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Did you find anything in context, and I think your reasons are weak dp.
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I noticed that you said dps reasoning's were weak. What do you make of that?
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On January 20 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote:
I noticed that you said dps reasoning's were weak. What do you make of that? quid pro quo you also said his reasoning was weak after I did. What's your take?
Yea I don't see how LM is really re-evaluating reads or votes from that, he got caught in a mistake/lie/not reading and had to back peddle from it. Nothing really towny about that.
His other posts were really disjoined and really weren't flowing with the game in most spots so not sure why they were so good?
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On January 20 2015 02:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 02:32 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote:
I noticed that you said dps reasoning's were weak. What do you make of that? quid pro quo you also said his reasoning was weak after I did. What's your take? Yea I don't see how LM is really re-evaluating reads or votes from that, he got caught in a mistake/lie/not reading and had to back peddle from it. Nothing really towny about that. His other posts were really disjoined and really weren't flowing with the game in most spots so not sure why they were so good? Lol, no offense, but that's pretty obvious. What do you take from that regarding DP?
No clue DP is a better player than that though
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Setup two is tracker cop.
Explains a lot. lynch trfel
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Great job LS, you play Blue well.
##vote trfel
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Lol, Geript might actually be Scum after those posts.
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I'll post why when I get home but it's overly defensive
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JJB is an unccd tracker so really doesn't matter. On that regard if we have a doc claim and we have two Scum down.
The kill wasn't that bad. GB actions basically confirmed him as town, jarhar had suspicion over his claim so he wouldn't be a good night kill.
DP might be mafia at least one of the vets is probably try hard. But his post at eon made it seem he thought he would die, but that's wifom.
You tr dp dp town reads you. No reason to kill someone tr you at this moment. Kills in imperial were done for wifom and keep people who aren't confirmed and other reasons.
Either way, if rs doesn't understand something quote yourself instead of getting aggravated. In your first four posts you have, thrown dirt on jarjar ls damdred and rs.
I don't see town!Geript doing this when we have a red check.
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Of course we kill the confirmed scum right now.
Anyway I really agree with LS here, Trfel was so different from his first two games I played with him in no way he was town at this point. Can't really say its a bus by rsoultin
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On January 20 2015 11:46 geript wrote:
Scanning Trfel's filter. LM and JJB look to be the most likely mafia partners. I should've just lynched Trfel though. His flip onto GB when he had strongly townread him was odd especially after pushing LM.
But unless we get a medic claim or a tracker cc I really doubt jjb is the mafia at this point.
LM is a good shot at mafia though.
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Geript, lets say I calmed down and have taken a step back and gazed over your filters in Russian mafia and here. Im comfortable saying the anger here isn't like what happens in Russian where you are just 100% cool until you get caught by what you deem to be an imbalanced game.
I don't see you throwing doubts on people as mafia in this case, you would roll with it and bus your team mate without questioning claims I think.
I think you are towny this game, and shouldn't let my paranoia get the better of me probably.
So that leaves me with staring at (minus town reads)
Breshke
LM
geript talk to me about DP. How sure are you that hes town right here? I know you were pretty sure earlier?
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On January 20 2015 11:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred I know you played with Geript in Imperial Mafia (I was shadowing Palmar who you guys help mislynch) when he was VT does his play here so far similar to how he played in Imperial Mafia? Can you tell me any difference in his play here compared to there?
I really couldn't tell you because I don't think imperial is a good representation of Geripts town game. But I will say this as mafia geript is a lot more accommodating to questions rather than telling people go read I've already answered it.
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Well I am a bit unsure of geript but I think hes town here.
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Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
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Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
This is from my point of view obviously
So this is the way its looking right now Breshke. if we go by what you say and scum are spread out that would make rsoultin the last scum for you? I would think that there might be two scum on the GB wagon pushing it over the cliff.
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On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them.
Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets.
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On January 20 2015 13:41 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:
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Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently You may want to reread? He said LS was towniest of town, at least in the posts you quoted. At any rate, I find tfel's hard defense of JJB at EoD and my brother only really coming into the thread to say he was roleblocked, then breezing out again, more eeeeeh than I do him concentrating on trying to read players he's played with before. But that's just me. Is it strange that I was more confident he was town before he claimed? lol Un-CCd though so not worth thinking too much on. Hopefully he'll come back. Thanks for clarifying.
A hard defense of someone when its coming from mafia is easy. They have perfect information to pull upon, they get cred at the flip and boom good job them. JarJar is acting like bad confirmed town here but hes more than likely town.
Actually at this point someone should of CC'd him by now to give us two mafia on the block.
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On January 20 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before?
Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone.
If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum.
your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in
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On January 20 2015 13:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote:
Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. I thought i wasn't one of your townreads wasn't i on your PoE lynch list before? Right now I have five town reads and its all the unconfirmed people in the game I am 100% wrong on someone. If tre and LM flip scum DP looks the worst but doesn't necessarily make him scum. your posts look ok tonight so I have to re look at you. Shining could be scum and rs could be bussing. So yea its not a fun spot to be in Could you explain why if Lm flips scum with trefel DP is most likely. I think geriept said this aswell but then seemed to say DP would bus if his mafia partner wasn't pulling his weight which i think could describe LM although im not sure how he is usually.
I wouldn't say most likely per se, he would look the worst if lm flipped scum due to some meh reasonings on why he wouldn't lynch lm. Which is wifom a bit, and I'm not so sure dp would connect himself to his team mates in that way.
I'm going to read trfels filter tommrowo and glean information I can but now sleep
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