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On December 31 2014 08:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can vote for you on D1 DH, that's no problem. When you do that can I say you're mafia because Day 1 is actually a crapshoot and nobody should bother trying? That seems to be a popular wave of thought whenever I try to say stuff on first days I'll probably be at work when the game starts and miss all the great and grand debates about RNGs and lynching lurkers. What a bummer. | ||
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I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars. If you are town and thinking about fake claiming or something to pull off some kind of sick trick, don't do it. I hate that more than anything. I will also more or less ignore every single "town" plan involving mass claims, trying to rig/game the setup, it's way too hard to get everyone on the same page and it has never ever worked in my experience. I usually only glance through setups, terrible with numbers and I just don't approach mafia in that way at all. I don't care about what roles are in this game etc. If you are the type of player who likes to heavily analyze the setup, roles, stats, numbers, whatever that's fine but it will wash right over me so don't flip your lid and tunnel me for being sloppy with that kind of stuff. How does everyone feel about lurking players? Lower than expected activity can indicate blue just as much as scum. I like when DTs focus their checks on the lurkers rather than players who are active. There isn't a great in thread way to deal with lurkers. If I analyse lurkers post history at all, I usually wait until Day 2 or 3, that's enough time for the people who are lurking for a reason to make themselves more apparent I think. | ||
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On December 31 2014 15:20 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars. i don't, why do you? i feel like i can just look at a particular situation and decide for myself if someone who was caught lying was town and trying too hard to do something cool or if they're mafia. and i'm putting all my votes on my best mafia read not on any policy. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I will also more or less ignore every single "town" plan involving mass claims, trying to rig/game the setup, it's way too hard to get everyone on the same page and it has never ever worked in my experience. just peeking at the setup real quick i'm almost positive this isn't going to be an issue, not seeing anything to game Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:How does everyone feel about lurking players? Lower than expected activity can indicate blue just as much as scum. I like when DTs focus their checks on the lurkers rather than players who are active. There isn't a great in thread way to deal with lurkers. If I analyse lurkers post history at all, I usually wait until Day 2 or 3, that's enough time for the people who are lurking for a reason to make themselves more apparent I think. not to be rude but this all seems obvious to the point of fluff... i rather just put all my votes on best mafia read and attempt to discern b/t town lurkers and mafia lurkers as the game goes along instead of making activity a point of interest. i don't worry about them until i get a vote record unless i'm really stumped verdict: Doc's post seems stiff and awkwardly timed, and I feel like most of the policy discussion that might ensue from this won't really get anywhere, but it beats chasing people up trees for opening game banter. I guess I like Doc as town for now I think a town meta that sticks to LAL makes it much harder for mafia to maneuver in general. If people start letting town lies slide I feel way less pressured as scum and immediately start thinking of how I could abuse fake claims. A town that clinches down on that sort of thing would make me nervous. I dont usually support policy lynches but anyone caught in a lie deserves intense scrutiny and questioning imo | ||
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On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy. what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non? Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this. | ||
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On December 31 2014 15:29 Eden1892 wrote: eh i don't really see it, doc. as mafia i'm not going to try to lie any more or less if townies start lying, i'm probably going to exploit townies lying by trying to push policy lynches on them. policy lynches on townies are free mislynches for mafia and i mean yeah, "intense scrutiny and questioning" sure, but are you afraid people are actually NOT going to do this? this almost seems like an empty statement Yeah, I do fear that sadly enough. Ov course , in the timeframe of a single game it doesn't mean anything. I'm just talking general meta and from when I did most of my playing (a while ago) it was v eady to get away with fakeclaims as scum (ive been scum many times and done it myself many times) or set up weird vuses (buses) in themed games and sfuff (stuff). When towns in general are lax about that stuff (as i have once known them to be) i don't worry so much if i roll scum. Townies who lie just throw a wrench into everything by creatinf (creatinf /€ fuck) we Creating mislynch opportunities. Sorry for the typos amd weird formatting. Did it again. Can't backspace on my mobile for some reason, really abboying annoying seeing as I have enormous thumbs. | ||
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On December 31 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What's up nerds. Let's talk policy - unlike a lot of people I think it's plenty useful on Day 1. I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars. What's your policy on lynching people who claim scum? What does that mean | ||
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I agree that its scummy to throw a case like that down. It seemed like he had a template for a day 1 scum read but he jist changed it to "towny" at the end. In a way there is a subtext od of "i think youre town for acting like scum" which is the kind of mistake made vy by mafia who are scared to really push but just wanna thro doubt and ruin crefibility. Its not that serious or insidious and i think he should just clarify his reasoning, but its a syart syartstart . Fucking start. | ||
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On December 31 2014 15:45 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yes. Slam dunk case. No point in him even defending himself really. Then why didn't you follow this up with a vote on him? I want the scum to show up in the thread before I shove it in his face. I"m an awesome vet and this guy is a chump if I've ever seen one. Keep it up, you'll nail everyone soon. I think ad that damdred has some splaining yo do. To do. | ||
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On December 31 2014 16:12 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He just did post his own conclusions on geript lol. Why are you so on peoples nuts this early, you're treating everythinf like you're 5 minutes away from posting some earth shattering case That's because Eden keeps on coming across as more and more scummy the more he posts. Plus it's kinda what I do. You know that was @ritoky right? I'm not sure what my post has to do with Eden. I think eden is town, I don't know. It's hard for me to read this kind of guy. @Eden - I'm not much good at anything besides reading in between the lines and bullying (apprentice of Ace style), but when I start to see the things I understand and that jump out of me I really stick to it. I do think you're town and that since you seem to be pretty diligent and detailed I feel good about what you might be able to add or pick out of my cases later. I'm actually pissed I didn't roll scum in this game. I started playing mafia as scum in like 8 straight games and then really got it again. I do look at meta if I'm really suspicious of someone or can't figure out their behavior. It's too much of a pain in the ass to do if I'm not gonna really make use of it On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote: Its weird because its either a. scummy because of why I just said b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this. Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this. I've seen this guy before. He's either scum or believes that playing balls to the wall aggressive is the best way to make people sweat and maybe that's how he gets his reads. I'm cool with that if that's the case as long as he doesn't really try to push some bullshit like that "scum claim". TBH my policy on scum claiming is if I see a post that accuses someone of claiming scum I ignore it. I've only ever seen that phrase in kneejerk posts pretty much | ||
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On December 31 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 16:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're clearly more concerned about flipping this (whatever this is) to make me look bad instead of the important thing which is your read on damdred. If you aren't 100% sure he's scum then there's nothing to even talk about, so I don't know what you're doing. i think he made a joke that has 0 alignment indicative information in it. but i am not the one spouting crap about policy lynching liars and shitters. you are, yet you choose not to follow through on that. Unless you can swing this into a bandwagon by yourself by some miracle I'm done wasting time with this | ||
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On December 31 2014 16:59 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What's up nerds. Let's talk policy - unlike a lot of people I think it's plenty useful on Day 1. I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I dont usually support policy lynches but anyone caught in a lie deserves intense scrutiny and questioning imo I mean it's only 5 or so posts after his big deal about policy lynching and he is already softening and backing down on it. Also I understand that his initial post on policy is pretty specific to claims and people lying about claims; but some of his later posts indicate to me that he wants to lynch people shitting up the thread and lying in general as an extension of his initial post. I am going to try to stop tunneling so hard for now though, I generally dislike people who really push policy; so I might have some bias. Oh, I finally get what's happening. I wasn't softening or backing down on anything - there was nothing to begin with. I don't care what anyone thinks about any policy. When I said "I strongly believe" it was just the first words that popped into my mind. When I say lying I don't mean rhetorical contradictions necessarily (because I'm prone to them by mistake) or errors, but more specifically fake claims or lying about night actions. When town does this it immediately starts a huge bandwagon and derails the thread. Seeing as I have been in many games where some brilliant townies tried to do this and it turned out badly I do have some genuine concerns but they mean nothing in the context of this game. What does matter and what IS the point is the conversations, accusations, cases that follow. I think of those fluff and policy posts as the spark to start the mafia game proper. I'm not trying to push any kind of conversation or discussion or anything about any sort of actual policy itself. I hope you can understand this. I can see why you would make this mistake and I have not played in a game with so many players unfamiliar with these kinds of things out of me in a long time, so I guess I should be very clear about things like this? | ||
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On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. what do you think is more important mister critic | ||
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or maybe I'm just buddying you more eden, make a note of that on your pie chart | ||
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On December 31 2014 17:25 TheChyz wrote: Also haven't played in a while but I remember geript very well and all of the poking he is doing lines up the same with how I remember him (as in being fairly strong town) so he is also on my town read. I don't really think I have enough of a read on the others for anything atm Youre both scum. Geript pretends to like me as a cute joke but je HATES the way I play. I can't understand half of what he ever says and if he isn't already tilting at what a stupid jerk ive been then something is very wrong. Maybe he found god. Maybe he realized I am that gosu. But it doesn't fit. Everyone pokes and is always poking. If you're posting right now thats what you've been doing in a sense. I hope you can just quickly clarify if I'm misunderstanding something. | ||
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On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. Hell im.suspicious of everybody? Why. You just said geript seemed town for poking and prodding (whatever that means like he couldn't just ask questions day 1 as scum ). So devalue your own reads and hope you slide by. Not happening. I thought you were ready to tell us which direction the thread should go in? You brought up eden, dismiss the read and call it garbage and then defend the read again | ||
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On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. | ||
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The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it | ||
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On December 31 2014 18:07 batsnacks wrote: ##vote: geript Save it for day 2. We should lynch thechyz. I love when scum post their read wait to see if it gets any traction. When it gets shot down they say their read was useless. Why post it then? I guarantee if i agreed and started an eden bandwagon right there he would have pulled the trigger and voted with me. | ||
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On December 31 2014 18:33 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 18:23 Koshi wrote: Eden didn't look too good early. Something with saying Dr.H. is town after making a big "I don't like this about Dr.H." post and then in his next post Eden is back to Dr.H. is scummy. I'll look into TheChyz after some coffee and work. <3 I feel a lot better that you feel the same way. When you get back let me know what you think of ritoky and Chyz. I feel good about you lurking until someone agrees with a point you made pages and pages ago instead of pushing your own read this whole time | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:12 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? This doesn't make any sense what so ever. I'm sorry. Hes asking you if you have thoughts on the three people who are getting a good bit of discussion going atm, if one person is scummy for not being able t do this are you scum. Yhea, but my suspcion against Chyz was not based on the fact that he didn't post about the main protagonists in the game (in fact, he did). But rather that he didn't give any read of his own. I have given my thoughts about a few people but not the three he mentioned I guess. Problem is that the other reads you have made is based on the fact that you dont have much (as I have bolded) and as such they are not good enough reads. You should have some more reads than me and robik. Let's hear some scum hunting and not 24/7 bandwagoning. This post is proof the chyz is scum basically. How are you all not seeing this | ||
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On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:26 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:12 TheChyz wrote: On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. On January 01 2015 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? This doesn't make any sense what so ever. I'm sorry. Hes asking you if you have thoughts on the three people who are getting a good bit of discussion going atm, if one person is scummy for not being able t do this are you scum. Yhea, but my suspcion against Chyz was not based on the fact that he didn't post about the main protagonists in the game (in fact, he did). But rather that he didn't give any read of his own. I have given my thoughts about a few people but not the three he mentioned I guess. Problem is that the other reads you have made is based on the fact that you dont have much (as I have bolded) and as such they are not good enough reads. You should have some more reads than me and robik. Let's hear some scum hunting and not 24/7 bandwagoning. This post is proof the chyz is scum basically. How are you all not seeing this Explain. (I disagree) Read my full case. Why is thechyz still in this thread telling people to scumhunt and calling their reads weak? His eden read which he has both defended and called garbage (and refused to vote behind it) and is more guilty of the things he's throwing dirt on other players for doing | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:28 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:12 TheChyz wrote: On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. On January 01 2015 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? This doesn't make any sense what so ever. I'm sorry. Hes asking you if you have thoughts on the three people who are getting a good bit of discussion going atm, if one person is scummy for not being able t do this are you scum. Yhea, but my suspcion against Chyz was not based on the fact that he didn't post about the main protagonists in the game (in fact, he did). But rather that he didn't give any read of his own. I have given my thoughts about a few people but not the three he mentioned I guess. Problem is that the other reads you have made is based on the fact that you dont have much (as I have bolded) and as such they are not good enough reads. You should have some more reads than me and robik. Let's hear some scum hunting and not 24/7 bandwagoning. This post is proof the chyz is scum basically. How are you all not seeing this Explain why its scum, and while you are at it give us a read on ritoky No read, haven't put much thought into it. He looked bad for a minute but then I got what he was trying to point out about me and he seemed fine after that I guess. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:30 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1. Then why aren't you voting him? All of this push and you aren't voting? I dont wanna type the bbcode on my phone, it's annoying. That is the only reason. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote: You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1. Nothing in this post makes him obviously scum. If thechyz is town in this game you can write my tl sig. It's barely even about hypocrisy. Its about the foundation of his read....its fabricated obvioisly because eden was basically the only.player to make real accusations or do much up to thst point. Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:47 Eden1892 wrote: Also I think it should be noted that Chyz wasn't actually trying to stop the argument in question. It had already died down and basically run its course by the time Chyz entered from my recollection. I'll go pull the exact sequence and see if that recollection is right, and then demonstrate how if it is. Yes and ritoky even stated he was done explicitly before that post went up just like you made a case and a vote before he called you wishy washy and non aggressive and has refused to push his own reads still. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Same same. Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously. Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... IAmRobik 0/14 = 0.0000% It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Same same. Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously. Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote: On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote: You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi? I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia. | ||
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Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. Look at this he can't even go find a post by eden that bothers him he says "he just is" when pushed. This is HORRIBLE. Who's being non aggressive, cautious, defensive, and wishy washy here? Up to this point in the thread eden was active, pressured and asked good questions to his reads and even voted for somebody. It would be like if someone came in the thread and said I'm scum because I haven't pushed anyone yet or something. It's just totally false. Then after all that apparently he still sticks with the read because he said this: I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. You don't get to criticize other players for not having super strong reads and cases when you don't have your own and can't form your own. If you're in the thread to say "hey everybody go scumhunt. I don't like how soft all your reads are" and have NOTHING but soft reads and no opinions of your own then you're either scum or just complete trash at this game. Mafia play like this all the time. All the time. On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? With a 48 hour day he has finally formed his strong read because I didn't vote within 20 minutes of starting a bandwagon on him or something. Yawn. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:56 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: [quote] Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... IAmRobik 0/14 = 0.0000% It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Same same. Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously. Any thoughts about the game at hand? Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote: On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote: You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi? I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia. Hammering that over and over will not make you being listened to. Just sayin. It would be appreciated if you didn't limit yourself to a tunnel this early in the game. TheChyz is mafia and if you don't agree you should look at his filter more yourself. I will tunnel anyone I want to tunnel, don't tell me to drop a case do you know how bad that makes you look | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:58 marvellosity wrote: like as it stands I'd lynch Lazer over Chyz any day of the week. And I might lynch any uber-lurker before either of them. Lynch him tomorrow then. Vote for TheChyz maybe he will finally contribute an opinion, read, or scumhunt something he is more than willing to suspect other people for not doing I guess even when they had explicitly done just that. How are you not seeing this? Am I yelling into space? TheChyz is mafia. I have never ever been more sure about a read in my life. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:03 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:56 justanothertownie wrote: On January 01 2015 02:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote: [quote] Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite? Let me point you to something..... [quote] It will be 0/15 after this game. I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: [quote] Thanks buddy. Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos. Hi Robik. I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation. Kind regards, Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote: On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote: You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi? I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia. Hammering that over and over will not make you being listened to. Just sayin. It would be appreciated if you didn't limit yourself to a tunnel this early in the game. TheChyz is mafia and if you don't agree you should look at his filter more yourself. I will tunnel anyone I want to tunnel, don't tell me to drop a case do you know how bad that makes you look I don't care how bad you think it makes me look. You can of course keep pushing this. What I said is you shouldn't limit yourself to it if you are town. Repeating the same things over and over is not productive or even helpful to your case. Thanks for the advice. Can you explain why TheChyz's initial read on eden makes any sense please? | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:10 TheChyz wrote: I didn't think I needed to defend myself because in my head it was kinda obvious but that was probably a bad assumption to make that others would see the way I do without explaining. Basically I was just sick of the thread going in the boring "here are my policy lynches" and "not lynching your policy lynch" type talk and so wanted it to stop. I didn't have a good read at the moment (since game just started) and dr.H wanted some read. Other than wasting time and saying I have nothing (not productive) I said the only case I could make to try to get some direction in town. So sorry if you feel like I'm scum for trying to lead the charge and sucking at it? LOL PS. dr.H, do I get a to write your sig if you lynch me then? I didn't think I needed to defend myself! On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. Weird? Why wouldn't a scum defend/buddy up to you? If you are town they would obviously know that and get town cred from your flip. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey This one is a doozy too. Up to this point all you have done is OMGUS vote for me. The basis of your case is once again based around a player not having a solid case, not pushing reads, not scumhunting, etc. This is the first time in the whole game you're actually pressuring a player but up until the point of this post you are just as guilty of what you are accusing lazermonkey and robik of. How can somebody with no reads as town think someone is mafia for not having reads? And when you called out eden for the same thing he was pretty much one of two or three players who DID have a read and DID pressure his targets and DID vote. Can we please lynch TheChyz | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He singles out eden for being noncommittal, defensive, non-aggressive, etc. yet Eden for the whole thread was pressuring people with good questions, putting in effort trying to get a read on me and he actually made a small case for Chyz and voted for him. Only I had voted up until that point. Then he says his own read isn't good enough to vote for, considering that, why would his stance about eden being wishy washy hold any weight Like I said. Hypocrisy is not a thing only scum does. Because the read was fabricated. He's accusing eden of doing things eden didn't do, then calls the read garbage, then says it was good again but he won't commit to it until later, then flames me for a while, then calls out lazermonkey for not having a strong read or something. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote: On January 01 2015 03:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He singles out eden for being noncommittal, defensive, non-aggressive, etc. yet Eden for the whole thread was pressuring people with good questions, putting in effort trying to get a read on me and he actually made a small case for Chyz and voted for him. Only I had voted up until that point. Then he says his own read isn't good enough to vote for, considering that, why would his stance about eden being wishy washy hold any weight Like I said. Hypocrisy is not a thing only scum does. Because the read was fabricated. He's accusing eden of doing things eden didn't do, then calls the read garbage, then says it was good again but he won't commit to it until later, then flames me for a while, then calls out lazermonkey for not having a strong read or something. So? We aren't getting anywhere here. We should be getting to lynching TheChyz. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:24 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote: On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1. Nothing in this post makes him obviously scum. If thechyz is town in this game you can write my tl sig. It's barely even about hypocrisy. Its about the foundation of his read....its fabricated obvioisly because eden was basically the only.player to make real accusations or do much up to thst point. Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful I am the biggest believer in Chyz his innocence. I should get the honors. 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On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now? I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too. I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. You're right. I am trying to push a vote on you because I believe you are mafia. The objective of the game is to lynch mafia and is the only thing that matters. Geript has never played in a game where I was scum as far as I recall. | ||
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Anyone can come in halfway through Day 1 and point out a bunch of people who aren't committed to anything. It takes a long time for people to get entrenched and confident in their reads and it's a VERY easy time for mafia to come in and either FoS or vote for anybody on those grounds. The fact that he chose to do that on a player (eden) who didn't fit his stated reasoning (eden wasn't being defensive or noncommittal or any of those things) is very strange. If he said that about somebody else and it were true I wouldn't have been very interested at all and would agree, like he said, that it was just the best thing he had going. But the reasons were fake. His behavior since has been just as wishy washy and bad, calling me a filter spammer and not addressing anything. Not doing anything to LazerMonkey even when Marv threw his support behind that. Uses the same one size fits all Day 1 case for LazerMonkey as he used for his eden read, everything this guy is doing is setting off red flags for me left and right. Could be a youngminii situation but mafia is about taking risks. I won't be right 100% of the time but even if TheChyz is newb town scum is sweating if they know I'm willing to tunnel like this. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote: On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now? I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too. I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game that's a disappointing climbdown from 100% sigbet worthy I'll still sigbet, that's pretty good odds. Have anything useful to say yet marv | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:34 KelsierSC wrote: So I honestly think the case against Chyz is kind of shit tier and that is what makes me interested in the people who jumped on it. Namely Artanis and Lazor. So I asked the two of them some questions and I quite like the read that Artanis gave on DrH that felt towny to me. But when I asked Lazer questions he basically didn't have any reads on eden, DrH or rit. This is apparently a scummy thing because he reads the chyz as scum for not immediately having strong reads at that stage of the game. We need to move on from chyz at the moment because this reason for pushing him is poor. He stopped rit and DrH having their dick measuring, that felt fine. Then when he got forced to give reads (by DrH) he gave some but he wasn't like "this guy is scum, lynch" and then DrH feels like he was being hypocritical...I don't see how, nowhere did chyz give the impression he was giving a strong read. When Lazer entered the thread he gave these reads Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz which is just a copy of the thread mentality and what people had said, again I think the case is bad so supporting it is bad to me. Then he gives a read on Robik, which is like the most pointless read at this stage of the game "hey robik said hi then left, he is a bit scummy" ... yeh but what is the point of that read. Then he gave his 3 reads eventually on eden etc. I didn't think much of the reads at all, they seem very contrived. So in conclusion, jumps into thread and sheeps the thread opinion, ( a bad case on chezy ) , has no good reads at all. I think one of artanis/lazer is scummy and I think it is Lazer I never said thechyz was scum for not immediately having strong reads that has very little to do with it. He obviously fabricated his post. | ||
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What more do you want? If I right now said you were scum for not saying stuff you have been saying I bet you'd vote for me right there. | ||
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He was apparently fine with me 8 hours ago when he was calling me scum, voting for me and saying I'm spewing garbage though I wonder if that's significant at all | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote: Doctor what do you think about the people who were supporting your case? I skimmed a lot of posts in this thread because I am currently only concerned about tunneling TheChyz. I'll read all that stuff later when I'm ready to think about it. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:40 sicklucker wrote: Actually thats not true he did really have one but he was begging in scum qt to fake one so he was still pretty agro. Still did dumb things like to claim it knowing there was a rber that a town would never do. I don't understand what you're saying but it seems like it could be useful, can you clarify it or put it in context with some of ritokys posts? | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. Cherrypicking. You were tilting in the thread about how I didn't vote yet. No one was gonna vote with you so now it's all just bullshit and you were actually fine with me the whole time? No. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript marv thechyz koshi and someone else i think. Are there 5 scum or 6? Are all of those associative reads or do you have actual reasons besides "they defended chyz"? 5 scum btw. A little bit of bothm Just throwing that out there. If ritoky is scum thats more interesting. Marv wouldnt bus ritoky this early probably so i dont think theyd be on the same team. Dunno about other guys i havent even looked at but i will get around to looking closely at lazermonkey and some others. The reasons don't matter yet. | ||
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Problem with towns sometimes is everyone feels the need to post constantly every town and null read and thought they have where it can be manipulated by mafia. If i cant have room to wait a few hours for a reaction without you jumping down my throat then this is fucked. | ||
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I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:24 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Mafia loves knowing everything u think. Trust me Town does too. Playing games almost never makes a mafia out himself - it just annoys fellow townies. it doesn't work because of the way you responded to it | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course. Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though. Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time. It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all. Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end? Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things. On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest? I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk. I was scum that game. Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here. " The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right." First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly? On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way. By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him. Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order): On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck? On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. 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On January 01 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 05:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote: On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course. Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though. Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time. It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters. Fine. Just keep in mind that being serious is definitely no towntell for him. If he keeps being passive we will lynch him day1 anyways. Like we did last game. serious is the wrong word. i feel like he's trying not to make anyone tilt and marv isn't the kind of person who is concerned with annoying anybody | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:51 geript wrote: Maybe it's just newbie omgus like Chyz, idk. It's just kinda weird how it developed. Like usually when someone has a "gut read" on a vet they tend to have to say or think on the subject especially when they're newer. or it could be fabricated bullshit and an attempt to appear contributive notice how he is also constantly mocking and suspecting others for not having strong enough reads when every time he has one he has to ask the whole thread about it? how about trying to get the thread to turn on me then saying it was all fine and then also i looked good for scumhunting and tunneling him which is the same thing he's also still mad about???? ????? the chyz is scum. | ||
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That means something very very different from "I was fine with him". He was talking bullshit to get me to stop tunneling him . It doesn't make any sense for a town player to be acting like this. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:54 geript wrote: Besides, wagons that last don't tend to be formed in the first 24. If you really want to lynch Chyz, then you should probably be starting the push into gear around ~16-12 hrs prior to lynch. want me to just post all my town and null reads until then? you have very little to say about the case and now you're just trying to make me shut up. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe we can add batsnacks to the lynch list. First of all I never OMGUS'd any of Chyz's defenders. Your main read is geript right? That's my second choice read. Why would I add batsnacks to the lynch list? Why would you if you're not just being sarcastic right now and I'm misunderstanding? You said yourself you won't even bother reading any case I make on TheChyz so just ignore everything I say if that's what you need to do. 100% of this game should be tunneling TheChyz. 16% is not nearly enough. | ||
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On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:09 IAmRobik wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote: I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right Why does it matter if hes right or not if hes town If whoo is town? If Dr H is town? Because he's really convinced and I want to give him what he wants... It wouldn't take much to convince me to vote for you if you don't shape up really quickly. | ||
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On February 26 2014 17:59 TheChyz wrote: @Moscta, because most of the cases one me are weak as hell and the only thing I agree with is that I had been making fairly soft cases early on and not pushing my reads. in his town game he doesn't tilt at all when accused and doesn't do any OMGUS votes and he has had about four in a row in this game | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:12 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 06:04 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe we can add batsnacks to the lynch list. First of all I never OMGUS'd any of Chyz's defenders. Your main read is geript right? That's my second choice read. Why would I add batsnacks to the lynch list? Why would you if you're not just being sarcastic right now and I'm misunderstanding? You said yourself you won't even bother reading any case I make on TheChyz so just ignore everything I say if that's what you need to do. 100% of this game should be tunneling TheChyz. 16% is not nearly enough. What are you even talking about? This is not about you but about batsnacks. He just made a post rehashing what everyone already said. Paranoid. Yeah I agree with you, my first thought was he stole Edens post. Just a misunderstanding. Will you please read my second case on TheChyz and the meta read as well? If you still think it's worthless I would like to lynch Robik probably. If he is a good and prolific town player like I've heard people say in the thread than his play is shocking rn | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:09 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote: I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right Why does it matter if hes right or not if hes town If whoo is town? If Dr H is town? Because he's really convinced and I want to give him what he wants... The problem is altho he is town that hes tunnel so hard and I stopped reading his posts so like I have a hard time believing him even tho I know he believes himself. You want to vote for a lynch you don't believe in? | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:15 IAmRobik wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 06:09 IAmRobik wrote: On January 01 2015 06:03 sicklucker wrote: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote: I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right Why does it matter if hes right or not if hes town If whoo is town? If Dr H is town? Because he's really convinced and I want to give him what he wants... It wouldn't take much to convince me to vote for you if you don't shape up really quickly. Define shape up? I really don't wanna do anything d1. I have shit that i'm doing and i'm leaving my house in 15 minutes too go to my grandpa's so like...w/e. If you lynch me you're going to be lynching a townie. If you let me live until d2, I will wreck. I just realized that part of why i'm not playing is because i'm greedy and I'm one of the top n1'd people on TL and I really don't want that to happen this game...and I don't think it will because I'm playing a shitty game thus far. At least I think my initial reads are good though Good reply. I'll take my foot off the gas and restate my case. Maybe if I shut up for a few hours people will be less annoyed with me and actually read it. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote: If Koshi doesn't start doing something then I might have to throw out my "attack the forgiver" tell and kill Chyz instead. Currently I'm cool with a geript or Chyz lynch. I guess I'll need to read Lazermonkey and see what the fuss was about too. I kinda miss Palmar and marv and a little bit of Arty (although he's posted a bit), their names and JAT made me interested in the first place and JAT's the only one doing anything so far. Good. You will soon realize his read on lazermonkey was also fabricated bullshit and total reaching. Check out Chyz's last game where he was town. Huge difference in confidence tone and voting behavior. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:30 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Can you explain what about TheChyz's post makes you feel so strongly that he is town? It's just noncommittal read at a time when the whole thread was giving Koshi heat. Just looks like blending in to me. He wasn't like that in his town game. idk if this was @me or not but since it pretty much describes what I did I'll assume it is. I liked the fact that Chyz was, with pressure coming from other people, gutsy enough to get after the one person strongly defending him the whole way. Mafia just don't attack their defenders. But I'm kinda feeling like Koshi doesn't actually care that much, and if he's not really defending Chyz that hard in the end then mafia!Chyz doesn't have that same reservation about attacking Koshi. If you read into the post, it's not much of an attack. The heat in the thread was on Koshi, if Chyz can blend into that it makes him look good. It doesn't matter if Koshi was defending him or not especially considering no one was really listening to me anyway. I would absolutely make a move like this as mafia. There isn't some kind of objective rule that prevents mafia from saying bad things about players who are on their side. If mafia buddied up to their defenders 100% of the time they'd be too predictable. I don't think it matters in light of everything | ||
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First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to. + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Second: I think the most damning. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all. Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end? Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things. On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote: On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest? I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk. I was scum that game. Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here. " The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right." First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly? On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way. By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him. Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order): On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck? On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too. Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You could also look at how much more confidently TheChyz plays in cultured mini mafia where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=TheChyz Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:47 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote: Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? Crackpot theory Nice to see you pop by to have as little impact as possible | ||
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On January 01 2015 07:16 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia. That's a shitty version of meta and you know it. I should have known better than to talk to you at all in this game. Someone else can sort you out | ||
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On January 01 2015 07:23 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch? No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter. He already proved himself scum to me. Id day shoot him this instant if it was that kind of game. I don't need any more time | ||
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On January 01 2015 07:25 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 07:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 07:16 geript wrote: On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia. That's a shitty version of meta and you know it. I should have known better than to talk to you at all in this game. Someone else can sort you out My point is, if you're going to meta me, then meta me. Most of my mafia games don't look similar in any way to each other and they often tend to highly resemble my town games (in the same era). Plus, just looking at 1 mafia game (Russian I assume) which was the most different from any of my scum games (since The Game) isn't going to give the real insight you need to actually give a decent meta read. I agree, I don't think I can get a good meta read on you. So now I have no more reservations about you being second on my list. After TheChyz gets lynched today and flips red you'll probably be next. You should bus him soon. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody. First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to. + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Second: I think the most damning. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all. Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end? Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things. On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote: On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest? I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk. I was scum that game. Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here. " The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right." First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly? On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way. By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him. Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order): On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck? On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too. Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You could also look at how much more confidently TheChyz plays in cultured mini mafia where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=TheChyz Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion. | ||
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On January 01 2015 09:15 Damdred wrote: DrH read on people depends if they agree with his case or not, if youa gree with his case you will be chainsaw defended (or if you scum read his target) I guess thats good for you Koshi voted with me and I still dont feel good about him. Never said anything about your alignment really. You're tilting too much too fast | ||
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On January 01 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: You haven't even answered questions that I posed to you, but you are rattling on about me answering a question eden posed to anyone who would want to kill lazer? I know how to strengthen and push my read and it isn't ramming it down the threads throat, I can just as easily compose a case on someone with or without quotes. The filter is there to see if I took things out of context or not, it has opinions in it thats why we talk about things. You wanna lynch lazer? We're talking about it now. I would like to see you back up your case with specific examples. You're shortselling your own read and making it sound unimportant by framing it as an answer to edens question. If you think lm is scum its your job to start a bandwagon. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody. First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to. + Show Spoiler + On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz is mafia The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote: Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way. dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point. Let's sum up the Eden read: 1. Eden is my largest scum read. 2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly. 4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully. Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia? Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote: in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't. ##VOTE: TheChyz This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is 1. Defensive 2. Not jumping on anyone 3. Too cautious This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote: He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean. 1. Everyone is suspicious 2. I am suspicious 3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right. I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter! I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote: I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it? With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant. 1. Eden is my largest scumread. 2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording. 3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up) 4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful. 5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right. 6. I have no reason to vote for Eden. 7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote. 8. Eden is the least towny of all the players. And then: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it Second: I think the most damning. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TheChyz On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all. Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end? Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things. On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote: On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote: So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest? I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk. I was scum that game. Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here. " The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right." First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly? On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way. By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him. Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order): On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck? On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too. Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You could also look at how much more confidently TheChyz plays in cultured mini mafia where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=TheChyz Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion. 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TheChyz I'll start with the worst. But as a side - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=TheChyz . Geript, my second top scumread says any meta evaluation on new players is worthless. I don't agree. In culture mini mafia TheChyz is clear about his points and confident in his reads. Contrast some of these posts by TheChyz with the way he is behaving in this game. On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. First of all, "8 hours ago" I was bullying and tunneling him. I don't know why any townie in their right mind would say they're fine with the person tunneling them for scumhunting reasons. There is another attempt in this post to turn town on me and see if it sticks. He did it before and his OMGUS didn't work. Keep in mind he has OMGUS voted in thread 3 or 4 times already. On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all. Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end? So if I don't agree about Lazer here I'm already being trashed because that makes me a tunneler. I've been trashed for apparently chainsaw defending LazerMonkey too. Up until this point of the game, the case on LM doesn't hold any water. I haven't caught up 100% so I can't say for certain that I believe LM to be town, but I see nothing suspicious that TheChyz is talking about. On January 01 2015 02:12 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote: Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game? Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:05 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 01:58 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:49 KelsierSC wrote: so Lazer monkey one of your main points about chyz is that he didn't have a town/scum read early on and didn't give it till someone pushed him, yet you are also unable to give a read on any of the 3 main protagonists in the early game. (eden, drh and rit) . So you are scum to? This doesn't make any sense what so ever. I'm sorry. Hes asking you if you have thoughts on the three people who are getting a good bit of discussion going atm, if one person is scummy for not being able t do this are you scum. Yhea, but my suspcion against Chyz was not based on the fact that he didn't post about the main protagonists in the game (in fact, he did). But rather that he didn't give any read of his own. I have given my thoughts about a few people but not the three he mentioned I guess. Problem is that the other reads you have made is based on the fact that you dont have much (as I have bolded) and as such they are not good enough reads. You should have some more reads than me and robik. Let's hear some scum hunting and not 24/7 bandwagoning. This post is insane considering TheChyz entered the game with his read on eden, with he dismissed and said wasn't worth voting for, before OMGUSing me (which wasn't a real serious read). That would put the total number of worthwhile or "serious" reads TheChyz has contributed to the thread is one. He still hasn't backed up anything with a vote and this is the only pressure he gives to LazerMonkey directly. Look at TheChyz's filter and tell me he's playing like someone who believes in his reads or what he is saying at all. The game was still in a super early phase at this point and I find it suspicious that many other people have made the same reaching arguments about LazerMonkey. If you look at his first argument against thechyz it has basically nothing to do with any of the accusations I made against TheChyz and comes from a totally different place. At this point in the game, my only case on thechyz wasb ased around his read of eden and then: On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz And now people are repeating how he's parroting me without thinking about it. His robik read wasn't exactly forced, he was answering other peoples questions. I won't guess about his activity because of the holidays. I'm not necessarily convinced that LazerMonkey has to be town, I just think TheChyz's reasons for giving him heat at the time are suspect | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:49 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 02:45 KelsierSC wrote: On January 02 2015 02:42 Damdred wrote: Where he said he was ok with Dr h but previously he was voting him etc., it very much could be catching in a lie meh I read that as more frustration with DrH tunneling on him and having garbage reads. In fact he prefaces it, as such. On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica seems more like a joke to me Meh, I could see that. Either way like I said I don't think it makes him mafia in either case as townies can do that as well. His vote on me was a bit of a joke but doesn't make it any less of a lie. Why would townie pat anyone on the back for tunneling them? I was fine? When I was tunneling him 8 hours ago and then later he says "oh yeah i was really pissed off and annoyed and that's why I ..." so which is it? was he fine with me when I was "Trying to scum hunt" by tunneling him or was he annoyed? I can't really tell, I think he just wants to avoid any heat | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. Look how softly he goes after anyone he is suspicious of. Always wanna seek town approval first. Doesn't mind voting or acting with confidence when he's playing defensive though. Never really follows up on anything he says and is accusing people of things they either aren't really doing or that he is even more guilty of. Considering this behavior and presentation is all significantly different in tone from his previous game as town I don't need a whole lot more. If you read his filter closely he makes geript look much worse too. | ||
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the fact that LM came out with a case on thechyz that had nothing to do with mine and is being accused of "just agreeing with everyone" or "parroting" is either mafia intention or very lazy reading. On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript This is on page 1 of his filter of Cultured. He was town in this game. Look at the confidence he has so early on. When I ask him about eden he has nothing to say and then calls it a garbage vote and a pretty weak read. Another interesting thing is in cultured when TheChyz posts a read he feels is soft or not fully formed yet, he admits it right away and doesn't just ask for other peoples support. In this game he only admits his read isn't worth anything if you ask him. | ||
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On February 27 2014 23:56 TheChyz wrote: [/b]Ok so atm geript is getting quite a free pass from alot of people and I am curious as to why. His overall play this game has been all 1 tracked and tunnel visiony. I think its ok to tunnel vision on a read and not back off, but after everything this game his attitude has been like that towards everything. There is nothing worse than being scum but a close second is a unsuportive town which will ignore everybody's opinions on everything and just go their own way. These are the only two possibilites that I find possible for the way geript has been playing and in both scenarios they just cause useless confusion in town. He starts off with his vote on toad for thinking rayn is town. This has been the only argument he has made on toad apart from the one he made a few posts ago. So over the course of most of the game he has provided no reasons for wanting to lynch toad apart from that early thing he keeps blabbing about. Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 10:38 geript wrote: Mental note: Rayn and Toad very unlikely to be scum together. Also posts this and when I later call him out on it (and others) he tries making some reasons that are terrible, but again, come after a long time which seems like a common theme from him so far. Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 09:47 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript you need to explain. No I don't. Look at the reason for the read he gave and don't tell me it's not bullshit. Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 12:24 geript wrote: ##unvote ##vote jarjardrinks I feel better about this. Rayn explain why. Whats with all of this about asking rayn why you [geript] are thinking this way? Shouldn't you connect the dots for town and not make other do the work for you? Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 12:48 geript wrote: As in, I don't give a frak what I look like as town because I'm fraking town. Like it's a really weird perspective to think, "no but it'd be super scummy for me to sheep that terrible of a case" as coming from town because who as town is seriously concerned with their image that much. It's what you do that matters as town and not how it looks. As happened before, I always find it strange when people start talking about image. It might just be a philosophy thing I have but it still irks me the wrong way. Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote: On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote: On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote: @Geript Show nested quote + On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote: On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote: The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript, I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad. Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. [b\##unvote ##vote toadescum Also his argument continues to be that he gets back onto the toad scum case and he uses the case the toad is not giving him [geript] an honest read? Please, you haven't given anyone an honest read all game and just tunneling on mostly 1 person while ignoring everything else around you. Hypocritical much? He makes many posts about toad that are useless so won't add them all since that would just be redundant at this point. Show nested quote + On February 27 2014 12:26 geript wrote: On February 27 2014 12:25 Balla24 wrote: Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving. Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks. He calls him modconfirmed for no reason really other than a terrible reason and yet he continues to talk about it further... Show nested quote + On February 27 2014 16:50 geript wrote: Goddammit then look at him and read him again with a fresh mind. Show nested quote + On February 27 2014 16:56 geript wrote: On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways. Fine. Who do you want me to look at then? Show nested quote + On February 27 2014 17:06 geript wrote: On February 27 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax. Btw i also think you are modconfirmed town, despite me thinking you were town earlier. Hosts should never interact with the game in any way and while your modconfirmation is most likely crap there is a chance it's not because it makes sense. So from now on i will make a policy that i refuse to believe anyone who get's "modconfirmed" by stupid hosts or does BS shit like Mocsta is town and if it ruins the game so be it because it's not my fault. Nope not going to do it. I have a townread on him and I refuse to read any more shazazzly cases on him. So he tells rayn to look again with a fresh mind but when rayn asks for the same he refuses? Again this is him being one of the worst towns as possible or as scum just trying to keep up the act he has been doing the whole time so that people think because he is to tunnel visioned that he can't be scum. Show nested quote + On February 27 2014 12:46 geript wrote: On February 27 2014 12:36 TheChyz wrote: On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote: On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote: On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote: On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote: On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote: 1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote: [quote] I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum. Like I understand coming from GSL that you would think that. I was able to obs the game and my conclusion at the start of this game was the same, but it was only that, at the very start. I don't know how you all play and such so I just commented that Mocsta atm was the only person that gave off a townie vibe. However as the game progresses that same logic can't be applied. Just because he puts more effort is not a valid reason for you to guarantee that mocsta is not scum. Like mentioned by rayn (?) the GSL game was just a drawn out lurker fest which is actually probably the reason why mocsta got so antsy. Stop sticking to this argument this late in the game, its useless. Nah effort has nothing to do with why I think he's town. It has to do with looking at the game from his perspective and seeing how is reads and thought process evolves. Like him, wave and I were newbies (and experienced newb) together so we have loads of history. Show nested quote + On February 27 2014 12:49 TheChyz wrote: ok geript is BS'ing right now. That was to gumshoe (anybody who has paid any attention would know that) and he somehow rolls with it and tries to explain the reasoning for it. Come on guys. he's literally making shit up to defend himself from accusations that he didn't make (in this case b/c he misread). Lynch with fire He even respons to an accusation that I use on gumshoe and goes with it as if it was his own and tries to cover it up. Thats a spewing off BS in my opinion. If anybody has anything that they have that can support geript as town I hope you make your case cause I'm either tunneling on him way to hard and missing it or I'm right. also as town he takes the effort to pick people apart which he hasn't done in this game | ||
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On January 02 2015 03:07 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 02:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. Look how softly he goes after anyone he is suspicious of. Always wanna seek town approval first. Doesn't mind voting or acting with confidence when he's playing defensive though. Never really follows up on anything he says and is accusing people of things they either aren't really doing or that he is even more guilty of. Considering this behavior and presentation is all significantly different in tone from his previous game as town I don't need a whole lot more. If you read his filter closely he makes geript look much worse too. As for meta, I don't care too much about someone that plays is differently from his last town game. People change their play style, especially when they are new. If he would have had one distinct playstyle for town and another for scum, I think it would be another thing, but as it stands I don't think its too relevant. Anything else? What about his soft reads? What about his seeking of town approval? What about his criticizing of everyone else for not having enough reads or not doing any scum hunting when he doesn't push his own reads or have confidence in them. Twice he has accused people suspicious of him (who backed it up with votes and several posts of pressure and explanation) of having softreads and being wishy washy/parroting/whatever. It all comes together as just total scummy bullshit, this is getting really really frustrating for me. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote: I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required. Not even worried. Welcoming scrutiny. Why did he decide to stop pushing his reads? Why did he decide to stop engaging with and asking questions to the people is suspicious of? Shit, in this thread he is even proactive about telling people when he can't be active. Because he has a stake in the game, his legitimate read on geript. ALL Of his reads in this game are fake and made up which is why he won't push or do anything about them and just wants to find out how many people agree. | ||
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You say your opiniom changed and you now think I'm town but you also said you never thought i was ever scum in the first place. Bullshit | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:02 batsnacks wrote: Has anyone played with DrH before? Is this normal? I feel like I would be more likely to vote TheChyz if DrH wasn't pushing him. The thread is about 30 pages long. DrH has about about a 5 page filter, of which ~90% of his filter is tunneling TheChyz. So ~16% of the game is DrH tunneling TheChyz. First, I think that's way too much focus on a single person in a 20 person game. DrH is the only person voting TheChyz, and I haven't heard anyone say "I agree with your case DrH," so he's obviously not reaching people. Second, this post is really townie imo: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. So I think my conclusion would be that DrH's tunnel is not helping town. First off I feel very uncomfortable when people suggest lynching for other reasons than believing in the read. I also feel uncomfortable when people talk about a vote like they think of it as leverage or something. He picked out a post that eden had already thought made chyz seem town. I see no reason why a scum player would have a problem saying they changed their mind about a player who defended them. He wasn't under any real pressure and it's not like Koshi was gonna save him or anything lol. The thread already had major heat on Koshi at the time too. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote: Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the tahread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. And gets more town points: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? if he got town points from eden he got town points from you for the same thing seeing as you both liked thechyz as town for the same reason. but you never really gave your reason why you thought that post made him town in the first place, just parroting eden. if he got town points from you that would imply you genuinely believed it was a town-indicative post so why would that be suspicious in the first place? wouldn't the more natural conclusion be that thechyz was just trying to ape the town sentiment anyway? that's not really the same thing, this is a really awkward and conspiratorial argument | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:50 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 04:33 marvellosity wrote: lol is your argument that I called you suspicious (without knowing if i thought you were scummy) in order to later push a lynch on you in case you caught me? is that really it? It has to do with your mentality at the time. Initially I thought ScumMarv would want to push me (for funsies). But reading into what you're thinking is kinda how I read you. So what you're saying it was your intention to paint or see him as scum from the beginning? why would you be thinking that before knowing anything about his alignment. you omgus'd a null read | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:52 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 04:42 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think batsnacks is scum. I hate all of his posts but i didnt want to lose on chyz for a while. I know you're not asking me but id be glad to discuss batsnacks as scum since chyz and geript are practically locked for me Noted. On January 02 2015 04:38 marvellosity wrote: On January 02 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, can I hear your opinion on batsnacks? I think his posting should mean he is mafia if we just go by meta, but I'm not really sure that he is after all. I'll try to explain more when I've finished reading the thread. I would really love to hear that. I have a similar feeling about him. Actually more unsure now I read his filter as a standalone. Kinda very straight up, not really ruffling play which is classic mafia bats. And the thing that made me think he's town was actually a terrible reason now i'm reading it again: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote: And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote: I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik I thought "this is so wrong, this makes me feel town on bats" just because it's the sort of thing he writes. now the reasoning feels a bit silly. dno, bats could be mafia but i'm not feeling it for some reason. some tone shenannies. his play is oddly in-between meta though. might make some sort of list. any thoughts on my two posts about bats? i feel like his reads are forced or just one size fits all throwaways | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:53 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi again. I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can. As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! LOL WHAT? (about bolded part) If you can show me any proof that you "tunneled on me" I'm more than happy to hear it, but are you being sorry for trying to get a read on me? Only person that can say they tunneled on me is dr.H. It seems like your trying to just back up because your getting some flame and to save yourself. And the second paragraph is like UGH. just gives me the creeps. Later on you go on to say that your cool with killing geript and such and one of your main reasons is that "he wants to wait for vets". Like thats not allignment indicative at all. You can take that to mean shit all, especially since it was near the start of the game. When artanis clears up why koshi is towny then he just drops his case. It's like hes just jumping from wagon to wagon and giving soft reads and dropping them asap. Super wishy washy. Even tho I don't like geript atm it is more based on the fact that I have seen nothing similar to either his town game when I played with him and also in the game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?user=geript&page=2 where you can see that he is scum hunting. But this game he isn't and while that is cause for some alarm I think laser is much more scummy than geript atm. Although I don't at all like his top scum reads (especially since I think keslier is really towny). I'd be fine with a geript or laser lynch but I feel that laser > geript. tell me why a town geript would omgus a null read. do you realize how insanely paranoid and defensive that is? lazermonkey hasn't been very active but at least for that time period all of his posts are basically focused on the fact that he suspects you. calling that tunneling might be exaggerating a tad but idon't see why that would make him scum or something. is that really significant | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:55 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 04:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why glowingbear? you havent explained anything I guess he keeps town on a need to know basis... day 1 is almost over and he hasn't made one point. that's a bit different | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:58 Koshi wrote: I don't get the joke. :/ im a hypocrite and a jerk with questionable reading comprehension let's go lynch geript | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:04 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read Who are you talking to and what about? You. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:19 marvellosity wrote: far, far too many nullers. Noticed that chyz is just being topical? What happened to the read he voted for - lazermonkey. His accusation of ritoky doesn't seem confident at all. This is a complete 180 from his town play | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote: On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote: On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. There is no way scum ever kills you. why not want me dead instead | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:34 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:04 geript wrote: On January 02 2015 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read Who are you talking to and what about? You. It's quite possible that I just decided Marv was mafia because he felt off. Meh. Wouldn't be the first time I've jumped to conclusions. That said, his list is awful. You don't even know what you thought? You stated what you thought, that he was fear lynching. Weird. You didn't seem to ever reconsider this until you got the slightest heat for it because you were too busy doing nothing i guess | ||
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On March 08 2014 05:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok after a night rest I got to thinking and imo I still think Wave is the most likely to be scum. The scum really didn't have to do much other than have a decent day 1/night 1. After that it was just easy sailing so I don't actually think scum really had much to do apart from push the lynches of the "list". As such wave is the one that keeps bringing up to lynch by the list the most imo and as such that is mostly why I think he is scum. That is who I would vote for, but since I'm going to work atm and won't be back till around deadline (my 15 is roughly near break) I'll keep my vote on no lynch (don't wanna get modkilled to help town since thats cheating). I'm just gonna leave saying this last word. Nothing on concrete has really been put on me. The only thing that people keep rehashing is just the non vote on suki day 1. That argument alone is so weak but it seems the only thing you guys are doing is thinking each of you is confirmed town so the only one with a small question mark is going to get lynched. "Follow the list", pretty good plan scum, keeps you alive all game long. What seems more likely, a noobie's second game (being town last game) having nothing scummy except for some overblown vote argument thats super wishy-wash (similar to my town game) or a veteran scum being able to hide under voting in a list? Anyways, gg guys. Was fun ![]() ![]() Notice how thechyz handles actuallyb eing lynched and how he tilts over being tunneled by one player in this game. geript who he says is one of his top reads has the bandwagon and he doesn't want to move the needle on that even when i agree? | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:51 Koshi wrote: Yeah, sadly I agree with Palmar. why | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:52 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:51 marvellosity wrote: it should actually be pretty obvious I am not mafia this game. Will be when geript flips mafia. If you're pushing some awful town lynch, you're probably scum. Why can't you decide for yourself if the reasoning is awful? Why would the flip matter | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:15 Koshi wrote: So is scum trying to make a Lazermonkey lynch happen atm? Yeah, they've been. Interesting if it's a bus. | ||
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geript why is this a bad read? just because he's a newb? meta doesn't mean jack shit to you apparently here but it's pretty much all you talk about | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:22 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote: if someone can read geript's multiple criticisms of my list and conclude they are genuine objections rather than objections for the sake of objecting/trying to discredit me, i'm all ears. 1 fake e-sports dollar says you can't though. True but you have to realize that this does not necessarily make him mafia. huh | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:21 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i didnt read your case on geript palmar and i agreed with what marv said. am i scum if he flips town too? i think this is a bit much No, you're just another brick in the wall. Only marv is confirmed scum if he pushes a lynch on town geript. It doesn't seem like anyone agrees. It's pointless to talk about at the moment anyway. You'll still be able to say what you want after the flip. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:25 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote: On January 02 2015 06:18 Koshi wrote: On January 02 2015 06:16 batsnacks wrote: And did anyone read this? On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for. Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today. ##Unvote ##Vote: geript yes. But currently I am trying to imagine a world in which none of batsnacks/geript is scum. How did that post make you feel koshi? It could be coming from town trying to figure out their own thoughts. So many people want to lynch Lazermonkey but he has no votes. So either he is scum and we are wrong about geript or he is town and scum don't dare to make the first step. hmm. I'm glad you figured out that he is either scum or town. | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: Lazermonkey might be a good lynch too because if he flips we never have to worry about Thechyz I believe in day 1 buses | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:20 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 07:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If mafia is in a bad day 1 why not just bus so the rest can at least maintain a semblance of town cred on day 2? Why would you want to lynch someone to get information on another player? We could also find out if chyz is scum or not by just lynching him. And he is scum. You spent most of today pushing chyz and no one voted him. Palmar posts 1 read and half the game sheeps him. Doesn't this strike you as odd? I saw that you commented on this before I think you said it annoyed you or something. I thought geript was scum the whole time and when i saw how bad he defended himself he looks worse. No one will read my posts if they see its about chyz probably | ||
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On January 02 2015 07:45 TheChyz wrote: Ok I'm back and refreshed a bit cause I think I was getting too emotionally invested for my own health. Took me a few hours to whip this one up in the scumqt after my team yelled at me for martyring Anyways I still think we should lynch laser over geript. If anything we can just have geript lynched day 2 if he still continues to play the way he is, but it really seems like it is more out of not being too invested in the game. I still think geript is scummy but not as much as laser. huh? you don't wanna lynch geript today because you're reading him as disinterested town and scummy at the same time? what is this read? Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 01:19 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 01:07 Koshi wrote: On January 01 2015 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 00:53 Koshi wrote: On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself? Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out. Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did. Show me a game in which Chyz is a townleader. My read on Chyz is not based on meta. I have never played nor read one of his games. Is this how he normaly plays as town you think? 2 people were doing something that nobody so far found useful for 20 posts in a row. 1 guy said to those 2 people to stop their shitposting and asks on of them to do something useful in 1 post. The 1 guy gets crap for doing not more pro-towns things in his 1 post and the 2 people who made 20 shitpost together are not discussed. --- I don't get it. Is it meta? Scum generally do exactly 1 protown thing in their post? I get that TheChyz could have also done more digging himself, create more content, actively question people and look for scum. But unless he has a meta for doing those things, I am already content with him doing the 1 thing. It's more than others. And like you said, he did scumhunting after that. It doesn't matter that people had to ask him for it. It is important that he did it, and I don't see you commenting on the value of those posts. You just say: "He did scumhunting because he was asked for it, so it doesn't count". The reason I asked if you knew his meta was because you dismissed my by implying that unless you generally act as a townleader, stuff like this isn't scummy. I disagree. Saying to two people that they should stop arguing over stupid shit is protown. But it is very non-commital. Its okay to do stuff like that as long as you are pushing scum as well. But Chyz wasn't hunting scum, not untill people called him out for not hunting scum. It does not matter if he scumhunted after he was called out. If you are town and get called out for that, you scum hunt because it helps town. If you are scum, you scum hunt to avoid suspicion. The fact that he started scum hunt after he got called out for it IS not alignment indicative. I feel what is relevant here is what his motive was. Its clear that he was reading the thread, its clear that he wrote a post, its clear that he didn't care to post any reads untill he got called out for it. What alignment does these action make sense from? So first he says it is scum mentality for doing all of this and then proceeds to say that what I did is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE and that the real problem is my motive? Unless you know what my motive is that is a HUGE jump to conclusions off of my first post. During this time in the thread people liked jumping on me and as such laser seems to be trying to find different angles to attack me from. More on this jumping onto the hype train later on.that's what he said in the first place. it's obvious that telling two people to stop an argument isn't scum indicative. he never said it was. motive and scum mentality are the same thing. can you clarify? this is made up. How is it a huge jump to conclusions to speculate on a players mentality? That's like 90% of what scumhunting is. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Soo, about the 3 "protagonists" Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though. DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today. rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. So this is super wishy washy to me. Not really attacking anybody or defending anybody (which is ok) but literally it sounds like im just reading a synopsis of what happened in the thread. Seems like someone not having reads but making some in order to look pro town (yes u can say im hypocrite, but I think i have given a few okish cases, kk?). You admit yourself you're a hypocrite here so you can't really say it's alignment indicative convincingly at all. If I recall at the time people were asking for these reads Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:23 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote: On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Soo, about the 3 "protagonists" Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though. DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today. rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum Well, if your argument is "you should be able to pick a more clear stance" I cannot argue against it. I don't feel like making up a read on any of them just to please you. Also, my read on Eden is not a scum read. He is null. Hmm, seems contradictory to a something a few posts ago. Really looks like trying not to give a real read and offer little to the town. Contradicting what? It was clear that his read on Eden was null. You yourself posted reads when act that you said were soft or not worth voting for or town or null. Hypocritical, not alignment indicative, hardly contradictory. If his read is null, it's null, what makes you think he's trying to force it to be null? He was already forthcoming about his scum reads on robik and you which he was mostly concerned about anyway. Cherrypicking. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:57 Lazermonkey wrote: I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that. I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow. Same complaint that people use on me can be applied here. Says something, but has no point other than having something to make it seem like he is contributing to town. His point is pretty obvious - that he feels suspicious about Koshi. Explain this from a scum POV, explain how this is any different than the multitude of soft suspicions/doubt townies throw out over the course of a game and is probably in everyones filter. There is nothing suspicious about this. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi again. I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can. As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! Like i've said before, this is reading super "I'm sorry for doing what I did yesterday, forget about it and I will be town today. Lets lynch scum. GO TEAM GO". BLEH, try to hide more? Again, hypocritical. Pretty much says he's gonna be active later, doesn't seem like he's trying too hard to push town cred out of this....you also have come in the thread to explain your little fake changes of heart. Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 01:06 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm posting my thoughts as I go. I said yesterday that I dislike Koshi. After looking at his filter, I still think he looks bad. He didn't post much since yesterday evening so most of this is simply rehashing. 1. (Palmar was already touching on this but I think its a strong point which is worth repeating) Koshi was very very eager to defend Chyz in the early game. I'm not making any preflip associations here, but just by looking at his filter you can see how much time he spends on defending Chyz. This makes it looks like he is making alot of contributions (which in a sense he is) but he is in no way doing alot of scum hunting. Why is it that Koshi felt the ned to defend Chyz so hard in the first half of D1? 2. Not pushing geript despite voting him. 3. Afraid to actually call people scum. Instead saying things like "Your excuses come over scummy". Why not say YOU look scummy? Trying to set up a vote if possible, yet not pushing the lynch or having me against him as much as he could have. So this is pretty interesting. Seems like he is trying to push koshi a little but still not commiting. I don't have anything to add other than laser described himself perfectly in his 3rd point about koshi. I guess him tunneling you for a short bit and voting for you doesn't count. This is a normal way of ramping up the pressure, he's remaining focused on his scumread which spells town to me. Next immediately he forgets about koshi and goes onto geript. The only time before that he talked about geript is that he is slightly towny to him. So from going to leaning towny to super fine with lynching is a pretty big jump and his points he brings up don't merit that much of a jump. So what happened is koshi stuff died off a bit and then geript train was just starting. This would be a great vote for him if geript gets lynched because he was one of the first few but not the lynch starter so it seems like hes just trying to put himself in a good position if geript gets lynched. Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 02:04 Lazermonkey wrote: As for rikoty, I think he is mildly suspicious but not lynch worthy. He didn't really do anything but tunnel DH yesterday for a pretty retarded reason. By doing this, he essentially avoided talking about most other things. Making a massive list of all his reads is not bad, but with no follow up this isn't really helping us in any way. I think he could be a potential candidate for lynch D2 though. "I looked at him, not lynch worthy, but lynch tmrw is ok". Seems like he is trying to give rikoty a free pass to live another day...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also following the general town wagon because rikoty not doing so hot so this gets him + town points. Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for. Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today. ##Unvote ##Vote: geript So he drops his accusation on me (remember, at this point only dr.H was on my ass, everybody was mostly like, meh about me). Again super bandwagony. And up to this point his only real reads that I have seen that aren't rehashed stuff is a little on koshi (which also applies to him) so basically garbage. Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 03:02 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 02 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 02:51 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 02 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 02 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 02:21 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 02 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 02:07 Lazermonkey wrote: Lynching Marv is a terrible idea btw. Elaborate. Basically what Artanis said. marv will be posting more on D2 no matter what alignment he is. We will be able to judge him better at that point. If he sucks then, sure I can kill him. To kill the strongest player because he is inactive D1, when there are legitimate reasons to be inactive, is hardly worth it. Besides, even if your really think he is a good target, do you really believe he is the BEST target? If marv is scum he will probably be happy to even survive day1. On January 02 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: You didn't even give a read on marv. I'm not super impressed by marvs play this fair but TBH I don't have a strong read on him nor do I prioritize getting a better read on him atm. My point still stands though, I'm not willing to kill the strongest player because he is playing bad/is inactive D1. I once thought so too but this logic is actually retarded. If he is the strongest player he may aswell show us that he is town. So you would rather kill someone for not playing the game the way you want it to be played than to actually kill the most likely scum? Besides, if you really think marv is playing that bad does it make him more scum? It doesn't make sense for scum marv to suck so I feel this is a flawed argument. Marvs towngame is to play well and very active. Marvs scumgame is to not do jackshit. What do you think he is doing this game? o.O really? I've never played with scum marv. I guess that makes your argument more valid. Still, do you think he is the BEST lynch for today? So from going from, "I'm not lynching till day 2 cause marv is a strong player and I don't have a read on him or is playing bad" into, "well people are talking about marv, might aswell seem interested now". And finally after getting his points for being suspicious of marv he goes back to saying that geript is the best lynch so far. Again this is all unoriginal and is just following w/e the thread seems to be heading towards. I have not seen him give a good reason why he thinks geript is scummy and he just follows the threads flow. Not doing any scum hunting and when does they are pretty weak cases. Always seems to agree with the general tone of the thread and never has anything useful to add. Just lurking on through while still pretending to be "active". Overall I think he is a better lynch the geript and I think people should at least look more indepth on him. Also I have a feeling the ritoky and him are buddied scum. Sorry for long post, I know how you guys hate it but I really think laser is the best lynch today. That's enough of picking this one apart I got one more coming. Pls dont ignore | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:04 Koshi wrote: Another problem I have with lynching Chyz atm is that Dr.H. reminds me off BH his insane pushes and those never end well. the only problem you should EVER have with ANY lynch is whether or not you think the target is scum or not. anything else is bullshit and only concerns scum players who view votes as tactics | ||
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Shockingly, I still want to lynch TheChyz I will restrict this post to one point and one point only. Unfortunately, town will have to do some reading and yes I will quote him. This entire game is about reading. I'll just go in chronological order of his posts here and pick out only the parts that matter. Don't give me bullshit about taking stuff out of context unless you can demonstrate why the context matters. On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? From the third quote especially it's obvious that TheChyz highly suspects me as mafia. "Really scummish to me". Plain as day. He drops this read completely when he refocuses on LazerMonkey and acts as though he never thought I was mafia at all. On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. In this post he's back to trying to make his suspicion of me more legitimate. But how was he fine with me 8 hours ago? 8 hours ago he voted for me, tried to convince thread I was scum ("Really scummish" in fact). On top of that, he is once again confirming suspicion of me without really outright saying it. What does trying to push a vote mean? Why wouldn't I try to push a vote for someone I suspect highly? He provides zero examples which is inconsistent with his previous town behavior. On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. So he's trying to make it seem like he wasn't suspicious before (even though it's obvious he was scumreading me at the time). In his last post it seems that he suspects me again, but here it seems like he doesn't. On January 02 2015 04:18 TheChyz wrote: Just quickly dr.H the reason that I changed my opinion on you is that before going to bed that night it reminded me of one of my games where I tunneled somebody for a day because I found his posts suspicious. It turns out we were both town but the point is I find it very hard for a mafia to just tunnel and kinda annoy the thread like you have. Granted its keeping you safe from getting lynched day 1 for now, but it might have just as well backfired and I have very high doubts that scum would do something so risky with almost no reward. The more your tunneling the more it looks like your trying to get votes, but the matter of the fact that you haven't dropped it so far is pretty impressive and I just can't bring myself to believe that scum would do such a thing. That is mainly why my change in heart of you from that time happened. Maybe should have done this earlier to explain that? LOL. So now you're saying, yet again, that you changed your opinion on me overnight. So you did in fact, suspect me before, even though just a bit earlier you said you were fine with me. He is impressed by my tunneling and think it makes me appear very pro-town, so his suspicions from earlier are gone I guess. The reasons he raises suspicion on me in previous posts: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard The reasons he now claims to think I am town: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote: On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. Two posts later my tunneling is no longer impressive I guess and just makes poor Chyz want to quit the game. Martyrd. I don't know if I need to say much more, does anyone need more? Go check out his previous town game to see the shocking difference in tone basically throughout his entire play this game, I don't buy the argument that he's just tilting from being tunneled cause he didn't tilt evens lighly when he got lynched in that game | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:11 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It also reminds me of the times I catch a mafia day 1 and they all deflect and try to tilt me instead of responding to what i'm actually saying. just parrot "drh is stupid" until people believe it I think it would help you -a lot- if you tried making your case without using quotes at all. i wouldn't really know how. that was the common idea when I played including filling an entire persons post history with red and such. if you are all willing me to work with me on this, what would be a better way of presenting my case? do you know how frustrating it is to just straight up see people saying tl;dr in a game that relies on careful reading. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote: because where i was @ in the thread he didn't have a clearly established read (i am currently back around page 52ish) Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 08:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: huh? you don't wanna lynch geript today because you're reading him as disinterested town and scummy at the same time? what is this read? and i think this and a couple other points imply he believes chyz to be deflecting, if he makes this point without thinking geript is mafia then it makes no sense. he does, so i can understand it. this line makes sense either way but I do think geript and thechyz are mafia teammates along with batsnacks | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote: I think Vivax is mafia. I know his scum meta as trying to stir shit up. Considering the holidays I'm not ready to jump on anybody for activity, if he's not a big part of the conversation in day 2 then something is very wrong | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:21 Eden1892 wrote: Quick check in at work, Chyz looks like newbie town instead of mafia to me. He did a big pbp analysis of Lazermonkey which reminds me of all the times I've done pbp because I thought I really had something going. I'm also a little worried about geript lynch being too easy, idk if that will actually stay my vote though. You seem like you like reading. I went through it and show where he misrepresents lm intentionally. You need to be sheeping me rn. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:32 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm trying my best to keep my cool here. You can ignore it if thats your choice. It's an explicitly anti town thing to do, give me the benefit of the doubt, I think I've earned that much with what I've done in the past The one point you focused on was him voting you. If you were tunneling me as hard as you are him I would 100% vote you out of frustration too. And then I might come to my senses and unvote you. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. He literally stated he wasnt actually suspicious of me when he was trying to PUSH THE THREAD to vote for me. He said he was fine with me at that point and then later he says he actually did suspect me during that time and changed his mind between when he went to sleep and when he woke up. Changed his mind from a scumread to a townread presumably, but that makes no sense when it's obvious he wasn't being facetious about his read. Then after he wakes up he is putting suspicion on me again. Flipped all the way around. Then he buddies me and when it doesnt work he ragequits to write a bullshit case on lm. | ||
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Chyzs train of thought: 1. Drh is town 2. Drh is really scummy. 3. Ive been nonsuspicious of drh up to this point but now find him suspicious 4. I was suspicious of drh before but now i am not. If you look at the timing of everything he contradicts himself more than once | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:38 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 08:34 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 08:33 Vivax wrote: I'm sold, DrH. The 8 hours ago he seemed fine" part was enough for me. ##Vote TheChyz Yeah? Could you tell me in your own words how it makes Chyz scummy? Claims he was fine with DrH cause he looked like he was scumhunting, if you look at the posts in question at the time he said that DrH is spewing fluff left and right? Did you read it? He refuses to cause he was salty at me earlier. Go read chyz bullshit case on LM and ask yourself why anyone is running with that one right now | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:51 marvellosity wrote: ya we should not be lynching Chyz. Yes we should. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:57 marvellosity wrote: because he's a newish player and he's under this humungous tunnel and he's playing the game alone, not with a team. that's the other, very plausible, read. Copout. He was lynched as town in his last game and didnt let the pressure affect him at all. On top of that from top to bottom his tone is wsy different. Also.his case on lazermonkey is ridiculous, I made a podt about that but people refuse to engage with it so what else can i do? Guess new plsyers should just get ignored. Explain the lies about his read on me please, he contradicts himself over and over again. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:00 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote: The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. Is anybody else wondered? Nope. Vivax is mafia. It is quick to give up. Everyone else in the thread seems to think I'm wrong so why would chyz care enough to martyr himself? You're so sure vivax is scum over this alone? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:07 Koshi wrote: So you couldn't possible think of a reason why Chyz wants to quit? Vivax is trying to frame Chyz and he went over the top by saying "I wonder why he defeats so quickly". He is mafia. Dafuq? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:14 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 09:11 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote: On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for. Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today. ##Unvote ##Vote: geript Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred. Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him? Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked... So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly? Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we? I didn't ignore an argument, I simply found it later. I still didn't read the whole game, I'm mostly focusing on stuff I find interesting that is brought up, and DrH did a good job at bringing his point up, plus your post looked interesting when bats brought it up. This is where I stand right now and it's not a complete picture but the place I'm starting from. Does that answer your question? Do you now know why the post I quoted there looks scummy to me? Have you read my two most recent effort posts on thechyz? Should be a page or two before you came in. Koshi trying to make it seem like youre obsessing on geript is pretty funny. I need to take a break before I have a stroke, ill be back to yell about thechyz again. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:20 KelsierSC wrote: At this point chyz could say the sky is blue and drh would produce a 300 word essay on why it makes chyz mafia Yawn | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote: So I actually read through Chyz filter in Cultured really fast so take everything with a grain of salt.. I do think DH is correct in that he acted in a very different way in this game than he did in Cultured. He didn't seem to spew massive OMGUS at everyone who thought he was scum. I do think that makes Chyz look worse. However, there is still a mayor difference in that he didn't have DH up his ass constantly that game. Especially for a new player that can have a great influence in how you play. geript is still the better lynch of them imo. Pretty sure he was getting tunneled in the game and he definitely was up for lynch and was mislynched. He wasnt emotional in the least, notice how when he martyrs fucking likem...two posts before that he's trying to buddy up to me and apologize or something. He backed.down soooo sheepishly and when it didnt work he did a 180 and tilted all the way | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Shockingly, I still want to lynch TheChyz I will restrict this post to one point and one point only. Unfortunately, town will have to do some reading and yes I will quote him. This entire game is about reading. I'll just go in chronological order of his posts here and pick out only the parts that matter. Don't give me bullshit about taking stuff out of context unless you can demonstrate why the context matters. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote: Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? From the third quote especially it's obvious that TheChyz highly suspects me as mafia. "Really scummish to me". Plain as day. He drops this read completely when he refocuses on LazerMonkey and acts as though he never thought I was mafia at all. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. In this post he's back to trying to make his suspicion of me more legitimate. But how was he fine with me 8 hours ago? 8 hours ago he voted for me, tried to convince thread I was scum ("Really scummish" in fact). On top of that, he is once again confirming suspicion of me without really outright saying it. What does trying to push a vote mean? Why wouldn't I try to push a vote for someone I suspect highly? He provides zero examples which is inconsistent with his previous town behavior. Show nested quote + On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. So he's trying to make it seem like he wasn't suspicious before (even though it's obvious he was scumreading me at the time). In his last post it seems that he suspects me again, but here it seems like he doesn't. Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 04:18 TheChyz wrote: Just quickly dr.H the reason that I changed my opinion on you is that before going to bed that night it reminded me of one of my games where I tunneled somebody for a day because I found his posts suspicious. It turns out we were both town but the point is I find it very hard for a mafia to just tunnel and kinda annoy the thread like you have. Granted its keeping you safe from getting lynched day 1 for now, but it might have just as well backfired and I have very high doubts that scum would do something so risky with almost no reward. The more your tunneling the more it looks like your trying to get votes, but the matter of the fact that you haven't dropped it so far is pretty impressive and I just can't bring myself to believe that scum would do such a thing. That is mainly why my change in heart of you from that time happened. Maybe should have done this earlier to explain that? LOL. So now you're saying, yet again, that you changed your opinion on me overnight. So you did in fact, suspect me before, even though just a bit earlier you said you were fine with me. He is impressed by my tunneling and think it makes me appear very pro-town, so his suspicions from earlier are gone I guess. The reasons he raises suspicion on me in previous posts: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard The reasons he now claims to think I am town: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote: On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote: On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. Two posts later my tunneling is no longer impressive I guess and just makes poor Chyz want to quit the game. Martyrd. I don't know if I need to say much more, does anyone need more? Go check out his previous town game to see the shocking difference in tone basically throughout his entire play this game, I don't buy the argument that he's just tilting from being tunneled cause he didn't tilt evens lighly when he got lynched in that game I want your thoughts on this kelsier and vivax. Specifically, please read or refute. If town wants me to move on, help me move on | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:45 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 09:43 Vivax wrote: On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote: The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible. I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead. Nope. Dr.H. hasn't shown any form of interesting thought outside his Chyz tunnel. Which is 90% boring stuff and 10% plausible stuff. Yet Dr.H. has 12 pages of filter. I dare anybody in this game to give me 1 interesting thought DrH. gave that wasn't about Chyz. There is nothing. It's only Day 1 baby. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:45 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote: So I actually read through Chyz filter in Cultured really fast so take everything with a grain of salt.. I do think DH is correct in that he acted in a very different way in this game than he did in Cultured. He didn't seem to spew massive OMGUS at everyone who thought he was scum. I do think that makes Chyz look worse. However, there is still a mayor difference in that he didn't have DH up his ass constantly that game. Especially for a new player that can have a great influence in how you play. geript is still the better lynch of them imo. Pretty sure he was getting tunneled in the game and he definitely was up for lynch and was mislynched. He wasnt emotional in the least, notice how when he martyrs fucking likem...two posts before that he's trying to buddy up to me and apologize or something. He backed.down soooo sheepishly and when it didnt work he did a 180 and tilted all the way I obviously only skimmed through his filter so I cannot say anything for certain but to me it didn't look like he was under the same sort of pressure that he is this game. His difference in meta is interesting and imo it makes him look worse. But I think it is somewhat possible that he just crumbled super hard under all pressure. It's not the only reason I suspect him or anything, it's important in the grander context of his actions being scummy as hell anyway. The argument isn't that he's scum.because he's playing.differently. Its because it refutes the copout that he's just a newb who can't play town. Provides a nice contrast that makes some of the motives clearer because you can see the sort of things he looks.for as town and patterns to how he forms arguments. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:50 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 09:45 Koshi wrote: On January 02 2015 09:43 Vivax wrote: On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote: The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible. I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead. Nope. Dr.H. hasn't shown any form of interesting thought outside his Chyz tunnel. Which is 90% boring stuff and 10% plausible stuff. Yet Dr.H. has 12 pages of filter. I dare anybody in this game to give me 1 interesting thought DrH. gave that wasn't about Chyz. There is nothing. It's only Day 1 baby. So what? What? Really what? You can't produce 1 single interesting thought about anybody else than 1 person because it is Day 1? It's funny you acknowledge you have done nothing this game about the 18 other people beside Chez and brush it off as "Day 1". Want a big list of reads or something? Why bother posting half assed gutreads. I already made it known how i feel about geript. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote: Drh Here is how I read it. 1) chyz is annoyed with you and votes you 2) before going to bed he started to.consider you are scum and made his, dr hnis scum.post 3) he comes back.next day and explains the initial.votr on you wasn't serious but his post after that were he suspects you was more serious I dont see anything scummy about that tbh He wasn't just annoyed. His language is clearly a scumread. He says I am really scummy. He sayd basically DAE think drh scum? Then goes to bed, comes back said he was fine with me the whole.time.and fine with my scumhunting. However, yesterday he was calling me really scummy and saying i only post fluff. Then he goes on to say i still seem scummy and am spamming. He implies scum intentions. Then he says later that he went to bed thinking i was scum.and woke up thinking i was town. But what he had said before is that he went to bed thinking i was town (why call someone really scummy and look for vote support if you have a townread) and woke up thinking im scummy. Also he omgusd other people like 3 or 4 times then martyr himself.....bullshit case on lm too | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: JAT's the only one I remember. The rest mustn't have tried very hard. Geript counts right? | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:00 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 09:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote: Drh Here is how I read it. 1) chyz is annoyed with you and votes you 2) before going to bed he started to.consider you are scum and made his, dr hnis scum.post 3) he comes back.next day and explains the initial.votr on you wasn't serious but his post after that were he suspects you was more serious I dont see anything scummy about that tbh He wasn't just annoyed. His language is clearly a scumread. He says I am really scummy. He sayd basically DAE think drh scum? Then goes to bed, comes back said he was fine with me the whole.time.and fine with my scumhunting. However, yesterday he was calling me really scummy and saying i only post fluff. Then he goes on to say i still seem scummy and am spamming. He implies scum intentions. Then he says later that he went to bed thinking i was scum.and woke up thinking i was town. But what he had said before is that he went to bed thinking i was town (why call someone really scummy and look for vote support if you have a townread) and woke up thinking im scummy. Also he omgusd other people like 3 or 4 times then martyr himself.....bullshit case on lm too Well we interpret his language differently. his first vote on you when he says "here is a garbage read" that just sounds like him being pissed off. Again I don't see him lying. He thought you were dumb town then considered you scum. He explained that next day. I quite like the lm case it is kind of sheep ing my case but I'm really smart so that is understandable. If he wants to suicide this game I have total empathy After the joke like five seconds later he calls me really scummy and starts calling on the rest of the thread. Was that a joke too? Then why did he say recently that he did actually scumread me at the time | ||
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Geript and TheChyz are my major scumreads. Geript is clearly being quiet in preparation for his post flip filter getting combed. Vivax is fine, ya'll are too quick to jump on somebody catching up. He is being extremely forthcoming with his thoughts which is a good sign if townie vivax to me. Lazermonkey i feel is town just not playing great. Koshi, Artanis, batsnacks and ritoky give me heebie jeebies. Palmar to a lesser extent, will see on day 2 | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:08 Koshi wrote: Vivax scummeta is asking small dumb questions to his partners. Thats not what hes doing | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote: Yes Artanis and I already said why I don't like your arguments on geript. They are more meta-heavy and while you might see them as given ,everyone else who doesnt have experience with geripts meta won't simply accept them. Something more concrete like the points on Chyz would be appreciated, provided you really want to convince me on geript. At least the first half of his filter didn't scream mafia to me so if you had to bring up non-meta-stuff, what would it be? Jump thru marvs filter. Geript fos marv because he is saying marv tried to seed doubt about him when it was really just a null read. Backtracks and says he was just paranoid and then again lists it as a reason he thinks marv is scum later. | ||
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how many times have you all seen a town player OMGUS someone for posting a null read about them and act like it's a bandwagon | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:21 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 10:19 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 10:18 KelsierSC wrote: On January 02 2015 10:16 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 10:15 KelsierSC wrote: Gb made a great point about marv and it seemed like he believed what he said so yeh gb can be in my club I made that point ages before GB did and GB knows very well that we aren't lynching marv right now. You are in my club too don't worry Do you want to.lynch Gb? I like him He has done nothing this game. Literally nothing. What is there to like about him? I liked the marv post I guess, it felt like he believed it. I dunno you really think hr is good lynch? That's what I thought too but it kinda falls apart when you consider that JAT wasn't the only person to consider a marv lynch or marv as scum. Also, it wouldn't be unnatural for him to be thinking about scum manipulating Marv's lower activity level if he was scum. I'm not FoSing GB, I'm saying he gave no good reason to lynch or suspect Marv especially considering he's being fairly active now and because of NYE. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:28 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 10:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: And omgusing someone for having a null read is insanely defensive Well if this is your view on geript why don't you feel as confident on him as you are on TheChyz? It seems like you have quite the drive to convince me on voting geript while at the same time not really mentioning him much when umprompted, might be I missed something though as I'm not double checking atm. Because I didn't really feel the need to take a lead on that or something. I pointed out why I saw and the main reason I had the read, but because people weren't listening to me about thechyz i feel inclined to beat my head against the wall so if i die night 1 people don't let him slide. I like to go one at a time until I change my mind or they're done. I'll vote for geript if I need to because I think it's the second best lynch - and a very good lynch. If you think this is tunneling read me vs pandain insane mafia | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: Well when geript flips mafia (hes going too) Everyone can sheep palmer and artanis to their hearts content. Ill also be pretty confirmed and a few others maybe too. i dont like when people feel the need to remind everyone how many townie points will be handed out when someone flips. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. Marv says geript may or may not be scum. Geript says "you're fear lynching me because you're scum". Marv calls him out. Geript backs down and says he was being paranoid because he assumed Marv was scum. Then he calls Marv scum again and uses the old fear lynching as evidence again.... being that defensive over a null read look bad too. you don't think so? | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote: Artanis. You make me sad. and now this is the only shit he can pull up when his ass is on the chopping block? geript is way too annoying as a townie to do this | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:39 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 10:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. Marv says geript may or may not be scum. Geript says "you're fear lynching me because you're scum". Marv calls him out. Geript backs down and says he was being paranoid because he assumed Marv was scum. Then he calls Marv scum again and uses the old fear lynching as evidence again.... being that defensive over a null read look bad too. you don't think so? If you put it like that it just looks like two people doing and saying dumb things, but maybe it's cause I'm halfway drunk. M: You maybe scum. G: You want to lynch me cause your're scum. M: U wot m8. G: Sorry I didn't mean it cause I thought you were scum. G: Oh well actually you're scum cause you want to lynch me cause you don't want me to lynch you. Ehhhh That's not quite how it plays out. What the fuck has geript contributed to this game? He's about to be lynched and he's popping in absolute fluff. There's even a small amount of traction on marv but he's not doinganything to capitalize on that.= like he would if he really believed it. if geript reallyb elieved it he wouldn't shut up about it either. he even uses the same term "fear lynching" again . | ||
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In every accusation chyz makes he qualifies it by saying "im a hypocrite". he's saying he's guilty of the same behavior of the people he's accusing and then flipping it in his posts to make me look bad because i'm focused on them instead of him. again he accuses me (one post that he said was a joke). ten seconds later he calls me really scummy and tries to get traction on it in the thread. that fails completely. he goes to bed, wakes up and says he was actually fine with me the whole time. that i was trying to scum hunt? then says i'm scummy for tunneling him and scummy for being a bully. but wait, am i really to believe he was kidding when he voted for me and made two more posts about itsupporting his vote and asking the thread if anyone else follows his suspicions. so that was just a joke? if it wasn't serious why are we letting that slide regardless? then he comes in even later and says he actually did find me scummy during and it was after he woke up that he decided i was town....but that's not what he said at all when he actually did wake up. he was appealing to geript to make me look scummy again. meta is totally different as i said before and his case on lm and his read on eden are full of fishy shit | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:46 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 10:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 10:39 Vivax wrote: On January 02 2015 10:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. Marv says geript may or may not be scum. Geript says "you're fear lynching me because you're scum". Marv calls him out. Geript backs down and says he was being paranoid because he assumed Marv was scum. Then he calls Marv scum again and uses the old fear lynching as evidence again.... being that defensive over a null read look bad too. you don't think so? If you put it like that it just looks like two people doing and saying dumb things, but maybe it's cause I'm halfway drunk. M: You maybe scum. G: You want to lynch me cause your're scum. M: U wot m8. G: Sorry I didn't mean it cause I thought you were scum. G: Oh well actually you're scum cause you want to lynch me cause you don't want me to lynch you. Ehhhh That's not quite how it plays out. What the fuck has geript contributed to this game? He's about to be lynched and he's popping in absolute fluff. There's even a small amount of traction on marv but he's not doinganything to capitalize on that.= like he would if he really believed it. if geript reallyb elieved it he wouldn't shut up about it either. he even uses the same term "fear lynching" again . Well he has contributed more than me or RoL for example but the matter of fact is: Did he fake contribute? The slam dunk part here seems to be that he's not contributing more than his town standard and that he tried to contribute when faced with marv's nullness by calling marv scum. From my own experience I know that calling marv scum is a very ballsy thing to do as he has some sort of wizardry that makes him seem important but in this case I can't tell if it's fake from geript. because when i read his case i get the feeling he doesn't really believe it and his behavior (he's clearly still lurking and reading) now supports that | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:48 GlowingBear wrote: Everybody knows filter length isn't alignment indicative for me. I've said at pre game that I was traveling and my activity would be low. I'm sorry I'm at the Caribbean, I suppose. My points on marv are 3 1) Filter length 2) scum not picking that (if people didn't actually pick it) 3) Him lurking and posting when I've threw suspicion on him. If you're all not up to lynch marv, Id like to lynch between Eden or Sicklucker, mostly. What I've read from geript made me have a slight townread on him, so I'm not lynching him. It looks like geript will be lynched so I don't think it's weird that he wouldn't be super active right now. The filter length thing is wash cause of NYE | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gbs points on marv are terrible. Notice all the people who lurked hard and did nothing all game are being really aggressive close to deadline. This only matter if they do the same thing again day 2. Fluff it up until the hours | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote: Artanis. You make me sad. You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town ![]() Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on. When you say caught early on do you mean Marvs null read that you flipped over? What im hearing here is you gave up the second you got accused. Its day fucking 1 and the wagon isnt necessarily running roughshod over you. | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:09 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote: On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote: Artanis. You make me sad. You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town ![]() Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on. When you say caught early on do you mean Marvs null read that you flipped over? What im hearing here is you gave up the second you got accused. Its day fucking 1 and the wagon isnt necessarily running roughshod over you. Honestly DrH, you're either being a complete dumbass here today or you're mafia. Like I've told you 20 times. Take a valium. Take 80. Literally all your doing is being an asshole and harassing people. Which fwiw, is his scum meta. If people are curious, look at bluelightz. Listen to the mafia podcasts (he says so himself). I rescind my townread on DrH. Ah yes, the famed bullying tactic of encouraging you to defend for yourself | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:12 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Or why wouldnt the cop maybe check lm or marv or vivax or one of these other bullshit cases.....hes not thinking about that cause he knows if he survives he needs an excuse for a possible red check. This is atrocious defense It's not a fucking defense. It's the truth. There's a point when people become so hung up in their own bad logic and reasoning that many times the best solution is to force them out of it. There's really not a good way for me to do that other than die. Plus, if I by some miracle don't get lynched, then every day I'm alive people will be 100% focusing on something that's absolutely worthless. Mafia isn't just about finding mafia. Sometimes it's also assessing the situation and making the right play. If it's the bold play or the selfless play or what not, I do what I fucking think is right for town. So yah. I've posted my thoughts. I've made sure that people know where I stand on things. Koshi's read on Vivax is actually quite solid IMO. That said, town also needs to move the fuck on. There are hours left and there are other wagons too. There are a few people who agree with you on vivax, why dont you talk about that instead of flinging shit at me. Apparently you had little problem with me up until right this second and you seem very convinced you will be lynched when I'm not sure anyone saw it that way until you threw a tantrum just now | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Chyz I want to talk to you about a few things in your filter if you're still here. I won't let your father bully you I promise. He already quit cause i was too mean | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:16 batsnacks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 13:14 justanothertownie wrote: On January 02 2015 13:13 batsnacks wrote: On January 02 2015 13:08 Eden1892 wrote: Maybe there's something here. On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote: I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read: Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out. He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game. Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him. And this scummy too: On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote: I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right ##vote: IAmRobik This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes: 1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia." 2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking. Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts. batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me. On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote: Mr DrH what do you think about this: First TheChyz posts this: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey And he earned town points for it: On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being. On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him. Then later he posts this: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. And gets more town points: On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote: On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote: I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi. And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me. I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points? He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made. The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier. I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care. ##UNVOTE: geript ##VOTE: batsnacks I already said I'm not unvoting chyz because if he is mafia and self voting and getting let off the hook for it, it's going to piss me off. So my vote is staying. If thechyz hadn't self voted I probably wouldn't have voted him. Also no one is voting lazermonkey or robik, the two people I wanted to lynch originally, so of course I'm not going to keep my vote there. Since when do you care if other people agree with you? What? No one is voting lazer or robik, I'm not going to waste my vote. I would much rather vote the self-voting chyz. What do you think of geript | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:56 batsnacks wrote: I could use 1 to save me fyi go ahead and use your own vote then | ||
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On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote: Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? did you just say that chyz is a worse lynch than you? | ||
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On January 02 2015 14:30 IAmRobik wrote: why did you vote for vivax? instead of batsnacks? were you not worried about getting lynched? Everybody needs to take a second look at geript and TheChyz on the basis that they were the other leading lynches. I'm inclined to think damdred and eden look worst from this flip so I'll be reading their filters before the night is over | ||
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On January 02 2015 14:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Whats scum geripts motivation not to vote for batsnacks? Just off the top of my head, looking like a dick in a few minutes when he knows he's gonna flip town? Vivax was a more suspicious choice than Marv too. That's more concerning to me. I can see geript doing something like this as town. How does he not figure hes just gonna get piled on either way? His only chance in both situations is just to push his best read and batsnacks also chose not to save himself as town. That's why it's weird to me that he voted vivax over marv because now if he pushes marv over vivax ....see where im going? | ||
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I kinda have you leaning scummy rn eden, we might as well talk now since this my only day off work this week. I will have to be much less active for the next 4 days or so. | ||
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On January 02 2015 15:38 sicklucker wrote: Towns in a really bad spot I think. I still feel like most of us if not all of us are town but now we look like shit. GAME OVER MAN. How are we in a bad spot? If you assume we just made an easy mistake with bats you're the one who was thinking we already caught 2 mafia. Weird..... | ||
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you think every single person in a last second was town? 6 townies just fell off of the strong geript lynch with no interference or support from the mafia whatsoever? it's possible, I don't think it's likely, but either way it doesn't mean we're in a bad position | ||
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On January 02 2015 16:01 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 15:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm inclined to agree with his first point so idk. SL has said some shit that i didn't like and some stuff i did like. i'll check his filter too. I kinda have you leaning scummy rn eden, we might as well talk now since this my only day off work this week. I will have to be much less active for the next 4 days or so. What's up? I don't feel like messing with vote count analysis any more right now. What do you think about geript? I feel like his explanation is obviously BS and yet at the same time it's hard to understand why he wouldn't just put the nail in town!batsnacks coffin if he were mafia. Well the main thing is that after he leaves the thread he comes back like he's ready to take the game seriously and then this. if he's scum i could see him just going into panic mode and doing something stupid, if he was town he would have been putting up a bigger fight this whole thread I think. I think there's no way that all town is involved in this like sicklucker seems to think, it was a great lynch at the time and everyone hit the panic button on it | ||
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On January 02 2015 17:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 17:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nah, won't freak out. Need to revisit chyz later because I think the good points I made got lost in the rest of my endless ranting. I will get that done before I go in to work tomorrow. What's your impression of players who you would consider to be on the edges of the conflict between you and Chyz? I know you've called out several people directly for deflecting or defending Chyz, but what about people who seem to be just nodding in assent one way or the other? Nobody comes to mind, I would have to do a lot of rereading. | ||
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Leaning town on JAT, Eden, VE and LM (who I think was first deflection off of geript/chyz) Feel good about geript and thechyz still. Leaning scum on sicklucker, GB and one of Marv/Palmar. Pretty much null or haven't paid enough attention to anyone else. I've had weird feelings about Artanis and Damdred before but I was fully immersed in my tunnel at that point and never nurtured those gut reads. Weakest town read here is JAT but I definitely see where he's coming from on Vivax and he's noticing the right things. When I read Vivax first start to shit on JAT it felt like he didn't really have a scumread and was just mad about the way he played. I already had that argument with JAT but didn't feel it necessary to go cherrypick his filter or something and I was definitely more pissed off too | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:29 IAmRobik wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:27 justanothertownie wrote: You don't think I would give you a one day pass after you explicitly said you would up your play day2 when you have a perfectly valid reason not to be very active day1? Yup. I think you're too aggro as town to give anyone a pass. "Fuck you, if you're not gonna play I'm gonna lynch you". Especially me who you notoriously call mafia every game He was flaming me instead bro | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:34 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah but don't we agree on his three reads there? JAT you suspect Vivax and geript too do you not? I think we should lynch geript tomorrow and get this game where it should have been tonight before we start lynching for pride Maybe. We will see tomorrow. You're not down with a geript lynch? What would you suggest as a better jumping off point. | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:41 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I also skimmed JATs last town game and he was playing the same way. Never really posted a big case of a PBP, spent a lot of his time asking prodding questions and just playing conversationally. If that's the best way for him to form reads why overreact about it now. I guess Vivax wouldn't be scared to sheep Chyz even if they were scumbuddies. Also awesome conspiracy if geript voted vivax in preparation for team to bus him on day 2 It's cause that spammy play makes it harder to find relevant information. It increases thread volume and contains a lot of parts that you canismply skip cause they have no information whatsoever, all of this is good for scum, less transparency, and in case of a scum JAT it's incredibly tedious to find the relevant incriminating information in his filter You can scrap that conspiracy theory though cause I'm town. Maybe a scum geript was expecting to flip and put that wifom vote in there to fake that he's distancing himself from me, effectively trying to get his buddies to pick up on that and push me subsequently cause I already looked bad. This version only be solved with his or my flip. I don't think he was wrong when you said he was misrepresented earlier. It was clear when he said no reads he meant bad/soft reads, people exaggerate or use strong language all the time. I do it constantly for example, besides that all you really have is a complaint about his general play style. Let's refocus on geript | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:54 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:52 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 05:51 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2015 05:51 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 05:50 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 05:46 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2015 05:39 justanothertownie wrote: Batsnacks was not playing his towngame. It was obviously a bad lynch since he was town but don't even try to sell that it was an obvious mislynch, Palmar. Yes it was, "he was not playing his towngame" is not a thing. You have to demonstrate why what he is doing makes him mafia. That is what I did. And I just quoted the only post you ever made about batsnacks. Does not look like an obvious townread to me. it's a townread, sure he had posted like 15 words or something, so it was never going to be strong. But you just don't lynch my townreads on day 1. Never. You mean like bunnies shouldn't have shot Breshke last game, eh? wasn't day 1. Checkmate. Was night1. You consistently townread breshke day1/night1. So what, didn't I lynch mafia day 1? It was a good thing we didn't lynch Broski. Stop arguing this, you can go back through like million games. I consistently admit that I always miss one mafia. That doesn't mean you should try to lynch the one townread of mine that happens to be mafia. It's still bad play. i hate this post | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2015 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you want to move on and lynch geript tomorrow Palmar or have you done enough of convincing us that you're awesome I'm not awesome. I'm just explaining that the people who lynched batsnacks are terrible. So reading through the lynch. I had a scum read on bats, a few others did. Then JAT was like "lets lynch bats" then random fuckwads came out the woodwork and lynched bats for bad reasons/no reasons/ every thing he said reason (eden) So if i'm JAT in that position I would be like fuck this and go back to geript. assuming JAT is good. JAT you even said something like "why are you people here now" or "this feels bad" just explain why the alarm bells didn't go off and make you switch. this is better | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:00 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if he came to have a scumread on your townread why would voting for them be a bad idea? if it was successful it's still a bad idea because it makes your reads seem less perfect? fuck off with that No because generally (and I say generally, maybe I'm completely wrong on everything this game? who knows?) if I throw out like 6-10 townreads there's usually only going to be 1 mafia in there. Again, maybe this is the game where I get everything wrong, but let's assume it's not. Just from a statistical point of view it's better to lynch outside the players I've townread, because if most of the townreads are correct (even if 1 or maybe 2 are wrong) there's going to be more mafia in the remaining players. But I cba arguing this. batsnacks was a terrible lynch. Now all my reads are fucked up and I will be awful for the rest of the game because I can't tell dumb from scum. Here's to hoping mafia just shoots me to rid town of me. ah, you give up now then? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:02 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:00 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2015 05:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if he came to have a scumread on your townread why would voting for them be a bad idea? if it was successful it's still a bad idea because it makes your reads seem less perfect? fuck off with that No because generally (and I say generally, maybe I'm completely wrong on everything this game? who knows?) if I throw out like 6-10 townreads there's usually only going to be 1 mafia in there. Again, maybe this is the game where I get everything wrong, but let's assume it's not. Just from a statistical point of view it's better to lynch outside the players I've townread, because if most of the townreads are correct (even if 1 or maybe 2 are wrong) there's going to be more mafia in the remaining players. But I cba arguing this. batsnacks was a terrible lynch. Now all my reads are fucked up and I will be awful for the rest of the game because I can't tell dumb from scum. Here's to hoping mafia just shoots me to rid town of me. relax man we can turn this shit around Not if he is voting me every day. He's calling you stupid, not trying to convince anyone you're scum. Does Palmar tilt this much as town when he doesn't get his way and give up? I thought he was respected | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:05 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Palmar is the one who told the scum to sheep JATs vote so he could come in here and try to collect town cred in light of his absence from most of yesterdays discussion leading up to the lynch. If he is town, we're still in a good position with heat on his two known scumreads but instead he's mad about not getting the cred and being obeyed - that was his true goal. It's so clear in my head man See, another guy who is either dumb or scum. I was absent because the deadline is 5am my time. That's fine, then you should be used to town being in a different place and not just sheeping you the whole time you're asleep. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Like Palmar sure bitching a lot about a lynch he wasn't interested in participating in. Like I get time constraints, but he didn't seem super interested in the lynch when he was around, so the amount of bitching is disproportionate. He has no apparent interest in day 2 lynch either other than to punish the person who disobeyed the mighty palmar. If he isn't even sure about his geript read now there's literally nothing to suspect JAT for. What he's saying is that anybody who would suspect someone he said he had a town read on (a light light town read which he gave little explanaton for) has to be either dumb or scum. That's crazy. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:08 Palmar wrote: Also another reason why DrH is dumb and shouldn't be listened to: If I am indeed mafia, I am basically being universally townread. I have a solid tunnel going on on geript (who is then presumably town) and all I have to do is keep on trucking. Like I don't think a single person called me mafia yesterday. So in DrH's world, I could possibly be mafia because instead of taking advantage of my already incredible amount of towncred, I'm throwing a hissy fit over a shitty lynch. From now on I'm not going ot read DrH posts. They're worthless pile of trash. Yeah, you're not skilled enough at scum probably to tunnel someone or survive on Day 1. My bad, that proves you're town | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not townreading Palmar fwiw You're trash. Your posts are fucking garbage. He tunneled Geript on Day 1 and no one thought he was scum for it at the time. That proves he can't be mafia. trash. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:13 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 05:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can't get over sicklucker saying town is fucked when he also thinks town caught 2 mafia in the other bandwagons...why assume chyz or geript will survive this game I said two mafia as in bats and gerit when gerit wouldnt vote for bats. Not whatever your thinking. Thats NOT WHAT YOU SAID LOL | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:16 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:12 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:10 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 06:04 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 05:56 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 05:53 Palmar wrote: On January 03 2015 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you want to move on and lynch geript tomorrow Palmar or have you done enough of convincing us that you're awesome I'm not awesome. I'm just explaining that the people who lynched batsnacks are terrible. So reading through the lynch. I had a scum read on bats, a few others did. Then JAT was like "lets lynch bats" then random fuckwads came out the woodwork and lynched bats for bad reasons/no reasons/ every thing he said reason (eden) So if i'm JAT in that position I would be like fuck this and go back to geript. assuming JAT is good. JAT you even said something like "why are you people here now" or "this feels bad" just explain why the alarm bells didn't go off and make you switch. As you can see by the things you quote in this very posts the alarm bells DID go off. But people arriving at deadline aren't necessarily scum and I just wasn't sure if geript was the better lynch since he acted so defeated and I had a difficult time seeing him be like that as mafia. yeh what I meant was why didnt you switch when the alarm bells went off. I'm not sure I buy your explanation Like dam,eden and SL's reasons are all awful and they are at the deadline with bad reasons....I just think you are a better player than that and the last second awful ninja vote doesn't make you switch? Explain the mafia motivation behind the last second awful ninja vote. geript is mafia That's not an answer. ok geript is mafia vigi and mafia need to preserve KP so they jump on bats to ensure geript doesn't die. That could be a reason. 3 people who have done nothing towny at all ( and SL who I have shown has played pretty scummy) come out with bad reasons to jump on a wagon and lynch town. They weren't so horrible when you were saying some of the same things earlier about how batsnacks was off but now you are coming in raising hell about how our reasons were shit? I generally have a good track record with bats and he was playing really really similarly to how he played in ffl2 to me and neat and tidy mafia. I gave my reasons sure now that hes flipped it sucks but he wasn't htat bad a lynch and why you are throwing dirt on people who lynched one of your scum reads idk. If someone reaches the same read as you with horrible reasoning there's no reason to think they can't be mafia trying to sheep you | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:13 sicklucker wrote: On January 03 2015 05:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I can't get over sicklucker saying town is fucked when he also thinks town caught 2 mafia in the other bandwagons...why assume chyz or geript will survive this game I said two mafia as in bats and gerit when gerit wouldnt vote for bats. Not whatever your thinking. Thats NOT WHAT YOU SAID LOL nevermind. it is what you said. lol | ||
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On January 02 2015 13:44 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 13:32 justanothertownie wrote: Why are you guys all coming out of the woodwork now -.- I town read the four who actually voted bats your still null for me. he has a town read on the other people who flipped make it sounds like he's thinking about where he stands cred wise with the other voters | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:10 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Or why wouldnt the cop maybe check lm or marv or vivax or one of these other bullshit cases.....hes not thinking about that cause he knows if he survives he needs an excuse for a possible red check. This is atrocious defense agreed like this case is over. On January 02 2015 13:46 sicklucker wrote: Ya geript wtf was that vote explain yourself I can easily hammer you now if I want to because your not voting bats On January 02 2015 13:52 sicklucker wrote: This is so weird like. its basically a 5-5 or 4-5 tie between them now and neither wants to vote the other. Did we find 2 mafia boys? On January 02 2015 13:54 sicklucker wrote: Like the only logical explanation I can come up with of why gerit would waste his vote is hes town trying to commit suicide for real. So like ill leave my vote for now So first geript is def mafia then he has nothing to say about bats. He votes, says he agrees with edens analysis and buddies to him, then says that geript and bats are both mafia because neither will hammer the other, then that geript is mafia for not saving himself and then that he is town for not saving himself. how can be case closed scum for giving up earlier and then be town for giving up later? his filter is nothing but agreeing with other players + fluffy questions that he never really follows up on hard at all. i'll check his meta to see if anything pops out | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:24 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sicklucker is the only person who didn't even attempt to justify his switch to bats Sheeping 4 of 6 townreads in a 20 player game is a better reason then what most of you did. I literally town read all of you look at my filter. I have very few town reads as well. I gave my reasons for suspecting bats while you sheeped everybody else. You were also basically cheerleading me when I was attacking geript too. Liar | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:29 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:27 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 06:26 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:23 IAmRobik wrote: On January 03 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:18 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 06:16 KelsierSC wrote: also if geript votes bats, and bats flips town who the fuck do you think we lynch d2? so then mafia goes 1-1 with town and like everyone who voted on geripts d1 which is like 6 people suddenly become confirmed town. That is probably why he doesn't vote bats. Geript voting bats does not make anyone lynch geript. ... Well I am happy to lynch geript today anyway. If he voted on a town to save himself that just confirms it for me. WHAT?!?!? JAT seems to be under the impression that geript isn't going to get lynched today and that he wouldn't have looked scummy at all if he voted bats. I am correcting that impression I NEVER said geript wouldn't be lynched. What I am saying is that voting for his counter wagon isn't scummy in the slightest. right cool. but you asked me the motivation behind geript's vote and I gave it to you. No. My point is that geript as mafia should have voted bats. Geript as a townie also should have voted bats. Hence my confusion about his ninja vote which is essentially just extremely weird and a null tell. If he's scum it would make more sense to try to confuse everybody with his vote to make the discussions harder. If Geript is scum and at least 1 person voting for bats was scum they could have easily coordinated this vote to ensure his survival | ||
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1. Geript is scum because he martyred 2. Bats is scum because of edens post and because my townreads all agree 3. Both geript and bats are scum 4. Geript is scum for not saving himself 5. Geript might be town for not saving himself and martyring Ten posts or so earlier you confidently tell people to get on a martyrs bandwagon then later you say all your day 1 reads are a wash anyway. Nah, i dont believe that | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote: [/blue][/b]Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 10:44 IAmRobik wrote: On January 02 2015 10:43 Alakaslam wrote: TheChyz (5): Eden1892, until deadline. Oh jeez, that's one ugly looking wagon to be on. Where to move my vote -.- On the confirmed scum who has literally conceded On January 02 2015 11:10 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Or why wouldnt the cop maybe check lm or marv or vivax or one of these other bullshit cases.....hes not thinking about that cause he knows if he survives he needs an excuse for a possible red check. This is atrocious defense agreed like this case is over. On January 02 2015 11:18 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:02 geript wrote: On December 31 2014 14:54 sicklucker wrote: Mspaint. and No. So like a scum dandred wont make a midnight opening joke post about him being mafia. Like who starts a mafia game at midnight. Scum would be more inclined to lurk untill tomorrow. Im getting a slight town read from it. Dont see how you can get a strong read either way as in to like vote him. Awkward start of the game votes at the first thing they read piss me off. You'll find with most vets, that votes early on really don't mean shit. As far as I'm concerned his unfunny joke is slightly scummy, but nothing I terribly care about. Besides, he's fun to vote for. As for lurking vs not lurking, that's just dumb. He'll post as scum whenever he wants. IIRC he usually tries to get in early as scum but he does that as town too. How lurky or not lurky he is within the first 5 minutes isn't something I'd consider even partially useful for reading him or anyone else. Sidenote to scum: You should probably shoot Damdred. There's like a 40% chance that he's the cop. Show nested quote + On December 31 2014 15:46 geript wrote: On December 31 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote: On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What's up nerds. Let's talk policy - unlike a lot of people I think it's plenty useful on Day 1. I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars. What's your policy on lynching people who claim scum? @Damdred. Here's your check baby boy. Classic mafia fishing for role info. I ignored it at the time but no longer. Lets go On January 02 2015 13:29 sicklucker wrote: I mean my 4 strongest town reads just voted bats. So ya im down ##vote bats On January 02 2015 13:46 sicklucker wrote: Ya geript wtf was that vote explain yourself I can easily hammer you now if I want to because your not voting bats On January 02 2015 13:49 sicklucker wrote: I wanna spite vote geript now On January 02 2015 13:52 sicklucker wrote: This is so weird like. its basically a 5-5 or 4-5 tie between them now and neither wants to vote the other. Did we find 2 mafia boys? On January 02 2015 13:54 sicklucker wrote: Like the only logical explanation I can come up with of why gerit would waste his vote is hes town trying to commit suicide for real. So like ill leave my vote for now Scum don't need to save themselves with their vote obviously when a teammate can do it for them right? Why is geript not saving himself the whole reason you suspect him until now all of a sudden he's a townread for you | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:43 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript doesnt need to vote to save himself all he has to do is uhhh have a teammate vote for bats right? In what world is that a reach That's not very plausible to me. Why would the scumteam sacrifice another player if geript could just do the job himself without looking any scummier for it? If we lynch geript at some point the buddy who hammers bats looks awful. Yeah, sicklucker will look awful when we lynch geript. I'd do the same thing if I was geript. Switch votes to try to cause chaos cause I know I'm fucked no matter what happens. If a buddy can hide in the votes it's fine and the way sicklucker avoided responsibility for his vote by not giving real reasons for it and then moaning about how bad the game is fucked after is all wrong. Geript also could have switched from vivax to sicklucker if he needed to, who says he wasn't watching the votes closely ready to switch at the last second? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:45 sicklucker wrote: Oh great now im doctors tunnel. Which means im never getting voted off Is everyone gonna pull this baby crap with me all game | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:46 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 03 2015 06:43 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript doesnt need to vote to save himself all he has to do is uhhh have a teammate vote for bats right? In what world is that a reach That's not very plausible to me. Why would the scumteam sacrifice another player if geript could just do the job himself without looking any scummier for it? If we lynch geript at some point the buddy who hammers bats looks awful. Yeah, sicklucker will look awful when we lynch geript. I'd do the same thing if I was geript. Switch votes to try to cause chaos cause I know I'm fucked no matter what happens. If a buddy can hide in the votes it's fine and the way sicklucker avoided responsibility for his vote by not giving real reasons for it and then moaning about how bad the game is fucked after is all wrong. Geript also could have switched from vivax to sicklucker if he needed to, who says he wasn't watching the votes closely ready to switch at the last second? do you mean bats? yeah . funny thing is i was in wendys drive thru when i switched votes on my flip phone which sucks for typing. i accidentally wrote vivax for my vote and almost sent it in. wouldn't have had enough time to change it on that slow thing. that would have been a fun shitstorm, thank goodness i caught it. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:46 sicklucker wrote: Why would I save a team mate who wont save himself? Ask yourself that doctor Good point. Everyone who voted for batsnacks is confirmed town, especially you | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:48 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 03 2015 06:43 justanothertownie wrote: On January 03 2015 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript doesnt need to vote to save himself all he has to do is uhhh have a teammate vote for bats right? In what world is that a reach That's not very plausible to me. Why would the scumteam sacrifice another player if geript could just do the job himself without looking any scummier for it? If we lynch geript at some point the buddy who hammers bats looks awful. Yeah, sicklucker will look awful when we lynch geript. I'd do the same thing if I was geript. Switch votes to try to cause chaos cause I know I'm fucked no matter what happens. If a buddy can hide in the votes it's fine and the way sicklucker avoided responsibility for his vote by not giving real reasons for it and then moaning about how bad the game is fucked after is all wrong. Geript also could have switched from vivax to sicklucker if he needed to, who says he wasn't watching the votes closely ready to switch at the last second? I guess you are right. Maybe. can we get away from wifom conspiracies and look at sickluckers terrible bouncing around his reads? why would he be all over geript for martyring and saying he's basically confirmed scum then say he's town for martyring and not saving himself? | ||
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You don't collect very much town cred off a geript red flip dude...all you did was cheerlead the people who were actually making an effort to get him lynched for the most part as far as I can tell. And you think geript is town anyway now right? For the same reasons you were ready to kill him earlier? | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:55 sicklucker wrote: Like me and gerit being mafia together makes no sense. I ask others to prove otherwise based on are first 24 hour interactions. Good point. Never in my life have I see mafia plan an interaction with each other, push each other, tunnel each other, bus each other. And because that never happens you are proven town. Even though you admit your read on geript is now a town read, I am gonna give you the town cred you deserve based on what would hypothetically happen if he flipped red. No need to tunnel you anymore, who would you like to lynch? | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: Well when geript flips mafia (hes going too) Everyone can sheep palmer and artanis to their hearts content. Ill also be pretty confirmed and a few others maybe too. On January 02 2015 10:20 sicklucker wrote: Gerit actually tried to play on new years and failed. Lynch him we can clear me and all sing kumbayas. Then start a new game tomorrow when I dont have a headach and no one has excuses. On January 02 2015 09:35 sicklucker wrote: Like no whoever switches from gert im going to think is mafia because in your world their together so it doesint matter dont switch your votes this is a great lynch/ On January 03 2015 05:29 sicklucker wrote: So like I wanna explain my vote switch since you guys ignored it. Its day one im never that confident in my day 1 reads. I openly admit I can never read batssnacks correctly and I think hes a potential mislynch which jat laughs at and says hes easy to read. Here was my town reads. Palmer Ksc artanis voted bats eden voted bats dandred voted bats doctor voted bats After jat first voted bats to try to get it going (which is kinda scummy) Four of my town reads immediately follow and no on eelse. Like how do I not vote there honestly? I would do it again maybe my reads are bad but at the time and I still kind of think I sheeped mostly towns. huh? and here you and palmar are to try to aggressively collect town cred from this somehow like geript just flipped red anyway. you're talking about how he's a townread for you now and still trying to get the town cred you think you would have gotten if he was mafia. so what do you think exactly? if geript is a townread, you don't get any town cred at all by your own logic | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:37 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:33 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:31 sicklucker wrote: On January 03 2015 06:29 KelsierSC wrote: On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote: Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other. wtf you townread eden,dam ,artanis and drH enough to vote on bats. i mean sure but from my pov its unlikely everyone was town in a mislynch. There also trying to all bury me. Im still leaning town but not strong on eden artanis doc. I just completely recend my dandred read. That was a weak early read he has not really backed it up. so me and palmar are no longer town now either? why did robick and marv become town aswell? Na your probably still town. But you do lose some points attacking an easy mislynch harder the anyone else. Palmer just completely fell off the world. I have no idea what he is anymore he spent the whole time blaming others and not helping find scum. Im also less sure on gerit because if that mislynch wa stown driven then most likely both horses are town. And my main reason to town read palmer was his drive to kill him. Earlier you also said the only logical conclusion you can come to is that he's town for not saving himself as well but it doesn't seem like you really believe that. You just said you'd want to move forward and lynch geript so why are we talking about who gets town cred and how nice edens list was. Tell me more about geript | ||
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On January 03 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote: Whattt? Im not trying to do that at all. I understand I hammered bats over gerit. I even say this 1 min before vote "let the record show I hammered bats" Thats not what a mafia would do. I was 100% the hammer but I garantee most people here wouldnt notice that and think someome like the 5th or 7th vote on him was. lol...why would you think that of all things. | ||
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On January 03 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:59 sicklucker wrote: Who made that list post on the people who wasted their votes? because that was really good. Was that ritoky or eden? That was me. Hidden behind double quotes for readability: Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote: Alright, here's some vote count analysis. First, the count, hidden behind double quotes for readability. Added green for batsnacks' flip. On January 02 2015 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote: I kount vot ritoky (1): TheChyz (3): DoctorHelvetica (0): geript (4): marvellosity (0): Lazermonkey (0): IAmRobik (0): sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (6): Justanothertownie, eden1892, doctorhelvetica, artanis[Xp], damdred, sicklucker Not Voting: folks Currently batsnacks is set to be lynched. until deadline. First thing I want to look at is outliers, because I think they tend to be easier to figure out. The three wagons at end of day were Chyz, geript and batsnacks, so all other voters are defined as outliers here. They are: Superbia ritoky Koshi geript Additionally the nonvoting RebirthOfLegend can go here. Superbia: Has all of two posts in the game, neither of any substance. Says ritoky claimed mafia with their big reads post without explaining why, votes ritoky and then bails for the rest of the day, not bothering to convince anyone to vote for ritoky. Ignores JAT asking for an explanation, no one else really seems to care either way. I don't like this. For all I can derive from Superbia's thought process from this vote, this might as well be a dice roll vote. There's nothing here for me to make any sense of. If Superbia is town and believes ritoky is mafia then why not try to convince anyone to kill ritoky? And if Superbia doesn't then why completely abandon the thread and not bother to try to figure out who is mafia? ritoky: After the vote (which came between his big reads list post and his next post itt), ritoky only brings up the case on sicklucker once... when sicklucker questions him on it. Spends most of the day being engaged in other discussions and feeling out other players for their direction, but doesn't push the case on sicklucker. And it's not even not pushing it because of a change of heart or anything, as far as I can see. The case is just dropped altogether without any mention, like it never existed. After talking to sicklucker there's only one passing reference to the suspicion at all (responding to GlowingBear and saying they were "on the same page" concerning, among others, sicklucker). This is really suspicious considering how aggressively ritoky pushed early in the game. Even allowing for a change in posting style due to time constraints resulting from ER work, you figure that if ritoky is still sure about the read on sicklucker that there'd be some effort to push it. And ritoky can't even claim to have had a change of heart, because sometime during ritoky's last burst of activity, (s)he posted an updated vote count including the vote for sicklucker. I feel like if I were a townie here and I had posted that vote count update after suspecting sicklucker, and I had internally changed my mind about sicklucker being mafia, posting that I was voting for sicklucker would be a wakeup call. Like "whoa, wait, I'm still on that guy? I need to move my vote." Koshi: Arrived at suspicion of Vivax about an hour before posting a vote, pressed Vivax on a few key questions during that hour, pushed the hell out of a Vivax lynch before going to bed at a time which 100% syncs up with his irl location. Sorry that was short but this looks clean as can be. Only reason Koshi was on an outlier was because of a lack of time to push the case once it formulated. Koshi is probably town. geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote: Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote: Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. TL;DR ritoky, Superbia mafia geript wtf Anyway, I don't think geript answered this (not hiding for readability): Show nested quote + On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote: geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote: Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote: Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. So can anyone else explain how this makes sense from... any POV? His explanation is obviously BS to me and I feel like he has to be mafia because I can't see why a townie would do that. I was reading the thread some at work and I think I'm on top of things, but it's possible I missed something. Did Superbia ever say anything that mattered? I saw ritoky did. I think I want to kill Superbia and/or geript today. 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On January 03 2015 07:16 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 07:08 sicklucker wrote: Like your focusing on shit things. If im town I cant figure out whats going on in gerits head. Hes definitely conceding tho. That could be as town or mafia. He later explain his vote and I kinda believe him? But at the time it looked like he was trying to kill himself. And like I dont think mafia does that ever when they can vote to kill a town. all your posts stink of wifom and you trying to clear yourself with poor logic. you argue that there is no way that you and geript can be scum because about 3 pages into d1 you made some jokey post that no one took seriously. Again one of the main things that is scummy is you are just obsessed with trying to clear people, mostly yourself and tell people how towny you are and all the towny things you have apparently done. He already dropped hints that he was really wanting to collect town cred from the geript lynch and now he's acting like he got it already even tho geript didnt flip and he backed down on his read. Why would you suspect someone for martyring and giving up and then feel like they're town for ..exactly that? stinky | ||
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On January 03 2015 07:46 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 07:41 Vivax wrote: ya im done, this game has been such a mispleasure to play. Thanks dr.H, great game played by you. Best town player by far. You caught the scum. Here are my current notes btw. Not sure if sarcasm when he tilted. I don't really get why he would, as mafia, ragequit right after trying to post a big case on Lazermonkey and right before posting all his claimed notes for the game, though. Like if he's mafia giving up and letting himself get lynched why would you bother to post a big list of things? misdirection last effort for sympathy so that you will say what you're saying rn. it doesn't mean anything. what makes it so impossible for scum to post a list | ||
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I have to go to work now, I won't be able to post really at all for the rest of the night. But I will be reading and lurking, might make short posts if I feel the need to. I don't like geript, sicklucker, vivax, thechyz, palmar, artanis, damdred the most. I'd say my confidence goes about in that order since I've done the least reading on artanis and damdred specifically. | ||
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On January 03 2015 08:57 KelsierSC wrote: you basicaa lly said everything bats had done in the game was scummy. but you hadn't noticed it before someone else decided to lynch him. isnt sicklucker just a worse example of this same problem | ||
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He said geript was confirmed scum for giving up and then that he was probably town for giving up and i guess he thinks geript is scum again but he isnt really talking about it | ||
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On January 03 2015 11:26 IAmRobik wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote: Name a few people who should be checked. This is an interesting question and one of the only reasons I'm not jumping on the "lets kill SL immediately" train Why | ||
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On January 04 2015 01:55 Vivax wrote: I'm not gonna rely to that trash heuristic after having picked apart enough things in JAT's filter that don't add up. And then throw it all away cause in your opinion scum doesn't organize lynches at late hours. Do you stand by the fact that he was "lying" about that guy having no reads or whatever? The only time I saw you back up this case with quotes you were obviously cherrypicking | ||
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Imagine scenario where geript and vivax are teammates. Viv keeps ript as his #2 or #3 scumread all game and if geript is the scum hitman...if they thought they could really seed a JAT mislynch this isn't too crazy cause obvs geript would live yet another day after a day 3 vivax lynch. And geript might not even look worst off that, maybe they turn on kelsier or someone. Besides that all i see from vivax is association bullshit and conspiracies - hes playing a little too cranky. A little too desperate. The obvious thing would be further expand your original arguments, revisit the quotes, pbp, but the places vivax chooses to go imply he just wants to survive. If i was him and i was town i would say so what if koshi died and get to work. Vivax is scum | ||
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On January 04 2015 06:24 Lazermonkey wrote: And you of course DH! Slight scumread, not really retaining anything but depending on what happens with vivax and geript the rest of the day i definitely wanna pop into his filter. I have limited time. The fact that scumlucker was desperately trying to suck up some town cred makes me think he isn't mafia if vivax is town. No eason to remain paranoid when theres a super strong mislynch in front of you but they could easily be teammates . | ||
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If lynching geript first would make everyone feel better about some wifom its not like im any less confident geript is scum | ||
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Scum feel the need to say hey wait a minute guys....we all know there is a lot of time left today. Many other things are being discussed. Who is in a huff about an afk lynch? The least active people in this thread are all people not voting for vivax lol | ||
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On January 04 2015 07:43 sicklucker wrote: You cant honestly believe. Hes just not putting in quality effort Ah good job recognizing obvious exaggeration. Town vivax would not tunnel jat in the way he did. Pathetic effort. Vivax kept referring back to one disproven quotemine he did and when people wanted more instead of saying sure like a ln interested scumhunter he whined about jats filter being too long. Youre telling me town vivax doesnt care enough to read his enemy #1s filter? All he was saying aside from that is that we allntrust jat too much. Garbage, if his conspiracy relies on geript being scum he would push geript and scold jat instead (his tilt would probs look more like palmars) It makes a lot of sense if he knows geript is scum due to them being teammates. He is soft on geript at first but orwtty much only says "ehhhh i dunno about it". Wishy washy. Very quick to assume geript is scum when it supports his jat conspiracy theory though. I dont know what hes done to impress anybody.. | ||
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sicklucker damdred - glowingbear Is my best guess atm. Sorted by confidence of read in tiers | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote: On January 04 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why do you think Robik's town though? His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely. Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway. Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size. The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit. Hmmm. It could be for exactly this argument, but you're right. If Geript is green that does help clear Robik a bit, but I wouldn't say he's confirmed town for it. I missed JAT in your town list though and he went above and beyond the call of duty by organizing a switch onto Bats. Do you also consider him cleared if Geript flips green? Ya pretty much. Geript can you step it up dawg? Lol what the fuck earlier you were begging forntown cred because u were first to push the obvious confirmed scum geript and also the one to hammer his mislynch. Then after you got grilled you said you still scumread geript so what the fuck is this? Seems you're actually more confident on day 1 after all | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:05 geript wrote: Also the vet mafia is either Palmer or DrH. I've been waffling on Marv. Still am in many regards. His D2 play is far more in line w/ his town play so I think I'm just going to ignore D1 due to NYE. Granted, I'll catch heat for thinking DrH is mafia or potentially so, but I think everyone's ignoring how he's acting and thinking. There's agenda behind each post he makes. He's either trying to make it unfun for other people (a tactic he approves of as mafia), he's trying to line up lynches multiple lynches down the road, he tries to bury any sort of productive discussion. As town he's tunnely and generally a pretentious asshole, but he also stops to think at points. He really hasn't considered anyone's reads or points critically. He's one of the most logical players (read LID and his push on Prome as an example) but he's in no way done my that this game. Assume the mafia has a vet and it couldnt be rol/ve. Vivax been around a while right? So have you. Are you actually gonna push a single target or maybe vote for vivax? Or do you wanna wait and see if theres any other bandwagons you can hide in/start | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I could list plenty of people I'm unsure of. If you want my town reads its you, marv, artanis. Sicklucker forgot about geript again now that the heat is on his other teammate IM THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID I WANT TO VOTE HIM OVER VIVAX????? I know your town but can you please stop being a donkey It doesnt matter if you say that...youre doing nothing about itm geript is here so fucking go scream at him then | ||
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On January 04 2015 08:10 KelsierSC wrote: well that just isn't true , read this day so far May i rephrase - putting effort into all the wrong places and showing scum mentality | ||
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Wtffff what does that matter if your scumread on him is real. Gee. You think maybe a scum with 6 votes on him.might consider trying something. | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote: I believe sls claim over ksc anyway it makes more sense to me. Its hard to not get distracted by it, this feels like a ploy mafia would use to draw out real cop a bit like mafia claiming medic right before lynch mafia don't need to one for one . stupid idea | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:13 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What is your goal for day 2 geript? You wanna lynch marv? You wanna lynch vivax? I would shoot you this instant if i had a choice. My goal is to lynch scum. What's yours? That was never your goal in this game. That is obvious to anyone except your team mates | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:13 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What is your goal for day 2 geript? You wanna lynch marv? You wanna lynch vivax? I would shoot you this instant if i had a choice. My goal is to lynch scum. What's yours? Tell me who is scum then. You're avoiding doing anything about your vivax read if i can even call it that. What about marv? Too scared to push it? | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:15 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript has had basically two reads this entire game and done nothing about either. Didnt push marv to save himself, claims vivax seems like a good case but admits he never did his own reading on it. Geript is scum. If anyone had a townread on him tell me why right now yawn. Troll, tunnel, troll, tunnel, troll, tunnel, tunnel, troll, tunnel, troll, troll, tunnel, bully, troll, tunnel... Let's be honestly here people. Has DrH done anything that's actually useful or towny other than have a 27 billion page filter? Why are you dodging the questions. You would give me the benefit of the doubt if you were serious. You think I'm scum? You dont have the balls to pressure anybody do you | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:17 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How long until you decide to vote or actually pressure a read? You can't wait forever for a mislynch, might as well bus vivax right now. You might convince an idiot that it would somehow make you look better you are so mean to people I didn't call geript an idiot per se, I am pretty sure he is scum though. I'm not the only diva in this game, let's talk about something that gets us somewhere like why geript refuses to push or out effort into his reads. He said vivax seems good because idk he skimmed what others were saying about him and assumes its good without reading his filter? Says marv is 100% scum and backs down instantly. All ive seen besides that is speculating about flips, night actions and dodging the questions that matter. I can be nicer if thats what i need to do but at this point anytime i make an accusation im just a troll and a tunneler. Garbage | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:21 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How long until you decide to vote or actually pressure a read? You can't wait forever for a mislynch, might as well bus vivax right now. You might convince an idiot that it would somehow make you look better Oh, so I should bus Vivax hmmm. Funny how you're able to know that Vivax is mafia and I don't. That makes one of us scum. Now who wouldn't know if someone is scum or not. If you were town you wouldn't be surprised by my brashness in the least. You know how I can be, stop dodging the questions. What do you really think of marv and vivax? Who would you lynch right now? | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:22 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 04 2015 12:17 KelsierSC wrote: On January 04 2015 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How long until you decide to vote or actually pressure a read? You can't wait forever for a mislynch, might as well bus vivax right now. You might convince an idiot that it would somehow make you look better you are so mean to people I didn't call geript an idiot per se, I am pretty sure he is scum though. I'm not the only diva in this game, let's talk about something that gets us somewhere like why geript refuses to push or out effort into his reads. He said vivax seems good because idk he skimmed what others were saying about him and assumes its good without reading his filter? Says marv is 100% scum and backs down instantly. All ive seen besides that is speculating about flips, night actions and dodging the questions that matter. I can be nicer if thats what i need to do but at this point anytime i make an accusation im just a troll and a tunneler. Garbage Yeh he is scummy I agree. just let him give his reads. I want to know what he thinks about the SL claim. He has had plenty of time - he doesnt actually have any reads. He spent more time talking palmar/marv setup wifom than what he actually thinks about what is happening in the game right now. He mentions his reads when it suits him but i dont see any evidence that says he actually cares about the lynches | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:22 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 04 2015 12:15 geript wrote: On January 04 2015 12:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript has had basically two reads this entire game and done nothing about either. Didnt push marv to save himself, claims vivax seems like a good case but admits he never did his own reading on it. Geript is scum. If anyone had a townread on him tell me why right now yawn. Troll, tunnel, troll, tunnel, troll, tunnel, tunnel, troll, tunnel, troll, troll, tunnel, bully, troll, tunnel... Let's be honestly here people. Has DrH done anything that's actually useful or towny other than have a 27 billion page filter? Why are you dodging the questions. You would give me the benefit of the doubt if you were serious. You think I'm scum? You dont have the balls to pressure anybody do you Why do you ask dumb questions that go no where and look worse than a noob? I'd bet that all of your tunnels and reads are wrong; the irony is that I'd still only give you a 50/50 chance on being scum based on that fact alone. Why havent you paid more attention to marv and vivax. Whats going on this game that is more important than pushing the lynches you think are good? How is that a dumb noob question? Do you really think you can tilt me | ||
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On January 04 2015 12:25 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2015 12:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 04 2015 12:21 geript wrote: On January 04 2015 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How long until you decide to vote or actually pressure a read? You can't wait forever for a mislynch, might as well bus vivax right now. You might convince an idiot that it would somehow make you look better Oh, so I should bus Vivax hmmm. Funny how you're able to know that Vivax is mafia and I don't. That makes one of us scum. Now who wouldn't know if someone is scum or not. If you were town you wouldn't be surprised by my brashness in the least. You know how I can be, stop dodging the questions. What do you really think of marv and vivax? Who would you lynch right now? As for Vivax, the points against him are pretty good. I've said so multiple times. Perhaps you could have read that in my filter which you should have read at some point if you actually thought I was sooper skum. Otherwise, I haven't read him fully because I'm having way more fun doing other shit and I'm busy listening to the foozball game. Marv I think is town. Perhaps if you had read the thread you'd actually know this. But surprise surprise, you're not actually reading or thinking about anything and yet want to make me look super scummy for not doing so. You good with a vivax lynch? Go vote then. Ask him something. Pressure him. All youve said is other people make good points. Like what? Whats the strongest point against vivax in your opinion? | ||
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Vivax, has your read on JAT changed at all since night 1? | ||
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On January 05 2015 05:58 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 05:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax was jobbed. I would like to lynch geript today and justanothertownie tomorrow. That's quite the turnaround. Mind elaborating? Aa far as I see it you lied to Vivax a few pages ago. Was that cleared up? The thing about saying geript is town but that doesnt mean you oppose the lynch | ||
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You would agree with that JAT? | ||
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On January 05 2015 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 05:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vivax was jobbed. I would like to lynch geript today and justanothertownie tomorrow. ![]() I got tricked by Vivax for a minute | ||
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On January 05 2015 07:22 IAmRobik wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Killer evidence there Robik. Just wanted to say I find a scenario where geript is town and vivax is scum highly implausible. Vivax is my #1 townread right now, the things he's noticing are now the right things. I'll worry about JAT later but geript has gotta go. what type of crack have you started smoking since d1? I ate a lot of hot pockets and I can barely see straight. | ||
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On January 05 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote: Can we please lynch super, I have a real feeling this is scrum. Please trust my gut this isn't town Super, totally different tone and posting. I don't really think anyone is townreading superbia, but shennanies aren't necessary. A lot of this game is centered around geripts alignment | ||
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On January 05 2015 08:53 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 08:44 sicklucker wrote: Anyone else notice how super just scum reads people who scum him but never really contributed. Shannanies? Of course I'm reading some people who are pushing on me as scum. It's absolutely great for scum to get a misslynch off on me in this situation. You can't see why your activity level looks bad though? | ||
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if I said vivax was skimming as he was getting caught up then it makes sense to me. the whole page thing is a big reach to me | ||
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On January 05 2015 11:59 geript wrote: Plus, multiple times he tries to commit to other scumreads based on me flipping mafia AND he has no opinion on me AND then he finds me town. I'd have to check back, but I don't think his mafia reads based on me flipping mafia even change after that. It's like A therefore B A isn't necessarily true B still true yeah, check back and show the quotes. that's all | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:01 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he was saying Chyzs tilt came really early, phrasing.it as a question means nothing. its no different than saying "I wonder why x player did scummy thing" just to voice suspicion. I don't understand at all,.help me understand BUT HE COMMENTS ON YOUR VARIOUS ARGUMENTS WITH HIM THROUGHOUT!!!! It's not like he skimmed the argument and missed a bunch of shit. ok, everyone understands literally wby he claimed to quit what threw vivax off seemingly and myself as well is that he wasn't even really being Wagoned. it was a weird spot to throw in the towel as town and it felt like a scum tilt to me then too. you read me as scum too correct? | ||
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On January 05 2015 12:08 geript wrote: Like I'm literally done with this shit. This is acomplete fucking waste of my time. I'd rather play league. Nobody else is actually bothering to read, check back or do anything else. So why the fuck should I care. It's not like this town doesn't have it's head stuck firmly up it's ass anyways. well, that didn't take long. I'm reading right now. I read koshis argument. if you don't care, save town the trouble and get modkilled | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:00 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 14:59 justanothertownie wrote: And yeah, a decision about chyz would be dope. well hes modkilled or replaces so that would be a waste of time I'm against a replacement, this game is too big for that but another dead town would be devastating. how many mislynches could we afford at that point I'm too lazy to do math rn | ||
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On January 05 2015 15:04 Damdred wrote: SL hardcalimed cop says he green checked me no one.should consider lynching either of you then without a cc which means if there real cop is out there you need to cc asap on day 3 | ||
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