[M][N]The Void Mafia

On January 20 2015 05:24 Damdred wrote:
Never to early, and what oats did is pretty crappy in retrospect.

On January 20 2015 05:52 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Good point actually.

On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun

On January 20 2015 02:18 Damdred wrote:


Some, if hes town he yells lots

On January 20 2015 06:13 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Sounds to me like KelsierSC's point is that damdred sets himself up to townread Marv as soon as he starts yelling/being loud.

On January 20 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Greetings everyone!

Reading through, I've not played a game with Marv so I'm not familiar as to how he plays as scum. I find it interesting though that when the pressure votes are on, he posts a few things on Artanis' story. (Why?)

HF, on VA, I agree with you as to why he is looking bad. However, last game with Vayne, I voted him for being completely useless not helping us solve the game and Batsnacks told me that his D1 meta is basically dicking around and not caring. He was lynched and flipped town.

On January 20 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:


This isn't a very genuine post.

You paraphrased their early convo pretty poorly ("trololol" really?). And saying damdred is happy to townread marv as soon as marv starts doing anything is kind of reaching. That's not the impression I got when I was reading damdred's posts.

@damdred who's early vote was better vivax, yours, or hf?

On January 20 2015 02:04 Damdred wrote:
Maybe we can lynching Marv is fun its true

On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun

On January 20 2015 06:22 Half the Sky wrote:
Kelsier, I would say town.

I agree Oats looks bad, think him going to sleep looks like it's his excuse for not expanding on what he said on Damdred.

On January 20 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:


You could say the same thing on Lian, who also needed to sleep. AFAIK, they are both in Asia time zones. Lian posted ~2h before the game started, but the difference is that Oats actually commented on something relevant in the game and didn't give an explanation. He didn't have to write a novel, just a sentence would have done.

Which also begs the question why Vivax wanted to vote Lian.

On January 20 2015 08:42 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
You aren't very cooperative or insightful.

On January 20 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
I've already answered I missed oats small blurb until HF showed it

On January 20 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:


I already did and you already responded.

If I'm being honest it's not really a big deal to me but I thought it was better than the oats and marv votes so I decided to post about it.

I mean do you really think Damdred is scummy because of anything you said now that he's responded?

On January 20 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote:


Do you know as far as I know marv has never been mislynch day 1? And he barely ever gets lynched as town? If we lynch marv it's fun because he's scum

On January 20 2015 09:17 Damdred wrote:


Right now no, he probably won't show up till Tommorow. But when he does I will be

On January 20 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote:
I think you misrepresented me in that I meant to be on marv and the conversation you portrayed I think leads to biased reading of what happened.

Marv would be around when game started wouldn't be around now probably.

On January 20 2015 02:13 Damdred wrote:
I really don't think that Marv cba as mafia three games in a row especially last game.

Part of the reason I see you doing this is to vet his alignment and see if he comes in marv!town. If he doesn't and cba we get a mafia if he does we at least have lowered the lynch pool.

And lynching marv is fun

On January 20 2015 02:18 Damdred wrote:


Some, if hes town he yells lots

On January 20 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote:


What he said in opening made sense, but I'm more curious to know why he commented on vetting Marv's alignment and just a minute later, Marv is in thread to comment on Artanis' story, but Dam doesn't appear to push him on it even though he talks on the story.

On January 20 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote:
Marv knows his meta he is self aware of it. He really doesn't need damdred to tell him how to look town. This avenue isn't really productive as the answer is obvious.

However to hrs, art put a lot of effort into writing. So I wanted to give it a read he deserves we have 4x hours of interactions will be opportunities

On January 20 2015 09:49 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Geripts marv read is ridiculous. The guy has 4 posts. 2 of them are about Artanis story.

On January 20 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
I've been accosted with carp questions since I've been back. How do you tell marv is town? Because you just do. What does the thread have to do with any of this? If you have played with marv you know his town game if you haven't just compare.

On January 20 2015 10:07 Damdred wrote:
No answer why does it matter if thread knows how town marv would act

On January 20 2015 10:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyway damdred's reason is bad because you cant start off by calling someone scum if he doesnt do literally anything.
Hes gotta do something to be called scum.

The read should be, if marv does "thisthisthis" then hes scum, not if marv doesnt do "thisthisthis" then hes scum.

On January 20 2015 10:17 Holyflare wrote:



this just isn't true at all, marv has been mafia and we know he's mafia in past games when he's just done absolutely nothing at all hence why posts like damdred's make sense

On January 20 2015 02:18 Damdred wrote:


Some, if hes town he yells lots

On January 20 2015 10:22 Holyflare wrote:


Right, and in previous games where he's gone try hard mafia his next games contain almost 0 content or play at all because he cba. Hence Damdred's meta point of him probably not giving a crap holds some truth.

On January 20 2015 10:29 Damdred wrote:
Art and myself begged marv, to do something and we had to fight him tooth and nail. Marv might be trying to tone down his town game but it's still apparent, everyone knew marv was Scum in imperial other people just took priority as marv posted nothing that looked like his town game.

When someone is self meta aware it is not as big a detriment in the thread especially when that person generally can't be bothered.

On January 20 2015 16:50 Vivax wrote:


It does compute cause at the time Damdred wrote that I agreed but Kelsier pointed out a good different interpretion.

So either Kelsier is tring to attack Dam for that post as mafia, or Damdred as mafia with marv wrote that post to get a reason for townreading him like Kelsier suggested.

On January 20 2015 17:24 Oatsmaster wrote:

So you basically dont want to play with marv then?

##vote Vivax

On January 20 2015 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:

Vivax is avoiding actually playing the game.
You know, scum hunting and all that.

On January 20 2015 02:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
sup im here most of the day which is weird, have my first monday off in quite some time.

I think everyone should write a sentence about how much they enjoyed Artanis' flavor and those who can't procure an emotional reaction from me are probably mafia because they are too rigid from anxiety to create a beautiful memoir.

On January 20 2015 07:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
so yea I think kelsier is mafia any opinions on that guys

On January 20 2015 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:


uh yea that post is one reason. that seems really really forced, like i cant even begin to fathom a town person ever making that post it just makes no sense. His filter reads like the script for a new simpsons episode.



lel who cares

rest is mainly filler/unimportant but you can look through it yourselves if you want. idk maybe he's an awkward fellow its early to classify anyone as scum but just throwin it out there

On January 20 2015 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
and 92.3%, thank you

On January 20 2015 18:55 Vivax wrote:
Oh and currently thinking mafia is marv/Oats and one of Kelsier or Damdred.

Kelsier cause he suddenly started going after VA when there should be bigger fish tofry atm (marv/Dam/Oats). VA is a guy who in his standard trolls games so starting to attempt reading him looks like a deflection.

On January 20 2015 19:40 Vivax wrote:


First a policy lynch, now evaluating what happened in the game to determine if you're mafia.

For example while we were pushing the trololo wagon on you, you tried to get people to read Artanis story. So you don't look particiularly good.



Correct and you go into the townpile.

On January 20 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:

You should have seen some of yours in Carol :d

On January 20 2015 05:07 Vivax wrote:


Marv or lian today. Ojbections?

On January 20 2015 19:43 Vivax wrote:
Confirmed townies so far:

Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt

On January 20 2015 10:28 Holyflare wrote:
Undecided as of now.

On January 20 2015 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
Can people not read? I didn't sheep HF. I literally voted HTS because the post I responded to voting Half the Sky, I thought HTS had written, and it was incongruent with everything HTS had written before.

But obviously it was incongruent because Holyflare wrote it, not HTS. Hence my instant reaction and general amusement at my misread when I noticed my mistake.

On January 20 2015 20:32 marvellosity wrote:
Do you think he believes what he's writing, Kelsier?

Vivax has repeatedly ignored my clarifications.

On January 20 2015 20:37 Vivax wrote:
HTS,Vayne, Lian, Kelsier, Oats, SL, Coyote and Alakaslam (?) Probably all town.

Read my analyses, my exchanges, my conclusions, and look at how Damdred Marv and HF will try to deal with the pressure, and if we lynch one of them today, we win the game.

On January 20 2015 21:16 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I think it is scandalous how marv is just sheeping Holyflare on HTS.

On January 20 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote:
Marv the pressure vote is doing what I want it to so no your not getting unvoted yet. I feel like your leaning more town but all your doing is omgusing a very obvious town so no I cant unjustifie unvoting you yet.
When I unvote you its when im sure your town and never have to worry about you.

I dont like how lians getting a free pass here when hes trying to policy lynch a player better then kush.
I cant remember.

On January 20 2015 21:34 batsnacks wrote:
Does anyone agree with vivax?

Would anyone care if I said I agreed with him and will probably sheep him?

On January 20 2015 21:48 sicklucker wrote:
Ya bats is the only one who looked scummy here. Vivax always makes up reasons to scum read people nothing new here

On January 20 2015 21:53 Vivax wrote:


In Imperial I scumread you, my mistake was not to scumread Damdred and Artanis.

This game:
When I read through the game and made those long posts I simply connected the patterns of what I saw, trying to reach a conclusion.

My next task would be to see if a Kelsier, Damdred, HF scumteam would make more sense.
I'm still curious as to why you aren't suspicious of HF and Damdred though, since after I took you out of the equation, you have no idea why HF is calling you scum and that doesn't seem to bother you.

On January 20 2015 22:01 sicklucker wrote:


No one talked about him

On January 20 2015 19:24 liancourt wrote:
At least we know vivax is town

On January 20 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
I'm pretty confident on one mafia, but you're gonna have to wait for those pearls of wisdom until tomorrow.

On January 20 2015 22:30 marvellosity wrote:
Kels, you're going to have to sheep me this game babyboy.

On January 20 2015 22:31 marvellosity wrote:

Do I look the same to you this game?

On January 20 2015 22:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Kels, not sure if you're still in thread, but you said earlier you wanted to talk on Lian. Your thoughts on him?

On January 20 2015 22:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

What do you think about SL now? Your townread marv seems to be scumreading him.

On January 20 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
Kelsier, note the below quote came *after* I dropped my wall of text on Vivax:

into:

Does this look like a natural progression to you?

On January 20 2015 23:09 marvellosity wrote:

Come on, Kelsier.

sl posted twice after you invited him to talk about lian. Neither time to address you about lian. You can see that. I can see that. So why are you saying "i'm not even sure if he's in the thread", when he was clearly in the thread to post after your invitation.

What gives?

On January 20 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:

sl: no-one is talking about lian
Kelsier: let's talk about lian
sl: lol marv is town lolol
sl: you're all baddies for mafiareading me, byes

why am I having to rehash this for you??

On January 20 2015 23:18 Holyflare wrote:
that whole post just seems really weird kelsier and I can't really explain it other than looking a bit like a fake agreement

On January 20 2015 23:21 sicklucker wrote:


Ksc hes me not "sidestepping" you. I would have talked more but I was doing something im here now

On January 20 2015 23:23 Vivax wrote:
I'll just sheep marv and HF on SL today and if we get a town flip I'm rolling up my theory again.

If SL flips scum I'm scumreading Kelsier for him being oblivious to the points on SL AND for being on the sideleines defending marv when we were fighting. Cause that's the sort of thing scum does.

On January 20 2015 23:24 sicklucker wrote:
So last game we play. we both play super bad. But after the games over he has no negative things to say. But the second were in a new game together hes policy lynching me? Da fuck its too convenient,

Me and lian were the biggest contributers to the carol of the bells game alone with like hts. ( whos not doing much)
Its weird for lian to suggest im not capable of helping town when I was the second most person who wanted to lynch Hf in that game and we solved it.

On January 20 2015 23:29 sicklucker wrote:


i think vivax agreed with me that marvs trying too hard to be scum. I think if someone didnt reach this conclusion there hella bad

On January 21 2015 00:27 Holyflare wrote:
holy shit this is what i'm talking about, I even quoted the post where he did bring it up end game!?!?!?!

On January 21 2015 00:44 Damdred wrote:


Yea because you are getting voted, and self meta to me looks scummy *shrug*

On January 21 2015 00:47 Damdred wrote:


SL described his town play would normally be and was like ARENT I DOING THIS.

That's a form of self-metaing

On January 21 2015 01:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred, that's why I've been scumreading SL as well, he hadn't been looking for scum from the off.
Catching up, sidestepping HF when he did has made him look even worse.

Oats on the other hand has since picked it up though and same with Marv.

On January 21 2015 01:13 sicklucker wrote:
You guys scum read me everygame tho especially you dandred. Dandred name one game where you didnt scum read me. You cant.

On January 21 2015 01:12 KelsierSC wrote:


which points did he sidestep hf on

1 minute go

On January 21 2015 01:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Kels, the pressure votes on Marv, and talking on Lian. Just in general, question dodging is not a good thing.

On January 21 2015 01:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Nope. I remembered the thing with Lian because Lian had been calling him out from the beginning.

On January 21 2015 01:11 KelsierSC wrote:
so dam, your main reasons for scum reading SL would be the "anger at lian" thing?

On January 21 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:
No, not saying the question on Damd wasn't a sidestep, but the ones on Marv and Lian were the first thing that came to my mind. Also SL was trying to convince me at the beginning on Marv, but I'd taken a wait and see approach.

On January 21 2015 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
We're less than 24h into this game and Kels has the same number of pages as Carol already.

The town indicators are strong with this one

On January 21 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote:


Just off the top of my head

Titanic
Imperial
Metal mafia I townread you for most of the game in fact
Student mafia I had you as town was just annoyed at your stupid association reads.

That's four off the top of my head I had your alignment right XD, anyway catching back up

On January 21 2015 03:08 Vivax wrote:


Did Kelsier reply to this reply and give a conclusion on what your reply means for your alignment or is he still trying to paint HTS scum?

On January 21 2015 03:22 Vivax wrote:
So basically we wait to see if SL flips scum, if he does we already won cause I already uncovered all their interactions and theywill concede.

Damdred is reluctant to vote SL or we'd see his vote in the voting thread.

Kelsier is pushing suspicion onto me and mostly HTS.

On January 21 2015 03:55 Vivax wrote:


Well I think about everthing. I'm a divergent thinker. I don't townread people for filter length. I look at actual arguments, interactions and possible mechanics.

And while I shut up and keep playing other games, can you guys try to explain what the hell happened with batsnacks, his read on me and marv, and the advocatus diaboli stuff?

On January 21 2015 02:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Marv, I see what you are saying. No, I didn't recall it, but wasn't going to argue otherwise, the sidestepping part, which is why I phrased it that way.

On January 21 2015 04:35 Holyflare wrote:


^updated the vote count


slame, wile e., damd, slam, vayne, oats, kelsier are all not voting or at least haven't formed a solid opinion anti/pro sicklucker and I'd like them to do that plzty

On January 21 2015 05:03 sicklucker wrote:


I think slam not telling us who wile is is least a bit scummy. I think if hes the only person in the game who knows who he is its very morally questionable to sub into this game as well.

On January 21 2015 05:08 sicklucker wrote:


I get that but why do you sub into the game then? Now slam knows and if hes mafia he can use it to his advantage if he chooses at any time. Or he can have a read he cant explain if hes town. Either way whatever alignment he is has an advantage now.

On January 21 2015 05:10 Half the Sky wrote:
And Kels, I explained what you asked three times over now.

On January 21 2015 06:14 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Time to do this again.

On January 21 2015 18:45 Koshi wrote:

Why is slam not considered at all by you?

On January 21 2015 12:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:alakaslam seemz like good place to lynch if we cant decide on anything concrete

On January 21 2015 18:52 Koshi wrote:

Information? I haven't been paying attention.
But what information does HTS flipping town in 1 minute gives us?
What do you know if HTS flips town right this moment.

On January 21 2015 19:04 Koshi wrote:

What changed?

On January 20 2015 06:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I also think the opening between Vivax and Damdred was pretty awkward

"lets vote on marv"

yeh "lets vote on marv trololol"

"why do you think im voting on marv"

"here is why you are voting on marv"

"hey what a great reason for why i'm voting on marv"

I also don't like that damdred twice aleady you seem happy to town read marv as soon as he starts doing anything.

On January 20 2015 09:04 KelsierSC wrote:


I find it hard that you didn't notice, you were in the thread and hr mentioned your name.

So your pressure in Marv is legitimate then. To me it looks like you sort of trolled by saying "lynching Marv is fun"

On January 20 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:
I've been accosted with carp questions since I've been back. How do you tell marv is town? Because you just do. What does the thread have to do with any of this? If you have played with marv you know his town game if you haven't just compare.

On January 20 2015 10:11 Damdred wrote:
Marv what do you make of all that's going on?

On January 20 2015 10:12 marvellosity wrote:

what is "all that's going on" - be specific

On January 21 2015 00:33 Damdred wrote:
As far as I know Lian was pretty upset about how new years eve ended, since SL had information that would clear him but voted for his death in mylo anyway.

Policy lynch from lians perspective I think would be warranted honestly and isn't that out of the ordinary for what SL pulled in his last two games.

I'm not sure why SL went off about if we lynch him town loses not sure I believe that at all. SL is acting scummy though.

Also Oats, for clarification. HF vote was pretty good on you and started conversation I guess is what I meant to say but I still missed that post before I saw HF post.

On January 21 2015 02:52 Damdred wrote:


Weird anger, the pressure vote falling off so fast when SL doesn't have a ton of experience with Marv. Not really scum hunting until forced to.

On January 20 2015 13:22 Damdred wrote:


Yes the crocodile is getting ever closer to getting the rest of me I realize this. And I got a bit distracted doing other things anyway.

I'm a bit undecided on Marv but just tone wise he seemed ok compared to other games I've seen him in when hes rolled scum.

I really don't have a good read on anyone at this point which is really weird for me to say, possibly its because the conversation was so heavily involved in Marvs meta. Willie was being a dick which is null and I still really do not understand where Kel was going or trying to go, I somewhat see what he meant to do I think. But I don't think it makes me scum at all.

On January 21 2015 03:44 Damdred wrote:
Good god, stop this conversation isn't helping us catching scum and we don't know any of this information unless you claim to have it vivax

On January 21 2015 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Trow me some pages I should read carefully. I cba to do it. I can just open filters and skim them for clues.

On January 21 2015 01:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred, that's why I've been scumreading SL as well, he hadn't been looking for scum from the off.
Catching up, sidestepping HF when he did has made him look even worse.

Oats on the other hand has since picked it up though and same with Marv.

On January 21 2015 01:12 KelsierSC wrote:


which points did he sidestep hf on

1 minute go

On January 21 2015 01:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Kels, the pressure votes on Marv, and talking on Lian. Just in general, question dodging is not a good thing.

On January 21 2015 01:25 KelsierSC wrote:


alright.

you didn't mention him dodging the question about damd? that felt like a big sidestep

On January 21 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:
No, not saying the question on Damd wasn't a sidestep, but the ones on Marv and Lian were the first thing that came to my mind. Also SL was trying to convince me at the beginning on Marv, but I'd taken a wait and see approach.

On January 21 2015 01:29 KelsierSC wrote:


hmm that's weird because I don't remember there being a question on Dam.

On January 21 2015 02:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Marv, I see what you are saying. No, I didn't recall it, but wasn't going to argue otherwise, the sidestepping part, which is why I phrased it that way.

On January 22 2015 00:23 Damdred wrote:


explain

On January 22 2015 00:52 KelsierSC wrote:
of course damdred wasn't your target

but my point to you was that SL had dodged a question about damdred

and you agreed that he had done that, even though no such question existed.

On January 22 2015 02:25 Koshi wrote:
You don't think it are mistakes she made because she is pre occupied with other things?

On January 22 2015 02:29 Half the Sky wrote:


Kelsier...



Then why did you phrase it that way? I remembered Sicklucker, I was scumreading him. Damdred wasn't my target.

On January 21 2015 01:25 KelsierSC wrote:


alright.

you didn't mention him dodging the question about damd? that felt like a big sidestep

On January 21 2015 01:29 KelsierSC wrote:


hmm that's weird because I don't remember there being a question on Dam.

On January 21 2015 01:29 KelsierSC wrote:


hmm that's weird because I don't remember there being a question on Dam.

On January 21 2015 01:25 KelsierSC wrote:
you didn't mention him dodging the question about damd? that felt like a big sidestep

On January 22 2015 04:46 batsnacks wrote:
Someone townie pls tell me why my SL vote is bad? I'm curious because none of my town reads are voting hi
.

On January 22 2015 04:46 batsnacks wrote:
Someone townie pls tell me why my SL vote is bad? I'm curious because none of my town reads are voting hi
.

On January 22 2015 04:57 Half the Sky wrote:


Vivax, I was answering Koshi's question to me about his scumpool. His scumpool contained Slam in it. He told me that Slam and Vayne were playing different games so that was in my response.

Yes, Lian is my top lynch, he was a scumread.

On January 22 2015 04:59 Half the Sky wrote:


Context please. Damdred isn't even on a wagon, you just called him for wasting his vote. Lian is a scumread of mine, which justifies the switch, and Koshi is pushing to consolidate votes.

On January 22 2015 05:11 Damdred wrote:
My vote is only a useless vote if I keep it here going into the lynch, I really don't like an SL lynch at present time. Or an hts lynch and obviously i'm not going to lynch myself lol.

On January 22 2015 05:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax, my first impression of Kelsier is that he appears to be doing the usual things a town should be doing. Questions, followup, etc. The question is whether he's misleading.

I've played one game where he was scum (Carol) and if I recall right in that game he might have been misleading and was eventually caught out D2. Vivax you were in that game too, not sure how much you remember.

Bats called him once for being out of context in this game, but it was not to the level it was in Carol. I'm inclined to say leaning town. Nine-page filter, so might need to keep digging harder.

On January 22 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Obviously we don't even know whos being lynched and you are dodging vivax now kel

On January 22 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Well its a good thing that you don't control everything in the thread then isn't it? hehe

On January 22 2015 05:24 Damdred wrote:
Nope, there is a way to ask questions and then there is a way to ask them that get people to make themselves look scummy. You ask the same questions to people 15 different ways and try to trap them and when someone catches you doing this you get peeved. I've been a sport and answered your 20 questions games, so don't even try that.

On January 22 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote:
And I won't, becaue I don't think SL or hts is scum. You can't force someones hand to vote someone they think is town,

On January 22 2015 05:30 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

The question is not if it is a good mentality. The question is if there is a scum motivation to do so. In general I feel people tend to doublecheck what they say way more frequently when they are scum for example.

On January 22 2015 05:30 Damdred wrote:
See you are asking the exact same question and I will tell you read my filter if you want to know who I think is scum, and don't even try to trap me.

I have done things, so stop trying to make me look scummy because I don't fit into the mold you want.

On January 22 2015 05:34 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

That wasn't my point. She said something that is obviously untrue/agreed with you saying something about something that didn't happen. Yes? That is your trap.
Well, we can all agree that this is stupid and suicidal as either alignment I think, right?

On January 22 2015 05:36 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Why are you so sure that we aren't lynching oats?

On January 22 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax, based on the above case, I'd focus on his scum list changing - which it appears you already are - and see if it matches the same jumps in logic.

On January 22 2015 05:38 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

That alone might be a good reason to kill him actually.

On January 22 2015 05:39 Damdred wrote:


My points against oats are actually good, you are town reading him for really crappy reasons honestly.

On January 22 2015 05:40 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

How often did you play with oats?

On January 22 2015 05:43 Damdred wrote:
That's the problem you don't need a huge case with tons of quotes to be a good case.

I could say Marv is mafia because he only eats fish as mafia and he ate fish in the thread therefore he is mafia.

That is a good case, it doesn't need 10 yards of proof to make it true because it is true if you read the filter and see the proof. Quote cases leads to bias being built and narratives and many people skip over the important pieces.

On January 22 2015 05:46 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Hm, ok. In my experience oats is usually really under the radar as mafia and often survives the longest on his team while as a townie he is very controversial and often mislynched.

On January 22 2015 05:47 Half the Sky wrote:


First, I said before my scum read was a weak read.
Vivax asked me a question to help him come up with a read on you. I responded.
If someone brings something up, I'm going to examine it.
If Vivax is taking things out of context I will actually have further reason to scumread him.
If you have a problem with his read or his case, defend yourself. It's that simple.

On January 22 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote:
The reason you townread oats is because he called me bad, which you agreed with and most of the thread disagreed with oats and called the reasoning sound.

You can't look at his filter and tell me concisely who he is scum reading and why. He gives a random lynch of people that barely show up in his filter at all and once I post against him he instantly votes me and leaves.

he has no semblance of scum hunting at all and is being totally useless and you town read him. k

On January 22 2015 05:50 Damdred wrote:


no...no he really hasn't been controversial for oats hes been really on the side lines and just randomly throwing thing sin

On January 22 2015 05:52 sicklucker wrote:


Rly? Thats probably a really bad idea if your serious and hes kind of toned it down

On January 22 2015 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Case on me that is bad and doesnt make any fucking sense at all.

On January 22 2015 06:00 Koshi wrote:
I am up for lian or alakaslam. Maybe Oats.

Nobody else except if we feel fancy and go take out HF/Will.E.

for funzies.

On January 22 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote:
So are we not killing hts today? is this off the table

On January 22 2015 06:07 sicklucker wrote:
I kind of want to vote lian as much as hts out of spite. Maybe more. I mean can anyone blame me?

On January 22 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote:
we are lynching Oats today, I will put this in bullet points so that people can follow along

* Oats starts the game off by saying something is bad without any explanation and leaving the game.
* He comes back and defends his view which some agree with and some don't and never draws conclusions from this
* He never explains why he wants to lynch anyone or why he scum reads people
* During fights or arguments he adds fuel to the fire in SLs case he makes it very clear that he thinks SL is lying and heaps more pressure on him.
* Is not voting a scum read but came back said a case on him was bad put his vote down on the person who made the case said it was bad and left without explanation
* is not being controversial but more side lines and flying under the radar, is not scum hunting

Oats is scum vote for him.

On January 22 2015 06:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Kels, did you not read what I said before? Or are you choosing to ignore it like you apparently are with Vivax?

Based on my latest scumreads, the ones that Koshi asked, I would go for Lian, possibly Oats.

On January 22 2015 07:01 Holyflare wrote:
let's start some main wagon so people don't do last minute stuff because right now it's crazy scum favoured

On January 22 2015 19:07 Vivax wrote:
While you're here, can you give me your three scumspects?

On January 22 2015 19:09 Vivax wrote:
I find it very entertaining your scumlist contains the guy who wrote the analysis you just read, Kelsier.