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While we're on the topic of gloating though, I legitimately didn't think I could play scum this well. Like if TownArtanis was in this game he'd read this scumArtanis as town. At least until the terrible Palmar push.
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Actually I think GB should've been lynched first when we isolate that one thing. Marv pointed it out nicely late in the game.
On January 17 2015 02:17 marvellosity wrote:
By the way
Look at the timing of GB's hardpush on Palmar
1.he vaguely threatens that he's going to vote Palmar unless he votes Damdred (lol!!!)
2.he indeed does so
3.marv says "do not lynch Palmar, lynch LM!"
4.Palmar goes to bed
5.LM is a distinct possibility
6.NOW, FUCKING NOW, GB hardpushes Palmar. Not before.
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Vivax you were never winning this one at lylo. You would've had to convince both sl and kelsier to switch and they had scumreads on you and townreads on basically everyone voting lm. You had too many strange theories this game to convince everyone. Also, you seemed to forget everything that happened prior that made someone town, like SL having two mafia push him when he fakes means he's town roughly 101 out of 100 times. You're also very susceptible to tunneling. Being paranoid is good but don't forget the reasons that you had for townreading people either.
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On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
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I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players.
I understand that, but when I saw the supposed shadow posting in the thread all I thought was "oh, I guess I should link my shadows to the qt too." and didn't give it a single further thought because it wasn't my shadow.
I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense.
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On January 17 2015 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:21 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 21:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
one thing before bed:
justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
01-16-2015
07:06 PM ET (US)
I will second that. What are they thinking? And why are Artanis and marv accepting this?
because HTS seemed to be a newbie shadow and had no effect on anything, so why would it matter to us in any way? It didn't look that way when DP presented it in the obs qt. I think it should have been weird to you especially since artanis had shadows of his own who did not post in there (?) but I guess I take back the quoted statement. This is still completely unacceptable for the hosts to do. Even if she did not affectthe game at all which noone will ever be able to know things like this still ruin the game. only if you let them? like there's no reason it should ruin the game for anyone or anything. like, probably HTS shouldn't have just appeared, but the fact I gave it literally zero real thought showed the extent to which it affected anything. A newbie shadow in the QT had far less effect on the game than the constant replacements that mafia had to deal with, for example... the DrH/DP swap in particular was just insanely townfavoured It does not matter at all how experienced she is. Putting fresh thoughts in the qt/blue hunting can still help you. Maybe you wouldn't even consciously notice it. I don't deny that the replacements (the DP one above all) were unfair to scum but this is game ruining nonetheless. I signed up to a setup with 5 scum players. I feel like the replacements effected the game a lot more than she did, even though I understand it should've never happened in the first place and understand the protests in that sense. That might be true. But those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and making more mistakes that favor different factions does not make it acceptable.
I agree, that's not what I mean. It's just that you said it shouldn't be in the database and all that when I feel on a game-impact scale it had a minor if not zero effect.
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The worst part about all of this is that since Vivax has so many conspiracy theories, about 10% will be correct and because of those he's going to keep doing it 
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On January 17 2015 21:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
It was completely obvious that marv and damdred were mafia together when marv completely ignored my meta on him but attacked my meta on KSC (which was extremely weak, I should have not posted it once I realised it was weak while doing it). I should have noticed it.
Again, this is a great game for learning. There are some points in Artanis play that makes him scum but was overlooked (the fluff posts in example) and some meta points.
But saying that town was a complete shit and that is why scum won is a demerit to scum. They have played incredibly well.
I think that the most important lesson in this game is that Overall Gameplay is much more important than vote counts and everything It's less the fluff posts and more the switch off super day2 and the ridiculous push for obvious town Palmar day5. There is no way town Artanis does not see that Palmar is clearly town that day. Worst lynch in a long time.
Yeah, this. I make those fluff posts as town all the time too because that's what gets me the enjoyment out of the game. The switch off Super was justified meekly with him not being able to get lynched anyway and favouring a Geript over Vivax lynch, but of course the real reason was that I'd prefer to lynch town over scum.
I don't think I would've gone for the Palmar lynch were it not for GB being completely convinced on him and town having given me so much credit, as well as knowing that the lineup that would be left after Palmar gets lynched is quite managable.
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On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred.
I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar.
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On January 17 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred. I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar. Maybe I learned the least about you. But there are most definitely things that I picked up about the other 3.
I'd actually like to hear what you learned about me, and it's not to gloat as I'm actually curious to the difference in order to get a better view of my game in general. I think I might also have been a little more detached from the game, not too rushed with finding things out left and right and a few joking posts at times when town would be frustrated and trying to figure out the game hard.
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On January 17 2015 22:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 22:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 17 2015 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:
That's the only positive thing about this game. I think I learned a few things about the scumplay of super, marv, artanis and damdred. I honestly wouldn't be able to discern a motivated scumgame of mine from a towngame other than the pushing of a mafia agenda I did this game, and that was only because of how strong the townreads on me were that allowed me this luxury. Had people nullread me or if they were suspicious of me, I would probably have never pushed Palmar. Maybe I learned the least about you. But there are most definitely things that I picked up about the other 3. I'd actually like to hear what you learned about me, and it's not to gloat as I'm actually curious to the difference in order to get a better view of my game in general. I think I might also have been a little more detached from the game, not too rushed with finding things out left and right and a few joking posts at times when town would be frustrated and trying to figure out the game hard. If you think that I will share my findings before I am able to use them at least once then you are crazy ^_-
Daaaaaamn youuuuuuuu
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Oh damn jat you're right. I didn't process it was a shadow saying that, but yeah that's obviously unacceptable and it could've been game altering depending on if we would've seen it and what slam would've said if we submitted a doublestack.
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Yeah it didn't have any impact since we decided not to shoot you at all simply because VE claimed but it is definitely unacceptable.
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I feel the same way as dammy. If I played again now and rolled scum I'd make 5 posts per day and let the lynch wash over me like a wave of salvation.
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On January 17 2015 23:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Then you should probably wait a while before you join a mafia game again. Just sayin.
Ergo my intention to not play again for a bit.
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For how active it feels I've been 42 pages actually feels like surprisingly little.
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On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia.
I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment.
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On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way.
I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv.
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On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv 
What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum.
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On January 18 2015 00:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:28 Palmar wrote:On January 18 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 18 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 18 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:On January 18 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 17 2015 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On January 17 2015 23:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I wonder how many pages a townmarv would have gotten this game. hopefully not more, hopefully less. I am actually pretty serious about trying to tone down my posting as town, so I don't have to go through this kind of game again as mafia. I was bound to be in enough trouble this game without trying to at least vomit filter length too :/ It seems like you are really aiming for that mislynch. maybe. i think i can look very town without posting a lot when i am town though. i can't as mafia. I think your push on Lazer at the end actually looked a lot like Townmarv. If you could copy that as scum before you're in mortal danger it'd actually be quite hard to discern your alignment. You are telling me townmarv who is left alive by scum for some unknown reason constantly tunnels on the same lynchbaity player for the last days? No fucking way. I'm not talking about the overall picture, he was obviously mafia for it. I just mean that the way he pushed his target there resembled townmarv. It actually looked nothing like townmarv What do you feel was different about it? It was a very concise point on why LM was scum. Because by day 5 townmarv has actual reads to base things on.
He had been going after LM for a while. It was a continuation of that case, but much more concise and to the point than he had been before. I'm talking about the posts in a vacuum rather than considering it was D6 and all.
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On January 18 2015 00:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi made a great point in QT actually how i managed to paint myself into a corner by townreading everyone i should be townreading, leaving me with 3 scum by PoE who i kinda hadn't pushed at all.
Yeah, I think your biggest flaw (other than not pushing your suspects as strongly) as scum is clearing people too quickly, but I guess you kind of have to since that's what you do as town.
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