this: So smells like bs when you say that page was worthy of being analyzed, unless you can prove otherwise. I actually want to hear VE's answer to this question aswell. | ||
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lwvsam. am. | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:14 your mom wrote: It's the best vote I can place at the moment, I'm not uncomfortable with the reasons for the scumread but I'm not 100 % sold that GB has to flip scum. And what mafia does is up to them. Disagree on the second part cause in a world where GB is mafia, they know that they can try to sway me. And I want mafia to be active and try that. meh.. Maybe it's just differing opinion then. In my opinion it's much harder to even try to sway someone who in your (mafia) opinion is sold on you being mafia, especially if there are multiple people who feel the same way. A lot of people just give up at that point as scum, or at least don't care about that much any more because as scum you (imo at least should) analyze what are your / your teammate's chances of surviving and what are the routes you can take to make the surviving happen. If you feel like there is no way out it is more likely you go overboard which makes you more scummy. That is also why i voted for GlowingBear. Yes of course there are some holes in HolyFlare's case, there is very rarely going to be a 100% foolproof case on someone being mafia, but even pointing out there are holes (if you think it's possible the dude is scum) is not wise in my opinion. I can actually say this now because the "how GlowingBear will react" is irrelevant as yamato already made a contradicting argument to Holyflare's case. Assuming Holyflare is town, GB knows there is a way out sooo.. the initial (next) reaction means not that much purely reactionwise (as yamato is pretty damn sure to be town). | ||
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i'll explain that post later. | ||
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The trolling phase is over already. | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:17 Holyflare wrote: your mum is like 1000% town by the way, legit read from cell! yes i agree with this, he is town. | ||
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If you are, please start playing then. If you are not you can go hang. | ||
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I'd assume around here is timezonewise your "prime time" for playing mafia. You also like to interact with people in real time rather than reading the thread and then post conclusions/questions. You also like to interact with me. My problem here with your trolling is that timezonewise NOW is your chance to do that, with me. I can't really understand why would you decide not to do that as town here... | ||
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Except for Really Small mafia and the game where someone vigged you on N1 (probably TL Mafia LXI), in both of those games you were mafia. | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:34 Mocsta wrote: Well, like is aid before. i didnt get a confirmation. I browsed the early game, everyone was talking shit. my carefactor went down. I dont particularly have an interest to re-read it either. If that makes me mafia, so be it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but everytime i have promised to do that as mafia, i don't. dude the game is like 15 pages.... you could have done the reading in the timespan you have trolled right here right now. | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:43 your mom wrote: tbh im wondering why rayn didn't vote you yet Because i don't know what his alignment is. I think it's certainly possible he is just being an ass towards me because it's me who is asking him to play. | ||
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On March 06 2015 19:49 Mocsta wrote: yes we all know that "back to school" is your reference to be measured by. yeah maybe you should just come back tomorrow. | ||
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I wanna hear VE's opinion first. | ||
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On March 06 2015 21:38 KelsierSC wrote: My reads on VE and CF are both well developed , maybe look at the content of them or ask a question if there is something you don't understand. A part of your case on VE is that he called my case good and read me town for it, you are calling my case aswell so why would VE be MAFIA for reading me town there? The rest of your case on VE is basically because you do not know why he posts what he does. Hell you even say that in your case multiple times... | ||
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On March 06 2015 21:39 KelsierSC wrote: To add on to my read on captain fail. The impression I got reading the thread is that the most forceful push here is HF pushing on GB so how CF got a read of hf "sitting back" makes absolutely no sense. cpt fail had that read before HF's push..... are you reading the thread backwards like Palmar sometimes does? | ||
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On March 06 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: Apparently MM1 is dripping with mafia. ok would be good to get an explanation of it. But then he switches to GB for no reason that I can see, and again I believe that VE can not think the case made by HF is actually good. And then a switch onto GB without an explanation, I don't think he can believe the case from HF is good. This also feels like an overjustification of a switch. Like "LOOK I SWITCHED WHICH IS WHAT MAFIA WOULDN'T DO, PAY ATTENTION" it's like he is trying to get ahead of someone calling him scummy. The green parts here are reasonable. The red parts are not given the green parts, why would you ever post the green parts in this post if you actually have a reasonable explanation for those actions? Like what i read from your post here is "you are wondering" why VE does some stuff, but then you come to a conclusion right after. You can't do the both, you either do not know or you do have a conclusion. | ||
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the reason i think this post is mafia motivated is not because of what i said in my last post (or rather what i quoted from Kelsier). The quoted part is okay, the opening for that part is not, because it is "this is why i think VE is mafia" -- as the tells he represent are null (while worth asking about) and in my opinion it is quite clear Kelsier implies what do those points he represent mean regarding VE's alignment (despite what he says in the end). | ||
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... in my opinion it is quite clear Kelsier implies what do those points he represent mean regarding VE's alignment (despite what he says in the end). --> this is supposed to mean imo how the post is worded implies he doesn't just get why VE says the stuff he does despite him "reaching a conclusion in the end". | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:08 KelsierSC wrote: My case in ve has nothing to do with you. I'm saying he doesn't actually believe the case on Gb . I made that clear I'm sure when i called him mafia Well i am sorry but you just said your case on VE has something to do with me. If you think VE does not believe the case on GB you should give some concrete reasoning that makes you think so because "he just switched his vote for no reasoning" in fact suggests that he DOES believe in the case... | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:15 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh he shouldn't have read you town for the reason he did. How does this make sense given these are the facts: - VE townreads me - You townread me - VE thinks my case is good - You think my case is good how? | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:59 Mocsta wrote: i dont think rayn emulates that as scum??? I don't know tbh. You'd have to check since i don't remember much of my scumgames lately. I basically have not given any fucks about the game when i have been mafia on TL in the past year. Except for that last game where i was modkilled on N1. Don't remember the game name. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471815-russia-today-mini-mafia Probably the best scumgame i have ever played (D1). | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:12 Mocsta wrote: like this isnt even a battle of "how to play mafia" on different forums. this is mafia bullshitting at its finest. its just not plausible to even consider the notion that HF is town... unless soren is town. ..not to even mention every single other forum is WAYYYY more "this guy is mafia therefore this guy is also mafia nad this guy is town" sorta stuff. Like i haven't seen any other forum (except for VS) who does not use those reasoning as a BASIS of most of the reads they have especially on D1. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:15 captain fail wrote: I actually disagree with that. HF at town could tell people in early game don't do X to give Y more time, it doesn't tie their alignments together at all. Your trying to split hairs You are right it doesn't, but you read Holyflare town and that was one of your reasons. | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey Kelsier do you think i am town? | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:22 captain fail wrote: I can read someone as town for an action that they do or a combination of things. People can scum defend and be still town read to how they approach things, they could defend town. soren is null made a few bad posts hes a newb here what I see as bad can be newb. One of the reasons you read Holyflare town for was "I like your tone you told people to leave soren alone for a moment instead of s allowing us to pile on him." If you do not think Soren is town your read on Holyflare does not make any sense because if they are both mafia he would be protecting his scumbuddy from being attacked, which should be a concern for you. How much mafia have you played? How many games approx? | ||
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he is mafia. | ||
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One of Kelsier's points on VE being scum is "VE is trying to pocket rayn". It is literally impossible he thinks VE is pocketing me in case he doesn't even think i am town. | ||
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On March 06 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: [...] Firstly he made this post I don't think this is a good enough reason to confirm rayn as town. Like all it does is explain why a read is bad, mafia rayn could easily do this and it feels like a soft reason to kiss rayn's ass. [...] This is what Kelsier says about VE. It is half the case why he thinks VE is mafia. Now the green part is impossible to be true unless Kelsier at this point thinks i am town. It just doesn't make any sense to say that unless he thinks i am town. | ||
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Would you. Mocsta, have used that wording if you thought we are mafia together? | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:39 Mocsta wrote: hmmm i didnt pick up on that actually. good point problem now is. i dont think captain and kelsier are both scum. i know mafia can bus, but i dont see the value. im also trying to factor that kelsier english phrssing is poor/odd Maybe cpt fail is just bad or smth. I don't know and we can figure it out later. I am actually really sure Kelsier is mafia because the train of thought makes absolutely no sense. Hell he even explains other stuff from multiple perspectives but this stuff he doesn't, yet his conclusion is nowhere near what he said in the first place as i pointed out. | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:45 KelsierSC wrote: I call ve mafia I gave reasons why he is Me saying "I dont know why he does this" is equivalent to "no town would do this" meaning he isn't town. My conclusions perfectly follow my logic Except you DID say why he does this. | ||
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Which means i have to be town for you otherwise the whole reasoning you presented is invalid... rofl | ||
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On March 06 2015 23:53 KelsierSC wrote: He could be finding a cheap reason to call a mafia buddy town. sure it could but that was NOT your conclusion. | ||
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Otherwise you know what to do. | ||
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I'm gonna bet that wont be the case when i switch to pendolino in an hour. They come from.... surprise Italy. Nothing works. The train wont probably even move if it was -10 celsius. Hooray for italian engineering. | ||
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There were things to talk about. You even promoted my case... | ||
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But what? | ||
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If at least four native english speakers who are not kelsier agree, then i rest my case. I will also call you all bad inyour native language in case kelsier is mafia. | ||
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On March 07 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: he didn't say you were mafia at all? No, i am saying he implies i am town for him -- then says i am null later. Read my latest pists. I explain it there. | ||
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I dont understand kelsiers comment in explaining why ve is mafia. Like one of the reasons why he read ve mafia for is because ve was "kissing my ass". Not once does he mention the scum-scum interaction possibility. Now see his other reads. They are different. They do not have only one conclusion. This one has, then he backs off from it. Thre is no way kelsir thinks i am mafia with what he said. No way. Koshi guarantee. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:19 Soren333 wrote: He offered a general game theory, that doesn't necessitate townieness. Why does your stance differ from the last time you commented on this? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:29 IAmRobik wrote: Rayn, if you're town, can you solve this game for me please. I am in way over my head. Yess just claim town in a way or another and give me 20 more hours. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does your stance differ from the last time you commented on this? | ||
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We have good stuff here. If we don't lynch mafia on d1 you can lynch me on d2. I am confident. Have fun kids. And VE. | ||
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There is pretty much no chance gb is scum here.. | ||
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I don't know who the third one would be as other people look more or less town. Maybe tormented? idk, thankfully i don't have to care about it today. | ||
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Regardless of what he gives as reasoning i don't see noob/experienced doing that given he is new to this site. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:39 your mom wrote: HF is one of the guys I almost never town or scumread at D1. If he's town he will likely get killed in the first two nights, if he's still alive after that then you should start considering him as possible mafia. I found his mafia play to be fairly similar to his town play, there's a tell I use to fully decide what he is which I'm holding back cause it's too early. Whatever happens I'm not even considering him for lynch on D1. lol agreed 100%. I tend to just say he is town and hope he gets killed so i don't have to worry about him. That being said i still do not belive kelsier wrote what he did as town. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Soren has a pretty big towntell in voting for gb at the start of the game. Regardless of what he gives as reasoning i don't see noob/experienced doing that given he is new to this site. I mean as mafia. Fuck phomneposting... | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:47 your mom wrote: The last sentence I don't understand. Most people so far have adapted to what happened in the thread and switch their votes accordingly, just Soren was the first to vote and never change his opinion when stuff was going on. I don't see why I should townread him for being the first guy in the voting thread when that's the only thing he has done in there. As per his narrative he stated he has no clue how d1's plays out here so i don't think that's scummy. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:50 your mom wrote: As per his narrative this isn't his first game of mafia? He said specifically he's new to the site, and every game of mafia has a D1. Yes and in his world (yes this is alsotrue for like every site other than TL) D1is RVS and no info can be gathered no possibility of lynching scum. | ||
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On March 08 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote: Which means votes on day1 aren't alignment indicative in his POV so you saying it is a town tell is absurd I am saying it's far more likely he is town because as mafia you don't wanna get lynched. If he was mafia i would think he would try to adapt to the playstyle here to please people -- to not get lynched. Like everyone knows that is a basic of playing mafia as scum. You try to say thing that people see townie, right? My interpretation of his play is he has no clue what to do and he is not trying to fake anything. Therefore town. | ||
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I think it's more likely that i am right. I think i am right on kelsier too. I don't understand why mafia is not piling up on him if he is town. I don't think mocsta is mafia. I dont even remember who the other dude voting for him is/was but i was and am townreading him too. | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:14 Mocsta wrote: Agreed He did it yesterday when u asked me to look into glowing bear Incorrect. | ||
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I have tried that twice before after doing something really stupid. Every time i do it i get scumread/lynched for it -- and only for it. So fuck you, what am supposed to do? People don't like my aggressive playstyle but if i play like this it doesn't work either -- apparently. While the content is same.... | ||
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Read my filter. Youre being fucking annoying right now and i am soon losing my cool because of it. You say stuff thats really fucking dumb. | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote: "I'm reading Mocsta as scum" "I no longer read Mocsta as scum (REASON UNKNOWN)" Just stop being a bitch and help me here? I'm not trying to lynch you, you know? That was when mocsta was not playing. Since he started playing i have agreed on almost all of the things with him. Isn't that fucking obvious why i townread him? Does everything need to be written for you to aknowledge it? | ||
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But not for an hour or so. Soon to have a beer with a friend. | ||
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On March 08 2015 01:46 GlowingBear wrote: Yes, because reading someone town just because he came active and started saying things you agree with is lame. Anyway, if kelsier is not the lynch today, who would you be willing to lynch, Rayn? So i should scumread ppl who agree with me on the people i wanna lynch? Kelsier is the lynch today. I am not going to push anything else. I have already said i also think mm1 is mafia but i am not going to push anything but kelsier. | ||
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Vote kelsier. Next post in in about 1h comment on hf case. Meanwhile vote for kelsier. | ||
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Also yourbinterpretation of holyflares play is not mafia indicative for him. It's null at worst. HF pushes his cases, regardless of if he is wrong or right. Your conclusion of "hf pushing me when i was not here instead of doing anything else" is quite terrible tbh. | ||
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On March 08 2015 03:24 Holyflare wrote: Still not sure who i actually do want to lynch though. Robik still very appealing. You want to lynch kelsier if you are town. | ||
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It does never make holyflare mafia. He did not call yiu scum for not being here. He was trying to convince prople to lynch you. There is a difference between those things. | ||
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Go ask yamato or VE how other forums play mafia on D1. They played the same multi-forum game i did. | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:02 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me what are his reads then. Do you have any idea? Ok, Robik is Mafia. A rehash of what I've being saying for a long time. But what else? Give me another lynch candidate. Tell me if you could lynch Robik or MM1. I don't feel like lynching Kelsier today. Kelsier is the lynch today. I don't want another candidate. So i am not giving you one. You do that if you wanna lynch someone else, thats how the game works. | ||
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On March 08 2015 04:05 your mom wrote: Fact of the matter is that TL had a lot of newcomers from other sides in the last year or two years but all of them at least played the game to a certain degree, which included adapting your scumreads to what was going on in the thread (as town) and interacting with people not only passively. Soren isn't doing any of that and takes a purely passive stance plus all the other things I mention in my case. He claims to be in three other games, well surely not on TL, and if it's on other sites they're probably games with max 2 pages per day given he complains about 10 already. Fine. This is a reasonable argument. Soren please what games are yiu in atm? Links to games please. | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:21 captain fail wrote: GB thinks i'm obviously Damdred a he refers to me as Damdred in almost every post. From past experience GB has a really good read on damdred and knows his meta very well, but has me only as a lower tier lynch for bad play. Now if I was Damdred, that would be really mafia indicative. GB would know this but doesn't push this angle or the meta, usually he would harp on this until it was into the ground. So why am I just an outside shot, when its pretty obvious that Rob is town here even if hes over extended? I think GB has a pretty good shot at being scum here Why are you town if not damdred. Like do you think he is superior to you as town? | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:24 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn say something that convinces me that we shouldn't lynch Robik regardless of his alignment plz. Robert is town. | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:26 captain fail wrote: I think damdred has a pretty obvious town meta where hes involved in everything and says smart things. I am neither at this point and if gb thinks i'm damdred why isn't he voting me since I would be playing to his meta? doesn't even push me So why are you not saying smart things? | ||
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On March 08 2015 08:45 Holyflare wrote: Can check me if you want although I'll probably end up shot. Rayn probs mafia yo. Are you srs? | ||
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We are not even discussing lynching into anyone who voted for kelsier on d1. It is literally impossible both mafia are there and noone can ever make any argument why one of those people would be mafia over anyone not voting for kelsier. | ||
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What kelsier said was an obvious logical mistake. | ||
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Maybe you can't understand it but holyflare should know better. | ||
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On March 08 2015 05:21 captain fail wrote: GB thinks i'm obviously Damdred a he refers to me as Damdred in almost every post. From past experience GB has a really good read on damdred and knows his meta very well, but has me only as a lower tier lynch for bad play. Now if I was Damdred, that would be really mafia indicative. GB would know this but doesn't push this angle or the meta, usually he would harp on this until it was into the ground. So why am I just an outside shot, when its pretty obvious that Rob is town here even if hes over extended? I think GB has a pretty good shot at being scum here He literally calls himself mafia here. Shoot please. Noone says that as town. | ||
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Also you called your play scummy. Noone plays scummy in their mind as town. It is a fact. Therefore you are mafia. | ||
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What Damdred was doing does prove he does not have that. He said it himself. | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:36 Damdred wrote: Btw mafia damdred would probably hammer Rob instead of call him town probably. Or super bus kel I like bussing admittedly But you were not damdred, you were cpt fail... Stop this bullshit and play the game if you want to play. | ||
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Mafia damdred cannot flip his initial heavy townread on torment when his posting hasn't notably changed during d1. Therefore he can't vote for torment on d1 regardless of what happens. Basically they are never mafia together. | ||
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Did you read the read he gave? It was really vague and weakly reasoned. If town decides the read is shit not only he fucks up himself but also torment. Now he does have the read. If he ends up voting for torment at the eod1 he is working against his strong read he had, yes, the read WAS strong enough to make damdred not be able to vote torment on d1. Otherwise he might get himself lynched. | ||
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On March 09 2015 02:37 Holyflare wrote: I didn't antagonise you ve i just told you your conclusion is wrong and you should wait for the guaranteed cop check before you wifom yourself too far (which you are doing and love doing) I don't understand your logic in waiting for the cop check before talking. I find it bs. | ||
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I don't believe your mom to be mafia aswell. If there was abus that would be it but i think there is a pretty low chance of it. After all he's been saying smart stuff and everything. Glowingbear is basically confirmed town for not pushing any mafia agenda. I still believe yamato is town, while inactive for the later parts of d1 he had some really good and logical trains of thoughts. It highly unlike he has those as sxum. I don't see Tormented being mafia either. Like everyone i find scummy is in a way or another pushing him... It's fishy. Like, i think this game is just simple and 2 last mafia are in damd/mm1/hf. | ||
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On March 09 2015 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote: He has a conversation with me - if he's mafia with Kelsier then why doesn't he just lolafk vote for VE when he initially said your case was good? I started poking holes in it and he keeps engaging with me, agreeing with some of my points, etc. Why doesn't he just take the gift-wrapped goodiebag that is your case on me and leave his vote there? This. | ||
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On March 09 2015 04:51 Holyflare wrote: "those people want to kill ppl on the wagon" hf targets damdred/torment "let's kill hf!" You also called at least meand your mom magia at the start of the night. That was one of your FIRST thoughts after flip. It was beyond retarded. | ||
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On March 09 2015 04:57 GlowingBear wrote: They had their godfather being lynched. Why Damdred going against VE and HF going against Tormented? Why splitting their votes? HF could just have sheeped Damdred on VE's meta case No he couldn't. That woyld have looked really bad. It's highly unlike mafia ends up on same wagon especially on d1 in mini games. | ||
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On March 09 2015 05:13 GlowingBear wrote: Would Mafia Tormented NOT come at EOD to vote when his partner is getting lunched? It's too careless. He has posted less than 20times. So i think it's possible. He literally said he trusts hf's judgement but would rather enp up in his own convlusiond. Then he does neither.... | ||
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On March 09 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote: are you dumb, why would you not just cop check me if you're so unsure about me? Because if tormented ends up mafia you are pretty much conf town, if torment flips town and you are scum you have to do something else than push him. Cop checking you is only a copcheck on you. Coochecking damdred and shooting torment it's like 1.5 or even 2 cop checks. | ||
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On March 09 2015 06:04 MysteryMeat1 wrote: However I do agree that most of the mafia are going to be on people that aren't on kelsier, however there's probably one mafia on that wagon. How insightful. Do you know how many mafia there are left in this game? | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:21 Soren333 wrote: Is captain fail and damdred the same person? Yes. He has been cop checked 95% so he is either town or the game is over so no need to bother. | ||
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First of all there is no way mafia intentionally no-killed. It was 8-2 at the start of the night. Anyone with any brain and experience sends in a pre-emptive kill just because if they do not and something goes wrong IRL it is not guaranteed they get a kill at all. No kill gives town one more mislynch considering Torment was quite likely to be shot. You are already one down, another one goes too most likely. Then you what? Give town a free mislynch and a cop check? lol. Torment obviously was not here on N1. That leaves me yamato and Mocsta for other people who were not here, and therefore could be mafia for the no-kill. I am more sure of Mocsta being town on them, while they both voted for mafia (lol) yamato would only be soft-bussing. Mocsta has to know when i am pushing my lynch there is a quite high chance of it getting through. yamato was also one of the Robik voters. Other people who could possibly be mafia are MM1 and Soren. Just because there was a confusion about the deadline and i do not think any other people than those two would hold on to the last minute in case Torment comes back to discuss their kill (srsly, would you wait for Torment if you were mafia with him? right ^^). Out of those two i think Soren is town for the reasons i have outlined. So MM1 is possible scum here. I'd say yamato or MM1 is 90% likely mafia. If they both flip town lynch Mocsta. If the game still does not end lynch Soren. Funny thing is we can do this all because we have 3 mislynches. Just for caution, i'd still check Holyflare haha ^^ | ||
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On March 09 2015 07:58 your mom wrote: Here, one of the reasons Moc is mafia, he doesn't consider Torm for lynch. Plus the awful entrance. Plus he tries really hard to mimic town opinion in order to survive. Am i mafia too because i didn't consider Torment for lynch? Mocsta voted Kelsier with me.... | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:04 Soren333 wrote: For the record. If I was mafia I would be able to make my own decision on who to kill, rather than to wait for torment to come online to discuss. I do not doubt that more than just a little, i just don't have enough experience with you to make a 100% claim. | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:04 GlowingBear wrote: MM1 was active. Only inactives were Yamato and Mocsta. I was saying i could see MM1 trying to wait Torment to come back at the last hour of the phase before making a decision, then the deadline just fucked up on him . | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:07 your mom wrote: Not dumb but possibly frustrated with the "matchmaking". Or then he is just town and has decent reads? | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:08 GlowingBear wrote: However, I'm sure scum night kill was skipped. It was so town would make a list of inactives and lose the game lynching them. You give town one more mislynch but absolutely wins the game. Seems a fair trade to me. If you make a list like this: town: rayn gb ve damdred (unless cop was roleblocked) town wins this game 100% unless the cop dies next night. lol gb, think a bit please. | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:14 Soren333 wrote: I have to say, out of all the games that I've played, this has to be the most impressive one. we are pretty decent mafia players here in TL. | ||
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On March 09 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote: Thank you for not letting me get damdred in a weak but possible trap. Of course he knows that, especially if he is mafia.... Anyways Damdred why did you ask about the roleblock? It was a really dumb question. | ||
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lol @ Holyflare for being scumread for pushing mafia on D1. Well that's probably my fault, at least i think it was my biggest mistake in this game. I basically thought i have a really good case on D1 and didn't give any fucks about Holyflare's case. On N1 i somehow just forgot about HF's case at all lol. Until we started talking and he asked me to read Torment again. Then i realized "fuck, this case is actually really good". Then GB made his plan and it was really good.double lol for GB for making the best plan 2015 then making the absolutely most retarded conclusion from the results. Damdred i am disappoint son. It felt like you didn't even try to play at all until pretty close to N1 end, when you actually started making some decent conclusions. I found your reads on GB and Soren horrendous because their D1 end were really townie, it was really easy to figure out they were town for it. Well next time we hope you have more time to play, also you should stop smurfing lol. ^_^I also would have liked to see how yamato could have competed in case he didn't get busy. I also found his D1 (when he did post) really town. Maybe only the Robik vote for no apparent reason and then just lol'ing on it was a bit meh, but otherwise i found his posting really townie. Also also thanks for the players for not making a retarded scumreads on me for not being onto everyone and everything. I like playing like this very much, it's just that the last couple of times i have tried i get fucking lynched for it regardless of the content i post... This time, <3 you all! | ||
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On March 10 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: yamato always "gets busy" when he is mafia. It's one of those things. Well yeah he just doesn't care too much. One of the reasons i wanted a wagon on him right away on D2 (despite having actual reasons to think he is scum) was that he would probably just concede if there were votes on him from strong players. | ||
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On March 10 2015 01:34 GlowingBear wrote: None taken, I've already admitted I put every kind of thought in the thread, even when I always recommend coachees to take a step back before posting it's just that I have more fun this wayYou probably shouldn't. There is a chance you distract people from solving the game, or the lesser bad outcome is you just get ignored for the rest of the game (which at least i kinda started doing at some point). While yes, in this game it made you obvious town that's not really the most effective way of playing mafia as if everyone played that way the thread would be a total chaos. Also you are not really helping when you don't think things through. Like look at Damdred's read on you. He ignored your (obivous) town tells because the pretty much all the other stuff you posted he considered nonsense. | ||
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Like i could get what he said from towbn perspective in case he is considering possibilities. But one of his reasons was "VE is trying to pocket rayn - that's why VE is mafia". That's what he said in his case. He can't possibly think VE is mafia for pocketing me if he does not think i am town, because then there is no pocketing. | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:25 GlowingBear wrote: The problem is: what if he simply thought you were actually town? It is not the problem because i asked him if he has a town read on me and the answer was "no". Then i voted for him. | ||
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On March 10 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: Why? I love VE dearly but he's not known for relentlessly getting his targets lynched. VE was really fucking townie in this game from the beginning (and has been lately). In fact Kelsier's read on VE should have been the opposite. He was my first strong townread. An easy one. | ||
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On March 06 2015 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does this make sense given these are the facts: - VE townreads me - You townread me - VE thinks my case is good - You think my case is good how? Now he has two things to do. I intentionally didn't speak about the other part ("VE pocketing me" - argument), so: 1) Kelsier says "i don't read you as town" -> he is mafia 2) Kelsier says "while you can be wrong on your read and VE agreeing with you is scummy because [insert some reasons]" -> if the reasons are okay(ish) he is probably town. He took the easy, no-need-to-think-way out. | ||
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The case wasn't a townie case because (1) VE was really obviously town, (2) the pocketing shit and (3) to me it looked like he wasn't really reading VE mafia but still ended up on a "conclusion" (i can't really explain this, but that's how i felt when i read his posts about VE). | ||
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