Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 8

D1 - His entrance to the game is very quiet and forgettable, opening with a question that doesn't need to be asked or answered here.. Looks like he just wants to look active and contributing early. Throws out useless reads that say nothing here.. Summary: Trfel is either scum or town(duh), my reaction was expected, even though RSo and Trfel both felt off on it.
From there, we get more nothing posts, one of which is him clearly stating his insights are trash. If your wincon is to lynch scum as town, I don't care how trash you think your reads are. You share them, you push them, you let other town tell you where you are right or wrong. Especially in a newbie game. This is how you learn. You dont just sit back and let other Townies carry you to a win.

Next up is the Hier Bridges reaction. Almost everyone decided that it was a bad idea for town and would take away from two main scumhunting tools: vote analysis and analysis of intehelpful s. I say almost because there was one person very onboard with it. Jar Jar. Next few posts he talks about nothing BUT until RSo and "excel testing" convince him it isn't helpful here.
He claims to see that the Bridges Method is scum-favored in that post. If that is the case, why are his next few posts STILL ABOUT THE BRIDGES METHOD AND TRYING HIS HARDEST TO GET HIER TO CONVINCE US TO USE IT. Makes no sense.

He towns Hier for most of the reasons we all scummed Hier. At one point, Trfel clearly states he will not town read Hier off of the Bridges strategy alone, which is exactly what JJB did. Keeping in mind scum know exactly who is town, it looks like JJB knows Hiers mislynch is picking up traction. So he does his best to make sure everyone knows he is the one Townreading Hier.Proof

JJB follows that up with sheeping thread sentiment. He wants to see more from Zlefin's reads(I pushed that) and ElyAs. He is continuosly sheeping and gauging thread temperature on where his next mislynch wagon can go, in case Hier defends himself out of his. At one point, without anyone asking him, he switches my read from null/suspicious to STRONG TOWNREAD here. PLEASE READ THIS POST AND ALL OTHERS IN HIS FILTER BEFORE IT. It is a rather weak explanation, no progression, no examples of where or how I scumhunted. But I'm strongest townread now! There is no explanation or prompting for this post...except that a few posts before that one, I posted this.

I clearly call for the thread, namely town, to keep a close eye on Trfel and JJB. Bam, his next post concerning me is a strong townread. Scum like to give free townreads to town for towncred. I really wish I had caught this unwarranted strong read earlier. Might I add that on D1, most people had me as suspicious or null. So JJB's reads are pretty original in that everyone else believes the contrary

Moving on, ElyAs scumreads JJB. JJB's stance on ElyAs is "I like his posts.". RSo picks up on this and JJB responds to it here.. Note that JJB can't clearly explain why he likes Ely's posts as town. As scum, you can't come out and say you like someone's posts because you know they're town. So he comes up with yet another painfully weak townread, though not as strong. He asked 2 questions(scum can do this too) and he scumread JJB. He had a reason to, if he remembers correctly. UM, WHAT? If someone is scum reading me as town, you better believe I know damn well exactly what post and what point was used against me. And personally, I will never, ever like a persons posts if they're scumming me(see: my Tere reaction). Not until I can explain objectively if I understand why they read me that way.

IRONICALLY ENOUGH, JJB KNOWS THIS. He says so as he takes up my gauntlet and defends me from Trfel questioning. Post..
He defends my being weary of Trfel's opening. He sort of lies in the next point. He points out his scum game and says I probably haven't read it. Feels like a temp check if JJB is already thinking about NKs. Who can spot a JJB scum meta? RSo(killed N1) and apparently myself, if I read his other scum game. I wonder if I would've died N1 had I said I did in fact read that game. Whatever, wifom. He says I'm damn good at catching him on out other forum. Thanks for the ego boost, bro, but I'm really not. I'm almost positive I've mislynched you more than that 1 time I caught you. 3rd point is he disagrees with my Zlefin case. Won't scum me for it but it is weak. OK. That's pretty null. But 4th point. My defensiveness could be scum like. But he uses meta to explain that I normally play this way, which is true. Its proven in my interactions with Trfel and Tere.

The main red flag is, why is he coming to my aid? I realize Trfel asked everyone their thoughts, but before this, JJB's read on me was weak. Strong townread but no support. It isn't lost on me that he knows I'm suspicious of him now. Him white knighting me feels like he's trying his damndest to pocket me.

After the reads on Ely and Tere, JJB proceeds, once more, to defend his strongest townread in me. Defends my Hier vote. I can't shake the feeling that if JJB's reads are all bad according to him, how am I his only correct one? I didn't really find my play leaning strong Town until post-Tere interaction. WHY IS HE TRYING TO DEFEND ME SO HARD? I'm not even in any immediate danger here. Then this post right here just screamed red flag in my brain upon rereading it. Banding together lynch deaths and night deaths? They have two totally different significances when it comes to vote analysis. Especially since it is generally accepted that NKs are WIFOM. Seems like a scumtell that all deaths look the same.

But mostly, for D2, I want to ping on his case on Silver. When it came to Ely and Tere, he had 3-4 bullets on each one, thought out, pretty solid. He was asked for a Silver read and forgot it for a while, even says so himself. Then he finally does and its so weak and non-committed, considering how weak Silver's stance was at that point. Here is the post. Calls her forgettable(parroting RSo), feels everyone else's case on her was good and she didn't really have any good cases herself. Hints that the most we'll get from Silver is from these recent posts. Gives her cred for a lot of effort in scumreading town, "which is odd because everyone was leaning town on her until then." He is still trying to give her BoD.

He eventually summarizes here. He makes excuses for her, then calls them excuses. Asks anyone scumreading Silver to ignore her early posts and read her based on her content post. And that first line of that last paragraph sounds funny. "I had Tere #2 in my lynch list before but I think Silver is more lynchable." So your #2 is still your #2 instead of replacing your #1. But now that Silver is pressured, he is setting up to bus.

I'd also like to note that Silver N1 dropped this gem. Just chiming in to make sure people know he's been scumread as town before. It looks like she's trying to deflect off of Jar Jar.

The next post of interest is his response to me wanting him to give me a read on Silver. He never does. And the post makes no sense, I wish I would've noticed sooner. Post. He asked me if I'm still that suspicious of Tere. I respond saying I will get nowhere pushing her after my argument with her and would rather look for the other, more obvious scum. His response? I am right. She is the most inactive, it'll be easy to mislynch her if she's town. Later flips could determine if she's scum.

WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT HERE? He is panicking. His scumpartner Silver is outed. Now he is Silver-centric, bus-centric and no longer trying to scumhunt. He forgot HIS OWN LINE OF QUESTIONING TO ME ABOUT BEING SUSPICIOUS OF TERE. He's THAT concerned with agreeing with someone else thinking Silver could be a mislynch. 2 mins later, he must've realized his mistake because he leaves the thread. NEVER GAVE ME A READ ON SILVER.

At this point, we go into D2 EoD and his vote on Trfel over Silver. He comes in, wonders why people are voting Trfel, hints that he hasn't read thread(scumtell). Says defensive Trfel looks scum. READS ARE NOT CONSISTENT. I'M DEFENSIVE D1 AND I'M TOWNED FOR IT. Then another post hinting at Silver being a mislynch. BUT, give him time. He might just kill the lurker. He's torn. He can't decide if he pushes the mislynch and outs himself, or buses his partner for towncred. Finally decides he can't get away with mislynching Trfel due to content, filter size...huh. Before doing that, he asked me if I townread Trfel for his filter size. Interesting.