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I RNG my score | ||
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On February 04 2015 07:12 Eden1892 wrote: how's 30 treating you DISCLAIMER: i don't know how old marv is almost... | ||
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don't be ridiculous, that's what my own pics are for | ||
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and an expert on se(a)men | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:20 Onegu wrote: Does this mean you will flip red on checks? LOL. <3 Onegu | ||
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this is too easy | ||
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goodie | ||
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But I'm a lot more cautious so I'm just going to sit on it. | ||
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i guess that's just the same thing but in a different way | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:57 rsoultin wrote: The night kill whine was the first thing I called you ooooout ooooon. So why do you want to kill Damdred if you think he may be town? Not making sense here, Eden. This is awful. | ||
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i'd love it if history repeated itself apart from the scumbuddy bit :/ | ||
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see first post on this page | ||
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And not in the hilarious way | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:11 Palmar wrote: Did you see my analysis on his "I'm sorry" post in that other game? I didn't summary? | ||
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I am kinda worried that he's not reading the thread though. | ||
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still think rsoultin could be mafia for this | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:17 Eden1892 wrote: ![]() You're gonna have to convince me I'm a better scumhunter than that you could just, like, ya know, engage me on what i'm actually pointing out. play the game, that sort of thing. try it out | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: Really you going to skip Day 1 discussion just because you don't want to play it out? You should know better than that............... so did you read Palmar's filter? | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:28 Damdred wrote: Marv we were best friends but now you are first on my wagon for shame I'm pretty sure that if you are town I will know it by EOD. s'ok baby. | ||
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even though it's your wagon like jat was It is actually my wagon | ||
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if he's town i retract everything. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:33 justanothertownie wrote: I can't be sheeping you if I didn't even conciously see your post. Get rekt. no, it just shows how deeply ingrained your desire to sheep me is get rekt | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:42 Damdred wrote: Palomar is the trendiest town. Eden town Marv is town but don't let him skate by on his miller claim. what does this even mean? if i'm town why would i be skating? ..... | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:46 Damdred wrote: Marv sounds happy so he's town. Bit don't let him be terrible confirmed town when I die and make him do things when, ever, have I needed to be told to do things? I *always* do things when I'm town | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:47 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, marv has a history of being terrible and inactive as town. I get it. you win this one | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:53 Holyflare wrote: yes yes people spend your time searching don't care, don't trust any of your claims anyway ![]() | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:53 Damdred wrote: Palomar, marv, Eden and hf are lynching me I don't think I can get off of it. Lynch LS over sl. you really, really think this Damdred? Like I said earlier, I'm sure you can show me you're town by EoD. Why the pessimism? I'm actually a spectacularly untunnelly player, it's very very rare that I tunnel a townie to death. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:57 Holyflare wrote: then just don't question the reads of 3 other good people lol. heyoooooooo. good post though :p | ||
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On February 04 2015 19:30 Koshi wrote: Having an extra day is always better than shooting. always. who cares? vigis shoot. that's what they do. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:01 Eden1892 wrote: Like this is literally your only actual post explaining why Damdred is mafia, and it's actually not a good one because: - "Probably town" is an ok read to give someone who's been relatively active and attentive d1 even if they play a good mafiasided game - Unless he thinks you're definitely mafia he's going to try to dissuade you from lynching him - His comments on marv made sense when he clarified them (saying don't let marv be lazy) and you ignored the clarification and didn't expound no, they are still atrocious, just they are now explained atrocious. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:22 Eden1892 wrote: Bruh that's still not saying marv is mafia. How tf are you guys reading it that way Literally it's still "don't let marv be lazy confirmed town" yes, and it's not a thing town Damdred would be saying. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:03 Onegu wrote: Rsoultin for now, would sheep marv on Damdred also. see look, you're already a better player than Eden | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote: This is the most horrible post in the entire thread. Firstly LS shows little understanding of what is going on in the thread, First he has a scum read on eden (who is really towny btw) for no reasons at all basically just trolling earlier when it was a play rather than trolling. Now he calls my actions into question that I did earlier but doesn't give any information about them at all, I questioned his scum read but my actions are questionable? This is just a mafia post if I've seen one Look! Yes, Eden is really towny and he's been really towny since the start, yet Damdred was questioning him pointlessly about the miller stuff. Tut. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:48 Onegu wrote: But you can sheep Marvs read on me when he is back, marv always knows when I am scum and when I am town. Actually I got it wrong last time and it made me very, very sad ![]() | ||
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2 Eden1892 - bad but very townie 3 rsoultin - ehhhh, doesn't look great 4 LightningStrike - looks terrible but doesn't necessarily make him mafia 5 Onegu - looks kinda ok? 6 Damdred - looks mafia 7 Palmar - seems townie 8 marvellosity - really nice bottom 9 sicklucker - eh? play mang... 10 batsnacks - i'd guess town, weakly 11 Koshi - shrug 12 Holyflare - looked townie to me so far 13 justanothertownie - absent. worrying | ||
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the problem is, damdred is mafia | ||
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so meh. | ||
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On February 04 2015 20:23 Palmar wrote: okay I'm going to ride this towncred for a while. gonna lynch you if he flips town bro | ||
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damdred is still mafia | ||
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I really should have been Chief Mate | ||
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On February 04 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote: You know that I have no problem being active as scum so I don't get why it worries you. i don't need you to understand. | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:05 rsoultin wrote: marv, on a scale of 1-10 how certain are you on Damdred? and what makes bats town? Dunno. 8? bats - dunno. the auto-quick sheep | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:25 Palmar wrote: I don't agree with whatever anyone other than me said about damdred and it's slightly concerning. you should. | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:09 batsnacks wrote: SL is mafia this game here's why: Post game in Void mafia he went on this cocky spiel about how he doesn't try any harder than he needs to as mafia because he doesn't want to reveal all his skills in one game. This game he starts out saying he won't be contributing and he isn't. Voting Damdred is also consistent with this theory because the people in this game SL considers "strong players" are all voting Damdred and sheeping them is an easy way to stay off their radar. Instead of trying to contribute far out original theories like town SL does he is deferring to people like marv, asking them if things are "weird," as if asking for approval. does that mean you'd rather kill sl than Damdred, dear? | ||
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If I got tunnelled for (supposedly) terrible reasons early d1, my attitude would basically be that there is NO WAY I am getting lynched for this bs, I'm gonna shine town and by eod there is no chance I will be on the block. meeeeh | ||
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On February 04 2015 23:23 Damdred wrote: I'm going to sheep bats since he caught SL in a lie. but yea not lynching me is a good thing here maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the day is yet long and you can go about your business without me poking you for now. | ||
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On February 04 2015 23:41 sicklucker wrote: wait what. Your sheeping freakin batsnacks marv? Are you retarded just trying it out, see how it feels, ya know | ||
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There's literally one line in his filter about Damdred and then nothing else of anything dnu | ||
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try saying what you mean. | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:17 LightningStrike wrote: oh I didn't read the OP it seems like they are aware so it's easy for scum to claim Miller when they get red checked. no it isn't, any miller claim after the start of the game gets auto-lynched | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:21 sicklucker wrote: like Ls why did you claim vt? Remember when I told you never to claim vt? Now that I know you either vt or mafia I actually want you to die more then you can imagine. If I thought there was a 30% chance you were scum I would take those odds so you have to be pretty damn townie now this is a stupid post | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote: Also I am retracting this: Marv, I am hereby allowing you to post again. Thank god. Also handily coincides with me getting back from exercise + eating dinner | ||
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Maybe Breshke could be an ok lynch, but I'd have to actually read his filter and check out some past games which I can't really be bothered to do right now. | ||
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which has absolutely nothing to do with me actually reading and thinking about them, but thanks babe. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:07 justanothertownie wrote: Let's say I made some kind of lazy poe lynch pool list. Would it be asking too much to get an opinion on that? see my list from previously, broadly assume that anyone i'm thinly townreading could actually be mafia, and voila :p | ||
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maybe she just plays in a style that i find really hard to get a grip on. still really dislike her comment to eden at the start of the game | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote: hahaha i bet he even checked yes, i do hope so ![]() | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:57 rsoultin wrote: The night kill whine was the first thing I called you ooooout ooooon. So why do you want to kill Damdred if you think he may be town? Not making sense here, Eden. I just think this is a really dumb, nonsensical question. Eden is obviously entertaining the thought that Damdred may be town, because Damdred quite obviously is not confirmed mafia to him or anyone at that point in the game. Eden's just musing over Damdred's motivations. Eden was obviously not saying "I think Damdred is town so I want to lynch him" like the question makes out. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:21 justanothertownie wrote: Forgot about rsoultin. She is in the Breshke/etc. category too. she's in your list idiot | ||
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I have no idea how you can hard-read LS as mafia for the posts that LS did. LS always plays pretty weird. It's such an over-read? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:22 Eden1892 wrote: oh btw marv if I'm so bad for defending Damdred why did you unvote Damdred?? gottem coach to punish Palmar | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:27 justanothertownie wrote: And more importantly DAMDRED should know he probably could. that's implied yes. damn giving people too much credit again Eden: no he never backed off it, in fact he reinforced it | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:29 Eden1892 wrote: correct, I saw he moved his vote and assumed he backed off of it, but it turns out he just went for SL instead because ??? because i did, i think is the net of it | ||
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which is really really weak. it's especially weak to vote for sl when he just spent like 3 paragraphs explaining to me why LS is definitely mafia it's all wrong | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:34 justanothertownie wrote: I am confused. Wasn't bats talking about SL and is voting Breshke? yeah he moved on | ||
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Damdred's is way, way harder which by default makes it a worse read. One thing I noticed in Breshke's filter is that Breshke actually *defended* LS's use of meta, even though he went on to scumread him not long after. That reads kinda townie to me - as in, he is actually thinking about LS's alignment, he's thinking about that part of his play and doesn't think it was scummy, but thought other parts of it were scummy. If Breshke is mafia, then he would have had to have made the post where he said LS's meta-use wasn't actually scummy and then suddenly decide that he was going to scumread LS. Which is definitely possible, but the alternative town-explanation I just gave I think is possible too. I think the town-explanation for Damdred's read on LS has a much lower probability than what i just described | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:14 Breshke wrote: LS tries to use meta a lot which i believe he said he was going tot ry and stop but correct me if im wrong anyone he really isn't the type of person to go back and look at peoples games. He more uses it from games he has participated in or asking other players about peoples meta. So yes its bad he didn't go look at your town games but i don't think it is scummy I actually meant this one | ||
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is that naughty of me? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:46 Koshi wrote: ahh this. I didn't read this. I don't understand what he is saying. Eden is saying "LS's read on me is bad, because he is misusing meta because he didn't go back to check if i did what i'm doing in my towngames" Breshke says "yes it is bad, but LS uses meta on games that he's played in himself, so although he should have checked the towngames, I don't think it's scummy that he didn't given how LS uses meta" | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:49 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah sorry Koshi I don't see it re: Breshke. I think if everyone goes to Breshke's filter, finds the two posts Koshi quoted, scrolls up a couple more posts and then reads his filter from there to the end, you'll see a very natural, deliberating, evolving read on LS that makes sense from a townie POV yeah this. and then you compare it to Damdred's read... just sooooo certain. Like LS could even be mafia! he could, even though I don't think he is at this point. but even if he is, LS is not "certain mafia" based on what he's posted and Damdred shouldn't be thinking he is | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:01 Holyflare wrote: man i was so on point like an hour into this game rs has just been really really reactive and not digging enough from what i've seen in her town game so i'm happy with these 2 being mafia for now On February 04 2015 09:07 marvellosity wrote: Damdred/rsoultin gg timestamps bro | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:06 Holyflare wrote: it's quite clearly a fear read | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote: yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever 1 trillion percent not an exaggeration | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:28 Damdred wrote: Well i'm home slowly reading through filters, i'm not sure you read all of Linux Marv I was really sure about most of my reads I posted look at my early trfel read that I threw away after awhile. Until I finally settled onto Eden being scum and b uilt my case there, lately I've been generally presenting my reads as very sure even if I change my mind later so I really hate that read of yours. Sorry, no On February 01 2015 00:40 Damdred wrote: I was looking at Trfel filter again and a few things popped up at me that raised a red flag. Really hard disbelief/doubt on robik claim when it happened. This is interesting to me because of the difference in what Trfel did and thread. People were mad at Rob claiming but believed it, brownies generally believe claims due to it adding more information and game being slightly easier even if it's bad. Mafia already knew partial setup, and disbelief to robik claim could be a Scum slip from to much info. Moving on thread presence is really down and lots of excuses about why he's not posting much. Lastly a pretty decent sized list post with no conclusive reads no Scum reads just really noncommittal reads, Trfel is scum Yes you're calling him scum but it's "a few things popped up that raised a red flag" not "kill LS confirmed mafia" | ||
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don't feel that strongly about it but it's a thought | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:28 justanothertownie wrote: But he also usually tries to figure the game out or acts like it is already solved as town. Instead he is just making shit up left and right and posting irrelevant nonsense. yes, this is also true. | ||
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but not tonight, too tired to think | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote: rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead i'm still with you | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:27 Eden1892 wrote: Shit like this is really pissing me off. Why are you just sniping at him from the sidelines? He posts a case that sounds pretty townie and you're content just to dump on him instead of engage it or rethink your position or even just read it, argue why it doesn't matter and move on. You don't seem like you give a shit tbh. yeah, that wasn't great. | ||
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On February 05 2015 13:22 Onegu wrote: If I wasn't sheeping my self on Koshi id totally vote you kinda getting bored with you being useless and throwing your vote away actually. it's pretty shit. | ||
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There is nothing of any substance in his filter at all, it's all just shit. Steaming shit. | ||
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On February 05 2015 20:11 Breshke wrote: What did you get out of it well, you were more interesting as town. Your filters were short as mafia. That game you were my scumbuddy you made quite a bad push on coag as policy, that doesn't seem to be present here. In one of the Student games you were mafia, a lot of your questions were asking people why other people were town, again doesn't seem to be as present here or in your other towngames. Earlier I thought your "i townread eden, palmar, marv but i dunno about damdred" was townie, but if he's your scumbuddy that's actually exactly how you'd treat Damdred, because it's how you treated my wagon in Metal. Generally your "interesting level" seems somewhere in between this game, which is why i'm not sure about you at all | ||
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On February 05 2015 21:06 Breshke wrote: Marv can you pick the towniest person out of this list for me 3 rsoultin 5 Onegu 7 Palmar 10 batsnacks 12 Holyflare 13 justanothertownie not very easily I think Palmar-bats-HF are townier than the other 3, if that's any help | ||
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jat seems like a decent lynch, his play has very little impetus. I kinda wanted to leave it till later but you'll bug me otherwise | ||
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it also feels like jat dodged Damdred's big case on sl a bit, he made a couple of short posts after it saying he was off and going to bed, but I dunno, I always read up to my last post, and I would have commented on it... of course i have absolutely nothing to prove this and he could genuinely just not have read it, it's just an annoying thing. | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:51 Damdred wrote: He is still selectively quoting and interacting with people. yeah thats not a scumtell for him | ||
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in Imperial he didn't answer 95% of questions/stuff directed at him | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:59 Eden1892 wrote: Literally the example I had in mind for [3]. A+ it's annoying even as scum when it actually helps me lol | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:00 Damdred wrote: Yea fuck it just lynch me i'm not going to try when people ignore half of what I said even when they say oh its a good case. This shit is just stupid. holy overreaction batman... | ||
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Eden explained quite nicely the problems with your case, and I also pointed out something that's not true about what you said, and you fly off the handle? scummy. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:04 Damdred wrote: JAT has a much lower chance to flip scum than SL does. You have hard defended SL for pages and haven't even responded to any part of my case or my response to your original reasons why hes scum when instead you directed the thread towards a different vein which is total bullshit. Now Breshke and SL are voting together when bresh said my case was good and I was town. You don't even blink when SL changes from Lets kill Damdred since mafia is trying to push off me onto him and all of a sudden hes super happy lynching JAT. Who by the way is always super try hard as mafia tone is super different from his mafia game. You're forgetting he just came off a long and tedious game of mafia himself | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:08 Damdred wrote: Except he had just came off a long tedious game in heavyweight rolled scum on p2p and rolled the game he's also never this dull and boring and ineffective as town though, is he? | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:29 Palmar wrote: This is also strange, because that's absolutely not the scummiest thing JAT pointed out. Like the fact JAT wants to lynch half the game is probably what is the least scummy about him. that's not what HF said. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:30 LightningStrike wrote: Like when I read your thing on JAT it doesn't seem much of a case it more like here why I think JAT is mafia type of thing . yes that's what a case is. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:33 Palmar wrote: How about you post a damn case Eden, stop sucking. Don't just say why you think he's mafia. MAKE A CASE. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:37 LightningStrike wrote: Mainly it seems like just your thoughts that's it. JAT haven't done much other than a few questions and calling me town. Only the last two sentences really would make JAT mafia because of the fact he didn't really ask much to refine his views and more sheepish I think is the right term here? Anyways that's my thoughts on your thing on JAT. LightningStrike: to the bolded. Does that seem like a town or a mafia thing to you? | ||
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I had to dig it up from the old mafia awards threads. Still one of the things that has made me laugh most in mafia | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:44 LightningStrike wrote: Maybe mafia but I can see it from him being town but I might also be bias I only played with JAT once before and he was town so meh. If you played with jat before, in your words, did he "not do much" in that game? | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:44 Palmar wrote: Warning: Associative Read JAT mafia actually sort of does fit with Damdy mafia ![]() of course it does, i've been thinking that for ages. | ||
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Damdred is mafia and he's in trouble, makes a case on LS, seems really certain on it, everyone calls him out on it, he backs down on it. He makes a case on sicklucker, quite well presented. Fast forwards in time, Eden starts pushing for jat, gains some traction. Damdred comes back to the thread pushing his sicklucker read again, deflecting off the jat push Eden and I make legimitate counterpoints to his read, and Damdred goes completely nuts. Damdred+jat NB: all this is potentially the highest fantasy, but it still fits | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:49 Eden1892 wrote: those tee ball trophies aren't gonna present themselves! actually i have a bunch of chess trophies. i am mega cool. | ||
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She seems happy to push and push the point about Damdred making. Then later she's now ok with the explanation that Damdred gives. Then there's: Like, really? There's so much in the thread already, there's stuff that rsoultin even pushed herself, the stuff from HF, the stuff from Palmar that I explicitly said had merit. How can she be asking this. bleh On February 05 2015 12:31 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, I'm not seeing policy lynching, and there's also this lovely gem from Metal where he was town: ##vote sicklucker this is a really bad vote reason as well Then there's the post that Palmar pointed out, where rsoultin said she could get behind the push on jat, but is gonna leave her vote on sl just because | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:31 Damdred wrote: Anyway, hopefully when I flip scum people will look at what I wrote on people. Definitely | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:09 marvellosity wrote: he's also never this dull and boring and ineffective as town though, is he? Damdy? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote: I have already said what I thought. Nothing you posted makes him mafia, sometimes he just doesn't do much as town through D1. You said the game was really hard and you have waffled about almost half of the game so i'm not sure why lynching into people JAT wasn't town reading is necessarily scummy. His reads are generally boring overall even as town, he says what he has to in as few words as possible as both alignments so kinda null. What you wrote doesn't make him mafia in my eyes. so why don't you engage me when i point out something in your sl stuff isn't a scumtell, and you have a bitch fit at me instead? nothing i said was unfair or aggressive. | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:54 Damdred wrote: Because it is a scum tell, he tries his best as town to be as spastic as possible and answer everything. That's not here that's not in void that's not in Linux. I literally pointed out a counter example. Now what? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:59 sicklucker wrote: If your town can you consider the possibility im looking really town and this makes you look really bad? Because im town and your either wrong or mafia. you're not looking really town, dear. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:04 Palmar wrote: I retract retracting my scumread on Damdred. He is now scum4lyfe in this game for being super hostile and annoying. It does not fit with the personality I had attributed to him. He basically chooses to make stand-offs instead of actually trying to talk people into doing shit. I think Damdred is a nice guy, and on the verge of becoming a truly great TL mafia player (like one of the elite players). This just doesn't fit with anything. It's out of character, it's weird, and it's not productive, and he KNOWS it's not productive. I cannot believe he's town here. i agree with all of it. tbh i'm kinda expecting jat to push me off his lynch and i end up on damdred and i'll be happy about it | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:05 sicklucker wrote: You guys really dont think im town? I kinda think you're town, maybe, but I don't think anyone thinks you are "looking really town" | ||
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2 really confident townreads and one likely townread | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:26 Palmar wrote: who is the other confident town read marv? eden | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:26 justanothertownie wrote: Great. Since when do you lynch people you don't even scumread? i expect you to be more rubbish as mafia than town | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:53 batsnacks wrote: Dudes breshke is mafia. He only talked at the beginning of the game and after two votes accumulated on him quickly. Read his filter it's all passive. starting to think this is possible yes | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:46 Koshi wrote: Imagine if the scumteam is marv/HF/Onegu Who will catch them? Koshi will. then make a read on Onegu. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:21 Onegu wrote: The grounds I claimed VT. Plus you should know me. your play has been disgraceful. step it up onegu. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:17 justanothertownie wrote: Or this. Am I wrong or has Breshke not even mentioned me as a possble scumread before this? But somehow he is confident enough to vote me all of a sudden. I saw it. I even read it. But I couldn't be bothered to post again because I saw nothing wrong with it. you were scumreading damdred at the time, so maybe it would make you rethink your read if you saw nothing wrong with it? ... | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:22 marvellosity wrote: you're still doing nothing, but lurking around to reply to that? ##unvote ##vote: Onegu for realsies. "I should step it up, marv says so" 2 hours later, HF: " we should kill this guy who has done nothing since" 2 MINUTES later onegu responds with that boo. boo i say. | ||
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i think we should lynch onegu i don't mind breshke wagon either | ||
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don't like the voters on him like the other lynches, pretty sure bats is town, i'm town, think hf is town (pushing bresh/onegu respectively) | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:41 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah? But neither Onegu nor Breshke is on the wagon. probably only one is mafia... this is where it gets trickier | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:48 marvellosity wrote: sicklucker put your vote somewhere useful | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:55 Breshke wrote: Im really conflicted about onegu. The way he combated my scum read on LS feels kinda townie like he but i don't like that he only brings it up when other people are talking about me and accepted the explanation from rsoultin when i tried to explain the same thing but he just ignored me. I'm trying to decide between him and SL can you quote the onegu post(s) you aer referring to? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote: Its not bullshit its the truth? Ill bookmark this for the end of the game when you see my flip All I knew was that you were starting an onegu wagon. I didnt know how many you got. Id still much rather kill others. then if it's the truth then you're an even bigger idiot than i had possibly previously imagined. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:06 Onegu wrote: Not true. Plus I will be around until deadline. Will make a real case just for you. why haven't you cared a single bit about finding mafia, onegu? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: Na Jat or someone told me how to read him recently. I think hes town how's that? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:34 Koshi wrote: Can somebody find the thread from ## mafia? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432504-mafia | ||
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not necessarily, but it's believable he would think it is | ||
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1. stuff at the start of the game 2. over-certainty on LS 3. bitchfit at me and Eden 4. super-convinced case on sl ----> sheep on to Onegu/Breshke or whatever it was. The excuse was "i learnt that sometimes you have to sheep" but clearly the cases/pushes around in the thread aren't strong, fleshed out cases which are sheepable. it's totally the wrong time to sheep - disappeared for an hour ##unvote ##vote: damdred | ||
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"he should NOT be doing that as town" moments in the game he really does | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote: I think Koshi is a shocking lynch in this situation tbh I am saying this so I can say "I told you so" if you lynch him and he flips town | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:50 Eden1892 wrote: I really feel like this last part isn't true and it's a big part of why I think Damdred should not be the lynch He spent a lot of time trying to move the game forward by discussing sicklucker and JAT iyam no he pushed sicklucker because he had to make a decent case on someone or he was getting lynched he made the case on sicklucker because everyone said how shit his read on LS was, which he gradually inched down from even though LS didn't change his posting at all defending JAT ez-mode. it's like defending me when i'm town. so ez. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:52 Koshi wrote: So this happens when I don't try hard. Kinda hilarious. why play if you're not going to try. just makes you a knob | ||
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Look how shit Damdred has been around the lynch he HARDPUSHES SICKLUCKER FOR 24 HOURS and then says BUT I WILL SHEEP ON RANDOM OTHER GUYS NP | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:54 marvellosity wrote: told you we were alone Palmar :p Look how shit Damdred has been around the lynch he HARDPUSHES SICKLUCKER FOR 24 HOURS and then says BUT I WILL SHEEP ON RANDOM OTHER GUYS NP ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:54 marvellosity wrote: told you we were alone Palmar :p Look how shit Damdred has been around the lynch he HARDPUSHES SICKLUCKER FOR 24 HOURS and then says BUT I WILL SHEEP ON RANDOM OTHER GUYS NP ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: Do you want me out of game that bad Marv? I was following palmars advice he gave me last game then had to work in here now but SL can be lynched and you aren't motivated to get me lynched so lynch sl Sheeping good cases. Not random votes on people because people are panicking | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote: Didn't see the eod thing. yeah me neither | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:23 Eden1892 wrote: We should have killed Koshi tbh. possibly. or breshke. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:25 Breshke wrote: I always thought damdred was town, yeah im a pussy and not confident in my reads but even at the start of the game i said i didnt feel good voting on him. I also gave reasons as to why i thought SL and Onegu were town. Why am i mafia for having townreads because you never did anything to actually push a mafiaread instead? | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:31 sicklucker wrote: Like i dont actually know why I was mod killed? Anyone know? you posted two minutse after host spammed 10 lines of DO NOT POST | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:33 sicklucker wrote: I posted after by mistake. Literally everyone was posting not after the massive set of warnings | ||
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because breshke didn't vote onegu or damdred :/ | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:53 Holyflare wrote: think you should shoot rso tbh instead of saving it, we'd be in a much better position! people that instantly believe = suspicious i'd be up for this even though objectively it's a terrible play lol | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:58 rsoultin wrote: lol saying he's not the lynch is not the same as saying I believe him. Don't see what scum gains from claiming this early, though. the later he claims, the less believable it gets | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:04 Eden1892 wrote: i think rso is a better lynch but i really don't like marv's "omg u guys im sooooooo bad" spiel rn. step the fuck up son oh just fuck right off. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:35 Koshi wrote: 1 day. 1 day. Why do I get blamed for not doing something 1 day? you've been doing it more and more. you used to just play hard, all the time. now i often see this type of excuse that you're not going to do much. why don't you just... do things all the time? | ||
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Eden is still very town. I think bats is town but I'm not so sure. I thought HF was town but his non-100% read on me makes him look much worse. Breshke? fuck if I know. He really should have just shut the fuck up and shot mafia tonight, shouldn't he? rsoultin - could easily be mafia Koshi - ???? jat - maybe mafia. anyone else i guess i think is townie, LS is left? he can be anything tbh. | ||
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Koshi is there because i actually think he's town but he could just be fooling me. The rest are there because I think they can be mafia | ||
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So what are they going to do? | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote: yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling this is actually pretty awful, Palmar is straight up about this sort of thing regardless of his alignment. so yea | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:31 justanothertownie wrote: I don't care. You have no reason to call me scum and you know it. I expect Eden to be an idiot to some extent but not you. no reason to call you town particularly, which is absolutely a reason to call you mafia | ||
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Here there were multiple townies up for the block, and Palmar came back to the thread and took the time to do and push things, and in a way that didn't look at all bad. Just seems so improbable for him to do it like he did as mafia | ||
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On February 06 2015 21:45 Koshi wrote: Well that is not convincing at all. it should be. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:13 rsoultin wrote: Dude, bresh, just shoot me so town can get its head out of its collective ass and find scum. This is ridiculous. I should be scumread for inactivity and not knowing wth is going on, but instead it's - emoticons - she's not happy enough (3 town flips and the vets all playing like trash, what?) - if she's not scum we've already lost the game Well, gg. Seriously, breshke, I've already been mislynched once cause vets are too arrogant to reconsider their reads. Shoot me so this game can move forward. marv, what are you smoking to think that koshi is town? I just got him mislynched a couple games ago, and he was actually trying to still find scum, not doing this hissy fit thing he's doing this game. meh, work also i have no idea what this has to do with anything at all. terrible appeal to emotion | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:01 Eden1892 wrote: It isn't a bad reason at all. I'll get burned from time to time doing that, but in my experience since Heavyweight I got burned more regularly by not trusting my strong townreads and getting paranoid about them. Why don't any of you clowns make a case against HF instead of just calling me bad for thinking he's town? How hard is that to do? I explicitly said why HF was suspicious. | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:22 Holyflare wrote: Koshi makes up reason to scum read someone for forgetting a name or player but called onegu absolutely scum because he pushed koshi for forgetting - terrible posts around this subject. He tried to push eden who is the towniest mother fucker in this game. Jat is flinging shit everywhere and says my read on rsoul is damning but provides no context and is even scum reading rsoul Rsoul qq and sounds like arse hole misrepresentation | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:13 Eden1892 wrote: That's it marv? That's why you think HF is mafia? Cause he doesn't absolutely have you as town? This is silly. JAT's reasons were a lot better. I ask because if it's anything else then I don't have time to find it before work, I went backward from the most recent post in filter. You more recently had him as your 3rd best suspect though so why are you passing it off like you've already made a case on HF? On February 07 2015 01:26 Holyflare wrote: Like probably 100? now what Eden? | ||
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On February 07 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote: read my filter. or dont. i dont really care right now or just answer the question. tell me in your own words what you think you've pushed this game. | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:34 marvellosity wrote: like you're aware enough of the push i made EOD. so you should know the circumstances of who flipped and know it wasn't scummy how i pushed damdred at the lynch so why are you trying to paint it like it is? tell me. answer this | ||
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my push on damdred was insanely townie because it wasn't deflecting off any mafia wagon and it showed i gave massive shits about who we lynched when i didn't need to show any shits at all if i'm mafia. unlike some people i know who gave no shits at the lynch at all | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:46 rsoultin wrote: can you not? sorry marv but your words aren't gold; I don't agree with you. I don't remember anything that looked like you were very invested in where that lynch was going at all. that just means you haven't read anything around the lynch. you are insanely bad or mafia. i'm going for mafia because i don't think you're insanely bad. | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:48 Eden1892 wrote: No. We kill Koshi first. He should have died d1 if I hadn't been a dumbass at EOD. If you set aside your tendency to see red whenever someone isn't calling you 100% town then I know you'll see that for how shaky rsoultin's filter is, Koshi's is worse. At least she can point to some pushes on sicklucker at different points. Koshi can't point to anything. And I say this with her still firmly in my POE lynch pool, don't get me wrong. But Koshi has to go first. We don't have the luxury of chasing lynches that aren't the highest-% play. ok. | ||
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it's actually quite glorious | ||
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i think that's a task that should be done | ||
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did she bang on about being demoralised and never caught up and tell the thread 100x that she has work and woe is me? | ||
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mainly because i think having 2-shot vigis in a 13 player mini is fucking insane. i'm just ignoring it. | ||
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or at least well enough to make it very difficult for me. | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: it's still the same though 28 pages of actual solving in a thread that's smaller than this, completely different! 29 pages in a 128 page thread, vs 11 whiny pages in 150 pages. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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i retract my massive hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmms | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:40 Holyflare wrote: look you're looking at page numbers and i'm looking at content and there's multiple bits of content thrown out everywhere in her town game and like no real content here and now she's just complaining when all someone asked her to do was asked who she's pushed today?? don't buy it at all yeah there is this. | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:40 Eden1892 wrote: sigh I always find myself asking "Is this the game?" in these situations to be fair that's not an unfair thought. i don't think it's impossible bats is mafia at all. i just don't think he is | ||
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and that could be totally wrong but it's what i think i'm not sure how much i buy that HF didn't "feel" this game and is feeling low on effort. especially after a mafia game. i think it's pretty plausible he did the megatroll thing as a way to get through day 1, because he'd be caught otherwise. dno though really | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:47 rsoultin wrote: I really should just ignore y'all. The last time I was busy in a town game I had a 7-page filter for two days, and was absolute shit day 1. Palmar was trying to get me shot overnight for it. Protoss I'm not playing well right now, I get it. Let me get caught up before burying me, that's all I ask -_- dw, Eden decreed we shall kill koshi and that'll do for me | ||
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i remember him following my vote around -.- | ||
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just sayin. | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:36 rsoultin wrote: Leaning town Marv - solid town before, really indecisive tho Breshke - claim, light townread earlier On February 07 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote: only reason to read marv town imo is his claim ##Vote: rsoultin | ||
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and then say there is no reason to call me town at another you can not say this | ||
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just that i was solid town (and indecisive) and then later there's no reason to call me town other than my claim? no no no no no | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote: If you think that's not saying the same thing, you're duller than I thought. But go ahead and vote for me; I'm still reading. no it clearly isn't it really clearly isn't if you thought it was only my claim that made me town, you would have said so in the first place. | ||
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rsoultin is lying. flat out lying. | ||
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i don't want to explain right now, but i want to do some research on something. | ||
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Koshi called rsoultin "100% town" at some point early, although he explained to me that was in terms of d1 when I prodded him about it. later he became suspicious of rsoultin. on the surface this actually points to a town rsoultin. the thing i want to research is whether koshi is happy giving his partners confident townreads at some stage. | ||
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breshke is town. | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:51 Breshke wrote: I don't think we are in that abd a position though. Technically we still have two town based kills before we go into lylo. And lylo will have to have 2/3 of me you and eden in it. I forgot you have two shots. yeah good call. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:09 Breshke wrote: I honestly think they think there is another blue. Palamr is one of the few people who havnt claimed vt that doesn't explain why they didn't shoot the guy who can shoot again. it's just inconceivably bad play on mafia's part why would mafia try to look for another blue when they literally have a blue in front of them?? | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:13 rsoultin wrote: not without rbing the vig, anyway. but then, if bresh is mafia, why shoot koshi? it doesn't make sense from any direction yeah like i said i'm not pushing on breshke or anything i'm just randomly musing in the thread when there's no resolution to my thoughts because it makes zero sense. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:23 Holyflare wrote: I beat you to it and now you're saying the same thing rofl Medic dodge/maybe have a vig on their side too that hit a save/maybe they have framer and think there's a cop oh yeah. this is all kinda plausible. especially as Palmar is a medic dodge shot really. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:25 Eden1892 wrote: It made a ton of sense if you remember his rationale when he claimed. He said he didn't see himself ever shooting, so he was basically a named VT, so he claimed. The idea to shoot was developed well after he claimed, default assumption was don't shoot because of extra day (WHICH WAS MAFIA KOSHI'S IDEA TOO LOL) then we both said it was a terrible play to shoot but he should shoot anyway i should be conf town to you for that alone :p | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:26 rsoultin wrote: Do mafia shoot mafia? This is a legit question; do you have an instance where scum has made that play, because it seems entirely counterintuitive to me when mafia can just shoot two towns? Vivax has done it, yes | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:28 rsoultin wrote: You did mention a Vivax play but I had no clue what y'all were talking about, lol. You guys keep forgetting not all of us have played that long. well, he shot his scumbuddy. what else do you want me to say :p | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote: i'm pretty sure i'm a closet sub/borderline masochist? better to be an out in the open sub, trust me | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote: I'm waffling on bats. He seems to have been super reluctant (except for saying jat is a justified lynch near EoD) to vote/push/pressure jat all game. I also see jat defending bats a lot. Which makes me think that if jat is scum, bats may either be his partner, or just pocketed town. Some of bats' later posting makes me think the latter, because all of his "this is also a good lynch" stuff from EoD checks out. His read on you, bresh, not so much though I think that may just be me on he not seeing you as terribly scummy Day 1. Bats, can you tell me why breshke being "passive" caused you to switch to him from SL? I know that you mentioned that SL responded well to your vote on him, but what was the tipping point? Brilliant! if Jat is mafia, bats is town or mafia. That's added to my understanding of this game tremendously. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote: There's a possibility that JAT is town i guess and they thought if i wasn't going to no shoot i would shoot him. Also it could be so we would do this type of speculation. Honestly i came close to not shooting but marv some post from marv made me not want to be a punk about it good boy | ||
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On February 07 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote: Because this donkey town gave him the keys to be perpetually townread by making decisive pushes on people even if they don't make sense I know the real reason Palmar was shot now. This guy would have buried batsnacks tomorrow. 100%. #TrustInPalmar batsnacks always, ALWAYS, *always* does his own thing as town. | ||
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Reasons: because. ##Vote: jat need to check into that koshi stuff still but i cba till some point later | ||
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##Vote: Holyflare let's make it interesting NB: all this does is reflect my vast uncertainty. Will probably make an informed decision when I get round to reading Koshi meta and deciding about rsoultin. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote: You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try. All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. ![]() this is the worst post in the thread by far gj | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:09 rsoultin wrote: I think you see my point just fine given your answer. What in marv/palmar/hf's posting ever gave you the impression that you telling them the lynch was "bad" was enough to get them off Damdred? what is this question? ?? is he not supposed to say when he thinks a lynch is bad because other people sound certain? wtf? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote: wow you both are acting dumb today. let me spell it out for you: jat is sitting here waffling between sl and onegu he keeps saying damdred is a bad lynch, damdred is town marv and palmar at the very least are so tunneled there's no way they're gonna move so instead of hammering onegu who has 4 votes with damdred to keep damdred from being lynched, he parks his vote on sl where it's not going to do any good? so even in a world jat where you think sl is more likely scum than onegu, what makes you so sure of that from one minute to the next that you're not going to vote to save your townread? yes this is actually fair. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote: Like you can say I didn't push really hard against an Onegu lynch even though I was more sure on SL which is true to a degree and the reason for this is that I did not have a townread on Onegu but to say I did put damdred in danger by not voting Onegu is simply untrue. well the point originally raised by HF is that you said that HF's point on Onegu was good but then you never shenannied on to him at any stage. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:23 Eden1892 wrote: honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote: you know, the number of times you say things that are untrue is getting annoying if all I did was mock his case then why was I questioning him on one of his points? you are so mafia all you did was question him on random sl/onegu shit, nothnig to do with HF. All you actually did do to his case on HF was mock it On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote: I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote: You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try. All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though. ![]() | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:46 marvellosity wrote: the difference between HF and Jat is that HF had you as his strongest reads for a lot of day 1, but jat never did ^ that is why | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote: I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself. no, HF's push on you was never policy. | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:20 rsoultin wrote: For me it's mostly just how he was behaving at EoD and being pretty forgettable the rest of the game. Sure, he fought back against people scumreading him, but I don't remember him helping trying to solve the game or anything. (And yes, mostly I'm just going off what I've seen many others say in the thread about Jat's town game being infinitely better than this.) Pretty sure I've got him dead to rights on that SL vote though ^^ I find this deeply ironic | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:14 Breshke wrote: But unless my shot gets stopped dont we get 4 kills. So if we think LS is town we can call everyobe else you may have a point cutting through the noise there breshke | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:17 Breshke wrote: Okay nevermind about the LS town thing but i think it is true that we only need one town that isnt me marv or eden game is solved from everyone else PoV unless you think marv is swagging dw, there's no way that jat, HF, Palmar all hard townread me if i'm mafia if you check my mafiagames i'm always under heat ![]() | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:23 Breshke wrote: @marv and eden. Is it better for us to just try find one town here? I actually dont know, the problem with this is that if my shot gets blocked or w/e this doesnt work and we are in a fairly bad spot all we can do is lynch/shoot our best shots at mafia, when it comes down to it | ||
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On February 08 2015 07:40 justanothertownie wrote: What do you mean? HF is obviously afk. He would defend himself as either alignment. yup. | ||
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I'm gonna vote jat. I think HF's end of day was much better on Day 1 than jat's. Like HF was at least pushing/hardpushing stuff while jat just stuck on sicklucker. There's also a quote from jat that I'm gonna go dig up in a minute because it didn't tally up with something. Also with how certain jat apparently is on HF/rsoultin, lynching jat because he could be mafia and absolutely confirming he's coming at it from a townie perspective is amazingly useful. which i understand is a terrible reason but is nonetheless a reason ##unvote ##vote: jat | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote: Like you can say I didn't push really hard against an Onegu lynch even though I was more sure on SL which is true to a degree and the reason for this is that I did not have a townread on Onegu but to say I did put damdred in danger by not voting Onegu is simply untrue. This is the post I am talking about. Specifically the bolded but the whole of it in its entirety "I didn't push hard against an onegu lynch" - that's right, he was (tacitly) supporting/pushing the lynch. jat's stance was *never* that he was *against* the Onegu lynch. I think this might be some sort of slip, given how else he talks about Onegu in the rest of his filter from the end of d1 onwards. I don't think a townie should be arguing "I didn't push against the lynch of a guy i was suspicious of to lynch this guy i was more suspicious of" | ||
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On February 08 2015 20:27 Holyflare wrote: It's quite good but it doesn't make you mafia. You can pretty much make a case on any player with a 20+ page filter for having inconsistencies. it's not quite good because it doesn't even have inconsistencies of any mafia nature in it, it's stupid. you need to remind him how town i am please, this is not a distraction that we need today | ||
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On February 08 2015 20:32 marvellosity wrote: not engaging till you tell eden that i am definitely town | ||
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On February 08 2015 20:29 marvellosity wrote: This is the post I am talking about. Specifically the bolded but the whole of it in its entirety "I didn't push hard against an onegu lynch" - that's right, he was (tacitly) supporting/pushing the lynch. jat's stance was *never* that he was *against* the Onegu lynch. I think this might be some sort of slip, given how else he talks about Onegu in the rest of his filter from the end of d1 onwards. I don't think a townie should be arguing "I didn't push against the lynch of a guy i was suspicious of to lynch this guy i was more suspicious of" Also pretty sure this ^ is a new point | ||
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On February 08 2015 21:03 Holyflare wrote: Right because if you're town and I'm mafia I'm not just going to pocket you and shoot you like I've done every game as mafia. if i'm town and you're mafia, you absolutely need mislynch options | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:39 Breshke wrote: Yeah but talking about it doesnt really help town and just lets mafia see peoples reaction actually it lets town see other people's reactions ^^ | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote: Can you read bats filter and see how many times he talked about JAT this entire game and how many there were from today alone? Can you not do this? :> Or are you actually saying "marv, bats has barely mentioned jat at all, has he?" | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:09 Holyflare wrote: Behaving weird. Not really solving anything and is lazy. Taking credit for the koshi shot when i sat there n1 CONVINCING him about koshi, pushing a weird jat read thing and more interested with me calling him town for eden than conversing about me and jat and then has no real opinion about the case when jat posed a case and i posed a rebuttal and then he says he wants to lynch jat to see if he was sincere even though I'm talking about it not being right. He's very dislocated. never did this. | ||
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no i hadn't read it. my vote is on mafia then. i will return roughly 5-10 minutes before deadline to lecture you jubjubs. And you're all going to go "lol marv never gives up at town" and i will gloat that i would rather break my unlynched streak to punish you morons than to fight this retarded lynch. and you'll go "yeah right" and then i'll flip mafia+ Show Spoiler + town | ||
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DO NOT SAY I DID NOT TELL YOU SO. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:52 Eden1892 wrote: Bruh marv if this lynch is this retarded why not just spend like 10 minutes bitchslapping my case instead of getting the rest of us to waste the next 5 hrs speculating like you're already mafia? i bitchslapped it in the 5 posts after i read it | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:52 marvellosity wrote: HF is 100% mafia, don't tell I didn't tell you so Eden. DO NOT SAY I DID NOT TELL YOU SO. ^ toodles | ||
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Koshi's read on rsoultin's was absolutely ridiculous and that's why i pushed him hard for it. Then all the little niggles came together and made sense and so he was mafia. that's all there was to it. none of the rest of it means anything, other than the fact you think I managed to pocket Palmar for the first time ever miraculously. The simple fact is that anyone voting to lynch me today is awful, because even if you take away my play (which i think has been plenty town and not something I've ever managed to pull off as mafia), there is no mafia player, not me, not HF, not any mafia-gosu, who sees a town-eden, the most obviously townie player when he is town ever, claim miller and go "i know, i'll counterclaim this!". It's a 0% play in all circumstances. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote: Marv do you think that the mafia team is Eden, Breshke? what part of me repeating Holyflare is 100% mafia are you not reading or understanding? | ||
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The rest is stupid conjecture about how I'm uncertain today. So what? The miller thing alone stands as a 100% thing. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: Okay Marv is it Eden HF? no Eden is 100% town | ||
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i accept nothing else | ||
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HF is 100% mafia | ||
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you MUST kill me or HF | ||
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we lynch marv or HF | ||
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I don't know how to explain it. The way he's treated me the whole game. The way he put me in a PoE list but later explained that I was 100% town (his words) the way he later fell off his read of me. HF knows me very very very very well. he knows i cannot play like this as mafia that's why when i came back to the thread earlier I voted HF in the votethread before i even read any of the thread (most of which i haven't read) because him voting for me is a direct scumclaim. Literally just a scumclaim. But only I know it. | ||
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it is absolutely like that. LS is not the lynch. i'd rather you lynched me before LS because even if LS is mafia i think you'll lose to HF anyway. | ||
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nto fucking LS LS is fucking irrelevant lynch him later if you have to | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:19 rsoultin wrote: so this is based on his read on you? that makes me uncomfortable of course it is. HF has played with me loads of times and we have talked about mafia on skype a million times. I've met HF in person for god's sakes. There is a 0% chance HF legitimiately thinks I am mafia this game. 0%. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:19 batsnacks wrote: I'm not trying to trivialize the point you are trying to make, but the jist of it is that HF should know you're town and he doesn't? What about jat's case? Did you read that? doesn't matter, don't care. if it was the one from earlier i probably already commented on it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:20 justanothertownie wrote: We can lynch one and have Breshke shoot the other though. if I live no-one is gonna believe me over HF for some magical reason that he has powers. we don't lynch LS today. LS could easily be terrible town. he's always terrible. he could be mafia. he could be town HF cannot be town. he cannot. | ||
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open my imperial filter and put it next to this one. they are not the same, nto even close. i can't replicate the cares. i can't replicate caring like i do around lynch. i can't replicate the flitting around. i don't councterclaim super-town eden as miller the whole thing is massive bs. jat, you know that HF cannot read me as mafia this game. it's retarded. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:22 batsnacks wrote: Marv say something else about why you're town and HF is scum. no. | ||
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vote for me, or vote for HF don't vote for LS, you god damn fucking pussy. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:24 justanothertownie wrote: You wanted to lynch me over him. if you're town then who am i calling mafia? my vote is on HF. so what if i wanted to lynch you over him? you know i can't play this way as mafia you know i don't fucking coutnerclaim miller there. all the stuff i said is completely true. | ||
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I want to die before LS. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:25 batsnacks wrote: marv why did HF kill palmar? how the fuck do i know? to implicate jat who was waffling like shit on him? | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:26 Breshke wrote: ##Vote LS you are a terrible player. | ||
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but it's OMGUS that makes him mafia there's a massive difference there's a shit-tonne of people voting me rsoultin. Like there were 6 votes on me or something? Only HF's makes him 100% mafia. can't be bothered to sort the rest now | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: If you basically give up and say you will not defend yourself then every vote on you is justified and you won't get any information out of them. HOLYFLARE VOTED ME BEFORE THAT JAT | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:29 Eden1892 wrote: Isn't that kinda the point? marv gave HF a free ticket to vote him with his move and HF did. no??? I voted HF because he voted me before I trolled earlier | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:38 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity On February 09 2015 02:34 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: holyflare his vote came BEFORE | ||
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then i went and saw the reasons and they were appropriately awful. because HF cannot be scumreading me as his #1 scumread int his situation he just can't. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:30 batsnacks wrote: I didn't remember marv claiming miller after eden. That changes my perspective on things... I am going back to bolded: ##unvote ##vote HF Eden claimed miller, I counterclaimed him, Eden lol-voted me, then Eden cleared me at the time for counterclaiming him correctly i might add because it would be fucking stupid as shit for me to cc there | ||
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HF is not a baddie. the rest of you are but HF isn't | ||
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are you telling me it's not true? what situation does any mafia counterclaim Eden's miller claim there? | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:34 justanothertownie wrote: Weren't you the one saying that Eden was obviously making a play? Not that this discussion is leading anywhere. that was once people were questioning eden for why he claimed miller and retracted it it was obvious he was making a play once he retracted his miller claim | ||
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at the time it was just a straight cc | ||
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or it may have just been natural thread evolution where koshi made a mistake and HF pushed him for it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:36 rsoultin wrote: not understand what? I've been arguing that same point, but couldn't figure out why you'd just up and quit. I'm just tired of being fooled by HF every time he plays scum because i thought the case and votes on me were the stupidest things i ever read in mafia. have you not worked out I can be temperemental yet? :p | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote: Why in fuck's name does Koshi try to get me, the universal townread, lynched in that spot when he's under fire? And why does he do such a bad job of it? Koshi is too good to have played that bad while trying to play well. thing to learn about mafia is that mafia make mistakes Eden there's a couple of times where I pushed people and some minutes later thought I really shouldn't have done that. And I never get caught for that kinda shit. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:38 rsoultin wrote: lol you've been pretty chill in most of my dealings with you, actually, but I can't say I know you that well. you know, other than the OMGUS moments xP normally i fly off the handle when i am accused as town i just did it in a weird way this game, admittedly. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:38 rsoultin wrote: lol you've been pretty chill in most of my dealings with you, actually, but I can't say I know you that well. you know, other than the OMGUS moments xP by the way this is very kind of you because i'm pretty sure i've been rudest to you this game. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:42 batsnacks wrote: marv thoughts on HF+breshke team? was there reasons that Breshke was mafia that i haven't read? | ||
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Breshke can not claim and shoot town and then even if we lynched Breshke day 2, town would still have to lynch scum for the next 2 days as well | ||
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Original Message From marvellosity: mafia is HF Breshke, because only HF would hatch that plot. for endgame cred :/ | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:46 batsnacks wrote: If breshke gets lynched, which I think he is without the claim, town still has a ml. Also HF looks great for the stuff he said about koshi n1. No, it was 6-2 today it would have been 5-3 constant mylo if he shot town | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote: Marv i don't think thats possible. Look how soon i claimed vig how could HF hatch that plan so fast. If we were mafia together how would we have known there was going to be three kills you only had to hatch the plan between the modkills and eod | ||
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breshke claimed before modkills? | ||
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because now i have to die | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:07 Eden1892 wrote: $10 says marv was mafia and literally only tried at the end there to end HF's mislynched streak before he dies deal | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:13 Eden1892 wrote: marv's svengali blinded it for just long enough to get the HF ml HF when you read this I'm sorry for being a dumbass. We should have lynched LS and shot you or just not killed you at all everything i said about my own alignment remains true though | ||
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but all my cred is gone to push this | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:03 rsoultin wrote: I was always town? the only difference is it's the weekend lol alright, well gj for making it obvious to me anyway | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:04 justanothertownie wrote: I would love to hear an explanation for this. my vote was on you before i went nuts because i saw HF voted me. essentially he was town and convinced you were mafia and i'd believed him and the things i saw before it all went tits up. I think end of d1 especially you were really weak. | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:06 Breshke wrote: The problem with me shooting LS is that i don't think it gives information as either flip Yeah he is scummy but this is totally within the LS town playbook i think. Also larger chance i dont egt a shot of tonight anyway I think you 100% get your shot | ||
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even though he's trying to finger rsoultin who is now supertown | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:07 justanothertownie wrote: Even if he was convinced that doesn not mean he was right and you know that. He only scumread me because I was going after him. blatantly untrue | ||
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there were plenty of reasons. | ||
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people can read HF's filter for themselves | ||
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i've said enough by now and the miller claim from right at the start will never change whatever i do now. that's a constant. | ||
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it was always hf/jat and that's how it still should be, if one is town, the other mafia | ||
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On February 09 2015 19:05 Eden1892 wrote: No, I mean, you specified those outcomes for a reason. Why does LS flipping godfather put the outcome in doubt? well then it would have to be jat/bats if jat were to be mafia wouldn't it | ||
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and obviously there was no resistance to that "lynch" | ||
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I have a chess match this evening so I'm not going to be around to argue at the opportune moment | ||
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let's just forget for the moment i was totally wrong | ||
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On February 09 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote: Or modkills, for that matter. Straight up strategically it makes more sense to kill the player who probably won't be able to talk himself out of a mislynch if he's town, if we're going to be honest here, because if the shot tonight is town it's MYLO. So I say do that or do your strongest scumread. on the flip side, you could argue to shoot the player who is most likely to talk himself out of a correct lynch | ||
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get realz thx | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:43 Eden1892 wrote: shoot marv final answer instincts OP, this sequence is hella wrong marv already had all the reasons needed to scumread JAT but called shooting him "a yolo play" and suggests killing LS instead when Breshke points out that JAT is confirmed mafia with the info marv already cited, marv says "it certainly looks like [JAT is confirmed mafia]" and then doesn't revise his shot call ...which means his shot call is the same as the person he has as confirmed mafia! these guys are the scumteam shoot marv lynch JAT we win it's funny to me how little understanding you have of how i write my posts and the intentions behind them | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:51 Eden1892 wrote: Meh. Reading that I was fakeclaiming miller wasn't that hard IMO. I keep finding this really unconvincing. Breshke shoot this guy. I want to kill JAT myself. how was it not hard? you said "I claim miller" I said "i'm miller" ...... | ||
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AFTER YOU RETRACTED YOUR MILLER CLAIM where a whole bunch of people didn't understand it was a play so how the fuck was it obvious BEFORE you retracted, right at the start are you fucking insane? | ||
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so if you think i came to the thread, saw your claim, and immediately deduced it was fake then you, sir, are on the craaaazy train. | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:56 batsnacks wrote: Miller cc or not... If your 100% reads are never wrong then how can we let you live? because i had to literally say "100%" there? no | ||
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if i am mafia and i am lynching a townie i do not need to say "100%" and have people go "but your 100% reads are never wrong" | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:59 Eden1892 wrote: bruh hell no. you just said before it "you have to take the shot" on LS and then calling it a full yolo play is obviously devaluing it so Breshke writes it off come the fuck on ok ![]() | ||
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"when I said "I am miller" you knew I was making a play and so you counterclaimed, even though if you knew it was a play there's still a very real risk there's a real miller out there" there is no arguing with that sort of person | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:46 marvellosity wrote: it just means LS is mafia and HF was right all along about jat but all my cred is gone to push this ^^^^^ | ||
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"koshi your read is ridiculous" and "i am sheeping eden on koshi" = "koshi you're mafia for this read, and this townie in the thread is calling you mafia right now so i'm just going to call you mafia in a flowery way by saying i sheep eden" | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:07 batsnacks wrote: You weren't lynching a townie, you were getting lynched . It's not like you weren't under pressure and just 'lynched a townie.' pretty sure given i got a clean sweep i could have used practically any other wording. and the fact i'm town. i mean has someone actually opened Imperial and put that filter next to this one? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:07 Eden1892 wrote: and why do you say "it certainly seems that way" about jat being confirmed mafia if he's 100% mafia to you? it doesn't add up YOU ARE SO STUPID if I'm mafia then I *have to* present those 2 reads as my certain reads i don't fuck about with "it certainly seems that way" it's like your completely incapable of reading tone and intention | ||
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Whether you like how I arrived at the read or not, by the end of the night it's quite clear I wanted to kill Koshi, right? So according to you I angle my top read in a way, as mafia, that gives me the absolute least credit when Koshi flips (which i'd have to know was quite a likely occurrence given the discussions). Like I couldn't have got less credit for this Koshi read if I tried. Mafia don't try to get credit in the way I went about the read, that much is very very clear from the way you attacked me for it | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:20 justanothertownie wrote: You are on a good way with your current behaviour. excellent. so predictable | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:21 Eden1892 wrote: sodium content too low computer says mafia like i said, i can't argue with that kinda logic. you've made 2+2 into 3 by rounding each 2 down to 1.5, and I can't do anything about it | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:23 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, if you confidently call me scum without giving any reasons for it and without even trying to figure me out and this is like your 3rd or 4th really strong read that is wrong this game then I start having trouble believing you are town. i know babe, i know you have to call me mafia here it's ok, keep it up | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:23 justanothertownie wrote: You think I am scum AND there is a mafia vigi? How on earth does that make sense? why not? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote: I don't have to call you anything because I am town. But you are not working with me. You are not trying to solve the game. You have gone into this day with LS/JAT mafia 100% and are not reevaluating this in the slightest. that's because you're mafia mr. "HF/rsoultin 100% so obvious on d2" | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:26 justanothertownie wrote: Mafia vigi + roles that fuck with the cop? Really? I am a greencheck remember? goon+vigi+gf vs cop+vigi+miller yes | ||
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and now you are trying to paint it as scummy that i am certain now if you are town and you were certain then it isn't scummy for me to be certain now, WITH THE ADDITION of an extra flip gg | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:27 Eden1892 wrote: marv desperately trying to make up scum PRs that balance game out with cop/vigi and don't also rule out his miller claim which is literally his only claim to innocence how is it desperate you moron? i just forgot that we don't have a medic | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:27 Eden1892 wrote: marv desperately trying to make up scum PRs that balance game out with cop/vigi and don't also rule out his miller claim which is literally his only claim to innocence open imperial open my filter here compare profit | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: The difference between my certainity and yours is that mine was earlier in the game and not in what is LYLO if Breshke does not shoot mafia today. And also that I had really good reasons to think what I think. I haven't seen your case on me/LS but maybe you can show it to me?! ah sorry, so i'm certain with more information my bad | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote: Show me that information. Do it. i know hf's alignment | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Okay bats fakeclaimed cop and now claims medic. What the hell is going on other than JAT is Mafia? literally the most obvious bus i have ever seen in my life | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:33 justanothertownie wrote: Well, then explain why this is the case if you would prefer that. bats is playing totally to his town meta, pointless claim if mafia rsoultin looked mega town d2 eden town me town breshke vigi town becase triple mylo | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:34 justanothertownie wrote: You are either playing a game that is so bad that I wonder if someone else is using your account or you are mafia. Wtf is this shit?! "omg i am so surprised by how bad you are marv, i have to take this angle as mafia, omg!" | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:35 justanothertownie wrote: Rsoultin did not look "mega town". And I thought bats claim wasn't pointless if I am mafia? bats has been town all game, i've said so all game, as have you i might add | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:37 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, marv. Assume that I am town. Even for just a second. What am I supposed to think about this then? to assume is to make an ass out of u and me | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: Look marv, I am town. If you like it or not and nothing will ever change that. The fact that you aren't even considering the possibility of this is unbelievable to me. At least unbelievable if you are town. that's because you're mafia | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote: Like, to me it looks like it is either LS/rsoultin or LS/you. Take your pick. It is not me. well if it's rso i think she did a great job d2 and i can just blame eden for pushing me off her all game | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote: You are hilarious. Scummy but hilarious. i'm never hilarious when i'm scum! | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:51 LightningStrike wrote: marv if I not mafia who you think is mafia and why? me+jat | ||
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On February 10 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: Yeah bats is getting lynched today or tomorrow for sure. Why do you think JAT was an obvious frame is the logic that because if i was going to shoot i was going to shoot one of them it would be unlikely the cop would check them and get a useless dead check? can't you frame towns and make them flip red. essentially jat/koshi were the obvious frames and shots. so if you're mafia you try to guess which one gets shot and frame the other | ||
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we still have a mislynch? | ||
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On February 10 2015 08:25 Breshke wrote: I really think we win if we kill bats and LS, but then i also don't eally want to lose to marv. RSo keen to hear what you think when you are here it's pretty obvious i am never mafia with jat | ||
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the timing of LS's case on jat is amazingly iffy, but so is bats' cop claim - checking you? that's the safest possible check for mafia - "oops i fucked up and checked the obvious vig instead of checking ANY OTHER TOWNIE". There's also many pages of this game i haven't read at all yet :p | ||
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not "marv looks like shit" | ||
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get fucked noob :D | ||
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"it's jat and LS" then jat is in the thread a bit after and practically treating me as town, giving LS and rso and various other things and barely mentioning me then the next day i'm still going hard at it and he suddenly realises he has to call me mafia it tickled me greatly | ||
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Damdred d1 town Koshi n1 mafia HF d2 town jat n2 mafia time to break the streak | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:01 Breshke wrote: Yeah i think it should be bats today. Looking back at the D1 vote it is completely possible that Koshi goes onto sicklucker with JAT because his wagon was gaining speed. Bats also expresses interest in joining this wagon so koshi can switch back to onegu who he is actually scum reading. I also couldn't let myself lose to bats when he has just called me mafia the entire game and hasn't really done much else. ##Vote Bats Thought experiment for you Breshke: was bats just gambling you would shoot me (or some town) tonight so he could call you mafia? because obviously if you hit mafia he is going to look pretty bad, right? | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:07 Breshke wrote: If he is mafia I don't think the plan is to ever call me mafia. It is too late for that even if i hit a town like I don't think RSo flips on me. It is possible LS does or you maybe but i doubt it. I think the check on me is a wasted check it is a safe check. I know eden told him to randomly choose between me LS and RSo but i really didn't think he would choose me then what's the point in calling you mafia when it's just gonna make him look bad at some point | ||
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i'm keeping shut up until i've researched the fuck out of everyone though | ||
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but i'm not gonna make sweeping statements :p | ||
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look at d2 one townie, one mafia on the block it's 5-2 with the mafia leading then the massive distraction with me comes along and the mafia gets saved | ||
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This is a serious question. I want a serious answer as to how you think I can possibly be mafia in this spot, when a) you understand the miller thing having been corrected on it b) jat's flip get to it | ||
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if i get today's lynch wrong and he ends up in lylo with me, he'll vote against me because he's too stupid to read the game and listen. so maybe we just have to ditch him now, and hope i'm wrong. | ||
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I think if bats is mafia then he got heavily, heavily coached by jat | ||
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I don't think this looks like bats' mafia game but jat knows what bats' mafia and town games look like. He could tell him who to push and to push it hard, like "bats, pick a target on day 1 and tunnel him, because you never do that as mafia" "make a claim day 2 with a crazy sounding theory and look like you believe in it" | ||
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you still need to answer why you are voting for me. | ||
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Presence of miller doesn't mean there's a cop Palmar and I put a single mason in Carol of the Bells. Hosts do that you know. | ||
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that's the strongest point in your favour | ||
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the last role could be godfather? stop being ridiculous! | ||
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it's as simple as that | ||
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On February 10 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote: him not wanting to contribute doesn't look good at all, and the fact that he shot my comment down when I said I thought you or ls should have conceded already if you were scum this is a monumentally bad post | ||
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On February 09 2015 17:49 justanothertownie wrote: Rsoultin is "probably mafia" because she is too right if that makes sense. Remember when literally everyone said my case was awesome (because it was)? She did not only say "meh not that good" but she immediately ridiculed the case for being awful. Why? Because she knew it was wrong. If marv is town same story - everyone thought he was scum because he claimed scum. Only rsoultin still thought he was town. This could be a legit case of too much information. The problem is I had thought those things about rsoultin myself when I was just flicking through her filter. And here's jat saying it. Ugh | ||
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At some point around the start of day 2, jat starts hard-scumreading rsoultin. Actually there's never a reason given for this, other than "she is forgettable and PoE". But jat is *convinced* that HF/rsoultin are the two mafia. But of course we lynch HF first... His filter also reminded me that Koshi attacked rsoultin for terrible reasons. What Koshi said about rsoultin could absolutely be a bus. Because - Koshi was convinced that rsoultin confusing him for LM made rsoultin mafia, even though he couldn't explain why at all. It just "wasn't a mistake a townie makes" and therefore it came from mafia. If Koshi is mafia with rsoultin, then Koshi is attacking rsoultin for a really terrible mistake and with conviction because Koshi knows she is mafia. I would add that jat also attacked Koshi for his poor reasoning. The most interesting thing, though, is the combination of these. So Koshi gets shot and flips mafia. The dude who made a terrible hardpush on rsoultin for bad reasons. But jat never takes this into account on his read of rsoultin. rsoultin is "confirmed mafia" even though the flipped mafia was attacking rsoultin for terrible reasons. That's really fascinating. That also indicates bus to me. I don't quite know what to make of jat's hardpush to get LS shot. If LS is town, then town has to lynch jat+rsoultin in a row or lose. Who are they going to mislynch? Me? bats? Possible I guess? If LS flips mafia, then jat looks better and maybe he can push through my lynch the next day, meaning town would have to lynch jat in LYLO. This very lightly suggests to me that LS might be mafia, but it's conjecture. All of this is just theorising for now, I haven't read LS's filter yet. | ||
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On February 04 2015 19:58 marvellosity wrote: 1 Breshke - looks kinda townie maybe? 2 Eden1892 - bad but very townie 3 rsoultin - ehhhh, doesn't look great 4 LightningStrike - looks terrible but doesn't necessarily make him mafia 5 Onegu - looks kinda ok? 6 Damdred - looks mafia 7 Palmar - seems townie 8 marvellosity - really nice bottom 9 sicklucker - eh? play mang... 10 batsnacks - i'd guess town, weakly 11 Koshi - shrug 12 Holyflare - looked townie to me so far 13 justanothertownie - absent. worrying aside from Damdy i should have trusted my early early reads far more :< talked myself into scumreads at some point on like all the people I said looked ok/good (bresh, onegu, HF). boo me. P.S. i am not looking through my own filter, found this in jat's :p | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:26 rsoultin wrote: Again with the awesome case nonsense? There was nothing awesome about that case, aside from it was nice and long and sounded good if you didn't bother to actually think about what it was saying. No the point is that you had a different reaction to all the other townies. | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:26 rsoultin wrote: Again with the awesome case nonsense? There was nothing awesome about that case, aside from it was nice and long and sounded good if you didn't bother to actually think about what it was saying. And why the hell does anything jat does or doesn't take into account mean anything when he's mafia? If he's trying to convince everyone that he is town he literally has no choice but to scumread me. Calling bats scum calls into question the green check. Who else is he supposed to call scum? Breshke? Eden? You? LS and I were his only options, and it's not like he's going to get me shot overnight. He only changed his read on you when Eden started frothing at the mouth and it actually looked like a possible out. he was hard scumreading you pre-the bats claim | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:43 rsoultin wrote: Lol what is he supposed to do? His defense was laughable. Did you even read it? I suppose you could think that he'd already resigned himself to being the lynch (though I don't know why you'd think that) and so we were double-bussing to try to look at odds, but if that's the case why is he calling me 100% scum? why not? i don't understand what you're getting at here. | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:59 rsoultin wrote: Marv, if you think bats is town, and you're voting for him anyway, you're the one throwing the game. You just said you're not going to be here at EoD yet you're going to vote a "likely town" just to survive? it's obviously just a spite vote at this point. Do you think mafia claims cop when there is a claimed miller in the game?? | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote: Saying anyone is 100% or definitely scum, lynch them tomorrow, or 100% town when you're scum just throws them into the limelight when you flip. I'd expect him to hedge if he was bussing. jat hard townread bats all game................. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:12 rsoultin wrote: Marv, all you're convincing me of right now is that I was probably way too quick to accept your claim on faith. so bats is town because mafia don't claim cop when there's a claimed miller. Correct? | ||
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"mafia hedge their bets, they don't hard townread their buddy" I say "jat hard townread bats all game" i think you can see what i'm getting at just fine | ||
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So you should be choosing between LS and me. I'm enjoying having to explain this to you. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:16 rsoultin wrote: lol, I see you're picking at things without taking context into consideration just fine xP jat never had to hard townread bats from the start of the game. that is the context. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote: Honestly? I wanted his answer as to why he was voting marv, which he refused to give, and he's been at the top of my scumlist since the day phase started. I'm probably going to unvote him, though, with marv deciding to vote a townread. That just makes my skin itch. I've been waffling on you all game, LS. Sometimes you look really townie to me, and other times you're just playing so differently I doubt myself. Bah. Like, this is really terrible rsoultin. WHAT MAFIA DOES THIS? | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: No? I know I thought his claim seemed townie at the time. But the reasons you're giving are meta, and you're voting for him anyway. And his reason for voting you flat-out denies that anyone could possibly think he's scum. I don't know him that well, but I don't think he's that stupid. you said this in the thread when i had already explained about mafia fakeclaiming cop when there was a miller. sup son? | ||
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No mafia counterclaims miller, you're right. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:23 LightningStrike wrote: I having a hard time between rsoultin and bats assuming you are really the Miller marv. I know it's possible to have a Miller with no Cops in a game esp after Carol where we only had 1 Mason lol.... Did you not read my explanation about why bats is likely town? | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:24 marvellosity wrote: Did you not read my explanation about why bats is likely town? ^^^ | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:32 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but it's still very similar. Once his allies die he sheeps the strong townie. he does this as town I think? I'll have to recheck but I'm sure I remember a game where he's just following votes around could be misremembering, and the database isn't up to date | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:32 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but it's still very similar. Once his allies die he sheeps the strong townie. also this isn't quite right, because the game looks like this people should be voting: Breshke - LS, rsou, (marv) bats - LS, rsou, (marv) marv - LS, rsou LS - rsou, (marv) rsou - LS, (marv) so for the bottom 2, the dye is already cast | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:41 batsnacks wrote: Also I went back and looked at rs's rebuttal of jat's case and I don't think she did that as mafia. I think the direct opposite. Just opened Carol, first thing I notice is that LS's filter is already 7 pages longer in this game than when he was town in that game :/ | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: I misread your comment but did you forget that Carol had a posting limit? yes, i did actually. thanks lol | ||
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On December 18 2014 12:11 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry sicklucker I still town read you but I think Rsoultins case on Glowbear has better ground than Glowbear's case on HF ##Unvote ##Vote: Glowingbear On December 20 2014 03:32 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Rsoultin I think we better for Templar since it's clear not a lot people want to vote GB and the case from HF on Templar is pretty damning. ##Unvote ##:Vote: The_Templar On December 20 2014 07:35 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry rsoultin I was just getting Egg Nog and I like the tubesock train a lot. Idk if we can get enough votes for him but I will try! ##Unvote ##Vote: Tubesock On December 23 2014 00:42 LightningStrike wrote: You know now I see the light in the darkness we must get rid of HF to determine who wins. ##Vote: HolyFlare On December 23 2014 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Holy hell that is a very long essay HF and honestly that making want to turn back on to Templar. ##Unvote ##Vote The_Templar On December 23 2014 07:01 LightningStrike wrote: I going with just go for HTS with HF and sicklucker despite it stinging more than it should but sometimes life gives you lemons. ##Unvote ##Vote Half the Sky On December 23 2014 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: When I made the post I didn't see the claim but now I see the claim and who he protected Night 2 I believe him because everything made sense on why ritoky made such a weird claim on the bullet. ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare Like the bottom 4 posts are all in a row.... LS just goes where the wind takes him, often on just a whim and following people around | ||
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So at the start of the game LS went at Eden for some unknown reason, and it was really weird. I think if he's mafia he doesn't do this on his own, and as per my comments from earlier it would have had to have been coached. Which is possible. | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:01 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I am VT if anyone cares I wanted Cop again >.< ^ means he can never ever fakeclaim | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:33 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm I really hate this exchange from Koshi and rsoultin: Like idk if she was joking or not but Koshi comment on saying it was a awkward joke might have some newer meanings for us. I just don't know if LightningStrike is capable of this sort of post as mafia. I really don't Also: On February 07 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: Actually Yeh that joke wasn't as awkward as koshi implied it to be so could potentially be mafia picking on mafia joke | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote: There is a GF in this game Breshke so ofc the GF will appear green when checked by a cop so that means that JAT is most likely the GF. ^ also don't think LS is this artful... | ||
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On February 10 2015 09:16 LightningStrike wrote: Also there is no way JAT would be seen green on a real cop check so therefore I think bats is mafia because only GF would appear green to a Cop check and JAT was a goon not a GF. ^ same argument | ||
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This is where I stand at the moment. I think a lot of the bizarre interactions between mafia lend themselves to rsoultin being mafia. The whole Koshi/rs/jat stuff on n1->d2 especially. Additionally, going back to check Carol reminds me of how town leader-y rsoultin was in that game. She was powerful and persuasive (if wrong). This game she is neither powerful nor persuasive, she's more of a backseat passenger. Reading LS's filter, frankly it just looks quite town to me. The timing of the jat case which I jumped on at the time was nowhere near as bad as I thought. For some reason I remembered it coming right at EoD when it came the next day, not sure what happened there. And I think there are some gems in LS's filter that I can't see him replicating as mafia. Whereas I think rsoultin can replicate everything she did as mafia. | ||
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Breshke, when you read this. Prod me to talk about stuff I'm thinking here if I forget later when you're around. | ||
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On February 11 2015 04:12 rsoultin wrote: You're either stuck in confirmation bias or misrepresenting things on purpose again. Read any of my town games. I am "town-leadery" in the absence of town leadership. There was nothing leadery about me until most of the vets were slaughtered in Carol. I took the reigns of the newbie game almost instantly, but certainly haven't led any of my town games since, with the exception of protoss where I had a red-check and was confirmed. Koshi was hardly the only one who commented on my joke. Just because he's mafia and they weren't it conveniently becomes a scumslip? These things are being twisted to suit your predisposition to see me lynched today. And don't think it escapes me, marv, that if you're scum I am absolutely your biggest threat going into LYLO. I have plenty to say about this when Breshke is around :> i've written bats off as a lost cause | ||
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I had you town during the night phase and I've scoured jat and Koshi's filter, as well as your own and LS's. What I have is literally the opposite of a predisposition to lynch you today. | ||
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On February 10 2015 23:36 marvellosity wrote: also this isn't quite right, because the game looks like this people should be voting: Breshke - LS, rsou, (marv) bats - LS, rsou, (marv) marv - LS, rsou LS - rsou, (marv) rsou - LS, (marv) so for the bottom 2, the dye is already cast So it's related to this. Remember the twaddle Eden came out with about mafia being inactive because of some random theoretical discussions that happened outside this game? Well, that's not that, it's related to this game and above. so obviously the stuff above is based on the fact that if you're mafia and you shot 2 scumbuddies you're gonna win and whatever, and I thought bats was town all game and fakeclaiming cop when there's a miller seems really risky, so gotta take the punt that he's town, which leaves the above. Anyway since the modkills and since you shot Koshi, the breathing room for mafia has been restricting faster and faster. Lots of the "scummy" townies died, and hero-vig shot multiple mafia. We saw the first instance of this breathing room evaporating during the night phase, where jat was pretty certain I was town at one stage, and then when I'm relentlessly keeping on him, he's basically forced to call me mafia. It's not even a mistake for him to do it, because he needs outs and he's running out of outs. Today the situation is even clearer - my post above. I'm essentially choosing between rsou and LS, and they really have to choose between each other with a side of me. It's the main reason that I trapped rsoultin earlier in the phase and made her admit that bats was very likely town - I needed the net to close and make things clear. Now, whichever of rsoultin or LS is mafia, they need two mislynches. Each other's not enough. I've closed the door on bats. This means that by necessity I will need to be the next mislynch, because going back to bats is very difficult after what I said today. So what have we got? LS seemed ok to close the door on bats, with no particular qualms, I don't see anything unnatural about it (other than usual LS hilarious weirdness which is nothing). rsoultin is in a different spot. Can't go for bats anymore. She's been calling my miller thing preeeetty ironclad, which frankly it is. Not only that, but she set her stall out before that I'm town for gameplay reasons. But now again the net is closing, and we have the jat situation repeating again. She is forced to call me mafia. Why is she forced? Because if she sticks to the (totally correct) idea that my miller claim makes me pretty lock town, and sticks to the idea that I'm town, then she'd also have to be ok with rsoultin and LS being lynched in a row which locks up the game for town (that's the situation I am in personally). But she can't be ok with that because that doesn't work for mafia. So on the one hand LS is calling me 100% town. And on the other rsoultin is forced to try to open the door to lynching me, after I closed the door on lynching bats. | ||
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On February 11 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: rsoultin This is where I stand at the moment. I think a lot of the bizarre interactions between mafia lend themselves to rsoultin being mafia. The whole Koshi/rs/jat stuff on n1->d2 especially. Additionally, going back to check Carol reminds me of how town leader-y rsoultin was in that game. She was powerful and persuasive (if wrong). This game she is neither powerful nor persuasive, she's more of a backseat passenger. Reading LS's filter, frankly it just looks quite town to me. The timing of the jat case which I jumped on at the time was nowhere near as bad as I thought. For some reason I remembered it coming right at EoD when it came the next day, not sure what happened there. And I think there are some gems in LS's filter that I can't see him replicating as mafia. Whereas I think rsoultin can replicate everything she did as mafia. I admit I'm not completely certain, I don't know how I can be expected to be. But I think there's a difference between uncertainty and stuff, and the necessity for mafia to reintroduce me to the lynch discussion. rsoultin actually has nothing except "you're calling me mafia" Also, see bolded: I think I set my stall out quite clearly on what I think the solution is. Whereas rsoultin should absolutely be going for LS today, LS should be a near banker for her given everything that she has said about me, especially the miller stuff. But that's not how it reads is it? | ||
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Breshke: "I really think it's bats" LS: "the bats claims make no sense, he's mafia" rsoultin: "vote: bats" I *removed* someone from the table that literally everyone else was suspicious of at once. But sure babe, i'm trying to OPEN up my options. | ||
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On February 10 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote: okay, but what was your theory based on? breshke being alive and not rb'd? if you're town, bats, you have to help me out here because I'm having a really hard time finding a reason not to lynch you Definitely policy | ||
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On February 10 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: No? I know I thought his claim seemed townie at the time. But the reasons you're giving are meta, and you're voting for him anyway. And his reason for voting you flat-out denies that anyone could possibly think he's scum. I don't know him that well, but I don't think he's that stupid. Here rsoultin is very much trying to keep bats on the table | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:05 rsoultin wrote: You do realize I voted Onegu before koshi did, in the very last few minutes? I'd barely had time to engage with anyone Day 1. As I've said multiple times, scum me for being inactive if you like, but that's all this means. You sound like jat! ![]() | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Here rsoultin is very much trying to keep bats on the table tbh this is an immensely strong point. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:01 Breshke wrote: like if you flip town im going to feel like an ass If rsoultin flips town, explain to LS again that bats is extremely likely town. I don't think you'll have to convince bats very much. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Here rsoultin is very much trying to keep bats on the table like here you are pushing back at me calling bats town don't just give me this "it's only a pressure vote" nonsense | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:14 rsoultin wrote: you want the entire thread to think that the only person who I could possibly vote for today is ls, so you can say haha see, she scumread me, she must be scum In fairness I did put me in brackets. So are you going back on the miller thing making me town then? | ||
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On February 11 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote: For reference - if you want to argue with me that LS is mafia, I want you to discuss with me the things I brought up in LS's filter that I think make him town. like the stuff about the mafia roles, forgetting framer, all that stuff i don't think he's artful enough for going after eden mid-day 2 picking up on the rsoultin-koshi joke thing (whether it's correct or not is beside the point, it's that he found it and commented and pushed it) Also I accept LS's point about the fact he was coached in his last mafia game, and even if he was coached here he's done infinitely better. Also please feel free to engage with me on all these points I'm listening | ||
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I'm literally just putting forth my points. Your tone is duly noted | ||
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do you agree with what I said on LS or not? | ||
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I went through filters. I got the thread to realise bats was town. Then I went back to rsoul's/LS's filter and I produced several things that LS did that I think strongly indicate he was town, and I just couldn't do the same for rsoultin. None of this is being unreasonable but she's in here shouting at me as a bully and I'm really scummy for thinking like this. I don't think any of how I've gone about this is remotely scummy. | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:27 rsoultin wrote: These two points are the better ones. The others are blah. Saying he's not artful enough is just saying he's bad (the source of my snark) and the rsoultin-koshi joke thing means nothing if he's a mafia partner with koshi. Obviously he had scum partners who could help him with how to post in this game (something he didn't actually have in our Student game, because both of his partners were AWOL) so he could feasibly do better as scum here than several games ago playing essentially alone, and to suggest otherwise is naïve. This is incorrect as LS mentioned himself, mafia had a coach in the Student games. | ||
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*rolls eyes* so he had afk partners, but he had a coach. whatever. | ||
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You do your thang, lady. | ||
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mafia get rekt | ||
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super happy to be right when it mattered though | ||
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On February 11 2015 09:58 rsoultin wrote: xP lol you said you had a terrible feeling I knew then I was in trouble lol...also so hating on my work hours in relation to EoD this game -_- yeah it all suddenly became clear to me... but i had to do the work to check too | ||
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I appreciate the fight all game though. Thank Eden for your hard-defence all game for me :p | ||
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On February 11 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote: lol <3 I still think calling bats as the cop and pushing jat to force him to claim was the most fun part of the game for me xP suggestions for playing scum other than I just suck at it? lol (I fully realize I had the most trouble in the world scumreading anyone town ><) Not really, because I suffer from the same problem, it is really quite hard. I suggest reading an HF scumgame or two. also you didn't suck at scum at all. you're always going to have suspicion on you at some point, and you got a lot of townreads. | ||
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On February 11 2015 14:10 Holyflare wrote: and marv only called me 100% mafia because he didn't read the thread at all and instead looked at the vote thread ![]() yes. I never even read like a massive swathe of pages around that part of the game. Oops. | ||
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On February 11 2015 14:48 scott31337 wrote: You doubt yourself - you did great ![]() I was still lost for the third scum. Bats and his fakeclaims and checking you - but hey I'm still a noob. GG Edit: Mafia QT/Docs of shots? LS/others - Stop with so much meta - let it go, read the current game/thread. Palmar will be happy to help you, PM him ![]() Rso - You did very well be proud ![]() Meta is fucking fantastic. edit: not that LS doesn't overuse meta, but it's a great tool. On that note, don't really get some of the criticism of LS's play, looking back he looked really pretty town, made a decent case on jat-mafia when other townies were calling for my head, and actually listened on the final day unlike one townie who's been around a lot longer who shall remain nameless. | ||
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On February 11 2015 19:59 justanothertownie wrote: No. You called me mafia and called me mafia and called me mafia. No reevaluation. Not even the slightest doubt at any point in time. And I did not really call you mafia before that. I just didn't call you town. Yes, I called you mafia. Then I stopped to think about it. And after thinking you were *definitely* mafia. | ||
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On February 11 2015 20:21 Palmar wrote: I still think my question from day 1 is relevant. How on earth did the JAT wagon disintegrate? he posted some words and that's often enough to push a lynch off a high profile player | ||
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I regret not trying to lynch rsoultin, whenever me and HF suspect the same person independently early d1 it's usually a good omen (sl/HtS in Void, rsoultin here) On February 04 2015 19:58 marvellosity wrote: 1 Breshke - looks kinda townie maybe? 2 Eden1892 - bad but very townie 3 rsoultin - ehhhh, doesn't look great 4 LightningStrike - looks terrible but doesn't necessarily make him mafia 5 Onegu - looks kinda ok? 6 Damdred - looks mafia 7 Palmar - seems townie 8 marvellosity - really nice bottom 9 sicklucker - eh? play mang... 10 batsnacks - i'd guess town, weakly 11 Koshi - shrug 12 Holyflare - looked townie to me so far 13 justanothertownie - absent. worrying Close to start of d1... took so much time to get close to being that right again | ||
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HF obviously yes :p | ||
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On February 11 2015 20:51 Palmar wrote: tbh marv was really towny this game. then someone tried to build a case on him based on me thinking he was mafia. at least we don't have to do that newbie repentance game, Plam. | ||
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there's nothing more or less to say about it | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote: Roleblocker instead of a framer or in addition to a framer? I was under the impression that scum should have one less power role than town, or so I thought... In addition to. Vigilante is both an *insanely* swingy role (for obvious reasons) and an insanely strong one. I would personally never include a 2-shot vigi in a 13 player mini. And without a roleblocker too... kinda ouchy. | ||
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LS/rsoultin - this is where the check should be looking N1 | ||
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edit: like I got the most mileage possible out of it, because Eden conveniently fakeclaimed before me. Didn't stop people trying to lynch me later, though. | ||
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e.g. the C9++ setup was made for 13. edit: Koshi is right though, Artanis didn't factor in at all the huge information benefit you get out of flipping players, regardless of their alignment | ||
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