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rsoultin
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On February 09 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know how this is relevant in any way? If people in imperial hadn't been idiots he would have been lynched for example. if he's quit before after putting a lot of work in as mafia, it's relevant | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:52 Eden1892 wrote: And I really think LS is the last one. Like I'm sorry this is HF's town game and JAT's town game. And rso's town game. And the 2 PR claims make way too much sense for me to disbelieve them. I really think we got this ;o; i don't want to think the town puppy is scum. but you're probably right, on both counts. i don't understand why marv isn't fighting the lynch, otherwise | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:58 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin since game mechanics for scum vig is made clear do you believe that Breshke can be scum and shot his scum buddy? possible? yeah. likely? that's really the question, isn't it? bresh still being alive and not RBed doesn't make much sense there only being a cop this game for town doesn't make much sense I've felt like bresh was town most of this game independent of his claim, so that's what I've been going with. Can you make a case against him? | ||
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Do you have anything specifically about his play this game LS? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:17 LightningStrike wrote: He been calling out my inconsistency with my reads this game and also his claim timing was horrible claiming at the Night Phase and the fact he didn't get roleblocked or killed is beyond dumb if he really is the town Vig. I wouldn't believe a vet mafia team wouldn't kill a claimed blue esp a vig...... to be fair, eden, the bolded portion has been the major point hanging most of us up since Night 1 I think you're the only one who really hasn't questioned it at all, at least in terms of breshke's alignment? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:32 Eden1892 wrote: He still called Breshke town even after that. I quoted his response in a spoilerpop, check it. He immediately assumed Breshke was town b/c he said "you're gonna get roleblocked or shot" And he never thought Breshke could be mafia until everyone else did. This guy is mafia. lol, and I said bresh wasn't the lynch today when he claimed, which hf scumread me for. just because someone says "why would you do that when mafia will rb or shoot you?" doesn't mean that person believes they're confirmed town. in fact, I'd call that suspicion, especially with the trailing ....... afterwards but that's just the impression it gave me at the time what did you mean by that quote, ls? | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote: If breshke town vig - get ppl to talk shoot mafia then claim + get credit or don't claim and get more shots/claim if under extreme pressure if needed or claim n1 get rb'd?? If breshke mafia and under pressure claim vig get town read?. Die d2 if not claim. Only benefits mafia but would have thought they would claim rb even if they didn't have it.... hf, please use English ^^; | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Let's say you are a town vigilante in a setup with roleblockers. Why on earth do you ever claim when you have 2 shots and there is a rber instead of just talking about everyones mafia reads?? The answer is that you don't. You are under pressure to be lynched day 2 and have a provable night action role so there is absolutely no threat to you getting lynched. Now let's say you are a mafia vigilante who is under crazy suspicion and will be lynched d2. What do you do to get out of that? Claim a role. Otherwise you die d2. The only benefit to claiming is for mafia. That does make a lot of sense, tbh. And people keep asking why shoot koshi if bresh is mafia? But if you're right about jat and I was right about jat before the cop claim cleared him, then bresh was being told to shoot between two mafia partners. He chooses to shoot someone else, it's going to be a lot harder to explain. | ||
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i'm not as sure on marv as you are, eden. i literally am voting him right now because he gave up | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:47 Eden1892 wrote: Guys seriously how long are we gonna give it a pass because "it's LS" and when are we gonna look at what he's actually saying and realize he has no clear evolving view of the game state? This guy's targets all game have been: - People who suspect him - Whoever the popular kill is at the time If anybody can go back to his town games and find an example where literally every single target he's had has fallen into one of these two categories then ok, but this is completely what I expect from a newer mafiaside player This is valid, too -_- He has had the balls to go against thread sentiment in his earlier town games. Though I'd have to double-check to verify those people weren't the ones suspecting him, cause the case i explicitly remember was HTS and she was voting him. | ||
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He said that, yes. It's like anything. Do you believe him or don't you? I could say I'm purple with polka dots; doesn't necessarily make it true (though I am wearing purple). | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:55 Eden1892 wrote: Look at how that's immediately his response and how it makes total sense given that the first thought for most mafia players in that situation is indeed "oh shit, if I shoot wrong it's mylo, if I don't we get 2 lynches" True, the thought process is definitely townie, wanting to hold the shot. | ||
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xP oh, psht, it's not completely in outer space. of course you're going to say it's stupid | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:03 Eden1892 wrote: and if i do then fuck that world, maybe he should be plynched so it never happens again my case is NOT that bad no matter what he tried to say no, your case wasn't bad. it just didn't prove he was scum. honestly, I found his reaction to it more scummy than most of the things brought up in you case. course he kind of admitted to not really reading it lol >< | ||
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so 6:2 4:2 if bresh shoots town-5:1 scum if bresh shoots scum it buys a mislynch, but does nothing if he hits town if we're not sure on his alignment that's a big risk i think | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:15 Eden1892 wrote: you guys cannot seriously be entertaining rewarding marv's bailing out and not defending himself by not killing him. if he's mafia then you've completely played into his hands. why spend effort defending himself if he can peace out and spook people into not lynching him all while not saying anything revealing about his partners? if he's town then you've incentivized pouting like this later on down the line like if he shows up again and starts bleeding town, ok, but he hasn't yet. come on Eden, do you see a bunch of people bailing? Have you considered that if marv does return to the thread and shit town bricks, that it would be better to have a good wagon we can switch to in a hurry rather than everyone scramble like headless chickens? There's value in this conversation. Please don't downplay it. | ||
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