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On January 17 2015 13:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. xP Lol, sure. Cause it wasn't at all straight up mimicking him or anything to make a point.  GB, how much do I really need to do to look contributive? You may want to finish reading the thread before you start making judgments.
Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them.
This makes you contributive.
AAAAAND I'm done catching up.
Trfel is definetely town
DP may be town
Rasputin may be town
LS may be scum
Cool TL name may be scum
jar jar may be scum
Damdred you'll have to puke green this game.
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Oh GB my dear well see how I feel in the morning I'm pretty burned out though atm.
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Ls is scum, shining is scum and jarjar is scum.
Easy game easy life.
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GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption.
You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it.
On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE
What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad?
I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)
Also, why the emphasis on Damdred?
+ Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game?
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:
##Vote geript On January 17 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:I come out guns blazing, with fireworks and cannon fire, and meet silence...... Guess maybe I'll go do something else and wait for you guys to catch up XD
I want to talk about this post more because I think it's more telling about DP than it is of Trfel because of DP's read on Trfel here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?page=8#150
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him.
I actually really like this post. There's a bit of condescending tone towards DP in it. It's much like smacking a snake. I don't think it's a worthwhile post, but it's also a post that I don't think LS could make as mafia. The "freeness" to speak his mind feels exceptionally towny to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Also we seem to lacking a female atm and I would like to speak to her now 
And less towny. In the newbie game, I don't really remember LS ever not feeling comfortable to post whatever the fuck he wanted. That said, he already has a 1 page filter (effectively) so I think I'll probably just stick with the townread for now.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind.
Reread Trfel
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter.
She's had 1-2 posts so far but I like rsoultin for town already. I think this is both a good read and interesting as it accurately summarizes why I was a bit caught off guard by Trfel's entrance.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:06 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Also DP GB had good reads in Carol so idk why you think his reads is normally bad tbh with you. It was a dig at him. I guess mafia never understand humor though so I forgive you. I'm not scum and I just found the conversation between you and GB a little bit odd but it because I never played with both of you together in a single game (first time playing with you DP),
I probably shouldn't read into this as much as I am. But how I think of LS (as a WoS clone), I don't think that he could actually post this as mafia. Call me a sucker if you like, but I'm just going to paint LS green for today unless I see something really eye-popping. There's also a way in which LS stands his ground on this feels very towny and confident.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote:
WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game!
I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers?
This post is exceptionally odd. JJB has had a number of odd voting statistic crap in the newbie game I coached/analyzed. While he's generally on the more inactive side of things, I actually find this post quite odd as currently it's his only post and hasn't really done anything with it. JJB has also struck me as more of a player who's more likely to flounder between doing things. So it actually seems pretty odd between being a "numbers guy" and less direction oriented that he'd suggest a no lynch and do nothing to push it.
Sidenote: On January 17 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Scum:
JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum.
I like that LS brought this up. I'll keep LS green for now.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:48 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:45 Trfel wrote:
There is no voting thread XD someone is really prepared for this game haha
LightningStrike, you played in Carol of the Bells. So did LoneMeow. Any thoughts on him? Lolol, oops. Well, explain then. -cracks whip- Seriously, you've dodged twice now. First quibbling over how many posts you posted in Carol on Day 2, then commenting that I didn't read the OP. (Which is true >> probably should go do that now.) I explained it already. I feel that geript is purposefully handicapping himself. Yes, his decision to use 10 posts per day was made before the game began, therefore before he knew his alignment. That doesn't matter though, since if he really is going to handicap himself, he deserves to get lynched for it. If he either stops using this self-imposed restriction or proves that he can play successfully using it, great for him. I generally try to be careful with calling people scum, that is true. But voting someone and calling them scum are very different things. Votes can be done in jest or for a wide variety of reasons, surely I don't need to provide examples for you.
This post comes across as intentionally stubborn. That's something I tend to associate more with mafia than town. Additionally, Trfel is a player who in the newbie game I could read quite easily based on the quality of his posts quite early on. On opening his filter, he's actually asked more questions than he has given quality opinions. For a higher content poster, that's actually rather surprising and telling imo that he hasn't made 1 good post that in any way makes me think he's actually town. Trfel is probably a very good lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows. This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs- It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game? Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary. He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action.
Less trusting of DP. I don't like how the reason for townreading Trfel feels like changes here. In looking at his filter, I'm less sure it actually changes. Best place to put this right now is between the townread on Trfel and the seeming change, if Trfel flips mafia, then DP is significantly more likely to be mafia. I still don't want to lynch him thought because of this post: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
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This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) You scum bro? I come in with an observation, you attack the observation, then ask me what my thoughts are in the middle of a discussion of my thoughts, then agree with me after disagreeing with me. Then start asking for a female?!??! You seem to be playing in a disjointed manner. It already feels like there is a disconnect between you and the happenings in the game. Don't like it. I not scum and I Was refering to rsoultin because she hasn't entered the thread yet and would love to talk to her about the game. I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them. How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking?
Town:
Rsoultin
LightningStrike
Don't Lynch for now:
Darth Punk
Null:
Breshke
Damdred
Glowingbear
LoneMeow
TheWarWaffle
CoolTLname
TheShining
Good Lynches:
Jarjarbinks
Trfel
Questions I need answers to:
1. @DP. Did you come into this game with any preconceived notions, views or reputation on Trfel?
2. @DP. Do you disagree with any of the reads I've made so far and why?
3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis?
4. @Damdred. Explain the reasons for your 3 scum reads. Especially the LS read.
5. @GB. Explain why you think Trfel is obviously town at this point specifically + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 13:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On January 17 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario. Mhm. The question was not what your rules are. The question was do you intend to scumhunt at all? Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question? Will you or will you not adhere to policy voting over scumread voting? Since you can't possibly be scumreading geript off of no posting (and have admitted to such) I feel that it's a valid question. I don't understand where you are coming from. Of course I intend to scumhunt. Why do you ask a question which has only one answer? This guy is town.
6. @Shining. Where you at boo?
7. @JJB. What are your reads as of right now and why?
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Ok I see that I am #1 on some lynch lists for my "no lynch" post. Loving it more than McDonalds (sarcasm...).
Logic applied to "no lynch vote":
Game is balanced on the thought that town lynches town on Day1. As long we get people talking about their thoughts and have relevant history on players, I do not see why we should lynch town Day1.
Reason why I thought it would be a good idea to do (...lol)
Read part (maybe I should have read the whole thing lol) of the get better at mafia link on this site and saw that making plans were good things. Since there is no cop/medic setups (I thought I saw that at the beginning) I could not figure out a good plan. So I went to google to find mafia strategies. First one I find? The no lynch day one. The site actually went on to make every person make an "opening statement" about everything and then people would question them based on their statement. But after day 1, they said don't lynch. I thought it was a good idea and did an analysis (yes using numbers...lol) to see which side was more favored with a day 1 no lynch. I bet you can guess what I found.
I see many people think I will use voting analysis like last game. I think it got enough hate for a while. I definitely needed more data points to do the type of regressions I was doing. I had 2 then, 4 now. I probably won't talk about that again.
Anyways, the mafia link also said establishing innocence was like priority #1. I definitely have screwed that one up again (rsoultin we should talk after this game lolz). I will go into what I think of who using quotes and stuff.
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On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive.
I agreed with this when I read it. I see people towning rsoultin for contributing. IMO she would do this every game mafia or no. Her pressuring of Trfel is not alignment indicative. However, I feel like her pressure led discussion so I'm glad she will do this every game.
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On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs)
This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for.
IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience.
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On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game?
I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience.
A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time.
Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners.
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jarjarbinks
People aren't really suspecting you because of the logical reasoning behind your no lynch post, but the way u presented it. nice re-direct attempt though.
On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote:
WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game!
I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers?
Very useful information for town. So exciting that u went afk and totally silent. Well , maybe just in this thread.
Why did you go afk for so long when u were *trying* to generate discussion? Or was that just bullshit fluff, while u were busy consulting with your mafia team?
previous game history:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=jarjarbinks
On January 07 2015 02:02 jarjarbinks wrote:Singular posts that are suspicious to me (Ignore my lack of knowledge on the English language if you can!)- Shining- Based off 1 past game, I could see Shining’s posts on here being similar to when she was mafia last game. Really weak case though, as I’ve only played with Shining once. I could see her defending her way out of my suspicion, since it is a weak case and Shining has prodded several different people as well as defended herself in the past. Tubesock- If I was a mafia, I would be playing like tubesock. First posts are shallowish, then stepped it up when told to. + Show Spoiler +I haven’t thought his recent posts have been that great, they mostly follow up other’s ideas. It would be posts I could see myself posting if I wanted to post more. Plus he is off Celestial’s scum-list, which does worry me that he will be off other’s as well. A solid defense against my suspicion would be that tubesock is new and is now more confident in posting than he was at the beginning. He has also made analysis, just not at the level as others in my opinion. I don’t think Tubesock would be a smart day 1 lynch because I think we could figure him out later because of the amount of posts he has been posting.
Silverarte- If I had to choose someone who was playing similar to LS that wasn’t LS it would be Silverarte. Silverarte has no relative suspicion in comparison to LS which makes me suspicious!
Gumdrop- Lack of posts. Most people have given him a pass which isn’t good in my opinion. He has gotten some votes though, despite me seeing myself as an easier target than gumdrop. A good defense against my suspicion would be his last post, which I thought was pretty good.
LS- I would file LS as suspicious but someone I would want to not lynch day 1. He has the attention of people, and he posts a lot. I think it should be easier to determine him mafia later on IF he is mafia. I think it would be easier to get backing from others as well based on what I have read on here so far.
Suspicions on collaboration (I think it would be stupid to collaborate as mafia day 1, but what do I know):
Celestial-Exo: Small hints of collaboration. If I was mafia, I think the best person to estabilish my credibility as town would be Celestial. Have generally agreed with all of their posts. Both went after LS.
Rsoultin-Silverarte-LS-me if you would like: Rsoultin generally makes good logical arguments from what I have seen from her and from personal experience. It is very easy to bandwagon her points. Silverarte, LS, and I have all done that already. Silverarte has been on her side since the beginning. You can attribute that to them being friends. LS did bandwagon on Rsoultins ideas, but you could attribute that to LS’s defense. Still worth noting for now.
People I’m generally scared of:
Celestial- Established great credibility day 1. Your writing style is very similar to a very established economist professor’s. If I was good at this game and was mafia, establishing credibility would be a top priority.
Rsoultin- Very good at prodding and generating very logical arguments against people. Which means, if mafia, would be very good at it. Can prod and generate arguments about fallacies in people’s posts remarkably well. If she is mafia, I will have a difficult time reading it and a difficult time trying to convince others of it.
People I think are least scummy:
HTS-Good analysis and limited posts make it hard for me to be suspicious.
Exo- great prodder early day and seems to be flinging scum everywhere. I would try to do this as scum (I think I’d have a better shot at this over establishing credibility lol). I also like that he tried to generate others to talk more (I’m such a hypocrite). Plus, people have been suspicious of him. That makes me a little more at ease about not being suspicious of him just in case he truly is mafia.
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Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.
Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.
Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.
CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE
Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.
DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought.
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Finally Questions!
Rsoultin: What is your stance on DP?
Gereipt: I noticed you put GlowingBear in your null section. What are your thoughts on his play so far? His town read of Trfel (who you scumread)?
Damdred: Could you provide reasoning behind your scumposts of LS? I think I know why you scummed me and shining lolz
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On January 17 2015 18:52 coolTLname wrote:jarjarbinks
People aren't really suspecting you because of the logical reasoning behind your no lynch post, but the way u presented it. nice re-direct attempt though. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote:
WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game!
I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? Very useful information for town. So exciting that u went afk and totally silent. Well , maybe just in this thread. Why did you go afk for so long when u were *trying* to generate discussion? Or was that just bullshit fluff, while u were busy consulting with your mafia team? previous game history: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=jarjarbinksShow nested quote +On January 07 2015 02:02 jarjarbinks wrote:Singular posts that are suspicious to me (Ignore my lack of knowledge on the English language if you can!)- Shining- Based off 1 past game, I could see Shining’s posts on here being similar to when she was mafia last game. Really weak case though, as I’ve only played with Shining once. I could see her defending her way out of my suspicion, since it is a weak case and Shining has prodded several different people as well as defended herself in the past. Tubesock- If I was a mafia, I would be playing like tubesock. First posts are shallowish, then stepped it up when told to. + Show Spoiler +I haven’t thought his recent posts have been that great, they mostly follow up other’s ideas. It would be posts I could see myself posting if I wanted to post more. Plus he is off Celestial’s scum-list, which does worry me that he will be off other’s as well. A solid defense against my suspicion would be that tubesock is new and is now more confident in posting than he was at the beginning. He has also made analysis, just not at the level as others in my opinion. I don’t think Tubesock would be a smart day 1 lynch because I think we could figure him out later because of the amount of posts he has been posting.
Silverarte- If I had to choose someone who was playing similar to LS that wasn’t LS it would be Silverarte. Silverarte has no relative suspicion in comparison to LS which makes me suspicious!
Gumdrop- Lack of posts. Most people have given him a pass which isn’t good in my opinion. He has gotten some votes though, despite me seeing myself as an easier target than gumdrop. A good defense against my suspicion would be his last post, which I thought was pretty good.
LS- I would file LS as suspicious but someone I would want to not lynch day 1. He has the attention of people, and he posts a lot. I think it should be easier to determine him mafia later on IF he is mafia. I think it would be easier to get backing from others as well based on what I have read on here so far.
Suspicions on collaboration (I think it would be stupid to collaborate as mafia day 1, but what do I know):
Celestial-Exo: Small hints of collaboration. If I was mafia, I think the best person to estabilish my credibility as town would be Celestial. Have generally agreed with all of their posts. Both went after LS.
Rsoultin-Silverarte-LS-me if you would like: Rsoultin generally makes good logical arguments from what I have seen from her and from personal experience. It is very easy to bandwagon her points. Silverarte, LS, and I have all done that already. Silverarte has been on her side since the beginning. You can attribute that to them being friends. LS did bandwagon on Rsoultins ideas, but you could attribute that to LS’s defense. Still worth noting for now.
People I’m generally scared of:
Celestial- Established great credibility day 1. Your writing style is very similar to a very established economist professor’s. If I was good at this game and was mafia, establishing credibility would be a top priority.
Rsoultin- Very good at prodding and generating very logical arguments against people. Which means, if mafia, would be very good at it. Can prod and generate arguments about fallacies in people’s posts remarkably well. If she is mafia, I will have a difficult time reading it and a difficult time trying to convince others of it.
People I think are least scummy:
HTS-Good analysis and limited posts make it hard for me to be suspicious.
Exo- great prodder early day and seems to be flinging scum everywhere. I would try to do this as scum (I think I’d have a better shot at this over establishing credibility lol). I also like that he tried to generate others to talk more (I’m such a hypocrite). Plus, people have been suspicious of him. That makes me a little more at ease about not being suspicious of him just in case he truly is mafia.
Like how you grab for the low hanging fruit there.
Would you like me to share what I did on my Friday night besides this game? It's kind of nerdy. Definitely willing to share if that's what your suspicions are based off of.
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On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.
Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.
Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.
CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE
Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.
DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought.
So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?
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On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.
Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.
Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.
CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE
Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.
DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought. So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads?
And what do you make of it?
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On January 17 2015 22:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:16 LoneMeow wrote:On January 17 2015 19:04 jarjarbinks wrote:
Those were the major reads I got from what I have read up to when I started posting. I'm tired so I will not elaborate on the other people who have posted besides basic thoughts.
Gereipt: Your analysis seems fair. I feel like you would do this no matter what game you play. I haven't played this game to know if you left something out (if your mafia). So I can't give you a solid town or mafia read for now.
Lonemeow: Only defended Trfel and questioned Rsoultin's questioning. Probably due to lack of playing with Rsoultin. This is a possible lurker in my eyes. I guess we shall find out tomorrow.
CoolITLname- definite lurker! Or you know, could be sleeping or something...lol WE SHALL SEE
Waffle- Tried to ask LS a question to establish credibility. Let's see what he does.
DP- I liked gereipts analysis on DP. Very jumpy on Rsoultin for questioning Trfel as well as "missed" Trfel "making waves". Possible she could have just jumped on Rsoultin for the same reasons Rsoultin jumped on Trfel thought. So your major reads are a summary of what people have done so far? No one is scum or town? Then why call them reads? And what do you make of it?
It's on the scummier side of things, as scum he'd want to look like he's giving reads even when he really isn't. However, knowing his play in the previous game it's not as conclusive as it could be.
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On January 17 2015 18:25 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. I agreed with this when I read it. I see people towning rsoultin for contributing. IMO she would do this every game mafia or no. Her pressuring of Trfel is not alignment indicative. However, I feel like her pressure led discussion so I'm glad she will do this every game.
i like this post a lot. Because it shows u have a brain and know how to actually play , but nice try on the charade of stupidity u present otherwise
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On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game?
I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because:
(1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion.
(2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread.
Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less.
Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred.
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On January 16 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote:
Shining sleeps during the day because he works night shifts he will respond
*before game started*
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