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On November 20 2014 16:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Post 100 in this quicktopic proves that Hopeless CAN NOT think I'm mafia here for thinking he's mafia because he's seen me play this game THIS WAY RECENTLY. It's true that the circumstances are a little different, I had replaced into that game and there was a lot of stuff to draw from in the thread - the salient point though is that I found a mafia for what may SEEM to be shaky reasoning IMMEDIATELY and pushed on it hard against one of the louder voices in the thread. IMMEDIATELY. He knows this is how I play as town, and now he would have you believe that he thinks I'm mafia. Don't believe his lies. Um no because if he is town and you are doing this then it doesn't count as "I've never seen him play so well" because you would be attacking him as town. | ||
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On November 20 2014 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I will literally vote no one else today. And if he DOESN'T get lynched, then I'm fucking killing him in the night unless I'm roleblocked. Get fucking rekt. Only mafia would shoot me in the night. This is the second super jump on whatever you can and think you're obnoxiously right that you've done in 2 hours though which is pretty scummy | ||
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1) Talking about crazy generalised mafia meta that doesn't really apply on it's own in any game ever but then treating it like it's super justified and correct And 2) calling me mafia for saying your read is bad and doesn't make him mafia and then saying i die no matter what because I'm definitely mafia THESE are mafia traits, talking in absolutes that shouldn't ever be an absolute 2 hours into a game. | ||
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On November 20 2014 16:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's right, HF is weird. And he's mafia and he's going to fucking die. I would be more concerned if he used a positive vague word like "snappy" or "happenin". Is this another "gotcha" moment or something? Keep digging ve | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wwhy the fuck would being absolute be scummy? i must be mafia in every game then.... are you dense or some shit? read the thread | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:30 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is that you know it's not scummy for me to do it, but you're telling town that it is. You're misleading town, in a destructive way. It's still scummy. There's nothing that you can tell me that will change my mind. I look at what you are doing and think oh hey that's terrible play and isn't doing anything but making the thread worse (in regards to me) and therefore think it is scummy. Your stuff on hopeless may be some tactic of appearing more sure than you are for pressure fine but it's misplaced in things that aren't scummy and you were actively trying to PILE things onto him which don't make any sense whatsoever (the qt thing etc) so I called you out on it. So really, all you're saying is that you lied about how sure of a read you are (in a towny way to you but a scummy way to the thread because it was a lie) and got called out on your inconsistency so I'm mafia. OK. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:36 The_Templar wrote: HF, do you think I am scummy? why does it matter? | ||
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You're also calling out VE for fabricating things but rayn is defending VE's mindset so that read is not congruent with what you've been saying. You also seem extremely flippant in regards to the VE/hopeless interaction earlier. You're just not ritokyish. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:55 ritoky wrote: you've only insulted 1 person so far, that's muted for you. the day is young | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read. And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM! Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/ Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts. There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation. | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:07 liancourt wrote: LOL what is there to read stop trying to over analyze everything LOL analyze me LOL You know it's possible to catch mafia day 1 because of analysing, you've been in several games where mafia has been lynched day 1 because of actual analysis. So why are you telling people to stop analysing when it only helps to find mafia? You are being very very strange. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:51 ritoky wrote: I am meish because I am me. rayn said you're weird. it's true, you're weird. why? cuz you're not angry at all. a couple posts ago you seemed slightly agitated. but the super town HF calls people bad and idiots and tells everyone to sheep him and claims god tier. you're muted, so you're weird. but that said, rayn's subsequent post responding to my criticism and detailing who is town is the stuff i can put in my coffee in the morning. as for me being me, i find like find odd and disjointed interactions day 1 and finding scum that way, you saw me behind the scenes last game. hence why i don't like hopeless. that read should not surprise you in the slightest. rayn said I was weird after 1 post so this doesn't make sense in the slightest On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town. Slam is town. We can kill Templar because of that mafia post. ritoky i am the king of vague statements. this was also his only response to your criticism and details absolutely nothing so it's weird that the person who has said almost nothing whatsoever is your town read, especially when you pick and choose some of his posts to fit into a later timeline | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion. But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right? My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that? he's made posts like that in games before!? I don't know what you're even arguing about anymore because it's seemingly just crazy semantics where you want to prove that your opinion is the best opinion he's made posts like that before as town other townies have made posts like that before as town you say only scum make posts like that to blend in he reacts poorly you start to pile things onto him which also don't make him scummy i say your first part is wrong and your qt crap is wrong and it's scummy that you're so absolute about this read but his reaction is pretty scummy all I've done is negate the extreme pressure you are putting on him and your misleading of the thread by correcting you and showing the thread the only points that could possibly make him mafia My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. I disagree with the whole premise. The logic is not sound as I have explained that townies and hopeless as a towny have made posts like that before. It's silly that you try and turn it into the EXACT wording he uses and says it makes him different when it doesn't at all. | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:39 liancourt wrote: put ur money where u mouth is i quivering in my boots All you are doing is making the thread a worse place by antagonising people intentionally. Please stop or just claim mafia. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No u. I know exactly what ve has said and there is nothing scummy in it. So either you are twisting the facts which makes you mafia, or maybe you should read the thread... Or maybe you just went insane. Idk yet. But we should still kill templar. I'll explain when i get off work and then you can all sheep me and i can be confirmed town. On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE is town. Slam is town. We can kill Templar because of that mafia post. ritoky i am the king of vague statements. If I am saying that VE's logic doesn't actually make someone mafia etc etc and he's saying it does and I'm mafia for not seeing that and here you are defending ve's logic saying there's nothing scummy with it (thereby nothing wrong with it at all) how come you aren't scum reading hopeless at all!? either you: 1) Agree with ve and then you would be scum reading hopeless (you already said you don't think what ve did was scummy) or 2) you disagree with ve saying that hopeless is scummy and therefore agree with ME if the answer is number 2 then your post means nothing and is actually discrediting me for no reason because you aren't reading the thread, if your answer is number 1 then there's something wrong with your mindset because you don't scum read hopeless in your read post and you are probably mafia | ||
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On November 21 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are claiming scum? Why is my case bad? You called it bad now tell me why is it bad. .... I have no idea how you can even reach conclusions sometimes I think you just add the words "you are claiming scum" and "you are town" to your posts sometimes just to mess with people where is your case?? | ||
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On November 21 2014 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is not the point Holyflare. My point is you called out VE's logic before you gave Hopeless a chance to defend himself (or overreact/scumtell whatever if he is mafia) against VE. At the time you at least must assume there is a chance that VE is town and Hopeless is mafia. Unless you had a really strong townread on Hopeless (which you didn't) you do not shut down cases on him, regardless of how good/bad the case is. It is just retarded (just like answering to questions asked from other people -- you know what i am talking about) and i don't really get why did you do that in the first place because i KNOW you think what i just said is a fact. That's why i called you weird. Now you seem to be having a scumread on Hopeless. Cool. Now why the hell are you fixated in VE??? You called his actions scummy but you do not think it makes him mafia. Fuck, let it go then if it does not make him mafia. What's the point???? You know VE, he "doesn't negotiate with terrorists" and i can't understand what are you possibly trying to achieve treating like you do -- from town perspective. It just doesn't make sense because he'll shut down towards you and you will at each other and if you are both town then fuck this game because it's gonna be ruined. That's my 2c on you, and if possible i'd like you to explain your actions i was talking about. Give me the town motivation because i do not see it. Also yes, i think Hopeless is quite possibly scum for his latest posts. When he got back to the thread i got the same impression you posted. I don't/didn't think VE had a good case. In fact i kinda liked how Hopeless answered the case. Oh yeah that's the third thing. Why was Hopeless' response to the case bad (that's why you think he is scum, right)? This is most assuredly NOT what happened and means you have read nothing of the interaction. VE's scum read on me is that i said his logic was bad WHILE saying hopeless' reaction was scummy. I can call out more than one person even if they are calling out each other because a) bussing is a major thing that's happening each game and b) my read on hopeless was weak and ve's push looked scummy | ||
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On November 21 2014 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure you understand what i was talking about in the part you colored red. I was talking about the fact that VE made a case on Hopeless. You called the case bad before Hopeless answered it. right? Which is why I'm saying it's wrong because ve made a case, hopeless responded and then I said his case was bad but hopeless' reaction was scummy | ||
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On November 21 2014 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter. VE accused you of being mafia and Holyflare didn't let you answer. Holyflare speaks loudly for "do not answer questions directed to other people" which is basically the same thing this is. I don't give a fuck how bad VE's argument was or how easy it would be for you to answer him as town/mafia. I give a fuck about the fact that Holyflare made it impossible for you to fuck up in case you are scum. That's why it's not townie. This isn't how it happened This isn't how it happened This isn't how it happened This isn't how it happened | ||
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On November 21 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE posted the QT thingy. Your post is the following! It is how it happened. The qt thing was scummy because it was wrong so hopeless' response is irrelevant and was bolstering on top of ve's already wrong exaggerated accusations. I don't care about a players response when someone is pushing a scummy agenda to get that response. | ||
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On November 21 2014 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOUR POST IS THE NEXT ONE IN THE THREAD YOU CAN'T SAY THIS IS NOT HOW IT HAPPENED!!! You made it seem like you were referring to ve's original case which hopeless responded to. That's because you ordered your post badly and never referred to the qt thing at all. | ||
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Not particularly anymore because he stuck to his terrible case and plan and still believed it to be working and true which IS pretty typical ve. The rest of the argument was just me trying to clear the air in the off chance ve is a retarded vigi who shoots me. | ||
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On November 21 2014 03:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Its like rayn and HF swapped places from FFL2 So you're saying you think I'm mafia now...? | ||
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On November 21 2014 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote: I dont feel like monologuing. Rayn's read on templar looks bad but doesnt make rayn scum. VE looks bad in general. damdred is afk. Liancourt is almost trying to get lynched. You look town so far. rito is slightly townie. templar townie, slam townie. So what's changed? | ||
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On November 21 2014 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck. ? | ||
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On November 21 2014 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: but i thought you said it was all wrong and bad and shit and.... even scummy? sooo.... why is the dude "being accused falsely" (if we assume Hopeless is town) reacting like he did mafia here? That's what i would do if someone threw shit on me. What are you saying? Mafia love to overreact to pressure even if the pressure is terrible. Timeline: Ve makes terrible accusation Hopeless does scummy response Ve acts way too confident about his read Ve piles on more irrelevant stuff that actually was incredobly false about the qt I wake up and say that ve's throwing extra stuff on hopeless is scummy when the only thing hopeless has done that was scummy was actually overreact (which means hopeless COULD be town because it's 1 small point) and COULD mean ve is mafia for piling on extra nonsense | ||
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"hopeless overreacted to bad pressure" "hopeless returned with no information on any of the thread and asked people crap questions" | ||
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On November 21 2014 05:32 sicklucker wrote: Random ok heres who I like. Rayn- Like his reads doing his usual aggressive townshit the fact he was the first one to call ve town I liked verymuch FF- He accepted peace after a rocky game thats very towny to me ve- Insanely confident I have a hard time believing he goes that hard on nothing if hes mafia. ritoky - My top town I think Hes trying to keep the peace and get that horribly overreacted fight done with. I dont think a mafia ever has the balls or the motive to keep the peace when we have people threatening to veggie shoot people two hours into the gamee. Who I dont like Lian- Pretty self explanatory+ I already said why templar - Said a few posts back Holyflare - Over defensive not willing to commit to a scum read Rest are null pretty sure 2 of your scum reads are wrong | ||
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7. VisceraEyes 6. raynpelikoneet 14. Alakaslam 8. Fecalfeast 4. liancourt Could be towny 13. ritoky (maybe up a tier) 11. Chezinu (undecided whether up or down so middle but townyISH) meh 2. The_Templar 3. KillerSOS 5. Hopeless1der 9. sicklucker 10. GlowingBear 12. Damdred 4 mafia is quite large | ||
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On November 21 2014 05:52 sicklucker wrote: How is that relevant. You know I dont know im going by a 1 game sample size your playing similar. but what if he plays that way as mafia too!?!??! | ||
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On November 21 2014 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: heh.. you don't have a single scumread? ![]() "how can you miss an obvious scum in templar?" that would be a quite exact quote from FFL2. ![]() the meh is implied not town | ||
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On November 21 2014 05:57 Damdred wrote: I am so dissapoint in you hf. Honestly just going by meta on rayn its really hard to say for me. He's generally aggressive as mafia also besides fantasy 2, so its kinda null for him in my experience you have to look at the content he's posted and see how it works in the threads and how he's pushing etc. why is that? | ||
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chezinu could easily be mafia with hopeless in that scenario with a useless vote at the start, saying nothing and falling back to his rule there's so many scenarios that it's STRANGE for you to pick the town one and say you won't lynch him today because of it | ||
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that ve post was absolutely terrrrrrible | ||
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gb doesn't say his post is something totally different he calls it what it is | ||
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On November 21 2014 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dude the shit GB quotes from VE: VE's train of thought can easily be seen from the post. JUST READ IT!!!! Now do not even think about if what VE says makes sense or not because it's irrelevant. See what GB says. GB says VE's post is something totally different than it really is!! Fuck, that's what he says!! He really does that. Fourth time's the charm. HE REALLY DOES THAT! the red explains how you want us to disregard anything scummy ve says just because (in the green) you say he has a thought process | ||
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On November 21 2014 10:17 Damdred wrote: Hf could you give me your opinion on SL and rayn? Well rayn is a town read purely because he isn't being retarded and tunneling on stupid crap. He's asking questions about things that seem pretty intuitive and has town reads on most of the people that I do. Although he's dismissing good points and arguing about things that don't really matter like poker and some ve qt thing he has kind of follow ups to it whereby he gets to the bottom of the situation and moves on rather than trying to exploit the situation for some kind of mafia benefit. SL is meh and quite probably mafia. His entry list post talking about his reads here: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2014 19:22 sicklucker wrote: ![]() So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up. VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says. I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now. liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him. was very very wishy washy and is actually probably indicative of him being mafia. Disregarding the VE thing, his templar post was contentless and wasn't actually a read it was a this guy is nothing to me but i'll wait for another player to point things out before I comment on him and his liancourt read which is perhaps the most wishy washy of all and extremely likely makes him mafia is that he calls liancourt, someone who is quite blatantly looking scummy on purpose (whether he is mafia or not) and calls him very scummy but then gives reasons for him also being town and hesitant on that read (which caaaan be towny when phrased properly) but this was in such a way that it made it look like he was scum reading him while not. He also gives free town reads like a man in a van gives candy to children. His ritoky town read is very definitive, like his VE read earlier. Then, after rayn had made his post on templars post sicklucker made this which was made to look like it was his own original thought: On November 21 2014 04:50 sicklucker wrote: Ok im on bored the templar scum train. Not rushing through the thread this time. Saying your bad in the second line of your first post and you didnt read it properly. I dont expect this from a 30k post guy. I expect him to have played a few games before can anyone tell me the meta here?. He never commits to his reads which is what id expect mafia to do. Also gives a end of post excuse to ignore the game and not read it in "the right direction" but afaik was very late in joining the bandwagon as the case had been made for a long time and if he was really thinking critically about something he had told us he was waiting for then I think this would be a lot earlier and either just an agreement with rayn or a disagreement and moving on but this seems like an overexplanation to vote someone which he could have made himself just by reading the post a long long time ago | ||
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On November 21 2014 10:56 VisceraEyes wrote: But don't you think lian is town? Why would you lynch lian if you think he's town? Weren't you his scumbuddy in the last game? I don't care about lynching someone who is town but actively playing against the spirit of the game and I don't see how me being his scum buddy last game is relevant. | ||
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On November 21 2014 06:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn all I was saying is that I think Chez is town, and that the only scenario that makes sense to me if Chez is mafia is if Hopeless is mafia with him and he moved his vote off his scumbuddy. But the kink in that thinking is why does Chez draw attention to Hopeless in the first place if they're both mafia, so that doesn't really make sense either. It's just an expanded townread of Chezinu basically. Also, this read is weird because the last time you posted anything about hopeless iirc he WAS your scum read. So the world where they could be scum together should be very real, especially as chez is MOVING his vote onto sicklucker away from the person you think is mafia which COULD indicate that they are mafia together. Why do you have huge leaps of knowledge that just seem really farfetched?? | ||
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On November 21 2014 23:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Why is this read weird? I've given specific reasoning for thinking Chezinu is town, and I've given specific reasoning for thinking he's not mafia. I don't care how real the world where Chez and Hopeless are both maf COULD be because based on Chez voting him in the FIRST place (like I said) I find it really unlikely that they're partners. Maybe I'm wrong and bad, but that's my opinion based on what's in the thread. What's weird about that Holyflare? Go on, explain it. because that's the worst reason for not pairing someone together ever???? that they voted the other 5 minutes into the game in a 48 hour cycle and then unvoted them you aren't that terrible at the game | ||
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either way i'm allowed to question who i want | ||
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On November 22 2014 00:34 Damdred wrote: Well do you think ritoky is scum (since your vote is there) not at the moment | ||
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On November 22 2014 06:29 GlowingBear wrote: By the way VEE do you think holy flare is still scum our town? if you think he is down what changed? i can't see someone who is reading the thread even making this comment | ||
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On November 22 2014 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi Slam. Welcome to the game. I think HF is scum, don't listen to what he says about things. He's trying to deceive you. seriously just gtfo i'm tired of you actually being a useless person this game, you've pushed on me for absolutely NOTHING 3 hours into the game and haven't dropped it since then because you used the shittest logic I have actually seen in a game of mafia in a long time what's worse is that you've surpassed yourself in terms of shit logic MULTIPLE times this game, I don't even know how that's even possible when you aren't a terrible player but you sure as shit managed it today if you have absolutely nothing to contribute apart from some twisted backwards logic about chezinu being town that doesn't actually make any sense to anyone in this game and even rayn said it was an awful post and he's town reading you then maybe you should just stop posting | ||
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On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote: Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. The only thing giving me hesitance is him calling out sicklucker about town reading ve but then not knowing what ve said. I think that's quite a good point but doesn't actually stop them being mafia together. hopeless never continued this pressure either | ||
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On November 22 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Srsly hf the dude has one scumread and two townreads..... Yet his vote was on a dude he doesn't even think is mafia for a fucking day... OVER HIS ONLY SCUMREAD!!!!! i don't care what you say anymore | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again not focused. You are scum. Damdred is scum. Haven't found the last one yet. Maybe it's killersos or smth. hehehehehehehehehe you are retarded On November 21 2014 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Templar. idk about Holyflare and Hopeless. VE, Slam and probably Chezinu are town. everyone else are just background noise. On November 22 2014 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wrong. He has had a fucking day to do stuff yet he hasn't done anything. And he has no reads.... Except for three people. rofl. Even those reads are bad, like the read on you is "focused so town". You are anything but focused in this game, i have even pointed that out once.. ![]() Fuck you even said so yourself!!! He isn't trying to find mafia. He pushes ve for shit that does not make anyone mafia. His case is " ve is inconsistent and he lied". Neither of those aren't necessarily scumtraits. He has fucking 10 ppl he has not a read on, has he tried to get a read on them? No, instead he just posts useless walls of shit... | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your masterquote with redshit is from a day ago. I don't even know the english word for what that is called. So i'll just call it wrong. YOU HAVE THE SAME READS THEN DUM DUM the first quote is the same as your day ago quote | ||
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On November 21 2014 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damded could also be mafia. On November 21 2014 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: but i found mafia. everyone remember this post and lynch (shoot) damdred when i lynch templar and he flips scum. you complain about how templar's scum reads don't really exist or w/e but this is the ENTIRETY of your posts on your scum read damdred really just nothing you have 1 scum read | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't have a low amount of reads. I gave three scumreads. I think killer or maybe gb is fourth. That literally means i think everyone else is town. You are not this in competent man.. refer to previous post about how 1 of your scum reads is based on absolutely nothing that you have talked about at all and your one on me is wrong and hasn't actually been stated why at all | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:53 sicklucker wrote: No rayn gave alot of scum reads your wrong here holy. PROVE it | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i complained about thefact templar has\had no reads, YET HE DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT!! If you dunno who is scum you find that out, he didn't even try. That's the fucking point. I am amazed you can't see this and instead throw some crap on me. how has he done nothing to change it wtf are you talking about | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:53 sicklucker wrote: No rayn gave alot of scum reads your wrong here holy. saying someone is scum based off absolutely nothing is not a scum read that is a name with an arbitrary mafia tag next to it | ||
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On November 22 2014 07:56 sicklucker wrote: Like I posted already he said the scum team is you, templar, drudlurker forget his name 1 of two other guys that are lurkers who I forget as well i've already proved why that equates to absolutely nothing, try again | ||
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why is he scum reading me? 0 actual posts but general queries of what i'm doing this game why is he scum reading templar? because templar did the same things he's done this game and has given little in the way of reads, also something about a case being backwards which turned out to not even matter | ||
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On November 22 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote: His posts doesn't look like he is trying to solve the game. He noob claimed 3 times or more. I hate noob claims. It looks like he is trying to get away from people pressuring him by just saying he is new. He is new yet he just said VE is like confirmed town. I think a new guy would be pretty uncertain. Every newbie is confused. Why is he so certain VE is town? he said he is confirmed town | ||
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On November 22 2014 08:47 GlowingBear wrote: I know lian could do that as any alignment so I'm hesitating. He is more likely to do it as town than as mafia, as you can see on Hearthstone. I don't have a read on HF, I've pointed out one post of his that showed he wasn't really sticking to his reads. But I have a stronger read on VE. I find hard to believe they were two mafia bussing each other. which was irrelevant might I add | ||
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On November 22 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote: Nah, it was just a reaction vote I thought holyflare could be following the thread but not posting, so I tried to bait him into posting. Which didn't work, as you can see. I actually just made a post + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2014 07:13 GlowingBear wrote: I won't lynch anyone today other than these (in order of preference): Sick licker Killer SOS Ritoky Chez Hopeless On November 22 2014 07:18 GlowingBear wrote: One of the biggest filters in the thread. Wrong strategy to kill him today. I'll go to day2 with good information on him and I can also get more stuff from him to solidify my read on him. I can't afford going to day2 with people I have too little information. I like to lunch the scummiest lurker day1 damd has moved up to the middleish bit of my list though | ||
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On November 22 2014 10:57 Alakaslam wrote: Am I going back to the days when everyone is town? 4 srs But why hopeless over killersos because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing On November 21 2014 18:05 Holyflare wrote: Also feel conflicted about hopeless but he's probably mafia too. The reaction at the start, the not producing content and asking what he should do. The telling us what mafia like to do and don't like to do. All mafia-y traits. Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE. | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Was my post on SL actually good? if yes, why is it MY responsibility to follow up? You are just as capable. Chez didnt make excuses, say he'd be free at some given time and then fail to produce content. because hindsight is a wonderful thing and now that read has expired while you did absolutely nothing with that information that you had and instead have dropped SL from the face of the earth as he doesn't feature in your list despite you saying previously that what he was doing was scummy | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: Wow I'm starting to like this game because this is the most bizarre one that I have been into. I'm having town feelings from people that usually looks scummy (damdred, Templar, ritoky, slam) and I'm having scum feelings from people that usually looks town (VE, HF, Rayn) Oh god I'm loving it so yeh... you want me to talk about game stuff and then you ignore the game stuff happening for the past page..? | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote: because hopeless has posted things that look scummy and killer has posted like... nothing Coupled with a re-read of his filter and it just being FULL of "what do you thinks?" and questions that don't really lead anywhere or have any kind of follow up and also his read on sicklucker which was not bad has literally just disappeared into thin air and never got pressured after he called out SL's posts about VE. | ||
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On November 22 2014 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ugh i dont like having a reason to scumread ve hf and rayn. makes the game so much harder. Like you say this but you haven't really outlined why we're all really scummy at all??? You town read rayn earlier you town read me (although less at some point because i was lazy) and ve..? Dunno really. You don't say anything about any of us. | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, HF. The only thing I agree with you is the random questioning with no follow ups and the sick locker read. What do you think of sick lucker, HF? I don't know right now because we're lynching hopeless. I don't have time to rethink or reread anyone else I'm pretty damn near passing out | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote: being repeatedly called scum is draining. Maybe angry's the wrong word but my general attitude atm is "fuck this" But when i did the same I'm mafiaish okkkkkkkk | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:50 GlowingBear wrote: I can't keep awake anymore. I'm lynching killer. Good night people No No No No No You are mafia | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:51 GlowingBear wrote: Oh please don't lunch hope. He is more like a question mark than definetely scum. Lunch scummy lurker. Any. But keep people I can avatar later alive. Sheep me | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:53 GlowingBear wrote: Don't do this. I'm really tired. I'll be really mad if you mislynch me, even if you are mafia. Like. Really mad. Sheep me or I will get you lynched for not following me | ||
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On November 22 2014 11:55 GlowingBear wrote: He IS a question mark. Hopwlesgebds robe much more passive when he is mafia. I do t feel sure about lynching him I FEEL SURE. He is the definition of fucking passive. You agree all he has done is ask questions with no follow up. You agree he's dropped reads on people that are scummy. Why are you NOT voting him??? | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:00 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not sheeping you today, HF Not today I'm not voting him be aide he is being g a five a d not as passive as I remember him on avogadri How many more games of mafia have i played with hopeless than you? The answer is infinite. I have never steered you to a wrong lynch when I'm town. This is the right lynch. | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:03 GlowingBear wrote: I'm partner with hope? Do you think I, as scum, would be hard defending him so much if we both were mafia? On day1? Lol Quite easily | ||
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Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?" Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense) Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between. | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm not so tunneled. I have made a more than 90% sure read on hopeless which you even agreed to but you'd rather sleep and fuck over the town on the afk lurker instead. | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:39 Damdred wrote: Dammit hf why can't I think I'm right here? You don't even look at what I posted and comment I read it but I'm exhausted and spending my last energy trying to get people to consolidate onto a mafia that I'm sure of | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:42 Alakaslam wrote: And I still think sos. But what HF. Unpack this scumread in a very short statement. Uncommitted, loose ends, not following up on or caring about own scum reads. Forgetting all about scum read and then being flippant when questioned. I've summarised it quite a few times. | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:28 Holyflare wrote: I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?" Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense) Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between. | ||
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On November 22 2014 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: And holyflare... He one of the strongest -- if not the strongest -- player in this game. Despite being around nearly all time (especially on EOD) he didn't do shit to actully push any lynch. He's used most of his time arguing agaist me and ve, both of which he thinks are town. That's mafiaplay. If you don't think i was pushing hopeless then you need some help. There is nothing BUT a hopeless lynch tomorrow that I will push. Slam is actually very likely mafia for sheeping vets all game and not caring but then when I say I'm sure, like VERY VERY SURE that hopeless is mafia slam decided it wasn't good to sheep me despite calling me town all game. GB is scummy for not sheeping me even though he agreed with my hopeless read and then sleeping with his vote on our VET despite me telling him multiple times that his vote was bad and I even explained why a hopeless lynch would be better. I am also absolutely never lynching lian this game. | ||
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On November 19 2014 02:39 Hopeless1der wrote: pre-game excuses: I do not have access to TL while at work, so if I'm working I will only be able to play 2-3 hours in the evening max. Thankfully this coincides with the deadline so at least I'm able to be around when it counts. My schedule (this week) is Friday to Tuesday. | ||
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On November 22 2014 18:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I find it impossible you, as town, would not get your target lynched with me not around. Coe on, what's the reason hopeless was not lynched if you pushed him? Yes, that's actually my interpretation of the situation. And of course we are never lynching lian. Like that wasn't clear ages ago.. That he's fucking mafia obviously??? Nobody that looks that scummy is so hard to lynch unless they are mafia. | ||
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There isn't any. Sicklucker doesn't appear in hopeless' scum list. Hopeless replied angrily when I talked about this saying I should have done thr work for him. | ||
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Fantasy football mafia hopeless stepped it up on day 2 and was able to make some posts like that. Like I said earlier too there's his SL posts that give me hesitancy but the fact he never followed up thos read and in fact dropped it entirely and dropped his sl scum read based on nothing discernable at all counters the fact that it's insightful because it's most likely a bus that turned out to be not needed. | ||
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On November 22 2014 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are town hf i suggest you try to work with me and ve instead of what you've done. I have ~6 hours to only focus on this after i've eaten and got a laptop so let's find mafia then okay? Not call each other dumb, scumhunt. Deal? Oh please I've done nothing but scum hunt this game and then you just call it stupid because it was on VE because you were wearing blinkers and think your read was superior to me questioning him. I don't have town reads on either of you anymore and especially not the afk ve who returns every so often to take a shot at me and then afk again. I'm just going to push whoever I think is mafia and I'm not particularly going to discuss anything with anyone other than convincing them with cases and arguing that I'm right all over again. | ||
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On November 22 2014 18:52 ritoky wrote: did you see the part where VE voted on hopeless? appears you're the one on a different page. hopeless is mafia. i agree with HF on GB, like he agreed with the read; i mean even went into detail on the level to which he agreed and still refused to vote on hopeless...because??????????? because the guy was afk and not playing the game????? like what the fuck. i am even tempted to lynch GB in front of hopeless for that shit. Yes this | ||
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On November 22 2014 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if it wifom or not because when you do that as mafia you cannot know if people take that as a joke or not. Same as claiming scum. Scum usually don't joke about claiming scum because if they do it can hit you back into the face. There is no point to do that!!! Like idgaf how dumb you think that is but it's still true. no your logic is bad as town you cannot know whether people take it as a joke or not and you might get shot (why would a town want to get shot??) as mafia you cannot know whether people take it as a joke or not and you might get shot (why would a mafia want to get shot??) the more likely explanation being that as either alignment nobody takes it seriously and there is a 0% chance that he'd get shot for it | ||
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On November 22 2014 12:28 Holyflare wrote: I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?" Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense) Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between. | ||
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On November 22 2014 20:16 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lunching VE tomorrow no you fucked up you are voting hopeless, nothing you say is relevant anymore you have lost your opinion in this game until you sheep me correctly | ||
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On November 22 2014 20:38 GlowingBear wrote: HF, VE has being acting scummy a lot of times. Now, near the end of the day, he comes t the thread and votes with you. WITH YOU. HE WAS SCUMREADING YOU. HE HAD NO REASON TO SWITCH HIS VOTE TO HOPELESS. Why did he vote with his top scumread? because my case was very good and sheepable but for some reason not to you despite agreeing with it and hopeless being mafia | ||
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On November 22 2014 20:41 Hopeless1der wrote: No, YOU fucked up, all day long. I will not be lynched this game. I'll be back after work. In the meantime I want to know why VE basically ninja voted me without pushing anything. I fucked up how? I didn't want to lynch our blue role and you haven't responded to a single thing and when ritoky brings up a good new point you call him a dumpster and when you return at deadline you say nothing new here i'm not going to do anything because you knew I was asleep and couldn't push anything further so you didn't refute anything anymore and used bs being around at deadline excuses for people to town read you despite them not being a reason to town read you but it's ok apparently I fucked up despite posting cases on you that you've talked nothing about | ||
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On November 22 2014 20:46 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm sorry, I was salty that I was one of the few who gave a shit to be around at deadline yeh that unofficial vote count and going back to afking was really being around and caring | ||
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6. raynpelikoneet 8. Fecalfeast 4. liancourt 13. ritoky Could be towny 7. VisceraEyes 2. The_Templar 12. Damdred meh 14. Alakaslam 5. Hopeless1der 9. sicklucker 10. GlowingBear 11. Chezinu (was towny because he put vote on sicklucker at time I was thinking of doing the same but inactivity dwindles this down further and further and further) 4 mafia is quite large | ||
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On November 22 2014 20:54 Hopeless1der wrote: "Didn't want to lynch our blue role" WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS BLUE? My "best" information is flawed because you're pushing a towny and have a reputation for leading scum lynches Day 1. I returned to thread, commented that I was back, made a vote count and wondered why no one was around. Going to work now, out of cell range soon. p.s. VE is my top scum. because he flipped blue it's not flawed if you are town at all, people defaulted to a lurker lynch instead of a case that in any other game would be instantly sheeped | ||
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On November 23 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote: Sheeping vets?!?!? Call me scummy for leading this lynch with hopeless, not for sheeping vets. It's like you are not even actually reading me and forming opinions on me from a different game (because I usually DO sheep vets, just not when they all do nothing but fight each other!) because when I DONT sheep, but rather LEAD a lynch, this is what happens! Did nobody notice I was leading this Lynch? I never called you scummy for sheeping vets. I called you scummy for blindly sheeping them which is fine just because you town read them abd I don't care about that but the minute I pushed something on hopeless you decided to stop following the plan you usually follow and ignore my super sure read to lynch someone who was a complete lurker and hadn't even made a mark in the game yet. | ||
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On November 22 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote: Two strongest town on strongest wagon; Hence with my return I ![]() you sheeped your 2 strongest town reads without even reading the game On November 22 2014 06:30 Alakaslam wrote: Neither really just vet sheeping I play horribly openly. you openly vet sheeped which is cool even though you didn't have your own reads then you ditched everything to lynch lurkers because you had no better alternative once I started to draw people off of templar and then completely ignored the hopeless lynch to lynch someone who was just afk and nothing more and hadn't even commented on any of the hopeless stuff at all you just said "i don't see it" even though there is nothing not to see because my case explains everything that he's done that is scummy and there is no "i don't see it" because it IS scummy | ||
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I can't really stay up any longer... Please just look at hopeless' filter page 2 onwards when the game actually starts and then just sheep me Repeated questions that lead nowhere with no follow up and lots of "what do you think about that person?" and "what about this person?" Defending peoples thought processes and telling us what scum do (in regards to templars post) but it was actually quite the opposite and weird (he said mafia want to try and not scum read people in their posts which didn't make sense) Scum read SL for interaction with VE but completely dropped any line of questioning to do with SL and despite scum reading him he doesn't even appear in his scum list. When queried where the read went the super weird response of you should have followed it up for me was given which does not show any kind of town playing in the dark thinking at all Dismissal of ve, rayn and me but previously had town reads on us (maybe not ve?) when nothing had changed in between. I'm posting this one last time. I want people that don't have hopeless as their main lynch of choice to tell me WHY these points don't make him scummier than anyone else. I want them to dissect this post and tell me why they disagree with it. I want the people that chose not to sheep me on hopeless but instead lynch our veteran to explain what was wrong with this case and why they chose a guy that wasn't even playing the game over someone who has done only scummy things. Time to step up slackers. | ||
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On November 23 2014 01:42 Alakaslam wrote: I just said it, but for tl:dr reasons I will specifically state the answer to this part. That is because you three phuxed up and Deffo have a scum amongst you but since you all h8 each other I can't figure out who. So I have to trust none of you. Absolutely just no wtf is this. You say why am I arguing with VE when he is doing scummy things. You say I shouldn't question rayn when he's doing scummy things and dismissing everything valid but then you say we should all make up but theres definitely 1 scum between us!?!?!??!?!?! wtf wtf wtf THEN you say that I FUCKED UP?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Well you are right, RVEHF. BUT IT IS BECAUSE YOU THREE BEHAVED SO BADLY THAT UOU DID NOT DESERVE IT AND CONFUSED EVERYONE AND I HAD TO DO SKMETHING I made THE BEST case in the game to lynch someone scummy that absolutely nobody followed for no reason at all and nobody sheeped it. Don't tell me I fucked up and confused people when I was the only one trying to drive the lynch into a direction that wasn't on our veteran. | ||
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On November 23 2014 02:01 GlowingBear wrote: Now kiss. Can we start organising reads instead of scream at one another? We still have a lot of bad people. FF, sick licker are two examples here On November 23 2014 01:35 Holyflare wrote: I'm posting this one last time. I want people that don't have hopeless as their main lynch of choice to tell me WHY these points don't make him scummier than anyone else. I want them to dissect this post and tell me why they disagree with it. I want the people that chose not to sheep me on hopeless but instead lynch our veteran to explain what was wrong with this case and why they chose a guy that wasn't even playing the game over someone who has done only scummy things. Time to step up slackers. you are the main person who needs to answer this | ||
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i thought ve was scummy for doing that but if you are saying ve is doing the same and you are scum reading ve and want him dead tomorrow then by extension it IS alignment indicative because scum in your eyes are doing it hopeless didn't "flip" his read, he completely ditched the read entirely and shut down when questioned on it | ||
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you also ignored my rebuttal to the hopeless thing | ||
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"no lynch this guy" give reasons please people otherwise nobody is getting lynched at all | ||
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oh it's one of those 3d images! | ||
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On December 01 2014 17:54 GlowingBear wrote: You've became obvious mafia to me when chez changed his vote from you to Templar lol The noob claim + being confident also convinced me. It's a shame nobody reads what I post well you also write things like damdred being the towny vigi ;p | ||
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