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On January 21 2015 09:54 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 09:51 Damdred wrote:
SL, lets say I don't switch to you or what not.
Tell me where you would want to lead thread today, onto hts or towards someone else? I like both lian and hts atm. Plenty of time to decide. Looks like ill have to vote to save myself regardless tho
On January 21 2015 21:13 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 19:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 21 2015 10:37 sicklucker wrote:
I feel like oats is the only one who hasint commented on me. Knowing that im town if oats is mafia I feel he just piles on his vote so no I cant kill oats today.
I remember oats picked dandred over those other two because he felt like dandred was looking for a reason to clear marv if im not mistaken? I think thats why he pointed him out.
Ive played two town games with oats. He never seems super into it and might not even read everything. But he has been town
So, let us assume you are town. Your mislynch wagon is rolling happily with many people on it and you townread oats for ignoring it? In what world is that towny? A townie should have an opinion on the leading wagon and not ignore them. Mafia does not want to be associated with a mislynch wagon and doesn't care about it. I said oats is null. Like very clearly
On January 22 2015 06:07 sicklucker wrote:
I kind of want to vote lian as much as hts out of spite. Maybe more. I mean can anyone blame me?
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If SL, HF and Koshi are mafia which I just sort got of the feeling from reading SL's filter, I'll be dead after tonight and town will probably lose.
Pls, town, remember this post if I die.
And now I'm off.
Remember to look at this post, and this votecount:
On January 22 2015 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Final Vote Count
sicklucker (3): liancourt, Holyflare, marvellosity, batsnacks, Half the Sky, Vivax, marvellosity, Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt (4): Koshi, sicklucker, Half the Sky, Vivax, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): marvellosity marvellosity, Oatsmaster
Alakaslam (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority
Half the Sky (2): marvellosity, sicklucker, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Holyflare
Marvellosity (0): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
KelsierSC (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): Holyflare, Oatsmaster
Not voted (1): Alakaslam
liancourt was pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.
If I survive, we'll figure this out D2.
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So, let us assume you are town. Your mislynch wagon is rolling happily with many people on it and you townread oats for ignoring it? In what world is that towny?
A townie should have an opinion on the leading wagon and not ignore them. Mafia does not want to be associated with a mislynch wagon and doesn't care about it.
Excellent observation from Wile E. in regards to SL and iirc Koshi has this guy (Wile) in his scumpool?
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On January 23 2015 03:07 KelsierSC wrote:
wait why is koshi mafia?
Reread his D1 in Empire.
Read his play this game.
He forgets his HTS scumread at lynch time, then posts an excuse.
He pushed suspicion on Wile after wile made the excellent observation on why SL is bullshitting and ignoring Oats.
We have to lynch SL tomorrow, then you'll see the pieces fitting together.
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I cba to make cases on all my suspects now, I want to focus on SL for now.
If I survive, that is, I'm being universally townread.
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On January 23 2015 03:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax, I saw your more substantial reasons for scumreading Oats (besides the vote analysis).
You asked him for scumreads. He threw out a list. Your thoughts on that list, and how he threw it out?
On January 21 2015 17:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 14:15 Vivax wrote:On January 21 2015 11:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Like this whole thing right?
I really don't want to play a game where past performance is way more important that in game performance or people are specifically targeted because of a certain reason.
If this is true he should have picked on me and Wile first.
Im not even talking about in game stuff here. Its about lynching someone for something he did in another game. Oatsmaster what the fuck are you doing all this game. I didn't see you cast a vote once. It's like you don't have scumreads. But when it's about defending sicklucker you and himself seem to be scumbuddies. Name me three scumreads now. vivax hf bats Why do you bring this up now? I havent said anything about sicklurker recently at all? Why not bring it up earlier?
You mean this? Yeah.. I'm town. He votes Damdred. HF is on HTS at EoD. I am on lian. Bats is on SL.
SL and Oats scum.
Now gotta figure out if Koshi or HF are.
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On January 23 2015 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
vivax still has not commented on hts at all ever instead makes even more crazy scum reads
I'm conversating with her right now and I have other people I suspect. This post just gave you more scumpoints.
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On January 23 2015 03:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 01:02 Holyflare wrote:All you even have to do is look at the fact that hts did absolutely nothing around deadline and afk's and then when I say we should consolidate on a wagon, still nothing, when I say consolidate her she tries to wildly fling shit on me based on other games reasoning and that I must be mafia because of other games and not this one. She doesn't even try and convince me that she's town she just tries to convince other people that my personality is wrong instead of my reasoning. Then, as soon as lian flips she completely fucks off, without a single word. She just isn't interested in solving this game at all. She is the most open and shut mafia in the history of this one game of mafia. On January 22 2015 07:27 Holyflare wrote:On January 22 2015 07:24 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 22 2015 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
we vote hts because we vote on mafia, it's just what town people do! That's fine. But you need to show me why she is mafia first. boring play, scum reads only on people that are afk that haven't really been updated all game, only replying to questions and not really doing any positive digging herself probably mafia and gets my vote + gets info for other people On January 22 2015 07:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 22 2015 07:30 Half the Sky wrote:On January 22 2015 07:27 Holyflare wrote:
boring play, scum reads only on people that are afk that haven't really been updated all game, only replying to questions and not really doing any positive digging herself
probably mafia and gets my vote + gets info for other people Boring play? Sorry I don't have a "sparkling" personality or whatever you deem worthy of being in this game. I already explained to Koshi where I'm having trouble getting decent reads on some people. Replying to questions has been taking up most of my time aside from reading filters because I'm getting so many of them. Context please. Nothing to do with a sparkling personality, you just are more interactive and more inquisitive in your town games and it looks towny whereas here I haven't particularly seen you do anything above and beyond the course of null duty which is uncharacteristic, even in your town game where you tried to play scummy (carol). This is specifically what i'm talking about, you aren't interested in finding things out more than replying to people's questions about what you think instead. On January 22 2015 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
this is my opinion on what i've read. My experience with you is irrelevant because if you take away the meta i'm talking about my case is that you don't care about solving the game but would rather reply to questions and focus on lurkers read quotes, anyone that disagrees with this is mafia or vivax category
I've read the exchange and to me it looks more like you're the guy being aggressive and flinging shit.
You scumread her for being "passive", she's a woman for god's sake, she will never have the style of scumhunting we men have where we jump at each others throats, are super confident etc. Maybe she reads slowly, is unsure, and whatever.
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On January 23 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
the longer people ignore her and don't take stances on her the more mafia you'll look when she flips tonight
So basically you've claimed vig and that you will shoot her when scum could have a roleblocker? Smart plays.
We will see after tonight's flips what you are up to.
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My theory is: HF is scum, claims vig. Claims roleblock, tries to lynch HTS the next day.
If HF is dead and roleblocked after tonight I will be proven wrong, until then, no further talk about this.
SL and Oats are scum.
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On January 23 2015 06:14 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 06:12 sicklucker wrote:On January 23 2015 06:09 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 06:06 Koshi wrote:On January 23 2015 06:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2015 06:00 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 05:59 Holyflare wrote:On January 23 2015 05:54 Wile E. Coyote wrote:On January 23 2015 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Hts scum read on sl does not exist. She could not have switched anyway. Doesn't matter. That certainly wasn't SLs thought process. can you actually explain to me what you're talking about in regards to this because you seem to be saying sl is mafia for it and i'm not really following why Then you should learn to read. I am not explaining this a third time. well then I'll just never lynch sl and you can blame yourself because I'm telling you I don't understand what you are writing and how it makes sl mafia What is there that is hard to understand? Seriously. I know you are not dumb. I also don't understand it at all. It is 100% coincidental and situational. SL says there is no way he was getting lynched. His explanation for this is that his townreads would not have switched to him. He totally forgot that mafia could. The situation was that he WAS the lynch until very close to deadline and even then it only took one mafia to vote on him for him to die. Especially his #1 scumread HTS could have easily killed him. im aware hts would have voted me if I moved my vote to her (I think she would have had to, to save herself anyway) Thats why I refused to vote hts without another vote. But thats still 1 vote. They needed 2 No. HTS was on lian. If she votes you then you die. The end.
On January 23 2015 06:21 sicklucker wrote:
Like I was 100% sure vivax was gonna unvote me day1. He never even scum read me he openly admitted he was sheeping and didnt really care. Vivax why didnt you unvote me yesterday? Do you remember your reasons for voting me?
Yes I was sheeping marv IIRC cause after posting all my conspiracy theories I needed a break.
Quoting Wile there cause he makes a good point.
Let's see the flips a few minutes and then I'm going to dig into an HTS + SL scum theory cause of what Wile brought up.
Oats is in there probably as well. Either him or Koshi for being too derpy and not trhardy. But I really just skimmed the last discussions so I don't guarantee for reliability.
More in a few minutes. Let's see what happens this night 
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On January 23 2015 08:00 Koshi wrote:
With 1 blue VA could be scum.
Explain please?
Do you have any objections to lynching HTS after that NK?
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Why would you ever lynch Wile, he's being a town hero.
You're rocketing up the scum charts dear
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Ok Koshi, bro. We will have plenty of time to talk another day.
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Should have realized HF was town from the start, cause when we're both town he's a dick to me. When he's scum and I'm town he buddies me up like crazy, like in Carol. When we're both mafia we're pretty decent but he's the guy who carries us to victory.
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On January 22 2015 08:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Final Vote Count
sicklucker (3): liancourt, Holyflare, marvellosity, batsnacks, Half the Sky, Vivax, marvellosity, Wile E. Coyote
Liancourt (4): Koshi, sicklucker, Half the Sky, Vivax, sicklucker
Oatsmaster (1): Holyflare, Damdred, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): marvellosity marvellosity, Oatsmaster
Alakaslam (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority
Half the Sky (2): marvellosity, sicklucker, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Holyflare
Marvellosity (0): Vivax, Wile E. Coyote, sicklucker
KelsierSC (0): batsnacks
Damdred (1): Holyflare, Oatsmaster
Not voted (1): Alakaslam
liancourt was pulled into the void.
The Void's pull is growing stronger. remains.
VA in cursive font cause he's an idiot, but probably a town idiot.
Don't mind me on the liancourt wagon as I'm a sick guy who was on prescribed drugs and got fooled by sheeping Koshi.
People on SL are town heroes. People on HTS are town heroes.
Oats probably just the usual dumb town Oats are this point, might have to check later.
Now, we need to figure out what all those marv votes mean. Cause they mean he was bussing on two instances (SL and HTS) before replacing out.
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On January 20 2015 23:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 22:48 KelsierSC wrote:On January 20 2015 22:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Kels, not sure if you're still in thread, but you said earlier you wanted to talk on Lian. Your thoughts on him? yeh I'm here, I posted my thoughts on him a bit earlier I think mainly SL said he didn't know why lian was getting a free pass so I was inviting SL to give his thoughts. Note how you invited sl to interact with you re: lian, and he sidestepped and chose not to.
On January 20 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Kelsier, note the below quote came *after* I dropped my wall of text on Vivax: Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote:
Marv the pressure vote is doing what I want it to so no your not getting unvoted yet. I feel like your leaning more town but all your doing is omgusing a very obvious town so no I cant unjustifie unvoting you yet.
When I unvote you its when im sure your town and never have to worry about you.
I dont like how lians getting a free pass here when hes trying to policy lynch a player better then kush.
I cant remember. into: Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 22:04 sicklucker wrote:
Well im happy to never vote marv again hees the towniest town that ever town.
Like no way he trys this hard as scum ever ill clear him on this alone.
3 games straight mafia. Game 1 and two palmer gets him to concede. Game 3 600 FREAKIN PAGES Does this look like a natural progression to you?
On January 20 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
I'm pretty confident on one mafia, but you're gonna have to wait for those pearls of wisdom until tomorrow. ##Vote: sickluckerThis was it. HF is a lamo. P.S. I thought HF was leaning town already due to how he backed off his Wile push.
Ok so marv apparently found all the reasons for scumreading SL, He proposed them to lian. He Votes SL.
Later:
On January 20 2015 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
I do think HTS looks quite bad actually. But I'm willing to let her play.
On January 20 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 23:36 sicklucker wrote:
Well if you guys sheep these two guys really bad read on me towns gonna be doomed because im flipping town... If you're town, I'm pretty sure you can show the thread/us that you are town before eod. So I wouldn't worry too much. I am a kind and benevolent master.
On January 21 2015 03:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:10 batsnacks wrote:On January 21 2015 03:00 Vivax wrote:On January 21 2015 02:48 batsnacks wrote:
Marv vivax is still doing that thing you voted him for earlier. The only thing that's changed is you're not the target. Wait? WHat are you alluding to? THat I try to find all scum at once? If SL flips scum I'm nominating myself for best town 2015. marv voted you for making associative reads So you made more associative reads Then he unvoted you for "reasons I wouldn't like" And you keep making associative reads Its just not a logical progression from marv (or from you but that's not the point in trying to make). It seems like marv only thinks your associative reads are scummy when he is a part of them. So there are two scenarios. 1.Everything I wrote about Vivax is true and he's mafia (as I thought at the time) 2.Vivax is just insane and the worst townplayer in history. Sadly since the case I made I've been thinking that 2 is actually kinda possible.
And I don't really care what reasons Vivax brings for lynching sl. I'll decide by eod whether I think sl is still mafia and what Vivax says with all his theories will factor in about roughly zero amount into this.
Suddenly:
On January 21 2015 04:50 marvellosity wrote:
sl might actually be town. Dunno if i can reconcile the stuff early in his filter about me, lian with kelsier, etc. though. The leap from "your omgusing a blatant town so i can't unvote you" to "marv is towniest of towns" was really quite something...
At the very least, I don't think questioning sl is gonna bring any dividends, because it's pretty clear at this stage he's not gonna make himself look good from it
Marv is taking a defensive stance on his scumreads, AND skipped my arguments for SL being scum.
Next step, marv finds a way to get out of his bus on SL.
On January 21 2015 04:53 marvellosity wrote:
I think lian looks kinda terrible for not contributing today.
On January 21 2015 04:54 marvellosity wrote:
So if I put sicklucker in one corner for the moment.
I guess I kinda have lian, Hts, Damdred in another corner?
And vivax in some kind of space-time loop
Notice how all his reasons for scumreading SL suddenly don't matter any more. He just puts him into the corner and defends him.
And before replcing out, he says:
On January 21 2015 06:15 marvellosity wrote:
Damdred is a good lynch.
TO BE CONTINUED
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On January 23 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
How are me and hts ever on the same team. Koshi was also pretty much confirmed town by marv. Plus he wants to kill the right people
Hts voted lian with you and Koshi. So it's obvious you can be on the same team.
Marv isn't confirmed town as I just showed you with my analysis. He found some reasons to scumread you, then scrapped them, and started glaring at a liancourt lynch to get another wagon to save you. He decided it would be Damdred.
Now to reading Koshi and further solving the game.
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Now to the Koshi analysis:
On January 21 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:17 liancourt wrote:
discussion on marv seems irrelevant when koshi is here don't you think?
we can get a fresh perspective. I don't know. Can you paste me the best case on marv? Or tell me what filter I need to read to find the source against this marv push. Is it Vivax?
Immediate defensive attitude. He wants to know who's pushing marv/him.
On January 21 2015 07:20 Wile E. Coyote wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote:On January 21 2015 07:17 liancourt wrote:
discussion on marv seems irrelevant when koshi is here don't you think?
we can get a fresh perspective. I don't know. Can you paste me the best case on marv? Or tell me what filter I need to read to find the source against this marv push. Is it Vivax? There is no case or push on marv.
Wile, town hero, replies. Koshi ignores it cause he realized he made a mistake. Next step from Koshi is?
On January 21 2015 07:21 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Alakaslam
Looks like he is hot and bothered.
Reasons? Unfathomable.
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Let's go on.
On January 21 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote:
This feels like a boat and I just can't bail the water out fast enough at this point, (ie I did something scummy in peoples eyes and now everything I do is scummy).
On January 21 2015 07:26 Koshi wrote:
I am going to call Damdred town.
On January 21 2015 07:28 Koshi wrote:
I am going to be 99% sure Vivax is town.
He townreads me correctly. Obviously, he needs to buddy me up to survive. He doesn't even go back to the marv vs me thingy to see if my push on marv was justified etc. He just simply calls me town.
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Now the hammer:
On January 21 2015 07:35 Koshi wrote:
Seriously? 6 votes on sicklucker? Why?
Koshi just replaced in. Marv gave reasons for SL being scum earlier and scrapped them. Koshi didn't read them. Obviously cause Koshi is scum and doesn't need to read what the former scum wrote, right now he just needs to get people off of SL.
Next pages he banters with Alakaslam about some bullshit i dont understand, then he links to liancourts filter asking people how town it is.
In all of this, he didn't give a single reason for believing why SL is town.
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SL answers to Koshi:
On January 21 2015 07:47 sicklucker wrote:Well it started out with a lian policy lynch. Then by 1 or 2 players who actually gave reasons but who dont even want to kill me first anymore. Then by sheep
Alakaslam replies to Koshi:
On January 21 2015 07:49 Alakaslam wrote:
*snipped cause gibberish*
Nonetheless, do you agree with marv? I generally did, however SL is quite capable of being very scummy early and proving his town later- therefore, I do not vote him. Do you find that reasonable or is it too scummy of me?
Here Alakaslam gives a reasonable reason for not voting SL.
KOSHI IGNORES IT. Both Koshi and Alakaslam don't scumread SL but Koshi suspects Alakaslam at this point and doesn't use this part of Alakaslam's quote to review his read on Alakaslam.
Instead he does this:
On January 21 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:35 liancourt wrote:On January 21 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
i'm inclined to vote damdy over sl tbh dont. just dont Actually talk to me about this lian why are you town reading me or at least reading me this way to try to push a vote off me?
On January 21 2015 07:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote:On January 21 2015 07:35 liancourt wrote:On January 21 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
i'm inclined to vote damdy over sl tbh dont. just dont Actually talk to me about this lian why are you town reading me or at least reading me this way to try to push a vote off me? off the table.
Koshi sees Damdred asking lian, the flipped town, why he's trying to defend him, and insta unscumreads Damdred for it.
Now, why doesn't Koshi immediately think that lian couldn't possibly have a scum agenda in defending a townread of his?
Next posts, damning:
On January 21 2015 08:04 Koshi wrote:
Well I don't want to lynch SL at all. But I will revisit him in the morning. gn.
On January 21 2015 08:50 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote: liancourt
We got 3 ml and still lylo. This guy won't make it very far into this game.
In all this time where he said that SL was town, he didn't post a single argument for it. Instead ha argued with Alakaslam. He doesn't recognize that liancourt was following a town agenda there (according to Koshi's view of the game at the time).
So he promises to revisit SL, and drops his vote on lian for no reasons stated except pointing to his filter.
TO BE CONTINUED
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On January 23 2015 09:50 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2015 09:18 Vivax wrote:On January 23 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
How are me and hts ever on the same team. Koshi was also pretty much confirmed town by marv. Plus he wants to kill the right people Hts voted lian with you and Koshi. So it's obvious you can be on the same team. Marv isn't confirmed town as I just showed you with my analysis. He found some reasons to scumread you, then scrapped them, and started glaring at a liancourt lynch to get another wagon to save you. He decided it would be Damdred. Now to reading Koshi and further solving the game. Hts was trying to get me lynched early d1. I dont know how marv plays mafia but if he wants to save me. Hes not going to get me in that bad spot in the first place. Marv was the reason people first voted me. He didnt like day 1 being fixated on him.
Hts was trying to get me lynched early d1
Early bus, she later saved you by voting lian with you and Koshi.
Besides hf who agreed with my initial case I want hts dead the most.
Point me to this please
. Marv was the reason people first voted me. He didnt like day 1 being fixated on him
He first gave reasons for you being scum, then retracted all the reasons, put you into a meh pile, and started looking for mislynches.
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