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Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario.
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EBWOP: that first line looks a bit strange. To make it absolutely clear:
WE WILL LYNCH ON DAY 1
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Ls might be scum gotta look on him, him asking for a meta read on me is strange I think if I'm understanding it since we've played a good 3-5 games together I think.
We will be lynching day one and might be jarjar today
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On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario.
Mhm.
The question was not what your rules are. The question was do you intend to scumhunt at all? Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question? Will you or will you not adhere to policy voting over scumread voting? Since you can't possibly be scumreading geript off of no posting (and have admitted to such) I feel that it's a valid question.
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EBWOP:
By admitted to such I meant that you have outright stated that the vote is not dependent on his alignment. Which it shouldn't be, so that makes sense.
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On January 17 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario. Mhm. The question was not what your rules are. The question was do you intend to scumhunt at all? Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question? Will you or will you not adhere to policy voting over scumread voting? Since you can't possibly be scumreading geript off of no posting (and have admitted to such) I feel that it's a valid question.
I don't understand where you are coming from. Of course I intend to scumhunt. Why do you ask a question which has only one answer?
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Can't policy voting be scum hunting as well rso
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On January 17 2015 12:00 Damdred wrote:
Can't policy voting be scum hunting as well rso
It can. Not sure how it is in this situation, but it can be, certainly.
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On January 17 2015 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Ls might be scum gotta look on him, him asking for a meta read on me is strange I think if I'm understanding it since we've played a good 3-5 games together I think.
We will be lynching day one and might be jarjar today
I was just stating what I was getting knowing your meta but at the time you had just 1 post and it wasn't really alignment indicative. Also I only played with you on 3 complete games (Student IV when I Was scum you town, Carol both of us as town, Metal Mini both of us as town).
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Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows.
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On January 17 2015 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Ls might be scum gotta look on him, him asking for a meta read on me is strange I think if I'm understanding it since we've played a good 3-5 games together I think.
We will be lynching day one and might be jarjar today
I reread LightningStrike's filter, and I don't see where it says that he is asking for a meta read on you? The only mention of you that I saw is him saying that he didn't yet have a meta read on you based on your (at the time) one post in this game.
I need to head out for a bit, I will try to be back on later. If anyone has questions for me, please feel free to ask.
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On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows.
This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs-
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On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows.
Do you mean my reads atm? If so here are my reads for the time
Town:
rsoultin: She been pressuring Tfrel about the policy lynching geript with some good questiong to Tfrel.
Tfrel: The early vote on geript since the opening of the game is more likely to come from a townie than a scum player although it's a odd entrance by his own meta but town for now.
DarthPunk: Questioning me and rsoultin decently about the early parts of the game.
GlowingBear: He hard claimed Vanilla Town with absolutely no pressure at all although it's bad play but why would scum claim VT with no pressure on them?
Need more posts to figure out alignments:
coolTLname: No posts so far as far as I remember.
Breshke: No posts from him so far.
LoneMeow: Need more posts from him other than the questions towards me asking why I wanted to talk to rsoultin out of all of the lurkers.
geript: No posts so far but in pregame he said he only posting 10 posts per Day phase 5 per Night phase so will see how it goes for now.
The Shining: No posts yet in the game.
TheWarWaffle: Only making the 1 post referencing I wasn't really in your face type of style in the newbie but didn't make post after that.
Scum:
JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum.
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On January 17 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows. This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs-
It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game?
Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary.
He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action.
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rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
LightningStrike, why do you townread GlowingBear for that opening? Yes, it is true that there is no motivation for scum to claim VT right at the start of the game with no pressure. But there is also no motivation for town to claim VT right at the start of the game with no pressure.
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On January 17 2015 12:51 Trfel wrote:
rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
LightningStrike, why do you townread GlowingBear for that opening? Yes, it is true that there is no motivation for scum to claim VT right at the start of the game with no pressure. But there is also no motivation for town to claim VT right at the start of the game with no pressure.
I don't see scum claiming VT as early as he did with no pressure put on him because if they claimed VT they would be stuck in a role claim anyone can make and would botch scum chance of winning by claiming VT so early.
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Ok I'm back home after an awesome night. Gonna read through things.
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I'm drunk though
Of beer and love
More beer than love
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Guys I'm going to bed right now and after I wake up I will read everything after this post and comment on what I think of the stuff!
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Soz had irl shit to do
On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda?
rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not.
I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum.
Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere.
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