Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 5

On February 18 2015 13:22 Trfel wrote:
That settles it, you're getting lynched

On February 18 2015 13:33 Trfel wrote:
That's precisely the argument. It takes no effort to say what makes sense, what sounds right. But the goal isn't to lynch the person who says incorrect things, the goal is to lynch the mafia. I didn't see that in Tere's filter on Day 1.

On February 18 2015 13:38 Trfel wrote:
Stay up for a few more minutes please?

Thanks a bunch for answering my request. I took a cursory look at your posts, I'll definitely take a more through look tomorrow. (tonight I am reading ElyAs, tomorrow on to other people)

On February 18 2015 13:45 Trfel wrote:
Jarjarbinks, I feel like getting an accurate read on you is going to be extremely difficult. Allow me to explain why.

I feel like we base our play around completely different things, and we look for entirely different things. Thus, for me to get an accurate read on you, I have to do it by your standards, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to go about that. The biggest example of this is that you immediately dismissed my case on Tere because I myself am guilty of some of the things I mentioned in the case. I place a ton of value on subjective arguments and the validity of various arguments, as well as the level of critical thinking shown. Meanwhile, I'm under the impression that you look for more reasons that are purely objective, such as votes, night kills, and numbers. Is this a correct assessment?

I don't know if you are town based on filter length alone. I don't know if you are town based on potentially fooling rsoultin. I have no scumgame of yours to look at for information. Therefore, the more reads you can provide, it would help a ton. I really really want to get this lynch, and it's going to require ALL townies to raise their game. I know that I'm going to try and put in a ton more effort.

What is your overall conclusion on my case on Tere? Is it good or bad? How does this affect your stance on Tere and myself, and why?

Thanks a ton for being willing to discuss with me. It's immensely helpful.

On February 15 2015 20:08 ElyAs wrote:
Actually, I'm gonna elaborate on this.

Although I don't like Trfel's opening, he is clearly trying to start discussions so I can't scumread him for that. I'm just gonna keep this in mind for later, but not gonna vote for him day 1.

Shining posted a bit and disappeared, his last post was hinting towards "I'm gonna post more later", I expect you to do it. Until then nullread

Rsoultin discussed with Trfel, then with jarjar, she is asking questions, which what I'd expect from town.

jarjarbinks is sharing his insight on rsoultin's demand, but apart from that, not a lot of content. What do you think of Hier's plan ?

Hier only posted his plan, and I've given my thoughts on that.

On February 18 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
Okay, thanks. I'll have to accept the fact that you are probably town. Though I hope you understand that I still need to make a detailed check of your filter and your past games.

As to the last part of my question, how did this discussion and my case on Tere affect your read on me? And far more importantly, why? (note that there is no set right/wrong answer to this question, I'm interested in the explanation).

Then you can go to sleep XD

On February 18 2015 02:38 ElyAs wrote:
First, I've been following from my intention to check Hier's posts on Tere. Tere did vote for Hier really fast, but this is where I think I'm drowning in WIFOM. Would a newcomer mafia autovote on such an obvious wagon ? At that point the count was : 3 votes for Hier and quite the pressure building on him. I don't know where this train of thought is leading me, though.

Tere's case on Hier is also mostly stuff we have said about Hier, be it rsoultin's case or the OMGUSy vote.

I'm not sold on this, but I'm adding Tere on my lynch pool.

I think rsoultin's case on Hier was good and Hier's vote for rsoultin was misguided.
I think you're town, rsoultin, and I really hope it's the case, because if you're scum you're gonna be hard to catch :p

On February 19 2015 07:03 zlefin wrote:
I've for the most part (aside from the couple posts mentioned a short while ago) liked Tere's responses of late, so I'm giving her a town point;

here's where my point totals are now:
Trfel 0/2
Shining 1/1
rsoultin 1/1 dead town N1
elyas -1/1
jarjar -1/3
tere -1/3
hier 0/2 dead town D1
silver -1/1

as a reminder, not all points area created equal, it simply means I at one time or another had a feel one way or another. Some feels are stronger than others, and I haven't yet figured out a system for letting points decay over time, or if I even should have points decay over time.

I'm going to put this in another format:

Townish: Shining
Neutral: Trfel, Jarjar, tere
Scummish: elyas, silver


Question for everyone: In terms of the above 3 categories (townish, neutral, or scummish) how would you classify each other remaining player?
If you could format it similarly to above, so it's easier to read and compare them, please do so.

Jarjar, you seem to like data and tables, would having that data from each player be helpful to you, given that they're merely statements and not votes?

On February 19 2015 08:21 Tere wrote:
Yes, but I need to go to bed soon. What do you need?

(what I need from you is to reach out to us. I think I get where you are coming from but it's liking parsing Earth to Martian. If you can't speak your language to talk to me, pretend I'm your sister, that was very insightful, not perfect but a reasonable base to start from)

I'll get a cup of coffee. You are my second strongest townread right now so what do you need from me?

On February 19 2015 08:48 Tere wrote:


I think you've gotten muddled up, both those people have posted since then. Silver has posted a WOT that I don't feel is strong. The Shining has aggroed on me. If I am honest I wouldn't say either of them were lurkers, per se,

I wouldn't say I'm tunnelling Shining right now. I haven't constructed a case yet - I am leaving that quite deliberately. As the person who entered Day 2 with the most scum reads, I shouldn't be generating cases right now.

What I want to do now is sleep and give people room to post for 8-12 hours. I have opinions, but I would rather people came to independent conclusions. It's easy for scum to refute conclusions, less easy to drive their own agenda.

Having said that, I'd love a loose read from you once you've combed through everything. You are a town read, but your thought processes are somewhat alien to me. I need to understand where you are coming from more I think. Night night

On February 17 2015 13:27 Silverarte wrote:
Hmm, ok. So I'm going to start posting this stuff up as I get my thoughts in order (and hopefully without random copy/paste cut offs!)

Let's see. I'll post up thoughts on Tere first! (Then Tere, I'll give you my thoughts for everyone since I did see you asked for that as well as Trfel. Also, by the way? HILARIOUS gifs! Loved coming back to those.)

ALright, so back to the read on Tere here.

-Jump on the bandwagon with Hier. Later, seems relatively unaffected considering all the effort placed here. Note, I'm not going to stare sideways too much for that one with Hier. That was a lynch gone bad, or so it felt to me with the way Hier was reacting.
-Scumread list definitely is skewed to the most experienced players at the top (I did peek at your post Trfel before popping this up - darn you for being faster than me this round!), but I feel Zlefin may not be a bad read where she placed him. I think at this point, I'd really like to see what Tere has to say here.
-I think my biggest issue where Tere is, really is in the communication with Hier, the scum reading and then yes, the counter wagon that was met with little to no attempts. But, this could be attributed to tunneling. I just think a lot of effort went into this here, with little attempts to other things she said. It does come off as contradicting itself.


I agree with suspicion here, but I'm not sure Tere is an immediate lynch. Like I said, I'd really like to see what Tere has to say and go from there. I'm suspicious, but I some of the others catch my eye a bit more. I'm not all that unconvinced that you are on the wrong track, Trfel.