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jarjarbinks
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Trf: you are really good at scumhunting. Your play is different from your last scum game. Despite Tere's critiques, I could see you being town. Rso thought you were too, and she forgot about silver too. Maybe this is me avoiding feeling awful if Trf flips town, but Silver does look pretty awful. They were both in my top four, but I initially read Trf as more town. Trf you have officially fooled me if you are scum lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Town: Shining, Zfelin Null: Elyas (only because of blue claim), Tere Scum: Silver over Trf | ||
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your point on silver is correct btw. I just lynched LM in my last game for being lurky and it turned out LM was town and we pretty much lost after that. Bad memory I guess. You try to not be biased but then you end up being biased. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Tere on the other hand went after Trf randomly after people started noticing Silver was in the game. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 20 2015 09:28 zlefin wrote: dangit shining, I was all set to be happy with this game and you had to go and say something like this to make me suspect you of being up to something. It's not a scum slip, because elyas is confirmed doctor. roles are revealed on death, so we know we've lost 2 VT and 1 mafia roleblocker. EVERYONE who's still alive in the game has posted after the lynch. Which means if Elyas is lying about being the doctor, then one of the other living players MUST be the blue, and all they have to do is counterclaim and town wins guaranteed by lynching them both. They've already had the opportunity to do so, and did not do so. Which makes Elyas confirmed blue (unless someone somehow didn't realize this, and is a blue, and hasn't counterclaimed yet, in which case, DO SO BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT). The only setup with roleblocker which we know to exist, AND a doctor, has no other blues. So therefore if ANY other player has ANY blue, elyas would have to be lying, which again is the counterclaim and town wins scenario. Yes this lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 20 2015 08:00 The Shining wrote: It is more than filter length. We have an hour. I'll find some examples of things that made lean town on him, VS overall play. Did you ever come up with a defense for Trf? I can't seem to find it, and I believe I changed my vote with like 20 ish minutes left. I know I did change my vote anyways, but you look more suspicious in my eyes now that you didn't really ever defend your guy lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 20 2015 09:46 The Shining wrote: Wow. Town. Please don't be stupid and start running off with tin foil theories when OBVIOUS SCUM IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. Meh, JJB, I could've easily voted Trfel instead of Silver. I never changed my vote, either. I was more concerned with EoD and last minute shenanies then filter diving yet again my strongest townread. And I'm very well aware of that, Zlefin. If you look, at one point in my filter, I mention that if someone is reading the post and is anything other than Vigi, CLAIM IT. THIS IS BASICALLY MY WAY OF REITERATING THAT. Call it town paranoia but the only things confirmed to me are NK and lynch flips. I've seen bad plays in which a CC that could win town the game never happens and we lose because of it. Now if you look at my vote analysis and reaction to Ely's claim in general, I'm acting and pushing on the belief he is in fact the Doctor. For exactly the reasons you just posted. Got it. For some reason I thought you were set on Silver instead of Trf and wanted to help defend him more. My bad for misinterpreting the second part there lol | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Reading through Tere's filter, it seems like she brings up silverarte regularly in the early game. Her reads went from slight townread to slight scum to thinking silver was in the mafia team. I could see a scum partner doing this, given the lack of posts from silver in the game. Question in her defense: Do you think silver in her mainish and really only scumread of the game, would go after her mafia partner? If she was struggling to make reads because she mafia, I could see it. But I wouldn't think that would be the smartest strategy for the mafia team there, when I believe the votes were still relatively split. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Tere I hope you play again. Your posts made me laugh a lot lol I"m pretty sure nobody else is ever gonna talk about their ladyboner lol You made this game that much better! I hope I see you again on here! Ely great job on your first game on here. If you want to see a joke, go look at my first game! You did a great job concerning the limited time you had on here and I hope to see you again as well! Trf, your case is a real slam dunk. Zach Lavine style. I'll go point out the points I liked the most lol | ||
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I honestly don't want to go to far into this because I want Tere to come back and play more games. You do deserve to know what points are the most important to defend yourself though. The point that struck home for me the most was Tere's switch on Trf when Silver was looking worse and worse. In Tere's reads, she clearly has Silver as very scummy and part of the mafia team with Trf. I think town Tere would have gone after Silver first, while telling people to look at Trf's filter and make her case on Trf the next day. Instead, she goes after a mostly townread (by everyone I believe) Trf with her case while the other scum is literally at the chopping block. The mafia Tere is much more likely to try to go after Trf to save silver for another round, while at the same time taking down one of the more active towns. Shining, I think your idea is a good one. We have time to relook at things just in case Tere/Palmar is town. I'm really struggling to do this because Tere looks so mafia right now, but I put down my thoughts. Trf has been making most of the strongest cases in this game, which really strengthens the argument that he is town. I think Tere's case showed how it might be possible that he is mafia, but his last mafia game is nothing compared to this one if he actually is mafia. He's been carrying the team on this game. I have been mostly townreading you throughout this game, and looking back through your filter, it's hard for me to see you being the mafia. If you were mafia, the activity you showed in Day1 to your rant is drastically different from your rant-now which would definitely help your end game which poses a red flag? The lack of people really scumreading you late game could also be a red flag. But I definitely believe your reasoning behind your activity change and your play throughout the game has been towny to me. Zlefin appears towny since D1. Looking back through his Day1 filter, I can see how town zlefin played D1 as well. I guess my only concern here would be that nobody has scumread him since D1 really (besides silver I guess). Most people have kind of left him alone. As a new player, you would think mafia would look at him. But he has looked very towny since D1 I believe. As far as carrying town, I think he has done the least out of the three (besides me) yet still appears very towny, so I think I would consider him very suspicious after a relook if Tere/Palmar actually turns town. I could see myself being mafia if I was any of yall lol I always get voted for in these games because of my play and I haven't yet. I had an outlier D1. I waffled on Trf D2. A lot of my reads were not original. My voting analysis has me as primary suspect after day 1 and still suspicious play in D2. And yet I haven't been scumread much lol | ||
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1. This is confusing coming from you about my previous games. You've been in all my previous games. I don't have a "meta scum game". 2. You calling my Day 1 reads weak is also confusing coming from you. YOUVE BEEN IN ALL MY PREVIOUS GAMES. Think of a read I had that was actually strong in your opinion. 3. This is sappy, be warned. I defended Hier mostly because I empathized with him. He came out with a strategy that say wasn't the best but it was different. He obviously was trying. Everyone comes down on him and makes him feel like trash. At one point I could have sworn you guys were going to get him to quit. And don't even think that he wouldn't, you guys already got two others to quit. In my first game on here, IN A NEWBIE GAME, you guys literally made me feel like crap. 4. In some places in your case, you insult my intelligence. In others, you make act like I can actually have a decent strategy. Please pick one. 5. I have played with you for 3 games. I've seen you constantly scumread anyone that scumreads you, especially day one. Granted, you can change your behavior, but that is why I defended you. 6. YOU'VE BEEN IN ALL MY GAMES! I ALWAYS CALL MY READS CRAP! Do you just ignore me in all my games? I just don't get it. I'm sure you have a great case that you will spend hours on, and I'm glad you are scumhunting that much. But please think objectively. Stop trying to sell your case and post what you actually think about it. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 22 2015 13:46 Trfel wrote: Jarjarbinks, good to see you here. Care to chat for a bit? I'm going to assume that the answer is yes. How much online mafia experience do you have? Have you played on sites other than TL? Jarjarbinks, please take note of two things. First, it's only natural to try to sell a case when you make it. If it's what you believe, you are going to argue for it as hard as you can, and portray it to be convincing as possible (of course it still must be 100% true, but you want to try and sell it at the same time). I don't know if I explained that very well, if you don't understand, I can try to explain it better. Second, it's extremely hard to remember how everyone played in every game, especially at the level necessary to make solid meta reads like that. This isn't an indication of The Shining being lazy, insulting, ignoring you, or anything like that, it's simply natural. It would be helpful if you provided some quotes from previous games where you said that your reads are bad, though. I left and was pissed lol I can go back and find where I call my reads crap in past games. This is my 3rd game on here. I played a kinda ish game on starkingdoms with shining, but everyone was pretty much inactive. You have been in all of my games too besides that starkingdom one. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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If you look at my activity, you would notice there is a large portion where I am gone during the week. I usually get back an hour or 2 before EOD. If you look back you can see this is relatively obvious lol Yes I made a joke there. You scumming me for that makes me feel like you are selling your case instead of being objective. You have to sell your case, but if you scum me for something weak or wrong expect people to see that. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 22 2015 23:38 Palmar wrote: Do you still think I am mafia jjb? Idk if your play really changes my view on you so far. It looks like you are trying to create doubt to get people to not lynch you. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On February 22 2015 15:30 Trfel wrote: Jarjarbinks, one more question. At the end of Day 2, you initially voted for me, and then you changed your vote to Silverarte. I read your explanation at the time, but while I am obviously happy with your decision, I'm trying to understand your thought process here. Is there anything more you can possibly add about this? The Shining, no guarantees, but I'll try to stay up. Day 3 song: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3Kk5tZSmo Because town needs to be logical. I'll try. Obviously I look awful for waffling there lol When I first got on, I was extremely surprised you had so many votes on you via your play. Tere's first case on you wasn't great when I was reading through, but her second case was better. After initially reading it, there were a lot of times where I could see where she was coming from. Your defense to her posts didn't help too much, because in our last game where you were scum, you attempted to hardcore defend yourself after being copread by LS. Hence the initial vote. I felt you definitely deserved analyzing because I initially read you as townish (with just one red flag in that EOD D1) and I should base my reads on you through my own eyes. I went back through your complete filter and I didn't feel as confident about lynching you as before. Honestly, tone reads aren't my forte, and you definitely had some fantastic analysis in there. People were sheeping your reads rather than the other way around for the most part. This is why I changed my vote. Zlefin's note that silver was also in Tere's case had also caused me to be less confident in Trf's vote. When he said that I was still going through Trf's filter and I didn't want to switch solely because of that because Silver could have been an easy mislynch do to her lack of thread presence. As to Shining's note that I kept switching at the end. I didn't unvote Trf. Somebody told me I didn't, hence the garbage in the vote thread. You who was constantly reading my case would know that and this goes to show that you are still reaching to sell your case rather than being honest. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Silver was the last one of my "top four" at N1. That is why I kept talking about how I needed to go through her stuff. I admit, reading my post on silver does leave a lot to be desired. I think my post was actually rather confusing. It was meant to all be scumreading Silver, but I added a lot of caveats. I tend to play devil's advocate when I make my reads lol If I need to clarify, my conclusion at the end was "I think silver looks really scummy, I need to look at Ely again before I move silver up to my top scum person" I have seen mafia randomly post a JJB is probably town post before. Trf did it many times in our last game which you were apart of and on his scum team. Silver is not Trf, but I could see Silver doing this. While I wasn't voted for on here, I think most people were scumreading me throughout D1 and D2, just not to the extreme that I am used to seeing. The only people that thought I was towny was Tere and Rso (who literally always defends me and gives me BOD). | ||
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