Student Mafia V

On January 17 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote:
He said that he would only be making 10 posts per day. I personally feel that it will be extremely hard for him to play effectively with 10 posts per day. If he is purposefully handicapping himself with a very strict post limit and that causes him to play poorly and be lynched, that's his fault; we can't allow for players to intentionally play badly. I will remove my vote if he proves himself useful.

On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:

This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone.

On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:

Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him.

On January 17 2015 07:37 LoneMeow wrote:


A bit WIFOM but yeah, it puts him in the spotlight so more likely to come from town than scum.

On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far?

On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:

Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs)

On January 17 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:

I not scum and I Was refering to rsoultin because she hasn't entered the thread yet and would love to talk to her about the game.

On January 17 2015 07:56 LightningStrike wrote:

5 complete games. I didn't disagree with your idea I was just stating what I know about Tfrel's openings that's all.

On January 17 2015 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:


Because I can't stand being VT anymore
Just can't

I would love to be a cop.

On January 17 2015 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Also DP GB had good reads in Carol so idk why you think his reads is normally bad tbh with you.

On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:


What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure.

It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.

Thus, BS meter.

On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:


It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch.

(Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.)

On January 17 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:


This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs-

On January 17 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote:


Sure, I have thoughts. One is how wriggly wormy you're being here lately. The scumhunt question obviously was rhetorical; it implied that your policy vote is not scumhunting. Again, you are nitpicking instead of addressing the point of my questions: namely, now that you've gotten discussion started, how serious really are you about that vote?

GB has been questioned without really responding, as has JarJar.



I expect a certain rationality from Trfel based on the games we've played together. He typically does not do poor or arbitrary things. This is not about every player. This is about him. If he did some of the things LS or SL does every single game, it would get my attention, too.

Are you trying to tell me that scum couldn't open with a policy lynch on a player that pre-game claimed he wouldn't post much, and pre-game was asked about why and jokingly called scum? I'm not saying Trfel is scum, but I don't see anything particularly townie about it. I'd call it flat-out low-hanging fruit for scum, personally, going after a geript lynch right now. Which is why I want to know how far Trfel intends to take it. I'd be riding his ass less if he were more direct about answering my questions.

I get that you think he's being townie here, and I get that you think it's too bold a move for scum to make, but I personally don't see the danger in it for scum. Even if geript were lynched later today, who would hold Trfel accountable? I mean, honestly, who?

On January 17 2015 13:26 rsoultin wrote:


##Unvote (since apparently we actually do not have a voting thread :/)

I'm okay with DP, Damdred and Lonemeow right now. LS, too...he is actively participating in the thread.

JarJar may be scum; for someone who relies on voting analysis to suggest no vote is even more strange than the average player. I'd like to see his response.

The rest I haven't really been able to get a read on as of yet.

On January 17 2015 16:37 geript wrote:
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I want to talk about this post more because I think it's more telling about DP than it is of Trfel because of DP's read on Trfel here + Show Spoiler +. On its face, Trfel's push on me looks a bit ballsy and therefore towny. The problem that I have with actually reading the push as towny specifically is that it's clearly something that he planned to do before the game started. In that regard, I'm a bit more leery of DP's townread on Trfel based on that alone because I think town!DP would've equally applied pressure both towards Trfel for a stupid push on a vet to clarify as to what Trfel's actual reason for the push is. I remember reading the first few pages before heading to D&D and initially feeling like DP felt a bit off, but not being able to really coalesce that notion in any reasonable way. Regardless, DP is a prolific poster and a great player; if I can't make a case on him by the end of night 1, then don't lynch him until D3.

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I actually really like this post. There's a bit of condescending tone towards DP in it. It's much like smacking a snake. I don't think it's a worthwhile post, but it's also a post that I don't think LS could make as mafia. The "freeness" to speak his mind feels exceptionally towny to me.

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And less towny. In the newbie game, I don't really remember LS ever not feeling comfortable to post whatever the fuck he wanted. That said, he already has a 1 page filter (effectively) so I think I'll probably just stick with the townread for now.

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Reread Trfel

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She's had 1-2 posts so far but I like rsoultin for town already. I think this is both a good read and interesting as it accurately summarizes why I was a bit caught off guard by Trfel's entrance.

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I probably shouldn't read into this as much as I am. But how I think of LS (as a WoS clone), I don't think that he could actually post this as mafia. Call me a sucker if you like, but I'm just going to paint LS green for today unless I see something really eye-popping. There's also a way in which LS stands his ground on this feels very towny and confident.

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This post is exceptionally odd. JJB has had a number of odd voting statistic crap in the newbie game I coached/analyzed. While he's generally on the more inactive side of things, I actually find this post quite odd as currently it's his only post and hasn't really done anything with it. JJB has also struck me as more of a player who's more likely to flounder between doing things. So it actually seems pretty odd between being a "numbers guy" and less direction oriented that he'd suggest a no lynch and do nothing to push it.
Sidenote:
I like that LS brought this up. I'll keep LS green for now.

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This post comes across as intentionally stubborn. That's something I tend to associate more with mafia than town. Additionally, Trfel is a player who in the newbie game I could read quite easily based on the quality of his posts quite early on. On opening his filter, he's actually asked more questions than he has given quality opinions. For a higher content poster, that's actually rather surprising and telling imo that he hasn't made 1 good post that in any way makes me think he's actually town. Trfel is probably a very good lynch.

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Less trusting of DP. I don't like how the reason for townreading Trfel feels like changes here. In looking at his filter, I'm less sure it actually changes. Best place to put this right now is between the townread on Trfel and the seeming change, if Trfel flips mafia, then DP is significantly more likely to be mafia. I still don't want to lynch him thought because of this post: + Show Spoiler + as mafia!DP is less likely to think to post this. In my experience, mafia!DP can hammer any shit into the ground he wants.




Town:
Rsoultin
LightningStrike

Don't Lynch for now:
Darth Punk

Null:
Breshke
Damdred
Glowingbear
LoneMeow
TheWarWaffle
CoolTLname
TheShining

Good Lynches:
Jarjarbinks
Trfel

Questions I need answers to:
1. @DP. Did you come into this game with any preconceived notions, views or reputation on Trfel?
2. @DP. Do you disagree with any of the reads I've made so far and why?
3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis?
4. @Damdred. Explain the reasons for your 3 scum reads. Especially the LS read.
5. @GB. Explain why you think Trfel is obviously town at this point specifically + Show Spoiler +
6. @Shining. Where you at boo?
7. @JJB. What are your reads as of right now and why?
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On January 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
GB probably town for this.

tlcool is in the scum pile.

Mostly the three names were a reaction test to see how people would look at it. I don't scum read people for 0 posts lol.

LS is probable town.

JarJar made some interesting posts just now I need to go back over

On January 18 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote:


If I had to sum it up in one word: Trfel-centric.

His filter appears to be a light push on Trfel for Trfel's entrance post, town-reading him, convincing others to, and pressuring anyone who doesn't. I can post quotes as evidence, but as he has a 1-page filter it's pretty self-evident right now.

(Oh, I forgot to mention trolling GB. Probably because that is just fluff anyway xP)


Also, JarJar, I know you said after the game, but your posts just now established your innocence enough for me to not want to lynch you Day 1, so I think you're doing better than you realize. We can talk more after the game.


@DP...do you have any reads on anything/anyone else? You asked me for mine...quid pro quo bro.

On January 18 2015 05:44 jarjarbinks wrote:



When you say "him" do you mean DP? Or are you asking me and DP's reads on Cool? I think you mean DP.

DP- Overdefended trfel's voting at the beginning when he probably knew what trfel was doing. I liked geripts analysis on page 14 explaining it. That's all I have.

I'll be back tonight to catch up and put in thoughts.

On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway).

LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious.

I don't see why coolTLname is being scumread right now. He hasn't done very much, but I like the catch on Damdred's scumread of The Shining. I also like the analysis of jarjarbinks. However, coolTLname, while post count and mafia are related, there are many other more important tells. For example, TheWarWaffle made maybe about 6 posts in all of Day 1 last game, and he was town. Meanwhile, Half the Sky made many posts, and she was scum. The main point against coolTLname is how he waited for GlowingBear to vote The Shining before he voted. However, assuming that coolTLname really is new to TL, this makes sense, since it is reasonable for a new player to wait and see how the veterans react to things they bring up. I know that I did this in my first game of TL mafia, and still do sometimes (I wait to see how the first few people react to my case before I vote, in case there is an obvious hole that I missed; perhaps as I improve more and become more confident I will vote without waiting for responses first). That doesn't mean that new players aren't expected to stand by their reads, but it is reasonable for them to look to veterans for leadership at times. (he was modkilled, but I will leave this paragraph in here anyway just because)

I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch.

DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help.

Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch.

Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent.

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I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever).

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With that in mind, I will answer geript's question.

I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in.

I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote:
I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it.

On January 18 2015 09:14 GlowingBear wrote:
You've just saw a wall from geript and had no problems with it, DP.

What's the big difference?

On January 18 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:


Are you caught up now? (Kinda been waiting for you to finish making your way through the thread.)

On January 18 2015 09:22 GlowingBear wrote:


Funny, I find Trfels post easier to read.

I don't understand why you give 0 fucks to what Trfel types, btw

On January 18 2015 09:19 LightningStrike wrote:

These are the type of posts I expect from Tfrel when he is actively playing the game also he is also one of the best Case makers in this game.

On January 18 2015 09:44 GlowingBear wrote:


That guy is good. Don't underestimate him.

Anyway, do you have any scum read already?

On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:
LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here.

On January 18 2015 02:33 Damdred wrote:
Here in the knowledge bomb for today guys;

Town:

Trfel: Slightly different from what I am used to in other games, the pressure vote is not alignment indicative as Geript is a good enough player to do this with post restrictions as scum or as town. However the followup to people commenting on his stance is really good, he calls to attention the problems in LS stance at the time which is a good observation and shows that someone is really reading the game. Hes inquisitive about why people are doing things and he seems to be in the thick of all talks when hes in the thread. For now hes in the town pile and i'm pretty sold that he shouldn't be the lynch today at all.

LightningStrike: Some of the stances he has taken seem a bit flimsy at times and it seems like he reverts on them as time passes sometimes. Which gave him a few scum points at first from me. But when questioned about where he was in the game he took little to no time at having actual somewhat developed thoughts on the people in the game. Was really quick to answer and hes not scared to push what he is thinking in the thread (or just put it out there) Pretty sure he is town here.

RS: Hes town, he pressures people. Hes reading the thread, he has follow up on what he says and hes asking opinions to try to figure out peoples alignments. Wouldn't lynch him today at all.


Null:

LM: Why you not have your neck out and giving actual thoughts instead of just reacting to what people say to you .

Warwaffle: not really rememerable but hasn't posted much

Shining: where are you baby doll?

Breshke: Who are you again? what do you think?

Scum:

TLCoolName: I have talked about him before now and I will reinterate. He attacks JarJar at one point and JarJar answers him, instead of interacting with him and trying to figure out his alignment. He disengages and says oh I like this post and never returns to it. When confronted with this information he says he just hasn't analyzed what JarJar has done. Shouldn't be much to analysis and Jarjar was in the thread at the time so he missed a good opoortunity to actually analysis the player and figure out his alignment. And then he switched to talking about me or rather slow pushing a target, he quoted something before the game started. He waited for someone else to vote and threw his vote down with that person. He claims it was a reaction test, but his reaction is not one a town would generally make. Instead of talking it through and trying to understand alignments of both he retreats from the confrontation and says just do analysis on everyone else. This guy is scum, hes not interested in finding out who is scum or pressuring people. He wants to find an easy target park there after someone else has fired the first shot and go on his merry way.


General thoughts:

I didn't bother to do everyone yet, Geripts huge post is full of good things that I want more peoples comments on. He might be onto something but I haven't rad DP filter or contextualized it yet.

GB could really be town here, anger at the start seems authentic and GB hates being VT. Some good thoughts but not as many as drunk bear should usually have at this point.

I'm undecided about JarJar currently, his recent postings looked pretty ok, but his previous postings looked bad. So can't really put him in a null town or scum currently but might lynch him depending on play as the game goes along.

Overall cool is the scummiest thing in the thread and people should comment on what I wrote.

On January 18 2015 03:46 Damdred wrote:
I've read everyones filter besides DP just procrastinating on his

On January 18 2015 15:07 Breshke wrote:


I read him town for some weak meta case on my being more lurky as mafia. I expected someone to try and come at me because of it and thought it was towny. That's actually a fairly shit tier read though because it isn't actually alignment indicative. Would need to look more into it but i wouldn't call him town anymore.



What does scum damdred get out of not commenting on your filter if he has actuall read it? I don't get where you are going with this.

On January 18 2015 05:13 Damdred wrote:


DP could be town or a mafia partner if i'm mafia. or I could just be lazy town currently

On January 18 2015 15:18 geript wrote:
You know DP, this game is really weird. I don't think anyone except really wants to disagree with my reads.

On January 18 2015 15:23 geript wrote:
Damdred, LoneMeow and GB have all been around for a decent period. I'd consider them vets. Just not Tier 1 vets.

I've explained my LS read; it's not irreversible, but I've found I generally real newbies quite well. I do agree that a bunch of people have been reading LS town for poor reasons, but I'm not quite sure if that's because he's mafia or if everyone's too pussyfoot to disagree with me.

Can we talk about JJB while we're both around though?

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:

Rsoultin case, I've only skimmed it but what I saw of it made me go "meh"

SAME. That is literally what I was thinking.





Ok, but you are still able to comment about me/ read me. Damdreds progression was 'm just gonna ignore DP, not gonna read his filter cause lazy, maybe we are scum together?

that just blows my mind in terms of not making sense.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
On LS, I'd take a look at my review of the Newbie Game. I highlight some of his posts. Early on I found him hard to read. But think of like Wave of Shadow when you're reading him. I think that's the right one. The two really remind me of each other a lot. Really try hard, but no real clue as to what to do.

On January 18 2015 15:21 DarthPunk wrote:


It's a newbie game in which all the newbies are trying to use meta. Kinda cute actually.

What do you think about:

The case Rsultin just posted.

Breshkes post about Jar Jar

Damdred making shitty excuses about being too lazy to read a 2 page filter.

Lightning not actually doing anything aside from talking meta.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
I don't remember Breshke's post on JJB off the top of my head.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
Don't ask me about damdred. I've only correctly read him twice as town. Once he was town and once he was mafia. I always find it weird. It's odd that he hadn't read your filter but I don't actually find it that odd in general. I haven't really read your filter nor do I ever intend to this game unless there's something you said that I want to think about.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
On LS, I'd take a look at my review of the Newbie Game. I highlight some of his posts. Early on I found him hard to read. But think of like Wave of Shadow when you're reading him. I think that's the right one. The two really remind me of each other a lot. Really try hard, but no real clue as to what to do.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
I don't remember Breshke's post on JJB off the top of my head.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
Don't ask me about damdred. I've only correctly read him twice as town. Once he was town and once he was mafia. I always find it weird. It's odd that he hadn't read your filter but I don't actually find it that odd in general. I haven't really read your filter nor do I ever intend to this game unless there's something you said that I want to think about.

On January 18 2015 15:27 geript wrote:
On LS, I'd take a look at my review of the Newbie Game. I highlight some of his posts. Early on I found him hard to read. But think of like Wave of Shadow when you're reading him. I think that's the right one. The two really remind me of each other a lot. Really try hard, but no real clue as to what to do.

On January 18 2015 15:30 geript wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and say this right now. If you newbies ever lynch DP after I die, I swear to fucking god I will reach out from my grave and vigi shoot every single one of the townies who vote for him.

On January 18 2015 15:33 geript wrote:

This is the thing that really bugged me about JJB, more than alot of the other little stuff that's been brought up. I'm not seeing how a towny could scum somebody for "leaving a [townie] lynchwagon so fast." Like to me, what Cool said wasn't cool and was pretty sarcastic and mean. I'm not sure if he meant any of it honestly. It's not OMGUS, it's like "Oh you should be scumreading but you left it so fast when you should be scumreading me." It's basically saying Cool is mafia for unvoting JJB, but that doesn't make any sort of sense unless JJB actually is mafia.

On January 18 2015 15:44 geript wrote:

DP were you talking about this post? It doesn't really resonate with me but I can understand how a towny coudl think this way.

On January 18 2015 15:53 geript wrote:

This was the post I really like Breshke being town for. It's like newb town heaven in my experience. I think I've only been wrong once when I've called someone newb town (Koshi in nuclear iirc). The reasons for the Trfel read feel exceptionally towny to me and I don't mind the rest of it.

Was tehre something specific about Breshke you were thinking about or wanted to talk about?

On January 18 2015 15:46 geript wrote:

It does and it doesn't for me. Like early on as scum I've played that card; more importantly, I know that Slam has made a similar argument (as mafia) in video mafia. I whole heartedly agree that this guy is Slam-light, same great taste but half the calories. It's just that I can't quite get a fix on how to read him as I do Slam (still a perfect Slam read btw, and Marv for gloatsies).

On January 18 2015 15:54 rsoultin wrote:


I can almost 90% guarantee that if y'all pull a dumbass move as vets and vote my noob brother for playing bad...he will flip town and you will be eating crow. First, he's playing better than he did last game, which you should know, geript. And secondly, I have actually known this kid since he was in diapers. Forgive me if I believe I can read him better than you. If he were slam or marv, I'd likely defer to your judgment.

Mr.

On January 18 2015 16:10 geript wrote:
Regarding the Rsoultin case on Trfel, the first part is basically a bunch of BS. Like trying to make a case on Trfel pushing me or not pushing me, that's just fluff. It's also weird that Trfel is "weird" for not liking LS for the LS's changing viewpoint because of you pushing him. I don't really see how that's scummy at all.

I can't really decide if it's yawn bad or yawn mafia. I don't think I want to lynch him today anyways.

(Sorry Dp, this was in a tab and I forgot about it.)

On January 18 2015 16:13 geript wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I'm really on the fence about wanting to lynch Shining.

On January 18 2015 16:16 geript wrote:

I know. I just can't decide if that's actually be or mafia. Like I think your bar is too high for people and maybe mine is too low. I just can't decide if it feels like honest bullshit or not. Let's look at her filter overall though, that'll give us a better look.

On January 18 2015 16:20 geript wrote:
I think my preferred lynch is GB.

On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:

This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone.

On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:

Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far?

On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:

Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs)

On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone.

On January 17 2015 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:

Did you just claim scum? I did this on my first scum game on Student IV............ I guess you only learn from the best.
##Vote:JarJarBinks

On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:

It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now.
rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs)

On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:

Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him.

On January 17 2015 12:03 LightningStrike wrote:

I was just stating what I was getting knowing your meta but at the time you had just 1 post and it wasn't really alignment indicative. Also I only played with you on 3 complete games (Student IV when I Was scum you town, Carol both of us as town, Metal Mini both of us as town).

On January 17 2015 23:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just woke up and ofc Damdred calling me scum and so is GB but the funny thing is that Damdred did play with me when I was scum and him town so he should remember how my scum play was considering that my team was mostly lurkers (Slam/Hopeless, meatpudding).
On the other hand GB never played with me when I was scum so I can give him that excuse so here my scum game filter so can get a bit familar with my scum play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike
Also I can explain my post about that post geript: It was because I wanting to meta read her and at the time resoultin didn't enter into the thread that's all.
@coolTLname my issue with JarJar's opening is mainly because meta wise he was a big numbers guy in the newbie game and him to suggest no lynch would be a bad idea for his numbers that like to use and I did use that same type of opening when I was scum (click the link in this post) so I can see him more likely than not.

On January 18 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Guys since the other game just ended + Show Spoiler + I can finally put my case on Breshke being scum!

Okay first off he been extremely lurky this game and doesn't seem interested in looking for scum plus when he is town he usually try to lead the town and he not which is a trait he has scum as seen in both of these games when he was scum
Scum Game 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?user=breshke
Scum Game 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474389-new-years-eve-party-mini-mafia?user=Breshke

Now aside from in real life stuff going on for him, the posts he made are quite similar to how he posted in both these games that I linked to and these were his only scum games I played with him being scum I going to have say he got to be scum and funny enough he rolled 3 times a row with me being in the same game!
##Vote: Breshke

On January 17 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:

Do you mean my reads atm? If so here are my reads for the time
Town:
rsoultin: She been pressuring Tfrel about the policy lynching geript with some good questiong to Tfrel.

Tfrel: The early vote on geript since the opening of the game is more likely to come from a townie than a scum player although it's a odd entrance by his own meta but town for now.

DarthPunk: Questioning me and rsoultin decently about the early parts of the game.

GlowingBear: He hard claimed Vanilla Town with absolutely no pressure at all although it's bad play but why would scum claim VT with no pressure on them?

Need more posts to figure out alignments:
coolTLname: No posts so far as far as I remember.

Breshke: No posts from him so far.

LoneMeow: Need more posts from him other than the questions towards me asking why I wanted to talk to rsoultin out of all of the lurkers.

geript: No posts so far but in pregame he said he only posting 10 posts per Day phase 5 per Night phase so will see how it goes for now.

The Shining: No posts yet in the game.

TheWarWaffle: Only making the 1 post referencing I wasn't really in your face type of style in the newbie but didn't make post after that.

Scum:
JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum.

On January 18 2015 17:21 rsoultin wrote:


He always posts this way. For me lynching him for posting like this is the same as lynching someone for not posting at all. You'll have to do better than that. I'm sorry. May I just point out that (apart from New Years where he was shot dead by mafia) he is friggin always mislynched as town, for these same reasons. -_-

On January 18 2015 17:32 geript wrote:

I think people aren't using coaches as much as I've seen in the past. I know they're criminally underused in general. I also think that some coaches probably should be coaching. I'm honestly not sure I should be coaching; I'm not sure I'm good enough.

On August 10 2012 10:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Well Played town. <3


Golbat: I think that your mislynch was purely down to your indecisiveness in regards to Mordanis. If you are goign to make a vote make sure that you are at least confident enough to not unvote as soon as someone questions you. Overall you seemed nice and I was sorry to see you go.

Mordanis: <3 you were really useful to me this game as my go to scum read. Sorry for tunnelling you but there was always something I could spin. Your reads and thoughts in the qt were a huge improvement from what I saw in the game.

Shady: Gah you were the second most frustrating person this game. Twice it came down to you to simply not switch your vote. With Zork and with me. but you made the right call every time. Well done.

Ange777: You came out of nowhere to carry this game on your back! Easily the best player from zork onwards, but I really didn't view you as a threat before that. I think that the more sure you are in your reads the better you are at arguing them.
I will be very wary of you as scum in the future. (maybe policy NK?)

GoodKarma: You were frustrating for refusing to lynch Mordanis. And then the complete opposite when you were the only player to see my arguments my way. I wish you had been more vocal day 4 maybe then I could have got out of my lynch.

Obvious.660: I would be really interested to hear what the reason was that you changed your mind on me. You had some correct reads early but your conclusions didn't really come out that way. If you thought alan and I were scum you should have pushed it with a good argument.

JingleHell: Your attitude doesn't do you any favors. Although you knew what I was up to when I foolishly tried to defend you If I had just left you be, you would have earned us a mislynch with no effort on our part. You have good reads and ideas but the way you present them actually reduces their value.

aRyuujin: Hey buddy . If it wasn't for ange777 I think I could have turned that lynch around onto you instead. Nevertheless It was great that you became active and I enjoyed arguing with you!

Promethelax: You seem really nice and I look forward to rolling town with you in the Future! Sorry for mislynching you. You should read the scum QT where we plan it out, we are all super worried haha. We thought you were the doctor (which in our eyes was confirmed when you said there was a reason for buddying Keir) and we were all really nervous about actively trying to snipe you with a mislynch. I don't think there was enough to lynch you on and if town were playing that day as they played later it would have been different I think.

Keirathi we thought you had a power role and so your NK was a snipe. I thought it was almost confirmed when you were saved. Because not only did I read you as a blue a Townie did. Turns out that was not the case. Early on you were well reasoned and slow to jump on bandwagons and thus were a dangerous player.

Zorkmid: Zork, I think we collectively made bad decisions, It's not your fault we lost. Alan and I should have bussed you night 2 as soon as we saw that slip. Oh Well. I think alot of the miscommunication (not being in the QT that often) came from Malaysia (alan) and Australia (me) being such different Time zones from yours.

alan: You are really good at this game. It's unfortunate you had such incompetent scum buddies and ange to deal with. You are really smart and were essentially my scum coach this game. GG <3

On January 18 2015 17:59 The Shining wrote:
I'm not sure I'm okay with a Jar Jar lynch today. This is one of the only games I've played with him where he's tried to defend himself and respond to questions on D1. I didn't like his entrance and his posts aren't the best but the fact that he's present and answering questions directed towards him makes me think he's not trying to hide anything, just not really sure what to do.

On January 18 2015 18:17 The Shining wrote:
DP - You asked the people town reading LS to give you a better idea of why we got those reads. I looked back into his filter and realized a bit of it is fear and being weary from my last game. I did say I lost count of how many times I saw meta in his filter and seeing Geript and you attack newbies using meta made me certain there was a reason I found it odd. As LS posted more, the gaps in between useful posts actually posting suspicions, reads and questioning others became wider.

I read over your case on him and I do agree with one thing. He doesn't have genuine reads. He sheeped off of RSo last game and apparently looked to do so this game by asking for her early in the thread. I mentioned in the newbie game he did that same sheeping in the last Student Mafia with batsnacks. I was convinced he was scum last game, as he was in the last Student Mafia, but he flipped VT. It leaves me 50/50 on what he'll flip this time. I don't think he's my top lynch candidate yet, but I think I can be convinced depending on his defense.

On January 18 2015 18:45 The Shining wrote:
DP -

Unlynchable -
Geript - He's broken his 10 post limit, he really is helping Town and some of his questioning follows some of my trains of thoughts. I don't like lurkers and someone else who doesn't and is willing to pressure them seems Townie to me. The fact that I'm perceived as a lurker for coming in late is just something I'll have to swallow.
DP- A good filter. You're analyzing and picking apart everyone's posts and suspicions on everything with no discrimination, which shows me you're trying to piece this game together and not sparing any feelings. You're also directly pushing people into the spotlight with questions and promoting conversation. Town can't afford to lose that.

Who I want to lynch:
LoneMeow - Lurker lynch/policy lynch. It's unfortunate but there always seems to be one or more scum members in every game that lurk or straight up AFK. In my 1 game of experience here(I KNOW, RIGHT?! So experience), 1 of the scum team members ended up being replaced for AFK so I know it isn't impossible. The few posts I saw were decent questions but nothing really stood out.
GB - Refer to my read leaning scum on GB. GB has posted nothing since and I'd lynch for a lack of response to explanations for the driveby reads with only a few short explanations. It seem haphazardly thrown together, not thought out at all.

Everyone else I've either gave reads on, am just now starting to feel out in the thread(Breshke) or want to see more from before I make a strong decision. This is all still a learning experience for me and I'd like to finally be right on a scum flip, for once.

On January 19 2015 05:35 rsoultin wrote:
I'm getting more and more okay with a geript lynch.

On January 19 2015 05:43 geript wrote:
Plus, GB has me as his #2 which is like big red flashing lights. I'd reread rsoultin but I read her last night. I think her JJB protection would happen regardless of alignment.

On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.

DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows.

On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.

Geript is pretty town, if he's alive after d2 and no roles claim he's pulling a Russian mafia but he looks super towny

LS is town based on hi a addiction to meta as town.

Jjb is mafia I think

On January 19 2015 05:59 GlowingBear wrote:


See, he is townreading you without having a good grasp of your filter.

He is townreading LS for BS reason, c'mon.

On January 18 2015 21:59 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: geript

I love how you instantly scumread me after town-ish newbies starts scumreading me.

I bet you're mafia.

On January 18 2015 23:04 GlowingBear wrote:


It's pretty clear that I said he is mafia not because he is suspecting me, but because he started suspecting me just when town-ish newbies did so.

As the veteran he is, it should be pretty clear to him that I'm not a good lynch today

On January 19 2015 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:


I can't find a better argument on day1, honestly.

On January 19 2015 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:


Damdred happened o.o

On January 19 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:


Okay, don't explain why he's the special pool straddler; that's fine. Spite voting is so townie

So am I to understand that your purpose for buddying up to DP has nothing to do with the fact that before you started he said your opinion was the only opinion he gave a flying fuck about?

On January 19 2015 06:13 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm sorry, I've never said the case was weak?
I said I can't find a more compelling argument on day1 than the one I've brought about damdred?

On January 19 2015 06:17 Damdred wrote:
Man I hate jarjar right here lol. I get asked my opinion and he jumps on it to vote me.

I've played almost 18 games with GB probably. Give him a pass today, this is in hi a town wheel house. Like read hearthstone mafia this is how he went about it to.

On January 19 2015 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:


HAHAHA DP
ARE YOU FUCKING MAFIA?

If I have a stronger scumread on damdred, I'll vote him before voting geript.
I was trying to pressure damdred before going to the case.
He was late answering my questions.

Really DP. C'mon.

On January 19 2015 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:


What changed to make you to from this post to say my case is shitty?

On January 19 2015 06:28 GlowingBear wrote:


This is a convoluted misrepresentation of my reads. A lot of people called me mafia and I didn't scumread them. I've called waffle town for that. But you, SPECIALLY YOU, coming with this SHIT against me, is FUCKING SCUMMY.

You said you would lynch Damdred before me than suddenly this SHIT.

On January 19 2015 06:29 GlowingBear wrote:
I DIDN'T ABANDON THE SCUMREAD ON GERIPT, I'VE JUST FOCUSED ON GETTING MY STRONGEST SCUMREAD LYNCHED.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?!?!?

On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:


So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?

On January 17 2015 22:18 LoneMeow wrote:


It's on the scummier side of things, as scum he'd want to look like he's giving reads even when he really isn't. However, knowing his play in the previous game it's not as conclusive as it could be.

On January 19 2015 00:44 LoneMeow wrote:




This progression on LightningStrike is is just pure bullshit. "Weak meta case" when he's in your strong town category, really? And if you actually had read his previous town games you would have instantly seen that he's playing exactly like he has done as town so far.

I'm fairly sure you didn't actually bother to get any kind of meta on him, just used that as excuse for a town read. Scum like to do that.

##Vote: Breshke

GlowingBear, I am sorry for doubting you

On January 19 2015 03:06 LoneMeow wrote:


Other thoughts, well.

LightningStrike looks town by meta.

DarthPunk looks town for the way his LightningStrike read evolved when presented with evidence from other games.

Trfel I'm really torn on, the case by rsoultin has merit but Trfel puts quite a lot of effort into some of his posts which is a town trait.

rsoultin is perhaps town for his defence of LightningStrike, since if I trust my read on LightningStrike he'd just be narrowing his potential mislynch pool if he did that as scum. But that's associative between unflipped players so meh.

On January 19 2015 03:16 LoneMeow wrote:


Ah, I must've misunderstood Breshke's post. English isn't my native language. Let me rethink.

On January 19 2015 03:18 LoneMeow wrote:


Right, it's far less strongly implicating him as scum now that I understood correctly, although I still don't like the way he went from "LightningStrike town" to "wouldn't call him town anymore" without any real explanation on what caused the shift.

For now,
##Unvote

On January 19 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
I think the pushs look pretty similar especially the push because of my meta. Which he did also in imperial, his push on me dropping it for Palmar is close as well.

Either way GB shouldn't be lynched today I think.

On November 02 2014 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:
We are killing Damdred today

Place your votes right now!

On November 02 2014 01:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Jay, we are voting Damdred. Place your vote

On November 02 2014 02:14 GlowingBear wrote:
You guys,
Place your votes on Damdred
Don't force me into making a huge case on him. We already have enough motives to lynch him.

On November 02 2014 03:17 GlowingBear wrote:


^^ now vote damdred.

On November 02 2014 02:16 GlowingBear wrote:


Still scum.
Not as much as Damdred.

On November 02 2014 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I think you're not town.

On November 02 2014 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
If damdred flips mafia I'll lynch HF

On November 03 2014 03:15 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm moving off of you because I can't get you lynched today.
I was completely annoyed for that and I almost gave up on this game. I can't see a world where a townie does what you did.

But then I thought I should search for the other mafia. I remember Avogadro, so I decided to read the lurkers.
Circumstance had a horrible filter after I analysed it.

That's all.

On January 19 2015 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:
A lesson to newbies:

Everytime a person risks their "life" to lynch a target or to save another, this person is most likely town.

I would be the lynch after I unvoted. Have this in mind.

Bye bye.

On January 19 2015 06:53 Trfel wrote:
I could switch to TheWarWaffle. But not if it causes jarjarbinks to be lynched.

On January 19 2015 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
WHAT MORE DID YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS GUY IS TOWN FFS

On January 19 2015 09:39 GlowingBear wrote:


^ I had no scum motive to Unvote damdred and let me be the leading lynch. Simple fact number 2.

On January 19 2015 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:


What if you are both scum?

On January 19 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote:
Ninja'd

Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it.

On January 19 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote:


Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game.

On January 19 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:


You're entitled to your opinion.

Who of the trains do you think was scum, since you think all of them can't be town?

On January 19 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote:
DP, why do you respect geripts opinion so much?

On January 19 2015 15:26 Damdred wrote:
Any thoughts on what I posted

On January 19 2015 06:39 DarthPunk wrote:
@ geript.

I don't like this post



Because it isn;t what I thought when I saw JJB's list when I read it I was like this dude is just paraphrasing geript.

and his follow up is wishy-washy



I like thses posts though





Seems like good reads for the mos tpart and displays a kind of fearless tone I would expect from town.

These posts:
]


Show he is willing to re-evaluate based on new or different information


I actually wouldn't want to lynch him today.

On January 20 2015 09:33 geript wrote:
DP hold me. I'm in fucking ELO hell.

On January 20 2015 10:45 geript wrote:

I dearly miss promethelax. People literally have no fucking clue how to read me when I'm literally the easiest get to read ever.

On January 21 2015 09:09 geript wrote:

Read Damdred and tell me what you see.

On January 18 2015 12:16 Damdred wrote:
Well geript I'm sure I will miss something talking with you here.

I think your post on dp had good direction, had clear thought patterns and pulled from past experiences in context for that part. It looks really towny from you and so its a really good post I don't think it proves one way or another about dp. But I'm procrastinating because of things diving him because dp has a way of being meh when I read his post.

I think shining is telling the truth about having limited net and drunk which isn't alignment indicative. but his post shows that he read what little of the thread there was to read and he had thoughts about it and was able to articulate them into reasonable points about people.

I hate list posts but his weren't overly bad this time.

I'm actually moving tr down my townlist and sinking. I had the huge post and the reasoning for not having scum reads is pretty bad band didn't sound genuine to me. And the interactions with GB just feel weird at points.

On January 19 2015 05:56 Damdred wrote:
I'm glad you asked me dp, I am lazy and think your obvious town. I don't see you being Scum nor a lynch so I'm ignoring your filter because I read you in thread as town.

On January 21 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote:


No offense DP, but you have a really egotistical writing style at points especially when talking about vets and newbs and it makes me feel meh about you.

But your postings in the thread were towny in context so no need for me to read your filter at that point.

On January 21 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:


No DP that's not alignment indicative I just hate reading you, quite honestly you drive me insane.

You were obv town though at that point so meh. Your posts make me feel meh they still make me feel meh.

On January 21 2015 13:27 Trfel wrote:
If I can save myself, claiming just makes myself worthless. The scum will shoot me for sure.

I'd rather wait to see if it is really necessary.

On January 22 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:


Eh, I was lazy :/ I'll admit. Have you had a chance to go back through the game, bring anything new to the table?

On January 23 2015 14:49 rsoultin wrote:


Okay, what makes him more scummy than anyone else? What part of his posting gives you the "formulaic" feeling?

On January 23 2015 15:17 rsoultin wrote:


I have read his filter. Have you read his fit at GB and Damdred? Doesn't seem fake to me.

The more relevant question I suppose is what makes Shining more scummy than LM? Or LM more townie than Shining?

On January 23 2015 15:22 rsoultin wrote:


The read of yours I called bad? lol

Calling him town for changing his vote when it was brought to his attention that his read on Bresh was based on complete misinformation? Anything else making you think he's town?

On January 23 2015 15:37 geript wrote:
Other than posting less which I brought up. But idk if that makes any difference.

On January 23 2015 15:59 rsoultin wrote:


Is it? You've made it clear you don't want to lynch LM and would prefer Shining, yes. But what about the rest of the game? The vote switch onto WW? Why not JJB? While most of us seem to be talking out our reads, I get the impression you're trying to consolidate yours with his, particularly Day 1.

Your filter seems very townie, it's true. I still think that. I like most of your analysis this game. Even your push on GB. But you really have been buddying up to geript and I think he's in the best position to evaluate whether or not that play is normal from you.

On January 23 2015 16:03 Breshke wrote:
RSo do you disagree with DP's read on the shining? I think it is fairly similar to what we were discussing before when i said his filter is hard to read. I just don't seem to interpret as being as scummy as DP is.

On January 23 2015 16:07 Breshke wrote:


I think some newbie towns are also careful with what they say not that anyone should get a pass for being new.

What do you think of me and RSo DP? Especially me, you seem more inclined to think LM is town and he scum reads me do you agree?

On January 23 2015 16:08 rsoultin wrote:


I do. I agree Shining is hard to read, however I did make the effort to read it and I'm not interpreting it as careful like he is. The rage against Damdred and GB, then the effort to make reads on geript and myself to determine which one of us is scum (when we're both generally townread and very vocal) do not seem like careful plays to me, even if he did townread us anyway after going back through.

More to the point, I do not understand his LM read at all. He's not making an effort to sell it to me. If he really thinks LM is town and going to be mislynched, you'd think he'd try harder, even with us dumb noobs, to get us to see what he's seeing xP

On January 23 2015 16:29 geript wrote:
Hey DP, let's play a pretend world. Let's say LM is mafia, who's his most likely partner? Let's say Damdred is mafia, who's his most likely partner?

On January 23 2015 20:20 Breshke wrote:
DP can you explain how LM is trying to solve the game. I can't see it, the only read he has substantiated is the read on me and he has 5 nulls whose alignments he doesn't seem interested in. Two of those nulls he had promised to look into and still isn't leaning either way on them. How can you call that trying to solve the game.