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justanothertownie
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On February 03 2015 08:13 marvellosity wrote: all i know of you is i kill you early as every alignment and as host. Assuming I am allowed to play: Marv, can we just reach an agreement of both rolling town once again? That'd be great. And no, there will not be a 40 page filter day2 this game. | ||
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On February 03 2015 10:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: WHY AREN'T YOU PEOPLE SIGNING UP FOR JACK? coz u suck | ||
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On February 03 2015 10:26 Eden1892 wrote: that game starts in like a month mang also do you really want me to sign up? huehuehue | ||
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On February 04 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: 40? fuck you :p hahaha | ||
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On February 04 2015 07:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just want a picture of Robik smiling to look at every time he starts raging. Open up a mafia vod. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:03 Damdred wrote: Where's marv he's an expert You know first hand I assume? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: Why would you betray that trust jat Because I can. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:08 Eden1892 wrote: Is that a good idea? Feedback plz I think if you are a self aware miller you should claim immediately - if you do it later we won't believe you. I also know someone with a wildly different opinion who happens to be in this game... | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:11 marvellosity wrote: er, well I am miller and an expert on se(a)men Palmar vs. marv fight to the death incoming. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:18 Palmar wrote: I'm a miller. Oh the irony... | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:20 marvellosity wrote: pretty sure Palmar isn't serious Yeah, I guess. Would be too good to be true. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:17 Eden1892 wrote: wow so tryhard 3 pg filter already confirmed town!! much doge Weren't you the one who said posting much as town is bad? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:24 Eden1892 wrote: I can already feel the returns diminishing. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:32 Eden1892 wrote: it was respect, I just had "all the other chumps who haven't posted" and remembered you posted, so I gave you your own spot. but you haven't said anything to make me think anything so lol I feel honored. | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:47 Palmar wrote: It's sort of a tone read marv. It's just such a strangely worded post. Like the part he's talking about laughing seems really awkward, and I don't understand how his line of questioning is ever going to amount to something. The word "still" is sort of forced in there, and he's kind of asks the same question twice "why not scumread palmar?" "why scumread marv?" Which is basically the same question, and he had asked it like that earlier. The weirdest thing about it is that he completely disregards that it was obviously a play from Eden. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote: Just came back from playing a LoL game and saw mass miller claims -.- Also Palmar claiming that Damdred is scum but wont give a good reason................ So guys what you think of Palmar and Marvs interactions with each other so far? Since you think they are worth discussing - what do YOU think about them? | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:06 marvellosity wrote: jat is just sheeping me sheeping you Palmar. Am I? | ||
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Oh, lol. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:07 Palmar wrote: No you both have strong independent reasons for voting your #1 scumread Damdred. You are confident men who don't need no leaders to guide you along. Now vote accordingly. I don't know. What if I want to blindly sheep this sassy/independent/icelandic woman? | ||
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Palmar pls | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote: LightningStrike is absolutely hilarious. And not in the hilarious way Let's make a deal. You keep posting things like this and I keep making sense. Then we don't have to post the same shit anymore. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:16 Eden1892 wrote: Sorry but she is town. I am always wrong about my 1st scumread Can't argue with that. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:19 marvellosity wrote: look at that bro first on the wagon Yeah, LS pretty cool guy. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote: im not scum so im prop not gonna care about this day 1 Ah, cool. So if you are playing awfully we will know you are town. Oh, wait... | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: Really you going to skip Day 1 discussion just because you don't want to play it out? You should know better than that............... Thank you captain obvious. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:31 Palmar wrote: warning: first person to try to tear apart my wagon based on "it's forming too fast" or "too easy" will be punched. This damdred wagon seems like "a bandwagon from hell". | ||
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It's ok. He probably didn't read your stuff anyways. Or this post. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:32 marvellosity wrote: yeah sicklucker is sheeping me even though it's your wagon like jat was It is actually my wagon I can't be sheeping you if I didn't even conciously see your post. Get rekt. | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:36 sicklucker wrote: No im just going to bury you this tim eif your mafia. OH SNAP yawn | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:42 Damdred wrote: Palomar is the trendiest town. Eden town Marv is town but don't let him skate by on his miller claim. How is marv skating by? | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:45 Damdred wrote: Cause he's a Miller and marv can't be lazy but he sounds happy What? | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:46 Damdred wrote: Marv sounds happy so he's town. Bit don't let him be terrible confirmed town when I die and make him do things Yeah, marv has a history of being terrible and inactive as town. I get it. | ||
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YES! | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:53 Holyflare wrote: yes yes people spend your time searching lol, sure | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:55 Holyflare wrote: man this wagon is so fasttttttttt hehe yeh... it is almost too easy | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:58 Damdred wrote: Lynch rs 100% the moment I die That is impossible. The moment you die we are lynching you already. | ||
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On February 04 2015 19:58 marvellosity wrote: 13 justanothertownie - absent. worrying Not worrying in the slightest. I stayed up until 2 am yesterday and I have to work in the lab during the day. I am only here because of lunch and there is absolutely no way that I am able to catch up before I get home in the evening. Not everyone has a nice office job. | ||
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On February 04 2015 21:22 sicklucker wrote: so jat both dandred and ls had totally made up town reads on you. Did you yell at them in the obs qt? You were the only scumbuddy I ever had to yell at (goes to show how "good" your play was). And I didn't even once tell you to townread me. From now on I will ignore your bullshit though. I won't let you feign activity by answering anything like this again. | ||
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On February 04 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote: it is worrying. you saying it isn't worrying doesn't make it less worrying. You know that I have no problem being active as scum so I don't get why it worries you. | ||
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Selfish bastard. | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:33 Damdred wrote: Mostly just tone read, he's more s town lean atm On February 04 2015 10:34 Holyflare wrote: Damdred is far far far too sure about his reads. JAT just fooled people as mafia last game and plays as mafia generally well yet he's probably town, I have literally just been trolling yet at the top of the page he's trying to convince me to kill rs after he flips, marv he said be wary of yet still lists him as town even though he knows he's a miller.... silly To be honest the read on me is not what is bothering me about damdred. I guess he should maybe be a little more paranoid about me in general (?) but he told me in the void postgame that he thinks he can read me by tone and I think my tone so far has been pretty different/more jovial than in void mafia for obvious reasons. | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:04 sicklucker wrote: Its more that he gave a townread when you had a 1 page filter. Do you think your readable in a 1 page filter? No. But if damdred thinks he can read my tone then he should have a townread on me. | ||
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I was literally about to write this. | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:29 sicklucker wrote: idk kill Onegu as a semi fear lynch. He claims to be unreadable and sine he just owned you in a game I tend to want to take his word and vote him out for it. I think after dandred hes who id lynch Or you could just play the game. Since it is only a semi fear lynch - what is scummy about Onegu? | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:39 sicklucker wrote: Nothing day 1 is for policys. looking at ls's filter nothing really that weird either tbh. Would still kill if I had no target because I dont think he ever finds scum. Another stupid post. | ||
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It is a pleasure to see how much you are missing me. | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:37 Koshi wrote: JAT how mafia are you? Not that much. | ||
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On February 05 2015 05:37 Koshi wrote: If this is your new meta I am not impressed. Do you want me to post while I am reading? Because I can totally do that if you want. It will be annoying and I will say stuff that has already been said though. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote: Obviously not? He came back in and explained his comments later, and they made sense. I would like to hear a more detailed explanation here. Why was he scummy to you initially and what about his explanation changed this and why. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:35 Onegu wrote: Oh and because it's marv that's posting, that means he is town. Also as I pointed out you tried to make marv look bad. The fact that he is posting does not mean marv is town. People who attack marv are also not more likely to be mafia. You should know this since you were going at him when he was really obviously town in heavyweight III. Also I am retracting this: On February 05 2015 01:24 justanothertownie wrote: Marv you are annoying just shut up like you promised :/ Marv, I am hereby allowing you to post again. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote: This is the most horrible post in the entire thread. Firstly LS shows little understanding of what is going on in the thread, First he has a scum read on eden (who is really towny btw) for no reasons at all basically just trolling earlier when it was a play rather than trolling. Now he calls my actions into question that I did earlier but doesn't give any information about them at all, I questioned his scum read but my actions are questionable? This is just a mafia post if I've seen one I have absolutely no idea how damdred comes to this conclusion about this post with the reasoning he is giving here. Does LS strike you as a player who would give only one scumread on the universal townread of all strong players in the game? Especially the last line seems way overboard. | ||
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I am actually caught up. | ||
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On February 04 2015 18:21 Koshi wrote: If I was not being a sheep I would totally start a wagon on breshke. Just trowing that out there. Koshi, could you go into more detail about this? I don't see it at all. Like, I don't really want to lynch anybody on this list that much: On February 04 2015 20:20 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch the people you are calling marginally town. Breshke. Batsnacks. Onegu isn't clear. And rsoultin is 100% town. | ||
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On February 04 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: I'll answer both questions, but I don't feel like quoting so you will have to read the filter LS is mafia for a few reasons, he is not reading the thread for starters and just looking like he is contributing. At a few moments he is asked if he is caught up in the thread and he says no, but he goes on to yell at other people for not reading the thread when he hasn't done it himself. LS has been caught in lies this game, when he chainsaw defended RS he made up a reason that he was acting to his meta that he showed in Student Mafia. Which even RS said was dumb and untrue as he pushed trf from the start in that game but somewhat just sheeped here. Also his reads seem relly falsified and don't make sense.Tone wise LS is way different from any of his town game he seems really angry here, he on several occasions ask people if they are high or over reacts to being called scum where in his town games he just continues to play and try to act townie or show why hes towny instead of being angry to this extent. @Koshi, not really ok with getting lynched but I know I probably am. I feel ok just got tunneled super early Never in this game have I gotten the impression that LS is angry. | ||
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On February 05 2015 00:03 marvellosity wrote: I guess jat could be mafia? There's literally one line in his filter about Damdred and then nothing else of anything dnu yawn It is pretty lame how your only read on me seems to be activity. It is the same as russia today (I think that was the game?) - I don't have time during the day so I can't be posting then regardless of my alignment. But you won't want to lynch me later anyways. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:02 Koshi wrote: I feel it in my bones Breshke is mafia. Do you have any specific posts you could point out that induced this kind of feeling? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:04 marvellosity wrote: which has absolutely nothing to do with me actually reading and thinking about them, but thanks babe. Let's say I made some kind of lazy poe lynch pool list. Would it be asking too much to get an opinion on that? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:07 marvellosity wrote: see my list from previously, broadly assume that anyone i'm thinly townreading could actually be mafia, and voila :p That's even better. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:08 marvellosity wrote: although I quite fancy LS for town tbh. Yes, I agree. | ||
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On February 04 2015 19:58 marvellosity wrote: 1 Breshke - looks kinda townie maybe? 2 Eden1892 - bad but very townie 3 rsoultin - ehhhh, doesn't look great 4 LightningStrike - looks terrible but doesn't necessarily make him mafia 5 Onegu - looks kinda ok? 6 Damdred - looks mafia 7 Palmar - seems townie 8 marvellosity - really nice bottom 9 sicklucker - eh? play mang... 10 batsnacks - i'd guess town, weakly 11 Koshi - shrug 12 Holyflare - looked townie to me so far 13 justanothertownie - absent. worrying So we are talking about this list I assume? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:10 marvellosity wrote: no, the other list. Screw you. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote: hahaha i bet he even checked You would have won that bet. | ||
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1 Breshke 3 rsoultin 5 Onegu 6 Damdred 9 sicklucker 10 batsnacks 12 Holyflare I don't actually want to lynch HF that much but I have seen nothing from him that he couldn't do as scum so fuck him. Breshke/Onegu/bats are more POE because they haven't been as towny as the rest of the game but there were still moments from all 3 of them that made me think they could be town. Would need a good case on those to lynch them. SL and Damdred look the worst to me and would be my prefered lynch targets right now. | ||
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Yes, but not in the extremely detailed elaboration. Dumbass. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:26 marvellosity wrote: Damdred probably should die for that LS read. It's so... easy, too certain, doesn't explore the possibility that LS-town could make it, even though I'm sure he could And more importantly DAMDRED should know he probably could. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:26 Eden1892 wrote: i'm also a little annoyed at myself because i'm 24 hours in and my best scumread is jat for not being productive until ~an hour ago and even then just posting catchup stuff to look cool and then posting a reads list that recaps thread suspicion without saying anything interesting like that might even be a good reason to lynch him but it's just so unsatisfying, you know? Maybe you should just stop trusting yourself then. | ||
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Yeah, I love me some one-liners. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:30 marvellosity wrote: oh yeah, bats caught sl in a lie. which is really really weak. it's especially weak to vote for sl when he just spent like 3 paragraphs explaining to me why LS is definitely mafia it's all wrong I am confused. Wasn't bats talking about SL and is voting Breshke? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:40 marvellosity wrote: I think Breshke's scumread on LS is better than Damdred's. Damdred's is way, way harder which by default makes it a worse read. One thing I noticed in Breshke's filter is that Breshke actually *defended* LS's use of meta, even though he went on to scumread him not long after. That reads kinda townie to me - as in, he is actually thinking about LS's alignment, he's thinking about that part of his play and doesn't think it was scummy, but thought other parts of it were scummy. If Breshke is mafia, then he would have had to have made the post where he said LS's meta-use wasn't actually scummy and then suddenly decide that he was going to scumread LS. Which is definitely possible, but the alternative town-explanation I just gave I think is possible too. I think the town-explanation for Damdred's read on LS has a much lower probability than what i just described Yes. Good. Make sure you are around at deadline I would really like to just sheep someone once again. | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:43 Holyflare wrote: i love that I don't even have to do anything this game and it still all works out for the best hopefully My thoughts exactly. | ||
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I remember liking the first post Koshi quoted. | ||
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Eden is probably high or something. | ||
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He could be. But he is far far away from confirmed town. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:02 Eden1892 wrote: Wait he "could be"? You didn't even answer the question bruh. Do you think he's town or mafia? I made my list post extra short. You still failed to read it. You suck. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:09 Eden1892 wrote: it is important to me that JAT tells me it's a whatever read instead of other people There is nothing to add to what I wrote in my list. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:14 Eden1892 wrote: hmmmm jat can maybe live for a day, i have a thought i'm going to sit on So generous. | ||
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It's a legitimate question. He is your only scumread now for some reason. | ||
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Well, from defending someone to that someone being your strongest scumread is quite the jump. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:25 Eden1892 wrote: there are 2 possible points to this question that I can see: (1) you think I'm wrong about Damdred and are questioning me so that I'll post my thought process and you can convince me I'm wrong about Damdred (2) you think I'm mafia and are questioning me so that I'll post my thought process and you can convince others to vote for me what. is. your. point Or (3) I think you are pretty towny but you can never be sure enough. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:28 Damdred wrote: Well i'm home slowly reading through filters, i'm not sure you read all of Linux Marv I was really sure about most of my reads I posted look at my early trfel read that I threw away after awhile. Until I finally settled onto Eden being scum and b uilt my case there, lately I've been generally presenting my reads as very sure even if I change my mind later so I really hate that read of yours. The point is that you are very sure in a case you shouldn't be sure at all. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:32 Damdred wrote: Go look at what I wrote on Trfel in Linux Mafia even if I went back on it later, the only difference here to ther eis i'm getting town read there and scum read here. If the reads were reversed people would listen to me instead of scoff at what i'm saying No. Just no. It has literally nothing to do with how people read you. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:38 Damdred wrote: Yes, yes it does. People have a conditioned response to how they view things. In this case people are looking at me as scum so everything I say is tinted for the thread which is fine but it is the truth. Im to sure of my read? Palmar was to sure of his read on me but nobody jumped on him for that obviously, who cares if i'm right or wrong about LS obviously I believe/believed it at the time and he is angrier to me than he normally is. And he is playing marginally different as is RS, and mind you LS was caught in a lie about Rsoultin that he normally wouldn't make because he is so hung up on meta reads and people sticking to that specific meta but ok. I am not a LS expert but even I know that giving meta reads is all LS ever does. And nothing of this explains why you call his post the most mafia post ever or something like that when you shouldn't think so at all considering your experience with him. | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:51 Damdred wrote: LS is the hardest read in the game for me, and I thought I had him dead to rights because some of the things in his posts conflicted he was making 0 sense as the thread went along and he got caught in a lie. I think this makes him a really good shot as mafia, is he 100% mafia idk. Then all the more reason why you shouldn't be this certain?! | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: Then why should I be certain on any read? Then I would be scum read for leaving my options open! Hes a hard read but I generally read him right. What about just being honest? The fact that you value not being scumread over this does not speak in your favor. | ||
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& half the game | ||
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Yes. | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:41 Eden1892 wrote: Rofl how far up JAT's noggin is SL right now Honest to god it reminds me of a rant I deleted from scum QT in NYE. I got so fuckin mad at SL b/c I didn't feel like I could reason with him. Like if this were LYLO and JAT were town and SL were trying to kill him, I could get it, but JAT just seems way too rustled by SL and I don't get why he would be It's because you lack knowledge. | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote: This is only half true for SL then. Yeah he usually tries to figure out the game or acts like it is already solved as town but... he also makes shit up left and right and posts irrelevant nonsense as town. Generally not without a purpose. He says dumb shit as town but you can see some line of thought. As scum he just posts random bullshit. | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:44 Eden1892 wrote: What has he posted that doesn't have some line of thought? I am pretty sure I already commented on some of that. I have no intention of going through his filter right now - I will instead go to sleep. Also because you don't seem to know: I just played a game as his scumbuddy and we did not get along very well. | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:50 batsnacks wrote: So... you're sort of the authority on town SL nonsense vs mafia SL nonsense having been his scum mate last game. Which is it this game? I am quite obviously leaning towards mafia SL nonsense. | ||
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Shut up. You are not lynching me. | ||
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That will change. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:14 justanothertownie wrote: lol, marv you are voting me? Why? | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:17 Eden1892 wrote: Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all And what let's you make this debatable conclusion? I literally posted a POE list which indicates a townread or at least a don't lynch read on every player not on it. | ||
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Explain your vote. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:23 Eden1892 wrote: uh, probably the 'rigorous' part. handing out townreads without explanation != rigor and while this isn't related to being rigorous with townreads specifically, the more general point of not being sufficiently rigorous to do a POE lynch holds because you narrowed your list to seven and then didn't make an effort to get it any lower Bullshit. I dare you to read the post and tell me again I did not narrow it down. Not to mention that I have enough time today to do that. | ||
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Great. Since when do you lynch people you don't even scumread? | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:27 Eden1892 wrote: yeah I just did. you had Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills and 5 other people as "would kill if convinced" and then didn't do anything to develop that. and you spent 2 hours in the thread after posting it, no time johns for you So, I did narrow it down and you were pushing me for something that isn't true. GJ Eden. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote: like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:30 Eden1892 wrote: i hope that defense sounded better in your head, because you're still apparently ignoring the key point which is that you still spent time in the thread not doing anything to develop that list. you just dropped the list and then talked about other stuff instead The thing is you claim this but it just isn't true. And the sad thing is that you are probably town doing this. You are wasting your time and mine with this bullshit without having the slightest reason to scumread me while you could concentrate on people that are actually mafia. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:37 Palmar wrote: Yeah my bad, I just had an identity crisis. lol, change your fucking icon, fiend! | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:39 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments? I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:39 Palmar wrote: I guess I've run out of reasons to call you mafia then. You never had any to begin with. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:42 Eden1892 wrote: Obviously not, I didn't say you had to decide between them right then. What I meant is, where are you questioning Damdred and sicklucker to develop your reads so you'll know who you want to pick? Damdred just told you I was questioning him. What on earth are you talking about? What happened to your towngame since Imperial? You are spamming, confirmation biasing and trolling. All the things you said you didn't want to to anymore. It is really sad. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:48 Eden1892 wrote: unvote Maybe I can do some prelim vca and try to find something Poor thing... | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:55 Eden1892 wrote: Just on a quick glance: - Why did LightningStrike flip onto JAT from SL when SL was voting JAT? - What's Koshi even doing? Maybe that's where I should be looking for people who I think aren't putting in time. - If I think JAT is town then rsoultin and especially Damdred are probably town as well. I don't see why Damdred would be anywhere close to invested in the arguments around JAT if he were mafia. And rsoultin saying, in effect, "I see where you're going on JAT but I'm staying on SL" is pretty good if you assume JAT is town. It's not that she couldn't do that as mafia, but in any world where SL is mafia, she doesn't stay as mafia, she switches, imo. If SL is also town it's another story and she could be mafia. - Oddly enough I still like SL. Sorry Damdred. I swear I'm not saying this just to piss you off. - Holyflare, batsnacks and Onegu are all off doing their own thing. One of them is probably mafia. - Don't remember why Breshke moved. I think I like lynching Koshi and one of HF/batsnacks/Onegu, more likely HF/batsnacks because Onegu is already on Koshi. Why is damdred town for siding with me? That is the easiest fucking thing in the world to do as scum. I am never getting mislynched and people will sooner rather than later realize that I am town and then he looks good. And even if you lynched me he would still look good. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:58 marvellosity wrote: i'm not lynching bats today. Good boy. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:02 Eden1892 wrote: It isn't him siding with you, it's that he bothered to be involved at all. He went back and dug out quotes showing where you pushed your read on him that I missed in my reading. He's been arguing the case with me since before you even arrived back in the thread. It's not impossible for him to do as mafia, but I can't see why he would give a shit, I guess? Seems like if he's mafia he would be more than happy to let me keep yelling about lynching you, especially when Palmar and marv were in the thread saying they'd want to lynch Damdred if not you. I disagree. If Damdred is scum he KNOWS that I will not be lynched. He can push my wagon despite leaning town on me earlier and look extremely awful or he can keep defending me and not look awful. It is that easy. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:19 Eden1892 wrote: I meant with the "passive" descriptor specifically, sorry. I see where you're coming from on his vote switch. I think the passive part matters because it's the reason batsnacks keeps pushing on Breshke, and I'm not really sold on batsnacks being town. It'd help me get a read on bats if I knew where he's coming from. I could lynch Breshke today, I think I rather Koshi because I expect more from him though. This guy rants way too much in obs qt about town not seeing obvious mafia for him to roll town and be this apathetic about the game. If batsnacks is actually pushing for a lynch then the probability of him being town is way above average. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:24 sicklucker wrote: You said I just do random shit as mafia but you know thats not true. Yes you do. You say stuff that makes no sense for no rhyme or reason. You even make shit up that is completely and provably untrue. On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote: JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. No, it is not. You literally just played against me as mafia and I did nothing of this sort. What the hell? On February 06 2015 02:30 sicklucker wrote: THIS YOU JUST GOT BULLIED. NOTHING ACUALY CHANGED HE SAID DONT VOTE ME YOU SAID OK Yep, nothing changed. There was no case on me - there still is no case on me. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:20 Koshi wrote: When I was voting you N2 you were bullying me so yeah, you did. I wasn't bullying you at all?! | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:23 Koshi wrote: You were. I asked Artanis to get you modkilled but alas. lol, no fucking way | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote: jat why are you busy arguing with your voters instead of just showing them some mafia? Because I still have like 30 pages to read. | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:31 Koshi wrote: When do you not have pages to read? YEsterday you had to read 10 pages even though you were active in the last 5 of them? No. Yesterday I started posting before I had read everything. Exactly like I am doing now. I know it has to be hard to understand but if I am not posting I am probably not around which means I cannot follow the game. | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:20 sicklucker wrote: I dont have enough to go on yet we an kill his partner and I wont be the nk. I dont really even want to lynch him yet beause he has not given much and keeping him around ill read him better then someone like rstoulin or Ls. Wtf is this shit? Does anyone think this is a genuine read? On February 05 2015 14:27 sicklucker wrote: Jat also knows I only play at night. People are scum reading me for not posting during the day and hes just sitting there... Where is this coming from? I don't remember ANYONE doing that. | ||
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On February 05 2015 21:15 Breshke wrote: It'll do for now Im voting JAT and going to bed ill be here before EoD night Or this. Am I wrong or has Breshke not even mentioned me as a possble scumread before this? But somehow he is confident enough to vote me all of a sudden. On February 05 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote: it also feels like jat dodged Damdred's big case on sl a bit, he made a couple of short posts after it saying he was off and going to bed, but I dunno, I always read up to my last post, and I would have commented on it... of course i have absolutely nothing to prove this and he could genuinely just not have read it, it's just an annoying thing. I saw it. I even read it. But I couldn't be bothered to post again because I saw nothing wrong with it. | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:51 Damdred wrote: SL should be the lynch today. Firstly since sL came back to the thread he was only active before people started talking about really switching to JAT which thread sentiment started to favour, and he only re appeared once people noticed this pattern once again. Besides that he made it extremely clear that I should be the one to die since the lynch was trying to be pushed on him and its obvious mafia is pushing the wagon. But soon as people started saying the case on him was good he started to push the JAT angle and he voted Jat instead of killng the person who the wagon was being pushed off of. He is still selectively quoting and interacting with people. This guy is mafia. Also people who say the SL case is good and then vote with him give me the heebie jeebies On February 05 2015 23:04 Damdred wrote: JAT has a much lower chance to flip scum than SL does. You have hard defended SL for pages and haven't even responded to any part of my case or my response to your original reasons why hes scum when instead you directed the thread towards a different vein which is total bullshit. Now Breshke and SL are voting together when bresh said my case was good and I was town. You don't even blink when SL changes from Lets kill Damdred since mafia is trying to push off me onto him and all of a sudden hes super happy lynching JAT. Who by the way is always super try hard as mafia tone is super different from his mafia game. I like these posts. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:38 Palmar wrote: as I said, I'm reading backwards, I reached this: The sentence "I won't let you feign activity again" strongly, strongly implies that JAT has already made up his mind that sicklucker MUST be mafia in this scenario. In which case I had a quick look at the vote count, and I couldn't see JAT actually voting sicklucker at any point. So this is why Palmar is voting me. What an utterly terrible read. In like 90 % of my games I don't throw my vote around before crunchtime regardless of how strong my reads are. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:21 marvellosity wrote: you were scumreading damdred at the time, so maybe it would make you rethink your read if you saw nothing wrong with it? ... Yeah, but maybe I just wanted to sleep and worry about that later. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote: here's the scenario that's playing in my mind. Damdred is mafia and he's in trouble, makes a case on LS, seems really certain on it, everyone calls him out on it, he backs down on it. He makes a case on sicklucker, quite well presented. Fast forwards in time, Eden starts pushing for jat, gains some traction. Damdred comes back to the thread pushing his sicklucker read again, deflecting off the jat push Eden and I make legimitate counterpoints to his read, and Damdred goes completely nuts. Damdred+jat NB: all this is potentially the highest fantasy, but it still fits Yeah, to believe this makes any kind of sense you actually need to be high. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:24 Eden1892 wrote: LS, what changed? You had a progressively stronger scumread on SL and then as soon as the JAT wagon is gone you decide you have no case on SL anymore? This is a good post. The line of thought there is pretty odd. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:26 Koshi wrote: JAT people don't like us.  I totes town. Are you totes town? Because it is time for panicking otherwise. You are not totes town and considering that your vote is on me (?) I don't get why you ask me a question like that. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:36 sicklucker wrote: I have never seen Ls scum read so many people in one game day before. Apparently he thinks me and jat are on a team which makes no sense Holy shit. We can agree on something. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:37 Koshi wrote: The post he made in which he pre-wrote a response to Damdred was pretty cool. But dnu if he can't do that as scum. That's the point. Because otherwise he hasn't done shit and it is not even weekend. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:42 marvellosity wrote: doesn't really matter, we're not going to lynch him today So what? | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:43 marvellosity wrote: so nothing? It wouldn't hurt you to explain it to me, would it? | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:46 marvellosity wrote: can't be bothered, it doesn't seem important atm I guess it's not a very good read then if you can't explain it without much effort... Whatever. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:49 marvellosity wrote: your logic is bad you are bad | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:51 marvellosity wrote: "probably" cute I am hedging. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:52 marvellosity wrote: you are bad What a lame insult. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:53 marvellosity wrote: like did you ever push for palmar in imperial for not doing shit? he was really inactive there for long periods Well, I called him possible mafia before you shot me. | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:55 marvellosity wrote: just think it's a weird stance to take, given palmar looks quite a bit better than he did in that game at this stage Your thoughts are bad :/ | ||
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We should be lynching one of these people: SL, Breshke, Koshi with an outside chance of rsoultin/Onegu | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote: Why do you want to kill me when I obviously dont care. Like im about to vote eden because I know hes never going to die and go to bed Sounds like a good reason to kill you. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:03 Breshke wrote: Why do you ping me out for voting you when SL was but then list me and koshi on your would lynch list when a lot of what koshi has been doing is pressuring/throwing scum on me Because I am not a fan of associative reads in general and also SL really likes to bus for example. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:05 Damdred wrote: I'm up for an SL lynch since he seems to care and says he doesn't. or give bats his lynch Maybe we can be friends this game. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:06 Breshke wrote: Wait so you agree that me voting you even though SL was made sense? (other than the fact that i hadn't scumread you but ignore that) What? | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote: Not when I tried really really hard in two consecutive scum games and one of those you were on my team and busing me... You did not try hard and I bussed you because you were obvious scum. Marv and HF caught you very very early for examle. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:13 Breshke wrote: Nevermind you never said the thing i thought you said so this doesn't really matter anyway Like i really really want to vote SL right now because i agree with a lot of stuff damdred is saying its some good shit but i also agree with this Why did you vote me? | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote: Then I got out of it into confirmed town status and won us the game...? lol, you literally just afked and I had to make all the mislynches happen and carry your useless, lazy and arrogant ass through the game. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:19 Eden1892 wrote: Holy shit guys no one cares about who had the bigger mafia e-dick in Void Fine. This is exactly why I said I wouldn't be answering him on this earlier. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:20 Eden1892 wrote: i mean at least he's honest that's a pretty bad answer but i feel like it's so bad it's town, if that makes sense if it doesn't i'll just stop thinking about him It makes some sense considering that he never ever mentioned a scumread on me. It is incredibly retarded though. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:35 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I going have to sheep Damdred on his case on sicklucker for now like I rather lynch sicklucker than anything else because sicklucker as either alignment is the game stupidly hard especially at Day 1. ##Vote: sicklucker What? | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:38 marvellosity wrote: I think we should not vote sl today. i think we should lynch onegu i don't mind breshke wagon either Why? | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:40 marvellosity wrote: sl feels like what i call the "mafia mislynch of choice" that's my feeling Yeah? But neither Onegu nor Breshke is on the wagon. | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:53 sicklucker wrote: I dont even know the vote count I thought the people voting you are soooooo scummy?! | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote: ya im at the top of the list thats all I looked at... . Then I had to go to thread and say my thought about how scummy you are ... | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote: are you saying im lieing? Hey look its the list im at the top! QUOTE]On February 06 2015 06:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count - active votes now bolded for ease of viewing sicklucker (4): Onegu (3): marvellosity, Holyflare, Koshi justanothertownie (2): Koshi (2): Breshke (1): batsnacks, Damdred (0): Holyflare (0): LightningStrike (0): Eden1892 (0): rsoultin (0): marvellosity (0): Not voted (1): Breshke At the current vote count, sicklucker be walkin' the plank. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: [/QUOTE] This is one of those instances of you making shit up. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:11 Breshke wrote: I am starting to think me, SL and onegu are all town. Why? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: I was about to slam into Breshke but i really didn't expect that "i think we are all town" thing. Does this mean you are backing off of Onegu? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:18 Breshke wrote: No its just early for me The first game i played with SL, rayn had this sick read on him where yeah everything he said was bullshit but you could tell he believed everything he was saying. Im getting the same vibe from him here. He talks so much crap but i think he believes the shit he is saying. Onegu feels really relaxed and in my limited experience that generally indicates not mafia. This could be wrong because ive never played in a non newbie game as town so ive never had to scumhunt in a pool of more experienced players. Also the thirst to survive i would expect from scum isn't really there. So who should we lynch then? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:18 Onegu wrote: Yeah I have rolled scum against you twice, was pointing this out. Wasn't sure how you could forget me. Rolling scum is all you ever do tbh. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:20 Breshke wrote: I kind of want to lynch Bats because all he is doing this game is saying other peoples cases are good but just continually saying im mafia. If me onegu and SL are all town it makes sense that he hasn't been pushing my wagon as hard as he could because he doesn't really care which of us is lynched. Bats is an awful lynch. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote: So who we lynch today if it's not sicklucker? Why don't you decide? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:24 Eden1892 wrote: 20 of the pages of this thread are mine. I am so sorry guys. I will Be Zen from now on A+ | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote: Like I have no idea where to go, and Damdred has all these things i feel icky about Why did you change your mind on Onegu without him doing anything? I don't get it. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote: tbh I might just vote Damdred and let town do whatever it wants. which is bound to end badly. Man up. I don't think Damdred is a good lynch though. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:38 Onegu wrote: No it wasn't bats was on there first, followed by me. You don't push people until they already have pressure. This argument only works if everyone he pushed is town, right? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:39 rsoultin wrote: I'm trying to figure out what Eden's doing since I don't have the time to read and decide for myself >< Why? To sheep him? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:40 marvellosity wrote: Going to vote Damdred 1. stuff at the start of the game 2. over-certainty on LS 3. bitchfit at me and Eden 4. super-convinced case on sl ----> sheep on to Onegu/Breshke or whatever it was. The excuse was "i learnt that sometimes you have to sheep" but clearly the cases/pushes around in the thread aren't strong, fleshed out cases which are sheepable. it's totally the wrong time to sheep - disappeared for an hour ##unvote ##vote: damdred I am not a fan. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:43 Palmar wrote: jat is marv mafia? No. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote: is nobody else concerned that all of onegu's points happen after he voted for koshi and onegu waited till he was literally forced to make a case 20 mins before deadline to make one? or the fact he did nothing after saying he'd step it up or the fact as soon as I called him out he instantly responded? The bolded is a good point. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote: abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW How can you be so sure about that? What? | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:59 marvellosity wrote: the votecounts have all been wrong lynch damdred Sl is a much better lynch | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:59 marvellosity wrote: jat you're probably mafia lol what? | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:19 LightningStrike wrote: Well why you trolling us i you are town like this is againist your win con if you are town. Oh come on.... | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote: so breshke defends every wagon, probably mafia jat decides to vote on none of the relevant wagons and has done nothing and is probably mafia damd is probably town for his posting after deadline even though it shouldn't count but i'm going to call him a dick and game ruiner if he is mafia and did that no idea wtf bats was doing Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:25 marvellosity wrote: because you never did anything to actually push a mafiaread instead? True. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:27 Holyflare wrote: doesn't make any sense at all Yes, it does. It is literally right there. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:34 marvellosity wrote: sl is gonna be mafia isn't he See? | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: The last time sicklucker was mod killed he was scum but before that he was mod killed as town so 50-50. >_< | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:36 Holyflare wrote: damd town, sl scum gg No shit. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:41 marvellosity wrote: well we were all awful isn't that nice. Is this russia today? ^^ | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote: stop it Palmar just stop it if you are town please! Come on man. It is hilarious. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:41 Breshke wrote: Im a chief mate, I wont be shooting because it puts us in Mylo oh god... | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:45 Koshi wrote: If he is mafia this game is over. Always true. Always town. Only if he is scum vig. He could also be just vanilla mafia and correctly reading that he would be lynched without this unprovable claim. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote: I think we should lynch JAT tomorrow like his voting and stuff today was shit. Like he didn't go on any of the main wagons like he normally does as town............ lol, just lol | ||
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There were 3 main wagons. My vote was on one of them. I pushed the wagon. Your post is completely untrue. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote: pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Why would I? | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:52 Breshke wrote: I think people have a right to still be suspicous of me. What stops me from claiming this as mafia Rso? Like marv enters the night with a vote on me and there are a number of other people gunning for me id need to do something to save myself Exactly. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:55 Holyflare wrote: let's just tell breshke to not shoot but breshke should realise the underlying subtext that we actually mean to shoot rsoul but mafia will be rbing someone else because breshke knows not to shoot Sneaky. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:58 marvellosity wrote: the later he claims, the less believable it gets ^ | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:00 marvellosity wrote: god the only game i played well in recently was the one i had to replace out of. sucks so hard :< Told you you are bad. | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote: We don't policy lynch because it almost LYLO........... Adorable. | ||
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To Breshke: If you are the vig. Think for one second. In general our situation is the following: If you shoot correctly we do NOT gain a mislynch. If you say who you shoot beforehand you will probably get rbed anyways since rb is the only role that makes sense for scum to have in this scenario. If you miss we lose a mislynch and go to triple LYLO instantly. You NEVER shoot here. NEVER. Then considering the targets: There is a reason high profile players are generally not a good shot and that's because if you try to lynch them their alignment will become obvious. That's why shooting anyone out of marv, me, Koshi and Palmar is an awful awful idea. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing Really? There is no way this guy is town. | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote: that's true. so who am i left with? jat/rsoultin/HF/Koshi/LS? maybe that's descending order of likelihood I descending order? This is just embarassing marv. On February 06 2015 19:43 marvellosity wrote: I think Eden is going to throw this game for town. I feel it in my bones. Yes, me too. Because HF is mafia. | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote: yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling Sure, because you or Koshi wouldn't do this, right? On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote: I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Straight up lie. We had 3 wagons who were so close that nobody even knew who got lynched in the end. I WAS on a wagon and I most certainly pushed it while not avoiding any reasoning. On February 06 2015 13:45 Holyflare wrote: like he said he was catching up and then just yelled at people that were voting him instead Makes me scum how exactly? On February 06 2015 13:59 Holyflare wrote: 3 rsoultin 7 Palmar 8 marvellosity 11 Koshi 13 justanothertownie This is my poe list ^, assuming that breshke is a town vig and not a mafia vig which is still a big leap for me to make so there's either 2 mafia in this list or all 3 Think I can take marv out because he counter claimed miller when he didn't need to and he's been posting all game so that leaves rsoul/palmar/koshi/jat, if breshke IS a town vigi shooting jat would be the super optimum play imo because it could get us back into this game, rsoul I thought was mafia all game but she seems to actually be around and posting when she doesn't need to be and nobody else is around.... bit annoyingly afk when it matters though jat completely wasted his vote on sl instead of switching to onegu like I'm sure he would have done if he was town and I was yelling about lynching someone because he knows how great I am at this game but instead he just wanted sl instead and when he was catching up he said nothing useful and yelled at people voting him to get off instead of solving the game, also the eden case where it said jat made a list and didn'tfollow it up was pretty ok He can take marv out because he counterclaimed miller? lol If that is the reason you are not scumreading him then what the hell are you even doing this game. Again lying about me and my vote. "He knows how great I am at this game". ROFL This is all pretty bad but it is not even the worst thing HF has done. Will show soon. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:28 marvellosity wrote: it's not "embarrassing" and you just look like a total cock for saying it is. I don't care. You have no reason to call me scum and you know it. I expect Eden to be an idiot to some extent but not you. | ||
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On February 06 2015 14:45 Breshke wrote: So even if we add marv to the list but take out RSo and bats cos of townreads we are elft with Koshi JAT Palmar Marv If they dont have a RB we can kill all these people. I think marv is town but i get that he is a good player and im sure when he is motivated to play scum he does it well. Eden why is hf town? You shouldn't add marv to the list and you also shouldn't take rsoultin off. Terrible decisions. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:32 marvellosity wrote: no reason to call you town particularly, which is absolutely a reason to call you mafia It is maybe a reason to be paranoid but certainly to reason for me to be your #1 scumread. | ||
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On February 06 2015 15:00 Eden1892 wrote: I guess it's worth exploring one thing though. HF, why did you want Onegu over Koshi? That is not even the most important question. The most important question is: WHY THE FUCK DID HF SUDDENLY NOT WANT TO LYNCH RSOULTIN ANYMORE? After pushing her all day with great certainity and again after the lynch. But when the deadline came nearer the push just evaporated. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote: you can not be #1 on the list if it makes you feel better. somewhere in top 3 instead. It does. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:36 marvellosity wrote: who are 3 mafia jat? Any combination of HF/Palmar/Koshi/rsoulting would be my guess. If Breshke is real that is. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:35 justanothertownie wrote: That is not even the most important question. The most important question is: WHY THE FUCK DID HF SUDDENLY NOT WANT TO LYNCH RSOULTIN ANYMORE? After pushing her all day with great certainity and again after the lynch. But when the deadline came nearer the push just evaporated. And this is absolutely damning and the reason why HF is mafia. 100 %. Regardless of rsoultins alignment. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:40 Koshi wrote: Liking is diminishing. I will live. | ||
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On February 06 2015 20:51 Palmar wrote: Stop callin me mafia JAT. It's dumb. Like there is literally no way I have marv fooled to the point I'm his strongest townread. I could maybe waddle in the middle for a while. So if you're calling me mafia, you're calling marv mafia by association. Stop it. This is actually so fucking bad. Maybe. It's not that I have a particularly good reason to call you mafia but I also have no reason to call you town besides this marv thing. | ||
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On February 06 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote: you probably shouldn't be upset that people are scumreading you for the same reasons then, and you don't have a marv vouching strongly for you like Plam does. Yes, but I am not calling him my #1 scumread. I am admitting that I could be wrong on him. That's the difference. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:02 Breshke wrote: JAT why do you think RSo is scummy? Because I don't remember anything she said and POE. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:33 batsnacks wrote: jat is koshi/lonemeow mafia? Very possible. Koshi is usually the easiest townread ever. He is like an innocent child when he actually tries as town. At first I was sceptical because of his "let me survive to day2" antics and his appeals to marv (he always does this as town) but it is more likely that he is just mafia and not able to be towny. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:34 Koshi wrote: I am going to call bullshit on that rs read. Stray Kitten had 3 pages of filter in that game. How can she even come close to thinking I am him????? There is no way town makes this mistake ever. Why would a scum make this mistake then? | ||
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No. The fact that you are so certain about this probably means that you are right but the argument itself is far from convincing. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:38 Koshi wrote: Scummers gonna type bullshit anyway, why not make it totally ridiculous. This makes literally 0 sense. | ||
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On February 06 2015 22:45 Koshi wrote: It actually makes perfect sense. If you are scum and you got to make stuff up and you know it is shit then you won't double check anything. If you are town and you are legitimately trying to find scum you don't type horrendous bullshit like this. It's impossible. This is so wrong and stupid it hurts. | ||
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Bats is acting confident, not giving a fuck what other people think about him and also pushing his own scumreads. He is like 3/3 on his towntells. | ||
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On February 06 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote: towntells, koshi, not townreads or whatever ^ | ||
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On February 06 2015 23:17 Palmar wrote: JAT if you don't say that I am 100% town and you will never vote me on the condition of being lynched if you do, you are confirmed mafia. Fuck off. | ||
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Worked out well the last time you said this. | ||
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On February 06 2015 23:39 marvellosity wrote: that doesn't make much sense, because my strong townreads are practically always right, so the fact one would be wrong doesn't stop my very high hitrate with them Now this is just unfair. | ||
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Until LYLO maybe if it comes to this. I am not making a deal for the whole game. | ||
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Holy shit. And I always thought I was! | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:06 Palmar wrote: So what's the point then? Clearly you are mafia for sidetracking me into a pointless conversation. ... | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote: how as either alignment?? why is it "impossible" for town but very possible for mafia? it's just nonsense Good questions. I might have asked something similar. | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:47 Eden1892 wrote: JAT still isn't doing anything interesting, you could shoot him too. I still think rsoultin is town and I'm honestly getting kinda annoyed at people (I only specifically remember marv here but I don't think it's just him) who are needling her without trying to actually make a case/push for her being mafia. Palmar otoh I liked for his post on the subject, it seemed a lot fairer Still like LS, ride or die on Breshke true claiming and Holyflare mindmeld How can you seriously believe this? If someone is a donkey in this game then it is you. You are annoyed with the people needling rsoultin? Well, have a look at what HF did all game. And especially have a close look at the evolution of his read on her from "dead certain" to "not even mentioning" at lynch time to dead certain again. You are playing EXACTLY like you were in heavyweight. Trusting certain people for stupid reasons and spamming so much that you apparently don't even remember what happened in this game. | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:44 Palmar wrote: We're lynching one of HF and JAT tomorrow btw guys. They can help decide which one. Lynching HF sounds good. | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:56 Eden1892 wrote: How is it stupid to trust the guy I've been mindmelding with all game? Well over 90% of the time that guy is gonna be town. This is the exact opposite of my play in World Heavyweight, I didn't trust anybody that game. Yes, you did. You townread me for the exact same reason you are townreading HF here and it is a fucking bad reason. HF is a better scumplayer than I am. Seriously. Look at how he treated rsoultin. | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:59 Eden1892 wrote: Palmar what changed here? You had Koshi as maybe mafia and then you want to lynch between HF and JAT. Does anything Koshi has done this game sound like his town game to any of y'all? It doesn't to me at all. You guys really think that after all of his complaints in Void obs qt he would play like this as town? I don't know what the void obs qt has to do with anything but no, this does not look like his towngame. | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:01 Eden1892 wrote: It isn't a bad reason at all. I'll get burned from time to time doing that, but in my experience since Heavyweight I got burned more regularly by not trusting my strong townreads and getting paranoid about them. Why don't any of you clowns make a case against HF instead of just calling me bad for thinking he's town? How hard is that to do? I literally told you why he is scum multiple times now. If I have to make a bigger post for you to not overlook it constantly I will do that at some point. | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:03 Eden1892 wrote: He spent an inordinate amount of time raging at town throughout the game after he joined it for not catching mafia / seeing obvious mafia / etc. After how animated he was, it pushes the extreme edge of plausibility to think that he would be this apathetic and lazy about catching mafia in this game. Short of him deciding he's just not going to try as town at all anymore (in which case, you could see where this might distort my ability to read him...), the contrast is too jarring to believe he's the same alignment. This is completely true but I don't see why you need that obs qt for this reasoning. Whatever. | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:09 Eden1892 wrote: I am looking at your filter now and I see the weird shift on rsoultin and taking marv out of his POE list prematurely (b/c of miller claim)? That's not bad and I'll have to think more on it, but if that's the grand case on Holyflare then I really don't see what is stupid about me trusting him despite it, given a mindmeld, because none of that is something townies couldn't do. Because the rsoultin thing alone is absolutely damning. | ||
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On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote: I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Guilty consciousness. We are lynching HF tomorrow. I will even do what I never do and make a case if you guys still don't get it tomorrow. Leaving for a friends place right now so don't expect me back before the night is over. | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:17 marvellosity wrote: you literally cannot think i am solid town at one stage and then say there is no reason to call me town at another you can not say this Then why are you suddenly voting me again? Look at this shit and tell me she is town. On February 07 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote: like you don't randomly bluehunt when there's a claimed vigilante with 2 shots. it's so wtf But you think I would do that? lol | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:23 Breshke wrote: Actually its entirely possible they have a RB and because as koshi said even if i hit mafia we dont get a ml but they can just RB my shot tomorrow and it doesn't matter. In this scenario they cover all their bases because they can RB aand shoot for the other blue role and i still run the risk of shooting a town Or you just use your brain. You really think there is another blue role besides a 2 shot vig? I doubt that very much. And if they have a rb why don't they just rb and shoot you (unless they thought you would shoot me)? I mean your shot on Koshi couldn't have surprised them that much, right? And if they don't have a rb - why did they not shoot you ffs? It all makes absolutely 0 sense. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:26 rsoultin wrote: Do mafia shoot mafia? This is a legit question; do you have an instance where scum has made that play, because it seems entirely counterintuitive to me when mafia can just shoot two towns? Does anyone think this is a genuine question? "Do mafia shoot mafia?" Really? And what does it matter if someone has done that before. If Breshke is mafia he just shoots town and we are in triple LYLO. | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:46 Eden1892 wrote: yo but for real she's town let's lynch jat and bats swag This guy is giving his absolute best to throw this game. How surprising. | ||
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On February 07 2015 22:45 LightningStrike wrote: Game mechanics that's all she is asking lol...... Yes, but it is a useless question. It doesn't lead anywhere. | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote: ^ Like, I have no good reason to believe jat is town, and he should be the lynch, but I keep coming back to that and going meh. I have a reason to not lynch jat. But let's lynch him anyways. Seems legit. On February 07 2015 12:47 Eden1892 wrote: ...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot If I was mafia with Koshi and we had no rb then we would kill Breshke. What kind of nonsense is this? | ||
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On February 07 2015 22:47 Breshke wrote: Explain your reads jat not why posts are bad I will do that when I am done commenting on what was written since I was gone. | ||
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On February 07 2015 20:47 marvellosity wrote: batsnacks always, ALWAYS, *always* does his own thing as town. Exactly. | ||
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This is why he is mafia: This is the start of his rsoultin scumread day1. From now on she is basically his #1 scumread. On February 05 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: I mean if i'm honest I'm probably more sure about rs than damdy On February 05 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote: yeh rsoul is green when I just gave the best case against her ever On February 05 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote: rs is like the biggest mafia and hardly anyone is mentioning her and goes off making cases on other people instead On February 05 2015 10:10 Holyflare wrote: it is what it is, rsoul has literally posted nothing all game and it hasn't really changed i don't care what your gut tells you or not But when the deadline comes nearer and people are not all about lynching rsoultin he completely forgets about the read. He isn't decided on who to lynch and has MULTIPLE different targets suddenly that he keeps pushing really hard: On February 06 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: let's kill oneguuuuuuuuuu if i'm wrong you can flame me for wasting your time On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote: abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW On February 06 2015 07:57 Holyflare wrote: god this breshke is actually 100% mafia or something Notice how ALL of those are town and he can jump between them as much as he wants if he is mafia. No mention of rsoulting ever during all of this. So what has rsoultin done to make him forget about her? The answer is absolutely nothing. She disappeared like he will say himself later. Ok, so mislynch accomplished. Back to scumreading rsoultin immediately: On February 06 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote: it's funny how rsoul just appeared at deadline to vote onegu and then completely disappeared again so probably 100% breshke/jat/rsoul So, I point this out and this is his reaction: On February 07 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote: How have I treated rs? I've thought she was mafia all game and at deadline onegu was way more convincing mafia but then he wasn't mafia so i went back to talking about rs being mafia? Then where was this read during eod? He literally went after 3 other people and said nothing about her. If you want to know how town HF handles his scumreads eod look at void mafia. He scumread HTS and pushed her hard even though noone else really was up for it besides Kelsier. He didn't give a fuck about other targets - he pushed HIS scumread. Now he claimes he scumread rsoulting all game and then he does nothing about getting her lynched? There is no way town HF does this. He is INSISTING that he never dropped his rsoultin reads though: On February 07 2015 01:24 Holyflare wrote: No it's not he said my read progression is damning because I drop it when I haven't And then the real gem comes: On February 07 2015 02:00 Holyflare wrote: I'm also going to preemptively defend myself from a jat onslaught by saying i wasn't invested in this game at all until deadline so my rs read isn't very concrete compared to reads i was making in real time then. Seeing as I was mostly trolling, apart from the nagging what if on damdred. Not only can you easily see the guilty conscience - he knows I am town and that I caught him and will push him - but SUDDENLY HIS READ WASN'T VERY CONCRETE? Read the posts I quoted earlier again and decide for yourself if you want to believe this and keep in mind that he "scumread rsoultin all game" and "never dropped the read". This guy is mafia. I will show more reasons but this rsoultin read evolution is damning enough on it's own and I don't want the post to get too big. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote: pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want? On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote: yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote: I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too. Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie. Then his defense against me: On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote: Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote: which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight. | ||
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On February 07 2015 03:18 Holyflare wrote: I thought he was blue? I already told you that. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:01 rsoultin wrote: Interesting how you take my post that actually says I have no good reason to believe you're town and then construe it as I have a good reason not to lynch you. You think it's any more likely for a Koshi/HF team to leave Bresh alive than you and Koshi? It makes no sense for any player in this game to do that! "I keep coming back to that" good reason to townread me. Yes, it is more likely for a Koshi/HF team to do this since it was pretty likely that Breshke would shoot me or Koshi. And yes, it doesn't make much sense for anyone to do this but the only possible explanation I see is that they were gambling on Breshke shooting me. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:06 rsoultin wrote: I could have sworn this case had already been made earlier in the game, LS, or at least the point has already been brought up. Have to double-check who it was, though. Saying that people were actually pushing to lynch me Day 1 is complete bullocks. I was mentioned but no one voted for me except Eden. The only thing that even would make this case significant is if town HF always stubbornly sticks to one scum read as town, which is not something I can speak to. Yes, by me obviously. rofl | ||
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Breshke is town. Eden is town. Marv is town. LS and batsnacks are probably town. rsoultin is mafia. gg | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:12 rsoultin wrote: Give me a good reason to townread you, then. What have you really done all game? I mean, seriously? Cause this NK speculation stuff makes 0 sense for anyone as mafia. I can use that lovely WIFOM to try to clear myself, too. Like, why in the world as mafia would I keep insisting Breshke shoot either me or my scum partner, if we're not going to RB or kill him? This is nonsense. No mafia team is going to sit around with their thumb up their ass and go 'well, hehe, there's a 50/50 chance breshke shoots town so let's roll the dice and hope he kills jat'. Such a dumb argument. I love how you just keep attacking me for nonsense but completely ignore the huge case on HF. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:16 rsoultin wrote: You've already responded to my thoughts on your huge "case". Nice try. All you're even saying is that I was his scumread and he didn't push me at EoD when there were what? Three, four other wagons? That case is so flimsy it's hilarious. Good job making it look huge with all the quotes, though.  "All you're even saying"... lol HF/rsoultin final answer. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote: SL is here but doesn't care in the slightest about who gets lynched as long as it isn't him. You can also have a look at damdreds case on him. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote: Sure, I saw that, but I also see Marv (I believe) making the exact same argument for Damdred about pushing SL then not caring where the lynch goes. You don't even mention Onegu again. That says why you voted SL, but not why you had such better reasons to. And that case Damdred made on him was made the night before. I should know; it's why I went through SL's town games and chose to push SL myself. What is the bolded even supposed to say? Ridiculous. So what if marv made that argument about damdred? I didn't think damdred was scum and I also said that multiple times. And wtf does it matter when damdred made his case? | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:51 rsoultin wrote: You were waffling on SL and Onegu long after Damdred made his case, so that can't be why. Keep up. This post makes no sense. | ||
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On February 08 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote: I asked you why you had so many more reasons to pursue the SL lynch, and you tell me to look at Damdred's case? When well after he posted his case you clearly weren't sure on whether the lynch should be SL or Onegu? This really isn't that hard to follow, jat -_- It makes 0 sense. Damdred posted a case. There are reasons to lynch SL in that case. SL acts extremely scummy at eod. I decided that I have more reasons to lynch him than Onegu. It does not matter in the slightest if Damdred posted his case right at deadline or a hundred years ago. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:05 rsoultin wrote: So here's what I just don't get. And maybe I'm just dumb or something, but where in all that rigamarole were you so much more certain that SL was scum than Onegu, when it's clear you thought Damdred was town and voting Onegu would keep Damdred from being lynched? If I have a townread up for lynch I'm going to try to make sure he doesn't die, especially when I have no reason to townread the other two wagons. In fact, that is almost always my play on Day 1 because I rarely have a strong scumread, and even when I do people usually don't listen to me. I told my townreads on the damdred wagon that I don't think he is a good lynch. I pushed his counterwagon SL and voted him. What is your fucking point? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:09 rsoultin wrote: I think you see my point just fine given your answer. What in marv/palmar/hf's posting ever gave you the impression that you telling them the lynch was "bad" was enough to get them off Damdred? wat | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote: wow you both are acting dumb today. let me spell it out for you: jat is sitting here waffling between sl and onegu he keeps saying damdred is a bad lynch, damdred is town marv and palmar at the very least are so tunneled there's no way they're gonna move so instead of hammering onegu who has 4 votes with damdred to keep damdred from being lynched, he parks his vote on sl where it's not going to do any good? so even in a world jat where you think sl is more likely scum than onegu, what makes you so sure of that from one minute to the next that you're not going to vote to save your townread? I am acting dumb? So I am town, yes? And why do you keep saying my vote on SL is doing nothing when there were as many votes as they were on Onegu or even more for the longest time? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote: rsoultin if you're town, it could actually be jat/hf. they're just the type of players who would bus each other and try to make the thread think it's an either/or situation lol, never go full retard | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:18 rsoultin wrote: mafia can act dumb too your vote on sl didn't accomplish anything at EoD, yes or no? No. Because there were more votes on SL than on damdred at any time. Your whole line of reasoning is invalid. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:18 marvellosity wrote: jat, sl was never getting any more votes and at the end of the day an extra vote on Onegu would have made quite a big difference. i mean onegu got lynched but everyone thought it was going to be damdred. no-one thought sl was getting lynched there. Reread. SL had more votes than damdred and bats said he would switch to him too. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: well the point originally raised by HF is that you said that HF's point on Onegu was good but then you never shenannied on to him at any stage. Yes, because I still thought SL was more likely scum. Explain to me why if HF and you are town I would not shennannie as scum but would as town. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:23 marvellosity wrote: kinda annoying jat because part of the reason Palmar and I were on Damdred was that we both thought the sl lynch was bad, but you just sat on it Because I disagreed. I was wrong - true. So were you. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:32 Eden1892 wrote: I caught Koshi you stupid douchebag. The fuck outta here with that shit If you say so. To me it looked like it was Breshke who shot him. But whatever... | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:41 Eden1892 wrote: You think he shoots Koshi if I don't push the fuck out of Koshi near EOD and especially during the night? Who the fuck knows? And who cares? If you lynch batsnacks and me you are throwing the game. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:44 Eden1892 wrote: Lynching you to "confirm you're town" and then sheeping your reads actually sounds like a pretty great and definitely not-game-throwing plan. How fucking stupid do you think I am? You think I'd turn around and lynch bats without thinking things through if I ML'd you? Keep disrespecting me asshole What is wrong with you? Did you fall out of your bed or something? And yes it is a gamethrowing plan. There is no reason to mislynch anyone when the scumteam is open for anyone to see. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:46 Eden1892 wrote: And I care because fuck you asshole I'm not throwing this game at all. I engaged Koshi, I showed he was mafia, I pushed people to vote him come daytime and pushed Breshke to shoot him, Breshke shoots him and he flips mafia. I'm sick of your fucking disrespect after you've been sitting around holding your dick and shooting your mouth off with pithy smartass one-liners all game. Gamethrowing. Fuck you I don't get this rage at all. Well done pushing Koshi - have a cookie. My point was that scumreading batsnacks and me is awful. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:48 Eden1892 wrote: I woke up and saw this douchebag have the gall to act like I'm not trying to win the game after I CAUGHT THE ONLY FUCKING MAFIA WE'VE CAUGHT SO FAR. I even like your case on HF but I want to "confirm you town" first because fuck you Great. Then you are only proving that I was right with that remark. But seriously. Chill the fuck out dude. You can't expect me to be friendly with you when you want to mislynch me for stupid reasons. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:50 Eden1892 wrote: Do I need to go back and quote all the disrespectful bullshit you've been flinging at me all game? And then the audacity to act like catching Koshi wasn't a big deal when you didn't do jack SHIT to find him out is just unreal Look, if you would rather lynch me because I hurt your pride than the mafia I am presenting you then you deserve every ounce of disrespect. That's all I am going to say about this. Take a break, relax. And then let's lynch the scum in front of us. | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:57 Eden1892 wrote: The fuck I can. Wanting to lynch you because I suspect you is a necessary part of the game even if my suspicions are wrong. Being a douche and feeling the need to lace half the points you make with unnecessary toxic insults like "lol this guy is gamethrowing!!" is not. How hard would it have been to say "lynching me is a bad idea" or something like that instead? What do you get out of turning it into a dig at somebody? You're really sitting here acting like it's congruent to insult people for trying to solve a difficult game but not for those same people to get offended when you do it. What the fuck is wrong with you? I will ridicule people for having incredibly stupid reads. I never insulted you. If we are talking about insults look at what you wrote on this page so far. I don't think I am even close to the insult level you are sporting right now. And let us stop this now, ok? We will not agree and we will not be productive by discussing this any further. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:01 Eden1892 wrote: How the shit is "this guy is gamethrowing" when the person is OBVIOUSLY not gamethrowing anything but an insult in your mind Good fucking lord It is not an insult at all?! It is a fact. If you lynch me and batsnacks like you were planning to do at that point then you will throw the game. That is the entire point. It was not a comment on your play prior to that. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:05 Eden1892 wrote: Wtf is your definition of gamethrowing such that unintentional mistakes that lose a game = gamethrowing? Gamethrowing to me is needlessly losing an almost won game. Lynching batsnacks and me instead of scum qualifies as gamethrowing. I obviously did not accuse you of doing that intentionally. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:08 batsnacks wrote: It is really hard for me not to throw fuel on this eden-fire. Please don't. It is really really unhelpful. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? This so much. | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote: Most of his case was about him, marv. At least that's how I read it. Like, the HF dropping a read part and picking it back up again. So what? Does that make him scum? HF and Jat were literally accusing each other of the same thing...namely their reads on me and not pushing me. So awful. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote: Okay, so, the argument is that I'm HF's scummate playing badly. Let's just stop pretending jat is trying to say anything else here. HF scumreads me most of the night, then when I'm not in the thread actually doing anything and a lot of other people are, and yes, are acting more scummy than my being inactive could ever be, HF switches to them. Can he do that as town or scum? Yes. Does that mean he ever stopped thinking I was scum if he was town? No, it doesn't. Does him picking me back up when all his scumreads flipped town make him scum? Uh...no, cause as town if he's racking and stacking scumreads and I'm number 3 or 4 on the list, the others flip town, of course he turns back to scumreading me. There is nothing in this long line of quotes that makes HF scum. At best it's null. The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:42 justanothertownie wrote: The bolded. That is the stupidest bullshit I heard in a long time. There is also no way you are number 4 on his list after what he said about you earlier. To explain: He explicitly called you scum for being inactive at eod later. He also had a post where he said you got scummier with every second passing. So you being inactive should only strengthen his scumread on you. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote: The first point here is the one that makes my skin crawl. Jat demonstrably didn't have a strong preference for either SL or Onegu at EoD, but he did clearly think Damdred wasn't scum while trying to argue marv and palmar off Damdred's wagon. Who in this thread thinks that's gonna happen? lol Yet when it comes down to it he doesn't switch to Onegu to protect his townread. This is exactly how I caught Celestial several games ago. The second point is fine, but not strong. People have bad reasons to scumread people (see Eden's read on my emoticons) all the time. The third is just wrong because SL was not going to be the lynch Day 1. Tie that back into 1. Four I'd have to check, cause I don't remember jat's poe precisely, though I do remember a lot of people saying that poe simply reflected thread sentiment and was yawn-worthy. Five is a useless point anyway. It just assumes that HF is scum. And if you look at every single one of these points they're not actually about HF being scum, but rather jat defending himself from HF's points, and yet people are calling this a case on HF? You guys are seeing lots of text and calling it good. I just see jat trying to point the finger back at HF because he knows the lynch is going to be between him and HF today, and town loves to fall for these longass cases without really reading them. How can you say SL was not going to be the lynch when he in fact almost was the lynch? And if I think Palmar and marv are wrong am I supposed to just accept that they mislynch my townread? What a load of crap. The poe people were talking about was day1. I made a different one night1. btw. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:59 rsoultin wrote: So? That was still after all his other scumreads flipped town, and still was completely based on my activity level. Try again. wat He called you scum for being absent BEFORE THE LYNCH. And even if he wasn't he SHOULD HAVE scumread you even more instead of less. | ||
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On February 08 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote: I was a policy lynch at best, jat. Stop kidding yourself. Tempted to just lynch you first tbh. | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote: rs is pretty much gaining mafia points every second tbh This was way before the lynch. Rsoultin was not being active later. Still he didn't scumread her enough to consider lynching her anymore. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:02 batsnacks wrote: Don't do it jat. She's done more than HF today. True. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote: Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP The one my case is talking about is the one night1. | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 08 2015 03:59 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On February 08 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On February 07 2015 23:51 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On February 06 2015 08:51 Holyflare wrote: pretty sure a town jat would have switched to onegu when I was pushing for it[/QUOTE] Then we have this reasoning for scumreading me which makes no sense in the first place since I had more reasons to scumread SL than Onegu but even if we ignore this - why would I as scum make myself look bad by not following town marv and HF around (which I have done as scum before) if all lynch targets are town anyways and I could just switch as often as I want? [QUOTE]On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote: yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling[/QUOTE] I already commented on this post. It is just another awful reason to push me. [QUOTE]On February 06 2015 13:43 Holyflare wrote: I'm still 100% lynching jat though he's done a void all over again where he avoids all the wagons and reasoning while still agreeing with it. He did the exact same thing in heavyweight too.[/QUOTE] Flat out lying when I clearly WAS on one of the wagons and was also pushing it. Saying I avoided wagons in heavyweight is also a straight lie. Then his defense against me: [QUOTE]On February 07 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: It's absolutely not irrelevant because do you see him talking about rsoul at deadline? Absolutely not so if he is town then why does his read make sense to him when he did the same thing? [/QUOTE] This is absolutely irrelevant. I was not the one pushing rsoulting as my top scumread. [QUOTE]On February 07 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote: [QUOTE]On February 07 2015 01:26 marvellosity wrote: his rsoul read came subsequently, pretty obviously, and yours didn't so.[/QUOTE] Rsoul has been in his poe list and someone he could have lynched the entire game and he barely ever commented on her Like it doesn't matter anyway because his read is totally irrelevant if you read the deadline and if it's his only proper read this game when it should be pretty damn easy to poe the majority of mafia then he doesn't have much hope[/QUOTE] Another lie. He said this when I had just poe'ed the mafia team a few posts before this. Still going on about how I read rsoultin which has nothing to do with my argument against him. [QUOTE]On February 07 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote: which is a pain because my effort level is low and i know jat is just going to whine and make it difficult to lynch him[/QUOTE] He knows I am town and won't let myself be mislynched without putting up a fight.[/QUOTE] No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke.[/QUOTE] But they weren't. This is factually incorrect. Until like 5 minutes before deadline SL was the leading wagon. and then many people shouted but very few people voted. It also didn't help that the mods fucked up hardcore with their votecounts before deadline in a way that noone even knew who was leading the vote/being lynched. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote: Why should I care which poe you want me to read? The poe we're talking about is the one from Day 1 that you're citing in your case xP No, you're not supposed to accept a mislynch. You're supposed to try to prevent it not just with your words, but also with your actions. In fact, actions always mean more than words. And you were in the thread, so it's not like you didn't know that Onegu and Damdred were the wagons. Stop blowing smoke. But they weren't. This is factually incorrect. Until like 5 minutes before deadline SL was the leading wagon. and then many people shouted but very few people voted. It also didn't help that the mods fucked up hardcore with their votecounts before deadline in a way that noone even knew who was leading the vote/being lynched. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:09 rsoultin wrote: which page was that, jat, cause I just tried to find it? I am not doing your work for you. Look into my filter and you will find it. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:14 rsoultin wrote: I was very blatant that I was going to vote with Eden, jat. How do you mess that one up? wat | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:21 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I said multiple times that I was going to vote with Eden because I didn't have the time to read the thread. I was on the SL wagon. So what? | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:32 rsoultin wrote: Dude, no wonder I couldn't find it. This quote is from nearly 24 hours before EoD. I'd actually come back into the thread since then, and his comment about preferring an rs lynch was in response to someone trying to get him to vote Bresh. Did you bother with context at all? That doesn't change the fact that he should have scumread you for being inactive eod like he conveniently said he would AFTER the lynch. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote: It was you. Gotcha mofo xP You flatout asked me if I was sheeping Eden, lol. There is no possible way you didn't know that I was switching wagons. I fail to see what this has to do with anything. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:38 rsoultin wrote: Shoulda woulda coulda. Read his pages of filter on Onegu and tell me why he should have been scumreading me over Onegu. You may not think he believed Onegu was scum despite all the posts on him, but the fact that HF wasn't voting me can hardly be called alignment-indicative. Yes it fucking can if he tries to push 3 (!) people over his surefire scumread (you) at eod and then after the mislynch goes back to scumreading you. Yes, that is alignment indicative. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote: You knew that SL wasn't going to be the lynch, because you knew I was going with Eden, who was deciding between koshi and onegu. Yet you stayed on him anyway and just yolod it, letting your townread possibly get lynched. The fact that you keep repeating this incorrect statement does not make it true magically. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:41 rsoultin wrote: Surefire is a huge stretch, jat, and you know it. No. Read the quotes. He said he scumread you all game and never dropped it. I am literally done discussing this with you. I don't need to convince you that you 2 are mafia. | ||
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On February 08 2015 04:43 rsoultin wrote: It's okay, jat. I know you can't admit it This is the votecount a few minutes before deadline and batsnacks already said he would vote SL too. No stfu. On February 06 2015 07:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vote Count - active votes now bolded for ease of viewing sicklucker (4): Koshi (3): Onegu (3): Damdred (2): Breshke (1): batsnacks, justanothertownie (0): Holyflare (0): LightningStrike (0): Eden1892 (0): rsoultin (0): marvellosity (0): Not voted (0): At the current vote count, sicklucker be walkin' the plank. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:20 rsoultin wrote: For me it's mostly just how he was behaving at EoD and being pretty forgettable the rest of the game. Sure, he fought back against people scumreading him, but I don't remember him helping trying to solve the game or anything. (And yes, mostly I'm just going off what I've seen many others say in the thread about Jat's town game being infinitely better than this.) Pretty sure I've got him dead to rights on that SL vote though ^^ I literally solved the game today. On February 08 2015 05:22 rsoultin wrote: He and koshi were also the loudest players trying to keep Breshke from taking a shot. I find that reason less compelling, though. Because shooting was the objectively incorrect play. Had he shot me instead of Koshi then we would be in triple LYLO already for example. And town almost never wins in triple LYLO. | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:30 rsoultin wrote: Bats, I could explain it again, but frankly I've done it about 3 times. If you didn't agree with it then, you won't now. The point was not who he voted, but his reads at EoD which made staying on SL highly suspect. The case is clearly defensive. He has one point in the first section that's frankly weak, and the second section is all ways of saying how he isn't scum therefore HF must be rather than proving anything about HF. If he's town, then yeah, I'd agree he's trying to solve the game, but have to say he should stick to conversation cause the case just isn't good. (That's really not a dig at you either, jat, if you really are town, cause my cases get laughed at when I try to make them, too, even when I am right on my read.) There is no way you arrive at the bolded conclusion if you read my case. Absolutely no way. | ||
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On February 08 2015 05:36 batsnacks wrote: Yeah we don't need to have this conversation twice. I'm just curious why HF looks better than jat. I don't understand it and I want to, and apparently other people do understand it because jat has more votes. My guess is that LS and breshke are just afk and that's why their votes are still on me. Eden already said he would lynch HF and not me. | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:08 Breshke wrote: So isnt this game really easy. RSo, JAT, bats and hf If yoy could all give a read on LS that would be great. I already did. Thought he was town earlier and since rsoultin and HF are mafia he is also town by POE. His absence is annoying though. On February 08 2015 06:23 Eden1892 wrote: LS is not town Rsoultin soul read is too true. But JAT case on Hf so pure. Hf LS team. Hijole haiku I really don't get this soul read. | ||
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On February 08 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote: Oops I lied no break 4 me lol Yo if Hf and rso are mafia why is rso having to do the heavy lifting? I feel like there's no way Hf isn't in here to help her. Granted he could just be afk but it's worth considering What do you mean? HF is obviously afk. He would defend himself as either alignment. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:19 LightningStrike wrote: Since you weren't roleblocked and killed I think there is a doctor on the loose and there is no roleblocker for mafia because they got a Vig themselves. I think 1 of the KP was sent towards you but you were saved. Unless we get notified if we were saved because its vague I going to ask this question: Will we be notified if we were saved by a doctor? There is no way there are 2 2shotvigs in a 13 player game. No fucking way. | ||
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2 2shot vigs in a 13 player game? No way. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: There is only one logical explanation. They thought Breshke would shoot me so they did not rb him and they can rb and shoot him in the next night if they want. 2 2shot vigs in a 13 player game? No way. They might also have thought he would not shoot which is less likely but also theoretically possible. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:50 marvellosity wrote: i don't think it is, you quite clearly showed a willingness to shoot Koshi and by end of night both me and Eden wanted to kill Koshi that's an insane risk to take An insane risk to take if it seems Koshi is getting lynched anyways and if Breshke shoots me instead it is triple LYLO instantly? I don't think so. Way more likely than 2 2shot vigs in a mini. And maybe you said to shoot Koshi (would have to doublecheck but everyone said shoot Koshi/me basically) but I don't think it was obvious what Breshke would do from what he said. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote: Breshke said he wanted to shoot you, but said he might shoot jat because of what eden + someone else said then eden said he wanted to kill koshi i wanted to kill koshi meh. i think mafia can have a 2 shot vigi if we have one too and we also have a doctor, and they don't have a roleblocker, because it makes our roles 100x stronger No. There are never so many KP in a game this small. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote: show me any 13p mini with one 2-shot vig This only strengthens my point. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:59 marvellosity wrote: all 2 2-shot vigis means is you're creating a much faster game with more KP for both sides Which noone does ever? | ||
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On February 08 2015 23:00 marvellosity wrote: also no-one gives town 2-shot vigi in a 13p mini ever so precedent is a shit argument to use Not true. Noone would put in 4 extra KP in a mini. | ||
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On February 08 2015 23:17 Holyflare wrote: Yes continue the wifom instead of anything useful You will have to wait for that until I am caught up. Not that I think you are interested in doing anything useful. | ||
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On February 08 2015 23:26 Holyflare wrote: I got breshke to take a shot and on koshi while you just posted setup speculation instead of helping find mafia to shoot I am pretty certain that it wasn't you who convinced him. Pretty telling that you want to "confirm" yourself this way though. I just posted setup speculation, eh? Yeah, I did because it was fucking important. Shooting was the objectively incorrect play there and it could have easily gone extremely wrong for town. | ||
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On February 08 2015 23:34 Holyflare wrote: There's people reading the game updating things and there's you being static and not evolving Funny that you say this. I actually am less sure reading right now. Not about you though. | ||
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On February 08 2015 13:54 Holyflare wrote: Jat even cited an hts read from void which i only pushed in the last hour of void incessantly over any scum read i had in that game. Much like onegu this game. In fact almost identically. This is wrong. I brought up the HTS push to show how you don't care about the reads of other people or how big wagons are. That you are pushing YOUR scumreads regardless. Now you are claiming you always continued to scumread rsoultin but you pushed 3 people over her eod so you obviously were NOT completely sure about anyone but you still did not consider lynching her or even bringing her up as a possibility which is very unlike you. On February 08 2015 14:11 Holyflare wrote: It's awfully funny how A) jat never makes cases as town B) jats case actually contains lies about how i play town C) jat is somehow the only one that said the game is super solved when the nk happened A) Has to be the most maliciously bad point I ever read. What the hell. Do I make cases as scum then? No, I don't. Even if making the case wasn't extremely towny it certainly would be no reason to scumread me. B) False. C) This is not a bad point in general but since I made a damn good case that showed a very likely scumteam I think this is absolutely justified. On February 08 2015 14:30 Holyflare wrote: I mean like... I did just rebutt it a bit?? You did not rebut shit. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:34 Holyflare wrote: Like jat is completely ignoring how damdred was actually my scum read all game too (it fell off a bit during the day but came back at deadline) and how rsoul was afk so couldn't be doing more scummy things and how i evolved onto onegu read and pushed it. He then says I'm scummy for not pushing rsoul but maintaining my scum read even though i can't lynch 3 ppl in one go?? Like why is that scummy and it's perfectly reasonable to reevaluate after town lynches. Rsoul did afk right after the lynch and he's literally saying rsoul is mafia so I'm mafia for pointing out she's mafia again. You are known to bus like a motherfucker. Don't even deny this. And to the bolded: There is no way that HF believes that being afk does not make you more scummy. I pointed out a post yesterday where he said that she got scummier with every passing second and even if he did not say that at the mentioned point in time this still strongly contradicts this defense of his evaporating rsoultin read. On February 08 2015 14:51 Holyflare wrote: If you haven't realised this by the plethora of posts I've said all game that jat is mafia i don't really know what game you've been following You are dodging the question and on top of that all I see from you about me is OMGUS. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:53 Holyflare wrote: I just went through the case and explained the points. I'm asking if there's anything i missed in there that needs answering. Nope, you didn't. On February 08 2015 14:58 Holyflare wrote: I don't even know if jat is mafia but it looks really opportune that he's somehow done nothing the entirety of the game. Didn't even give a shit about helping breshke on who to shoot (tried to tell him not to shoot) even though to him i was OBVIOUS mafia??? And is somehow so sure the game is solved. I'm thr low hanging fruit for once! Does anyone seriously believe town HF would ever consider himself the low hanging fruit? rofl On February 08 2015 15:21 Holyflare wrote: If you want to talk about fucking mafia. Have a look at this gem.go to jats filter, press all so it's all on one page Ctrl + f and type in koshi Look how jat ignores all posts where koshi is poe'd and comments on stuff like damd only. He only talks casually about koshi and then mysteriously koshi ends up in his poe list of 3 over onegu/rsoul etc that were talked about all day?? Don't buy it in the slightest This is a straight up lie once again. I did talk about Koshi and even if I didn't there is no reason why he shouldn't end in my poe list unless I somehow had a reason to townread him. Did I ever say I townread Koshi? Nope. That's why it is called poe. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:07 Holyflare wrote: You're so fucking arrogant. You brought up hts saying that i don't forget scum reads and push them. I only pushed onegu at deadline and rsoul was literally just afk. I thought onegu was super scummy and then people jumped on onegu and he said some sincere sounding vt claim so i yelled to switch to a whim damdred. Rsoul became secondary in my mind to people present it's not rocket science. I then said she's actually transformed into a lesser read compared to koshi/you/palmar(whoishotyehfuckingright). I didn't "forget all about her" i pushed a read i thought was very mafia Yeah, but me shooting Palmar makes sense?! You did push Onegu, you did push damdred, you mentioned that Breshke had to be scum at eod. All townies. You never ever mentioned rsoultin even in passing. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm pretty sure many people scum read rsoul but didn't mention her at all at deadline not just me. Yes, but the difference is how sure you were that she is scum earlier. | ||
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On February 08 2015 14:59 LightningStrike wrote: To be fair I shadowed you in that game but he played but it seems odd about JAT indeed. Okay I siding with you I trusting meta over JAT's case now it's the only I can think of now. ##Unvote: ##Vote: justanothertownie This guy is just constantly going with what is the current thread sentiment. Wtf. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:11 Holyflare wrote: I am actually the low hanging fruit. You don't put onegu/rsoul in secondary poe over koshi who is a main scum read after never mentioning him. I don't buy it I can scumread him without mentioning him. There were other people talkning about Koshi (Eden?). | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:12 Holyflare wrote: Was i sure about onegu? Was i sure about damdred? If your answer to any of these is yes then you fall flat No. No. Not as sure as about rsoultin. And there is no way you are low hanging fruit in any game ever. | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:07 Holyflare wrote: Nah i wouldn't really do that... Although I'm almost never in that position because i just argue for people to lynch who i want. Jat seems much like a flaccid penis in d1 and n1, he's there but not really doing much and when push came to shove and it wad deadline he just didn't have the balls to push his read over anything else. When marv said he was lynching damd jat didn't particularly protest though, all he did was pick out 1 point that marv said and said he didn't like it and then didn't achieve much else. Much like hts lynch in void. I told marv multiple times that I thought damdred was a bad lynch and I DID push for my read over anything else which is what you were scumreading me for earlier (JAT did not switch to Onegu wah wah). You are just constantly contradicting yourself. | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:43 Holyflare wrote: Uhh can't really be bothered i just know he has his random poe out of nowhere and when i start to yell and marv yells about how onegu is a great shot for mafia jat just throws useless questions at it and ignores switching. Marv even calls him mafia at that point for how stubborn he was based on barely anything at all. I'm much more confident a town jat would follow us despite what he says. Which he immediately retracted but nice try. Why would I follow you as town but not as scum? I followed you around all the time in heavyweight. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:17 Holyflare wrote: No contradiction there whatsoever? Yes. First you push me for not joining your Onegu train and pushing my scumread instead now you are suddenly scumreading me for not pushing my scumread. Does not compute. | ||
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On February 08 2015 20:29 marvellosity wrote: This is the post I am talking about. Specifically the bolded but the whole of it in its entirety "I didn't push hard against an onegu lynch" - that's right, he was (tacitly) supporting/pushing the lynch. jat's stance was *never* that he was *against* the Onegu lynch. I think this might be some sort of slip, given how else he talks about Onegu in the rest of his filter from the end of d1 onwards. I don't think a townie should be arguing "I didn't push against the lynch of a guy i was suspicious of to lynch this guy i was more suspicious of" On February 08 2015 20:48 marvellosity wrote: read what i'm saying again. jat is saying he didn't push AGAINST an onegu lynch to lynch sl in that quote. all his previous posts suggest he was reading Onegu as scummy, and that maybe he should have pushed FOR an Onegu lynch. Read this in context marv ffs. even HF told you that this is a bad point. On February 08 2015 20:50 Holyflare wrote: I also don't really get the point you are making in that post. He agrees he didn't push onegu? Isn't it a response to rsoul saying he didn't push onegu to save damd? Rsoultin called me scum for not pushing Onegu when my townlean damdred was on the block. I rebutted that saying damdred was never really in danger of getting lynched and the only thing she could accuse me of is that I did not push hard for a SL lynch over Onegu when I had a stronger scumread on SL which I obviously didn't BECAUSE I was suspicious of Onegu. I don't see your problem here. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:20 Holyflare wrote: That's not true. I scum read you for not joining onegu and not really convincing anyone to stick to sl other than saying vote sl. Which is a contradiction in itself. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:19 Holyflare wrote: Like if anyone believes what i said was a lie why aren't they voting me and instead are voting you? Are you mad or are you just being super scummy on purpose? Are you seriously making this argument? Well, have a look at yesterday when everyone was voting you and calling my case good. No idea why anyone would unvote you after that tbh. people just tend to believe you regardless of how scummy you are I guess. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:38 Holyflare wrote: Sure I haven't done anything today, no. I'm still not mafia. What a convincing argument. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:54 Holyflare wrote: Look i don't care if it's impressive or not and you asked me a world where you weren't mafia and i can't really see one Which on it's own makes you pretty much mafia since I am town. | ||
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On February 09 2015 00:56 Holyflare wrote: If I'm mafia I'm pushing whatever the fuck i can, shooting eden or marv or breshke depending on my mafia team roles and controlling the game. I'm lost, don't really have a direction and busy so it is what it is. Maybe you would do that. Or maybe you would just do what you are doing. You are capable of both. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:01 rsoultin wrote: jat, same question you asked hf, if not hf, who? LS and you probably? With an outside chance of batsnacks but I really don't believe he is mafia. Or marv but I really don't believe this either. If Eden is scum this game we can just concede. That's never the case. Breshke is confirmed town. | ||
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I don't really think he is scummy today. But I am running out of options if I assume HF is town. Marv's setup speculation has been really awful but that does not make him scum. His whole attitude and how much he cared about the lynch yesterday make him a pretty damn solid townread for me. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:09 Holyflare wrote: Behaving weird. Not really solving anything and is lazy. Taking credit for the koshi shot when i sat there n1 CONVINCING him about koshi, pushing a weird jat read thing and more interested with me calling him town for eden than conversing about me and jat and then has no real opinion about the case when jat posed a case and i posed a rebuttal and then he says he wants to lynch jat to see if he was sincere even though I'm talking about it not being right. He's very dislocated. This is all not that bad actually. But I still can't really see it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:13 Holyflare wrote: Well his d1 play was towny and his d2 play is very lackluster and if marv was town and i was mafia i would absolutely be shooting one of those 3 n1. Well guess what - me too. Go through any of my scumgames and tell me I would shoot fucking Palmar. I dare you. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:23 Holyflare wrote: I scum read that dood and he's a useless pile of poop And I didn't? I took marvs wrath because I did not see his townread on Palmar! | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:26 batsnacks wrote: We would have lynched breshke and koshi. What they did is flashier and just as good. Marv is not a flashy scum player though :/ | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: What if there's only 2 mafia with a 2 shot vig and no town roles?? And then he shoots his one teammate? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote: I'm tellin y'all the best theory for the night by far is that scum marv fear-shot Palmar because Palmar gave him the town read and he didn't want Palmar to have a chance to change his mind The problem with this is that you are implying that town Palmar strongly misread scum marv. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:31 batsnacks wrote: I'm the cop, I check jat last night. He's town. This is consistent with my actions today. They are not going to let me live after I just solved the game anyway. Interesting! | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:34 Eden1892 wrote: Holy shit hang on. There is no fuckin way we have a cop AND a 2-shot vig. Oh my god And there is even less a way that we have a shot vig, a cop and a medic. So Scum does not have a vig unless it is breshke. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:43 Eden1892 wrote: yes but I'm selfish and want to catch the King IF we come to the conclusion that Breshke is mafia then we absolutely need to lynch him first. He still has a shot. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:44 Eden1892 wrote: so... we lynch marv instead is what i'm hearing or we could lynch ls No idea why we wouldn't lynch HF though. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:47 Eden1892 wrote: Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. 10 people left. 2 shot scum vig 2 other mafia. Scum shoots 2 town. 4-3 Town lynches scum. 4-2 Scum shoots 2 town. 2-2 scum wins. This doesn't make sense anymore Good point. IF there are 2 other mafia. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:50 batsnacks wrote: It does if breshke got lynched... which he does without the vig claim. Also not a bad point. Hm. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:50 rsoultin wrote: ummm I think you're forgetting koshi in your numbers, eden? unless you think there are four mafia this game @.@ which would make hts kind of evil lol actually I don't know where you're getting the number 10 at all? 10 people after the lynch and 2 modkills. Before Koshi was shot. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:52 batsnacks wrote: I would argue that breshke was almost certainly getting lynched up until the moment he claimed. Idk. One would think scum could at least make a different teammate (Koshi) get lynched even if they didn't manage to achieve a mislynch instead. | ||
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Will go eat dinner now and see who we lynch after that. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:57 Eden1892 wrote: oh. hmmmmmmmmmmmm yep it wouldn't be auto fsdghwg | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:58 batsnacks wrote: Either one is okay imo. Same outcome. breshke can't shoot and do factional kp in the same night can he? Usually mafia players can use their role and carry KP. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:14 LightningStrike wrote: My guess would be bats since he claimed so late but he also did this under some pressure. I also don't like how Breshke claimed Vig at N1 and it still finding it odd. Bats was under 0 pressure. 0. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:00 Eden1892 wrote: I don't see how we can forget it though. There has to be a pretty compelling reason for him to shoot his partner. I really don't think that happened Imma be honest I'm on board the bats hypetrain. Dude has played to his town meta 100% and then claims cop with a scan that makes perfect sense with his reads so far. What if the mafia forgot to send in an RB target? That would be a solid blooper nomination. On February 09 2015 02:03 rsoultin wrote: gah I really don't know -_- forgetting to send in an RB target with a claimed vig though, eden...that's a stretch when there was an NK I agree. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:08 Eden1892 wrote: Let's check off all the warning klaxons - In the middle of a heated discussion about what the PR claims mean, this post says nothing about them. - The post also makes no attempt to discuss anything else meaningfully. - The post presumes a mislynch today but does nothing to discuss targets to prevent it - The post claims VT again for basically 0 reason Yes, it is really really awful. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:18 Eden1892 wrote: is he in the UK rn? i have found the sleep schedule i derived for him absolutely bizarre if he isn't in the Pacific/East Asia sorry for making excuses for him but that's my guess It is like 7 pm for him and the lynch is in a few hours... | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: It is like 7 pm for him and the lynch is in a few hours... *5 pm I guess | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:20 Eden1892 wrote: let's try this. does anyone see a good reason for Palmar to have been the choice of medic dodge besides "marv is mafia and was afraid he'd come around eventually"? think about how well this played out for marv, Palmar mysteriously dies and no one can really explain why, Palmar tr'd marv before he died so marv is clear town because Palmar read him town i understand it's not obvious logic and it relies on a couple of assumptions, but truthfully what isn't at this point? and does anyone have anything more plausible? Ok, more tin foil hat: IF Breshke was scum then scum knows there are some blue roles hiding. Maybe they thought Palmar was blue. Otherwise I don't really have a good explanation. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:25 Eden1892 wrote: Well if Breshke is town even, medic dodge needed anyway. So maybe they thought Palmar was blue and didn't want just to shoot Breshke in the event of medic dodge. Yeah, true I guess. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote: Because a miller balances towns opness for cop... Kind of meh, yeah it does kinda. The problem is an aware miller also kinda defeats the point. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: So we lynch Marv today and form a plan for the next Day Phase? I am tempted to kill you if it is only because your vote is still on me. Just sayin. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:30 Holyflare wrote: You could still be gf for all i know gtfo | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:31 LightningStrike wrote: Okay you know what I going full Yolo and lynching Marv with bats this time. ##Unvote Vote: marvellosity This is like the 124235235th time this guy votes the popular target... | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote: Yes but eden claimed miller and marv had counter claimed him. Why the fuck would mafia risk that?? To be fair marv probably knew full well that Eden was making a play. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:36 marvellosity wrote: i think we should vote marv rofl what? ^^ | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:38 marvellosity wrote: HF/JAT final answer do what you like bro.... | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:41 Eden1892 wrote: guys. does town marv ever give up i want to go celebrate but i'm getting a mad case of the cold feet rn No fucking way. He is on the sickest unlynched streak as town. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote: Totes bussing each other jat...just like i bussed koshi too and told breshke to shoot into 2 of my team mates knowing we had no rb And then we shot that guy none of us town read #sickplays | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:47 LightningStrike wrote: If Marv is town idk why he wouldn't fight the people who are voting him that is odd considering he got a big ego from not being mislynched as town for a lot of games. Captain obvious strikes yet again. Thank you sir. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:49 Holyflare wrote: Pretty sure he mafia claimed Yep. | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:50 marvellosity wrote: no i hadn't read it. my vote is on mafia then. i will return roughly 5-10 minutes before deadline to lecture you jubjubs. And you're all going to go "lol marv never gives up at town" and i will gloat that i would rather break my unlynched streak to punish you morons than to fight this retarded lynch. and you'll go "yeah right" and then i'll flip mafia+ Show Spoiler + town No way. | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:01 Eden1892 wrote: I don't think Palmar tr'ing you before he died is compelling enough to clear you, and the other townies you cites as other sources (like Hf) you're either now townreading or themselves doubt you. To be fair until he claimed scum he had me fooled really well. | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I still think it's jat :p No comment. | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:14 Holyflare wrote: Hf in any iteration of scum team is wrong Don't know about that. | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:21 Eden1892 wrote: justanothertownie: Are you blue? No. | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote: True. I'm green OK, so the setup we're looking at is ?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x? I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo. But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is. What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there. From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv... I agree that both claims are probably true. They could have a rb though. | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote: Yeh It's jat and marv gave him Christmas cool story bro | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:18 rsoultin wrote: dunnae. hf and/or jat should answer these questions for us lol I don't know how this is relevant in any way? If people in imperial hadn't been idiots he would have been lynched for example. | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote: if he's quit before after putting a lot of work in as mafia, it's relevant No, it is not unless you want to tell me it would be more likely for him to quit like this as town. | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote: Oh HTS's post reminds me, sorry for going off on you yesterday JAT. It was pretty uncalled for. You the homie No problem. | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:15 LightningStrike wrote: As scum he seems to be shy and more focus on me than anything else in Metal Mini and did weird 180 read turns too in that game for example he called Coag town for how little he cares then Palmar said thats how Coag plays as either alignment did a complete 180 and called Coag scum for the same reasons. In New Years Eve Party Mafia he loved to sheep a ton which is a trait he normally doesn't do as town prior to that game and looked for inconsistency from other players for example he went after sicklucker in that game when sicklucker was our Town Tracker he called him out on his inconsistent read on me calling scum then shortly after that he then calls me null. He also did a 180 read change again in that game he called me town then he calls me scum for the fact I was defending town HTS. So what is your conclusion regarding this game? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote: That does make a lot of sense, tbh. And people keep asking why shoot koshi if bresh is mafia? But if you're right about jat and I was right about jat before the cop claim cleared him, then bresh was being told to shoot between two mafia partners. He chooses to shoot someone else, it's going to be a lot harder to explain. Stupidest shit I ever heard. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:02 Eden1892 wrote: ughh i mean i'll admit, it's weird that he claimed scum and then went back to making an effort to defend himself but i really do not think i live in a world where marv is town and just folds like that You call that an effort? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:04 Eden1892 wrote: not much of one, but it's more than i figured he'd do if he were really scumclaiming, y'know? hm | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:22 Eden1892 wrote: Me too. My next mission is to ball out like this with 80% fewer posts A+ | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:28 Eden1892 wrote: One of JAT or HF I'm not lynching bats Breshke or you unless something nuts happens Also the most concise version of my case isn't association at all: There's some other stuff from around there in my filter that I'll dig up if needed, but I really feel like that's good enough to lynch for No idea why you treat rsoultin as confirmed town. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote: Mindmelds with me all game we poe mafia at night and then I'm the mafia over the guy that made one case on a towny all game?  then he aint even pushing me still since a cop check changed nothing for him and everything for us?? The only reason I am not pushing you is that marv claimed scum. Wtf are you talking about? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:33 rsoultin wrote: +1 I hadn't even noticed, but where did jat's scumread on you go? You expect me to keep pushing HF over marv when he claims scum?! | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:36 Holyflare wrote: Still not mafia The more you say it the more I believe it. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: It is still a legit question though Bats why havn't you considered that JAT is a POSSIBLE godfather What do you expect him to do? Just ignore his check? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Of course???? Framer/gf/millers all possible in this setup so a cop is super weak Yeah, why even check people? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:41 rsoultin wrote: I expect you to be involved. Even Eden who is like 99.999999999% certain the scumteam is marv and ls is discussing other possibilities. You're just kind of hanging out. If marv is scum - great. If marv is not scum then HF is scum. Both could be with LS or you. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:45 rsoultin wrote: Ah, so nothing's changed except now you've added LS who everyone is questioning. Way to be original there, jat Yeah, because I haven't raised points against LS all day. | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:53 Breshke wrote: JAT do you think bats is reading you town for your play or the check Why don't you ask him? All I know is that I am pretty sure that bats is town. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:08 marvellosity wrote: lynch/shoot HF after I die 100% read. Dude, if you are town and don't fight this lynch I will be pissed. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote: Marv do you think that the mafia team is Eden, Breshke? >_< You don't even read, do you? | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:17 marvellosity wrote: I don't know how to explain it. The way he's treated me the whole game. The way he put me in a PoE list but later explained that I was 100% town (his words) the way he later fell off his read of me. HF knows me very very very very well. he knows i cannot play like this as mafia that's why when i came back to the thread earlier I voted HF in the votethread before i even read any of the thread (most of which i haven't read) because him voting for me is a direct scumclaim. Literally just a scumclaim. But only I know it. If you are town then HF is pretty much confirmed scum. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:19 marvellosity wrote: that's why you have to lynch me or him nto fucking LS LS is fucking irrelevant lynch him later if you have to We can lynch one and have Breshke shoot the other though. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck I need to yolo with Marv I trusting him. ##Unvote Vote: Holyflare Sorry Holyflare but there is a chance you might be scum but I listening to Marv now. And again and again and again.... | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:23 marvellosity wrote: jat, you fucking know i don't ever play like this as mafia. i can't. open my imperial filter and put it next to this one. they are not the same, nto even close. i can't replicate the cares. i can't replicate caring like i do around lynch. i can't replicate the flitting around. i don't councterclaim super-town eden as miller the whole thing is massive bs. jat, you know that HF cannot read me as mafia this game. it's retarded. You wanted to lynch me over him. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:27 marvellosity wrote: it is OMGUS. but it's OMGUS that makes him mafia there's a massive difference there's a shit-tonne of people voting me rsoultin. Like there were 6 votes on me or something? Only HF's makes him 100% mafia. can't be bothered to sort the rest now If you basically give up and say you will not defend yourself then every vote on you is justified and you won't get any information out of them. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:28 marvellosity wrote: like if I hard-pocketed Palmar for literally the first time ever as mafia, i don't bloody shoot him. meh, if you don't he will change is mind at some point though. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote: HF would also know this 100% HF is not a baddie. the rest of you are but HF isn't Screw you. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:33 marvellosity wrote: are you telling me it's not true? what situation does any mafia counterclaim Eden's miller claim there? Weren't you the one saying that Eden was obviously making a play? Not that this discussion is leading anywhere. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:35 marvellosity wrote: that was once people were questioning eden for why he claimed miller and retracted it it was obvious he was making a play once he retracted his miller claim Fair enough. | ||
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This would make some sense if they don't have a rb. Because they can't prevent the shot anyways and at least HF looks good later if Koshi is shot. And if I am shot they aren't sad either. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote: thing to learn about mafia is that mafia make mistakes Eden there's a couple of times where I pushed people and some minutes later thought I really shouldn't have done that. And I never get caught for that kinda shit. Because you rarely push anything as mafia. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote: by the way this is very kind of you because i'm pretty sure i've been rudest to you this game. wat You called me bad sson. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:49 marvellosity wrote: it just seems such a weird play when a mafia vig shooting town puts town in triple MYLO i mean christ Yeah, especially if they could just prevent Breshke from getting lynched by bussing Koshi or some shit. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:59 batsnacks wrote: SHOCK: marv is mafia HF is town and this post is lewd ??? | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:04 marvellosity wrote: na we lost because now i have to die You do? | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: Breshke shoot JAT and I going to be afk for the next hour or two. Kill this guy. | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:11 Breshke wrote: LS telling me to shoot someone when he thinks im mafia? lol Good point. | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:46 marvellosity wrote: it just means LS is mafia and HF was right all along about jat I would love to hear an explanation for this. | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:05 marvellosity wrote: my vote was on you before i went nuts because i saw HF voted me. essentially he was town and convinced you were mafia and i'd believed him and the things i saw before it all went tits up. I think end of d1 especially you were really weak. Even if he was convinced that doesn not mean he was right and you know that. He only scumread me because I was going after him. | ||
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No. Big part of his scumread on me is that I was attacking him. He literally said so himself. | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:08 marvellosity wrote: "only" = blatantly untrue there were plenty of reasons. "plenty" = blatantly untrue | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:09 marvellosity wrote: i'm not going to argue with you though, i'm just not You better not because you would lose this argument. | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote: it really isn't people can read HF's filter for themselves Yes, the can. Good night. | ||
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On February 09 2015 14:04 Eden1892 wrote: Oh wait lol Breshke shoot JAT always. He's the best pick for mafia right now + we might learn something about bats (depending on the flip) + we might learn something about the mafia (depending on flip) + if he's somehow town then we at least know that much instead of spending forever speculating about it + between marv and JAT I trust marv to bleed town more This is the stupidest reason to shoot me ever. You don't trust me to bleed town? I have never been mislynched in my entire mafia carreer. You also don't shoot for information in this situation. We need to hit scum to gain a mislynch and I am not scum. LS is basically scum in any world even if I was scum so shoot the fuck out of him. There is no way that I am scum with bats or marv like you are saying. No way. And even if LS WAS town - who do you trust more to successfully fight a mislynch? Me or him? Who do you trust more to figure the game out tomorrow? When I see the nightkills + a possible check I will be able to solve this game. | ||
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On February 09 2015 15:41 Breshke wrote: JAT it would help me read you more if you could try find a scum outside of LS I am pretty clueless. That's why I need to see the nightactions. Probably rsoultin? It could also be bats and he is just swagging on me because of our last game but I don't think this is very likely. It could also be marv but my gut said he is town all game. On the other hand we just let him live because of his 100% read on which he is never wrong. And he was wrong. You absolutely cannot shoot me here. You don't even learn anything if I flipped scum. And this won't happen because I am town and we will be in LYLO. Good luck finding both scum in that case. | ||
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On February 09 2015 16:14 Eden1892 wrote: Assume me or Breshke dies since that happens 9 times out of 10. Add in scum LS from Breshke's shot. You have yourself, rsoultin, marv, batsnacks and the other of me or Breshke alive. Where do you go from there? Sorry, was sitting in a train and my phone died. So, if I assume your scenario I would do the following: I would want to hear bats check and see how much sense that makes. Then I would try to figure marv out. If marv is town I am confident that we will be able to townread each other - we have been in similar situations before. Marvs miller claim and general attitude are points in his favor. On the other hand HF seemed to think he could be scum and raised some decent points. There is also the "koshi is a shocking lynch" statement when it looked like Koshi could possibly be lynched. Marv has been concerningly wrong this game. But this this why you dont shoot me OR marv tonight. We will figure the other one out and if one of us is scum it will be very hard to lynch one without the other. If you shoot me and marv is scum I know that you will never lynch him. I just know it. Rsoultin is "probably mafia" because she is too right if that makes sense. Remember when literally everyone said my case was awesome (because it was)? She did not only say "meh not that good" but she immediately ridiculed the case for being awful. Why? Because she knew it was wrong. If marv is town same story - everyone thought he was scum because he claimed scum. Only rsoultin still thought he was town. This could be a legit case of too much information. There is just no way that I am mafia this game. I would not shoot fucking Palmar after drawing supposedly town marvs ire by calling him possible scum. I would not go balls out after HF. Do you really think I as scum would think town HF would be the easiest mislynch there? No way. And even if I get him lynched it massively implicates me. It is a losing play in any case. I don't go after HF in general as scum. I buddy up to him. Compare this game to void mafia and tell me it looks the same. I dare you. I was absolutely not invested in that game which made me obvious scum and I am extremely invested here. If I had rolled scum 2 times in a row after that piece of shit game I would not put in this much effort. You just don't shoot me here. You need to hit scum and I am town. I was even green checked ffs. You don't shoot someone who will be able to bleed town if he is. You shoot someone who is more likely mafia anyways and even if he wasn't would forever be a question mark and a likely mislynch. You shoot LS. I need to start working now. See you later. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:01 Eden1892 wrote: i haven't even read this shit beyond "JAT confirmed mafia" but LS has finally done the one thing i needed him to do all fucking game which is to stop saying "read XYZ filter" actually read it himself and come to a conclusion that doesn't completely fly in the face of this game's events i'll read it before EOD to see if it's bullshit but if this is legit then LS is town and this game got easier It is not legit. He literally quotes random posts and says I am mafia. The only thing he says is that I am aggressive which is true but not scum indicative because I am probably even more aggressive as town than as scum. Compare my filter in void and this one yourself. There is no way you come to the conclusion that it looks similar. Or more similar than this game is to any of my town games. On February 10 2015 01:02 marvellosity wrote: of course LS's case is legit, it's a hard bus Dude, you are wrong and the fact that you are so sure about it is extremely worrying. On February 10 2015 01:05 marvellosity wrote: it's like being barked at by a dog, and i can tell him he doesn't get dinner for an hour because he only gets dinner after i've had dinner and it's the same every day, but the dog will continue to bark best just leave the animal to it I remember a very similar post in the shadow game where you were mafia and comparing town austin to your cat. | ||
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On February 09 2015 17:57 Eden1892 wrote: That point about LS forever being a question mark is pretty good. Frankly though I'm not sure I can leave it up to you and marv to figure each other out. There's a nonnegligible chance - actually a pretty decent chance in my book - that you're both mafia. That combination worries the fuck out of me because you're both hella good and I suspect I wouldn't be around to figure you out. There is no world in which marv and me are mafia. Absolutely impossible. If marv and me were mafia I would not have townread him the way I did early in the game. On February 09 2015 18:47 marvellosity wrote: jat is fingering rsoultin as mafia when rsoultin just looks very, very townie. If you can't rebut my argument then shut up about it. I am trying to figure out the game giving actual reasons for my thoughts and you just say: "this guy is scum for entertaining the idea that rsoultin might be scum." Get the fuck out. On February 09 2015 19:55 Breshke wrote: I agree so from your PoV JAT is like confirmed mafia Only if bats is mafia? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:18 marvellosity wrote: I can't wait until I morph into your scumread though You are on a good way with your current behaviour. | ||
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Yes, if you confidently call me scum without giving any reasons for it and without even trying to figure me out and this is like your 3rd or 4th really strong read that is wrong this game then I start having trouble believing you are town. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: can't wait till Breshke makes the wrong shot, mafia vigi hit their shot and town lose tonight it's gonna be baller You think I am scum AND there is a mafia vigi? How on earth does that make sense? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:23 marvellosity wrote: i know babe, i know you have to call me mafia here it's ok, keep it up I don't have to call you anything because I am town. But you are not working with me. You are not trying to solve the game. You have gone into this day with LS/JAT mafia 100% and are not reevaluating this in the slightest. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote: that's because you're mafia mr. "HF/rsoultin 100% so obvious on d2" Yes, I was wrong. So were you. At least I am trying to solve the game now. The fact that you are attacking me for my attack on HF is not only hypocritical but also completely nonsensical. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:28 marvellosity wrote: i'm not, but you were absolutely certain on d2 and now you are trying to paint it as scummy that i am certain now if you are town and you were certain then it isn't scummy for me to be certain now, WITH THE ADDITION of an extra flip gg The difference between my certainity and yours is that mine was earlier in the game and not in what is LYLO if Breshke does not shoot mafia today. And also that I had really good reasons to think what I think. I haven't seen your case on me/LS but maybe you can show it to me?! | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote: ah sorry, so i'm certain with more information my bad Show me that information. Do it. | ||
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Great. How does that make you 100 % sure it is me+LS? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Okay bats fakeclaimed cop and now claims medic. What the hell is going on other than JAT is Mafia? Just shoot this guy. I am tired of his bullshit. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:32 marvellosity wrote: everyone else is clearly town Well, then explain why this is the case if you would prefer that. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:32 marvellosity wrote: literally the most obvious bus i have ever seen in my life You are either playing a game that is so bad that I wonder if someone else is using your account or you are mafia. Wtf is this shit?! | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:34 marvellosity wrote: bats is playing totally to his town meta, pointless claim if mafia rsoultin looked mega town d2 eden town me town breshke vigi town becase triple mylo Rsoultin did not look "mega town". And I thought bats claim wasn't pointless if I am mafia? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: Like literally there is this massive thing with me and HF at the end of day 2 LS comes busting out the gate with a 100% read on jat he's literally driving a red double decker through the thread with this one Then fucking shoot him already. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: "omg i am so surprised by how bad you are marv, i have to take this angle as mafia, omg!" Ok, marv. Assume that I am town. Even for just a second. What am I supposed to think about this then? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:36 marvellosity wrote: bats has been town all game, i've said so all game, as have you i might add Yes, and I think that he is town. But I don't know that and I won't rule the possibility that he is mafia out like you do. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:37 marvellosity wrote: to assume is to make an ass out of u and me wat | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:37 marvellosity wrote: maybe bats can have 10% mafia and LS 90% if you like because bats/LS is still a 0% team, you are the 100% You won't ever give a reason for this bullshit, will you? | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote: i said why bats/LS weren't a team before That's not what I meant. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote: bats has a motivation to claim a greencheck on you if you are both mafia he has 0% motivation to fakeclaim if he and LS are mafia It is unlikely but not impossible. And like I said that wasn't even my point. I am not saying LS and bats are a team. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:43 marvellosity wrote: i considered everyone else they are town No, they fucking aren't. Unless you are mafia with LS. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote: no i take that back, eden will still be here ABORT You are hilarious. Scummy but hilarious. | ||
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On February 10 2015 02:20 Eden1892 wrote: JAT seems like the higher % play Explain. On February 10 2015 02:21 marvellosity wrote: it doesn't really matter, jat is going to be around all evening to persuade you out of it while i'm afk Damn right I will. On February 10 2015 02:33 Eden1892 wrote: I just said he's highest % play but y'all can't blame me for wanting marv when that dude is straight up getting carried and coasting on a miller claim that isn't that hard to fake Why am I the highest percentage play? That statement comes just right out of your ass, correct? YOu know what really is the high percentage play? To shoot fucking LS. Unless the scumteam is exactly marv+me then at least one of us is town and absolutely convinced that LS is scum. Does anyone really think LS isn't scum? If that is not the case he is the highest percentage play. That's not an opinion but a fact. | ||
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If you shoot me you will probably lynch LS tomorrow regardless of anything he says or does. If he is town you lose the game by shooting me because there is no way you are not mislynching him. If he is scum you still have to find the other one and if it is marv I really doubt that you will actually lynch him without me. That's just how this game works. Shoot LS. He is mafia and even if he wasn't you are eliminating one of mafias surefire mislynches. | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:13 Eden1892 wrote: We are not shooting LS because he's mislynch bait. That's dumb as hell. A vig shot is identical to a lynch here. Shooting someone the mafia want to ML is giving them a free hit. If we shoot LS it MUST be because we think he's mafia. I am literally telling you to shoot him because he is mafia and marv and me both saying he is mafia means he probably is. Ano no the shot is NOT like a lynch because you cannot defend yourself against it like you could against a lynch. | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:14 LightningStrike wrote: Okay rsoultin when I played JAT in Metal Mini Mafia he took the vote from 27ninjabunnies as like a joke at least tone wise as seen here: Then when 27Ninjabunnies wanting to know if her wanting to lynch JAT is bad he didn't seem mad as seen here: Then when 27Ninjabunnies explained why she wanted to vote him he asked a simple question and I getting just a confused from it: He seems much angrier here and Void than in Metal Mini when people wanted to vote him so in conclusion I think him being very angry at people voting for him makes him scum compared to his town game I played with him. Because in void nobody ever really tried to lynch me. Nice try though. | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:18 LightningStrike wrote: She tried to but you were night killed instead. Yeah, because people that are in any danger to be lynched usually get nightkilled. Come the fuck on this guy is the most obvious scum you will ever see. | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:33 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah how'd that work for Holyflare? Y'all haven't caught shit this whole game and you still act like you're entitled to choose the kill. And that I'm bad when I'm on fire this game. Unbelievable This has nothing to do with the alignment of anyone in this game. | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:39 Eden1892 wrote: JAT stop being an ass. How has this guy not even been warned for his constant flaming me when I disagree with him? The behavior rules are frankly fraudulent if he's not getting told off What? I never flamed you this game. Not even once. The statement that your last post has no bearing for anything game relevant is just a simpe fact. Maybe you are on fire this game. But even if you are - how does that invalidate what I posted? | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:42 Eden1892 wrote: It means you don't get to choose the lynch. Period Dude... unless you think it is me and marv LS is the best kill. PERIOD. | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:44 Eden1892 wrote: That or bats and one of you What? It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE for it to be me and marv. I would never ever give marv a strong townread if he was my scumbuddy. Never in a million years. I would also not clear batsnacks like I did. | ||
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1) why batsnacks is mafia 2) why LS is not mafia 3) why rsoultin is not mafia 4) how on earth it can be possible for me to be scum with marv. | ||
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On February 10 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote: Literally if I were town god and decided everything: • Koshi is lynched d1 • No confusion about Damdred and sicklucker dying = no modkills • Hf isn't lynched d2 - maybe we ML anyway but he's alive • Breshke can vig 2 other people We would have broken this game if I got to call the shots. But you and marv and your stupid egos have gotten in the way and screwed this up. You are the reason why we are where we are. Get out of my way. This is completely irrelevant to solving this game. You played a better game than us - so what? The only thing that matters is to win this game and not who has the biggest e peen because of what happened so far. | ||
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On February 10 2015 04:08 Eden1892 wrote: It's not about bragging. It's abou us again having divergent targets, and you trying to tear me down with insults to get your way. It's not happening. I have been right the whole time and I'm not budging just because you think you can run me over by being a dick. End if story. I AM NOT DOING THAT AT ALL. I AM ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN YOUR THOUGHTS. | ||
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On February 10 2015 04:10 Eden1892 wrote: Oh and now you're trying to be nice after that didn't work? Utterly fraudulent. You need to explain to me why I should care about your opinion when you've been wrong, suspicious and a dick the whole game. BECAUSE I AM TOWN AND ON YOUR TEAM YOU GENIUS. SERIOUSLY. | ||
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On February 10 2015 04:38 Eden1892 wrote: You see this shit? This fucking snarky bullshit passive aggressive toxic crap. I already explained why I'm talking about my track record this game. It's because I've been right all game when I follow my instinct WHICH IS LEADING ME TO MY SUSPECTS RIGHT NOW. I wouldn't be browbeating you about it just to shame you for being wrong. I'm better than that. I'm raising the point because my instincts are right and I'm tired of them being ignored. You should easily be able to see this, but you choose the least charitable explanation possible and take a potshot at me instead. And lol at you not flaming me. How many times have you called me bad this game? How many times have you called me stupid or said I'm game throwing? The only reason you haven't been modkilled for making this game utterly toxic is because no one cares about the quantity of your barbs as long as individually they aren't too rude. It's bullshit I am clearly trying to work with you and you just go "you have been wrong a few times and I am awesome so fuck your opinion". If your instincts lead you to your suspects then please explain why your instincts say so. That's not asking too much. | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:06 LightningStrike wrote: I been here just letting you rant it out like a good mafia you are JAT Also bats why did you fake claim Cop yesterday? I am not mafia and no matter how often you say it, that won't change. | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:06 LightningStrike wrote: I been here just letting you rant it out like a good mafia you are JAT Also bats why did you fake claim Cop yesterday? Why do you think he did? | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:16 LightningStrike wrote: idk it just weird play from him and idk he would fake claim cop in the first place and faking a green check. This is reminding me of Imperial with what sicklucker did in there. Why would he do that if not to save me? | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:22 LightningStrike wrote: He wouldn't if he was town. I think it's possible you two might be the mafia team based on bats claims and thinking you are mafia. YOU JUST SAID IT REMINDED YOU OF SICKLUCKER WHO FAKECLAIMED AS TOWN! | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:26 LightningStrike wrote: He did but I thinking of every scenario on why bats fake claim cop and fake claim a green check and sicklucker no offence to you bro is a really dumb town player. sicklucker does this stupid weird claims and shit as town but bats is smarter than that other the time he lynched himself. lol, is this real life? You just called bats dumb. | ||
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You are fearlynching me. That is what you are doing. I WAS invested in the day1 lynch. Otherwise I wouldn't have told people to vote SL/to not vote damdred. If I didn't care I would have just followed marv/HF around like I did in heavyweight. The fact that I stuck to my read is prove that I was invested in the lynch. I was sure about marv because I thought he had claimed scum and given up. But he came back and pushed hard so that was wrong. There is nothing suspicious or unnatural about that. I am town and you must not shoot me because we will probably just lose the game if I do. Why do you think LS is town? Did you read the shit he just posted? | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:38 Eden1892 wrote: Maybe I'm just a huge buster but I don't see the problem with LS. Like I see the problem with his read but I don't see why it makes him mafia tbh. It makes him mafia because he does not have a logical line of thought or rather he doesn't care to have one. He is only interested in figuring out what role batsnacks is not what his alignment is or why he did what he did. | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:42 Eden1892 wrote: And JAT it's not a fear lunch. Stop bsing smh It's a gut lynch. I just can't clearly read you town to mitigate my instinct with my reason It is a fearlynch. You said yourself you cannot differentiate between my town and my mafia game and this is why you are lynching me which is pretty sad btw. | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:30 Eden1892 wrote: I can't reliably differentiate your town and mafia games. You're too good at mafia and you never seem obviously town to me in the town games I had with you. | ||
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Answer my questions instead please. | ||
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If you read this: Look at who did stuff today and who didn't. I put in a shitton of effort, I showed with really solid logic that I am not a good shot and who would be a good shot instead. I even tried to work with eden but he just can't be bothered to think about the game or be reasoned with. You must not shoot me. I am town. I was even greenchecked so if I was mafia then bats would have to have checked the godfather/framed person out of all the people in the game. This is really really unlikely. Unless you think bats is scum with me but that is not the case. Bats is really obviously playing his towngame. Compare it to any town or mafia game of his and you will clearly see it. Example for a town game would be void mafia, for a mafia game FFL2. | ||
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Batsnacks is town. Eden is town. The final 2 scum lie between LS Rsoultin Marv You need to shoot one of them. Preferably LS. You absolutely must hit mafia today because we would gain a mislynch this way. | ||
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On February 10 2015 06:04 Eden1892 wrote: JAT if we should look at people who didn't do stuff today... Why not marv and bats? Because bats is most likely town? Not because of his claim but because of his play. Marv is one of the people you should look at because he didn't do shit. | ||
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On February 10 2015 06:08 Eden1892 wrote: Marv has done less than rso and LS by far. Yet they're ahead of him e en though you say look at who's been trying? I haven't seen rsoultin do shit today. And LS made some posts but the content of them is absolutely horrendous. | ||
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On February 10 2015 06:30 Eden1892 wrote: Then let Breahke shoot marv. If he's mafia you can be town. If he's town I know my gut was wrong It's not like I could make Breshke shoot anyone he doesn't want to shoot. I would shoot LS. But marv is not the worst shot either and certainly a much better one than me. | ||
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On February 10 2015 06:33 Breshke wrote: What changed from the first post to the second? First you are "clueless" then you basically have the scumteam on lock. If you didn't notice I did some digging in the morning, I put in a shitload of effort today thinking about this game/trying to solve it. And if you look closely my reads didn't even change that drastically. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote: You have played with LS before havn't you? Do you think it is impossible this is his towngame? I played one game with him where I was shot night1. I remember townreading him pretty early day1 and never really changing the read. I am not getting that read here. I am not an expert about his meta/did not read any of his scumgames but I feel like this game looks different from his towngame in general and some things he does/says just don't make sense from a town POV. Is it impossible for him to be town? Probably not 100%? But I deem it very unlikely and he is my best bet for scum. | ||
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Add to this the things I brought up today. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:24 Eden1892 wrote: OK here's my totally selfish and bullshit reason to shoot marv. You should shoot marv because I don't trust myself / the town to lynch marv tomorrow. If marv flips mafia though I think LS almost certainly gets lynched at some point, if not tomorrow then at 3p LYLO. it's actually the exact opposite of JAT's earlier argument, lol. Rather than remove the lynchbait suspect from the pool, I think it's better to remove the suspect who can argue himself out of suspect status, because if marv does manage to do it he won't be lynched ever. You know my opinion on this. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:29 Breshke wrote: JAT which of these is least likely which is most Marv/LS Marv/RSo LS/Rso Marv/Rso is the least likely I think. Not sure between the other 2 scenarios. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:53 LightningStrike wrote: He seemed much more motivated than his scum game where I played with him in Metal Mini and is more active than he was scum too. He also been trying ask a ton of questions and I know people will think I'm scum with marv but the reality is that Marv knows my meta as both alignments and ofc he would defend esp he defended me in Metal Mini vs Palmar when I was town when Palmar as town was pressuring me. That's no reason to townread him. Look at imperial if you want to know how much scum marv is able to post. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote: I never played with scum bats before so idk what to say about his meta. Care to link to his scum games? I gave an example earlier today. FFL2. You can find it in the database. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:57 LightningStrike wrote: Fantasy Football League 2 Mafia? Also scum marv is more non existent than this game I feel. Also yes I know he posted a shit ton in Imperil but that game was like 400+ pages. Yes. There are also other scumgames where marv posted a ton. Like the shadow game. | ||
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On February 11 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote: Meta is fucking fantastic. edit: not that LS doesn't overuse meta, but it's a great tool. On that note, don't really get some of the criticism of LS's play, looking back he looked really pretty town, made a decent case on jat-mafia when other townies were calling for my head, and actually listened on the final day unlike one townie who's been around a lot longer who shall remain nameless. A decent case? pls | ||
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On February 11 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote: I totally reevaluated. I reevaluated and you were even more certainly mafia than before. No. You called me mafia and called me mafia and called me mafia. No reevaluation. Not even the slightest doubt at any point in time. And I did not really call you mafia before that. I just didn't call you town. | ||
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On February 11 2015 20:50 Palmar wrote: I love how right I was when I didn't use meta or associative reads. You really weren't though. I am pretty sure I would have posted the same post or something very similar as town. I mean you aren't wrong to call me mafia but this is not why. | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:23 Half the Sky wrote: Also Koshi, I want to stress again that: 1 the modkills on 2 potential lynches were 100% justified and there's nothing scum could have done about that 2 setups don't take (potential) modkills into consideration 3 I explained my reasons for wanting a vig in my game 4 the setup was triple-checked If you want to propose how I could have done the setup, then suggest what you would have done, though I am curious to hear. Yes, the game was not balanced but the (justified) modkills made it unwinnable for scum in the end. If the setup was triple checked then the guy checking it should not be balancing games though. On February 11 2015 23:30 marvellosity wrote: At least the cop made the checks that mafia would have handpicked themselves on both nights. Some cracking cop play. True, but since everybody basically knew that we had no rb it was obvious that there were other roles and nobody believed the copcheck anyways. Also this not relevant to game balance. On February 11 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote: Okay, these parts, between this and what Marv said on the roleblocker, it's making a bit more sense now once I'm thinking it through. Yeh once the game started, once the miller claims started, that's when I realised that part, but the vig thing would have never gotten through in my mind without the modkills. So much appreciated fleshing this out <3 Yes, I realise vig is swingy. We had two possible setups with a vig that were approved and we opted for this swingier one, maybe I should have gone more conservative (the other setup was 1-shot vig/nerfed medic v a scum RB), but what is done is done, and I do find this helpful going forward. I had read your post on the balance, and I'm not sure where you get the "0.75 town role" but now what you are saying makes sense if you are counting that as another full out PR. A 2 shot vig in a 13 player game without a rb for scum. Just no. And then even a cop on top of that while scum only gets the weakest possible role with a framer. You cannot count on a miller to make the cops life harder if he is selfaware. The only thing a selfaware miller accomplishes is a near confirmed town and one less person for the cop to worry about. The other setup seemed way way better at first glance. | ||
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On February 12 2015 00:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll be honest and say I didn't pay too much attention to balancing the game. Went with some standard roles and figured it'd be fine. I also wasn't aware the miller was self-aware, so that was my bad. Koshi makes a good point on vigis clearing bad towns and that's something I learned this game. Koshi's still bad for presuming cell is strongly mafia favoured though. He may be bad but not for that... | ||
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