EPTOn January 18 2015 03:52 coolTLname wrote:
#unvote
my list so far
WarWaffle, Breshke, Shining
#unvote
my list so far
WarWaffle, Breshke, Shining
Why?
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On January 18 2015 04:07 coolTLname wrote: Mafia are generally scared of talking, every word they say can be used to incriminate them. These people seem scared Okay. Do you find anything scummy in anything that they have posted? Do you think that the entire mafia team is likely to be lurking? Town players with roles also tend to be scared to post, especially in games with this many newbies. Are you taking that into account when naming your scum team? Why is Shining in that group? He could just be completely inactive. (To be fair, without a decent scumread, I would be fine with lynching him, but I don't think we're at that stage yet with over 24 hours of the Day phase left.) | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:13 Damdred wrote: DP could be town or a mafia partner if i'm mafia. or I could just be lazy town currently Nah, not concerned about that. As you said, too many explanations for it to be significant. Check Trfel's filter on the player list. (Preemptively I will say that yes, I realize there is more than one way to access a filter and I am not calling you scum for this, thus the word: interesting.) | ||
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On January 18 2015 05:41 Damdred wrote: Oh I know his filter leads to eden however he was the first sign up so I got to his in really fast. And I knew that there was a good bit of discussion about him in the thread. Fair enough lol. Like I said, more interesting than anything else. Not at all on the same level as the Bats!trap in Carol. | ||
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On January 18 2015 07:57 Trfel wrote: I suppose I can see this. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game). I am trying very hard to find reasons to town-read you this game, Trfel. This is simply untrue. :/ WW analyzed HTS' post and gave a list post on his reads Day 1 last game. It seems about the same to me, except WW actually questioned someone this game (LS). Considering there are still 24ish hours left for Day 1...dude, give me a reason to town-read you, please >< | ||
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On January 18 2015 06:00 GlowingBear wrote: He is my pupil and he isn't doing what I'm expecting. I know he was in some RL trouble recently but since he confirmed, his total lurkage is odd. And I am going to lynch scummy lurkers day1. I hope you guys all have this in mind Of the lurkers/players with short filters I'm inclined to agree that Breshke appears the most scummy. Of course, part of that may be OMGUS lol, not gonna lie. | ||
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On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. He did go into an explanation for each and every player, it's true, but if you recall that was not terribly long before EoD and he was scumread by a lot of people for it because his reads were pretty wonky to most of us. You may not agree with GB that the post itself makes him town, but why are you trying to convince people that WW is scum? Are you scumreading him right now? While I don't agree with him on GB necessarily (I think GB has been doing a good job of analyzing this game) I can see where he's coming from just fine on the whole do something scum wouldn't do as scum to get townread. In fact, that should always be the objective of scum, shouldn't it? To not act like scum so they don't get caught? | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:17 DarthPunk wrote: Look at the formatting. One is literally a wall the other is formatted well and divided into easily readable chunks. I also respect Geripts opinion ( horrifying I know) and give zero fucks about trifles opinion. That is the only difference really. Are you caught up now? (Kinda been waiting for you to finish making your way through the thread.) | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: rsoultin and GlowingBear can you two read my meta case on Breshke being scum and tell me your thoughts please? LS, you know I <3 you, but that's not really a case ^^; It's saying Breshke is playing lurky and then links to his two scum games where he presumably also lurked. (I know he wasn't the most active in metal, which I was following as it was playing out, but the problem there as I recall was him sheeping his scumread in the Day 1 vote.) I'm not seeing the inquisitiveness that I saw from him in our town game together. I think his little bit of a nothing push on me lacked follow-through, and am wondering why he didn't look into, question or comment on anything else. | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:32 LightningStrike wrote: Did you read the latest scum game of his (New Years Eve Party)? He posting about the same style as he had in that game in my opinion. Also yes mafia!Breshke loves to sheep and just lay back and maybe smoke weed and all that stuff crazy stuff. Lol, I was supposed to read New Years Eve for Damdred as a possible replace, but then he let the cat out of the bag on one of the roles  (he was frustrated) and so I couldn't replace in.So no, I haven't read it. Imperial and our Newbie game were all I had time for. A look through his filter though makes it look like he was certainly more active even in New Years Eve than he is here, which makes me think his inactivity I not alignment indicative. Not really on point, but good call on the Bresh shot, vig xP | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: [...] JJB - [...] This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? [...] Trfel - Damn, Shining, lol. You're not my lynch for today. I don't know how much I actually believe in scum slips, though I have seen ritoky commit one, but this is an angle I hadn't thought of with JarJar. You're right that only scum would know if doc/cop was the setup. :/ | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:38 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah basically. This game started on a weekend for me and I am kinda busy. I missed this post. Yes, your response did answer my question. I think Damdred already answered the question you were asking him, though, in his reads post. So then it just becomes a matter of whether you believe him or not. Gonna play devil's advocate here even though I'm not scumreading you right now: assuming Tfel is town, does scum never defend town? If you had to lynch someone right this second, who would it be? | ||
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On January 18 2015 09:08 Trfel wrote: When I'm saying I'm scumreading someone, I'm pretty serious about it. I'm not scumreading him, but I do think his play is suspicious. Are you saying that his reads aren't wonky in this game, since I think they are (for previously stated reasons). I was able to understand his reads in the previous game. Of course scum wants to try and get townread. But doing a townie thing doesn't make someone scum. At worst, it makes them null. Except in extreme circumstances, of course. GlowingBear, how does Hapahauli coaching have any effect on your actions/reads? I'm saying that based on last game wonky reads don't make WW scum. I don't think his read on you is wonky. As I've said before...I'm trying really hard to find a reason to town-read you. You yourself mention doing a "townie thing" doesn't make someone scum, but at worst makes them null. I don't feel you're being contributive. Sorry. I wish I could say that I did. And without anything else "townie" from you, at best you're null. But I expect more from you. Even as a town role you were great. So...you being at best null to me is highly suspicious. Again, give me a reason to town-read you, Trfel. | ||
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On January 18 2015 10:30 Trfel wrote: rsoultin, I'm not scumreading TheWarWaffle. I'm saying that his play seems different this game from last game, and that it is suspicious. He responded with an adequate explanation (I don't have a phone, so I forgot that phone posting is something that a lot of people do). So I will wait and see what happens, though I still question the quality of his reasoning. Fair enough, Trfel. I agree that his explanation for you and GB as scum, by itself, doesn't seem strong enough for a scumread. Maybe when he fully explains himself it will be easier to follow. | ||
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On January 18 2015 10:41 Trfel wrote: That's a good point. Still, when I made the initial statement, he hadn't said that he would make a more complete version of the post later. The way I read his post, that was the fully explained version. Which has me and GlowingBear (well, I'm obviously biased, so you can argue about me but definitely not GlowingBear) being scumread while doing the exact same things that he says the people he townreads are town for. I just agreed with you xP Defensive much? | ||
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On January 18 2015 11:57 geript wrote: Say what? Why do you think Shining is town (or in the least not worthy of being lynched) for that post? 5. @Rsoultin. Why do you find Damdred scummy for that specific post? + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 03:56 rsoultin wrote: Interesting. I don't dislike your play so far...but that response is interesting. Can anyone else point out why it raises concerns? Regarding Shining, it was mostly just because he mentioned the point on JJB possibly knowing the setup this game (which only scum could) and that's a point I hadn't noticed before. I also didn't see anything in his analysis that jumped out at me as god-awful (something I try not to scumread people for anyway after Carol and the shitfest with SL and GB and all their present chatter). Nothing scummy on Damdred from that post. It was a half-trap that I realized halfway in wasn't a good trap lol cause we can still see players' filters. (Eden's filter was linked to Trfel's on page 1.) Damdred I'm reserving judgment on presently, if you're curious. Part of it is how little I'm generally agreeing with him, and part of it is his "reaction test" I didn't think was very good, personally. But he wouldn't be the first townie I disagreed with. | ||
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I believe I said not a Day 1 lynch. Let me clarify that I am not townreading Shining at this time. | ||
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On January 17 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote: ##Vote geript Note the time. Less than a full minute after game start. On January 17 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote: He said that he would only be making 10 posts per day. I personally feel that it will be extremely hard for him to play effectively with 10 posts per day. If he is purposefully handicapping himself with a very strict post limit and that causes him to play poorly and be lynched, that's his fault; we can't allow for players to intentionally play badly. I will remove my vote if he proves himself useful. Best I can tell without him quoting the post he was responding to himself, this was a result of LS' question. Note the bolded reason: policy lynch dependent on Geript being "useful". On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote: Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch. No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck). I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario. Note the bolded portion again. It went from when Geript is "useful" to when he feels like it...after I asked him whether or not he planned to lynch a policy lynch over a scumread. On January 17 2015 13:20 Trfel wrote: Not at all. To be honest, I expect that geript will be just fine with only 10 posts. His analytical skills won't be hampered at all, he only loses most of his ability to question people and it will be difficult for him to push a lynch. Assuming that others do those two things for him, he should be just fine. ##Unvote Now that I have clarified this, I would really like to hear your thoughts on what other people have said so far. Huh? What was the purpose of the policy lynch then? Geript had yet to post in the thread at the time of Trfel's unvote. On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Parsed this down out of his giant reads post. I will address his reads themselves in a moment. So now it's to generate discussion. Okay, so his reasons went from: Policy Lynch (Geript can't possibly be effective with such few posts) to he'll change it when he feels like it, to nevermind he thinks Geript will be fine (before Geript has posted once), to nope, just to generate discussion. <- Interesting that this is after GB already tried to explain Trfel's behavior. Was GB just right, or was this a convenient excuse that Tfel could now use to explain it away? Even if you think, as some of you do, that all of this wasn't strange and even thought it made Trfel town (still mind-boggling to me), I laid off him some to see if he came up with anything but a weird-ass Trfel's Reads + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back. LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before? GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. - LS "weird" for changing viewpoint based on vet opinions. Really? - GBs opening claim. I think someone already mentioned that if they're supposedly doing the same thing, this is an odd read. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). Weird-more, towny...null? LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. Liked questioning, suspicious...null? No reason to include this except to say HEY LOOK I TOWNREAD A TOWN!! I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. What? Between suddenly townreading(ish?) GB after suggesting he was scum earlier, all the back and forth, and the fact he never actually mentions Damdred individually...I feel like I got nothing from Trfel out of this paragraph. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Lot of words to describe yet another null read. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Towny, scummy. Null again?! Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. JarJar horrible opening->useful thoughts; Me: Town meta (no one knows how I play scum but Shining and Dammy, lol) -> reads less independent...so...null reads again. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). This to me is just icky. Huge explanation at the end of his reads as to why he's been sucking this game (sorry, Trfel, but I'm entitled to my own opinions and you've rocked other games) with a conclusion that as long as he's providing content the quality doesn't matter? At least, that's how I read the bolded section. With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. And now, the giant novel of null.  Seriously, there is pretty much nothing useful in this post. Open the spoiler and see my comments, but essentially he wrote paragraphs on half the players in this game just to call them null, then defended his lack of quality content. Also, if you can On January 18 2015 06:35 Trfel wrote: Sorry, you're right, that wasn't clear enough. I try to play with really high standards for scumreading someone. I stated this in my last game if you need me to dig up that quote. I am most suspicious of LoneMeow and a bit suspicious of DarthPunk. At the moment, my lynch list would probably be LoneMeow, then The Shining, then Breshke, then DarthPunk. However, I'm not going to worry about (potentially) policy lynching until the deadline is much closer. :/ LoneMeow and DarthPunk who were (apparent?) null reads, with Shining and Breshke (definite null reads for lack of activity)...so, really no scumreads. I'm having a hard time with this idea that Trfel has absolutely no strong town/scumreads at all this game. There's obviously more in his filter, to include WW and DP later in the game, and some questions. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure Trfel is scum. I do think that he is the most likely to flip scum of the players here, however. My reasons in a nutshell: - His reasons for his opening post kept changing. - No reads. What he does post is a lot of verbage to say he doesn't have an earthly clue and everyone is null. Blech. ##Vote: Trfel | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:30 geript wrote: I'm just going to go ahead and say this right now. If you newbies ever lynch DP after I die, I swear to fucking god I will reach out from my grave and vigi shoot every single one of the townies who vote for him. Lol, good to know. -flicks- I get shot (at) every game so don't really care. Not by vigis though. That said DP is not even within the realm of people I'm considering to lynch right now. | ||
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On January 18 2015 15:33 geript wrote: This is the thing that really bugged me about JJB, more than alot of the other little stuff that's been brought up. I'm not seeing how a towny could scum somebody for "leaving a [townie] lynchwagon so fast." Like to me, what Cool said wasn't cool and was pretty sarcastic and mean. I'm not sure if he meant any of it honestly. It's not OMGUS, it's like "Oh you should be scumreading but you left it so fast when you should be scumreading me." It's basically saying Cool is mafia for unvoting JJB, but that doesn't make any sort of sense unless JJB actually is mafia. Devil's advocate time. Or maybe just protective big sister time. He was parroting Damdred there. Whether you think the parroting is scummy or not is up to you, but it's a little obvious where he got that from. Just saying: On January 17 2015 23:48 Damdred wrote: A reaction or pressure test is brining that up and voting instantly IE like GB did. You say that you haven't analys'd Jarjar yet, but then why go after him and then one post later say I love this post and never mention him again? There seems to be a disconnect between what you say and what you ar edoing. | ||
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