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On November 06 2014 02:17 batsnacks wrote:Why would I unvote lightning if not to save him?
By unvoting lightning, but placing your vote on me, you essentially guaranteed that the cop would die while also giving yourself an excuse. See, you may have switched your vote off lightning... but you placed it on me. So, we're left with nothing but your word that it was an honest mistake that you put your vote on me (which got our cop killed) instead of on Immaterial (which would have saved our cop).
If you truly intended to save our cop you would have put your vote on Immaterial. In essence, the way you voted ensured that you and your scum team could still kill the cop while also giving you a convenient way out by claiming you took your vote off, even though you knew doing so wouldn't change the outcome.
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I suppose that was expected.
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I'll go ahead and start off today the way yesterday should have ended. This one's for you, Grack. RIP!
##vote Immaterial
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On November 06 2014 07:54 Breshke wrote:
Serajai do you think his play has been scummy or is this based of the split vote alone? Also ehs do you think about the fact that he hasn't posted in over 24 hours.
Of course I think his play was scummy; that's why I tried to start a lynch on him yesterday, but Grack was the only person to initially agree with me.
The whole "hey guys I didn't read thread but I'll vote to lynch cop and come back with a legit reasoning for it soon" crap he pulled last night, and then never came back to explain why he voted to lynch the cop... it doesn't get much more scum than that.
Waiting for him to pop in later with some excuse that his internet died or something.
As far as I'm concerned he's guilty until proven innocent, and he needs to have a damn good explanation for his vote last night.
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Immaterial - My choice for a lynch today because of what played out last night and his general scummy behavior prior to that. I feel that we will learn the most from lynching him.
Elvis - Scum, but lynching him wouldn't really give any clues as to who the other scum are.
Batsnacks - Same as Elvis.
Fecal - Still leaning scum, but far less than I was yesterday. Immaterial has taken over his spot for me.
kush - Still leaning scum, but he's at the bottom of my list and has been AFK so much there's really no good way to read him.
Bresh - Formerly town, now I'm null on him.
sicklucker - null, but leaning slightly town. Hasn't been here long enough to really get a good read.
Kelsier - was null, now leaning scum. His fake CC last night could very easily have been a scum move. Once Lightning claimed cop and votes started moving off him, Kelsier could have really wanted the cop dead and as such used a fake CC to get votes back on Lightning. After all, Lightning was kind of bumbling around already so it wouldn't have been hard to paint him as a liar. Then, at the last minute Keslier rescinds his fake CC. Cop still gets lynched and Kelsier is cleared of any wrongdoing. As scum, this would actually have been a pretty safe play for him; he would know Lightning was telling the truth so there would be nobody to dispute his fake CC.
Superbia - With Grack gone, this is my only real town read at the moment and I'm not sure how strong it is since he's not overly active in the thread.
Sentinel - Thought he was town at first, then he started acting scummy... now I feel like he's null but leaning town, and the reason he seems scummy is because he's just a bad player.
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On November 06 2014 08:11 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Nice was unsure of grak so just read him as town so mafia would shoot him.
same reason i called breshke and Elvis mafia. Was hoping mafia would avoid then. I think breshke and Elvis are my top town. Two people that could have saved the cop but didn't? Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 07:58 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 07:54 Breshke wrote:
Serajai do you think his play has been scummy or is this based of the split vote alone? Also ehs do you think about the fact that he hasn't posted in over 24 hours. Of course I think his play was scummy; that's why I tried to start a lynch on him yesterday, but Grack was the only person to initially agree with me. The whole "hey guys I didn't read thread but I'll vote to lynch cop and come back with a legit reasoning for it soon" crap he pulled last night, and then never came back to explain why he voted to lynch the cop... it doesn't get much more scum than that. Waiting for him to pop in later with some excuse that his internet died or something. As far as I'm concerned he's guilty until proven innocent, and he needs to have a damn good explanation for his vote last night. If you were in his situation would you unvote the cop to kill yourself? Like think in the heat of the moment with those few minutes left would you do that? Also i am not actually convinced he was around at EoD. Also I feel like if he was mafia he would have posted at least one time during the night out of respect for his teammates so he doesn't run the risk of getting modkilled. Don't confuse what I am doing here i think he could very well be scum after reading through his filter his big post here comes off as forced to me but that could also just be a nervous newbie townie. I just think you are rushing into this and not even considering the fact that he very well could be town. Kush on the other hand is the person i would rather lynch today as i can't justify the way he is playing as being town.
Of course I would kill myself over the cop; but that's because I'm town, and my death is not really important in the grand scheme of things. Immaterial is scum, so saving the cop would be counter-productive for him - especially if he died in the process.
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On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia?
Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop;
Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him.
batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse.
Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC.
I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned.
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On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there.
You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning.
So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town.
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On November 06 2014 08:30 Breshke wrote:
Also look when immaterial placed his vote. At this time in the thread KSC was still a cc, immaterial would not have known that LS was the real cop as either alignment he just seemed to be voting with what town was doing at the time because he wasn't caught up. Serejai i want you to do something for me now that is legit hard to do in my opinion because i never can. I want you to consider immaterial is town, who now is your scum team?
My scum list hasn't really changed. I think it's Elvis + batsnacks, and one other. That third has shifted from Fecal to Immaterial, though, and last night complicates things a bit because now everyone but Grack looks scummy to me for their voting.
So, if I were to pretend Immaterial is town... I would probably go with Elvis, batsnacks, and kush. I would like to say Kelsier, but that would either mean I'm wrong about batsnacks or that batsnacks is bussing Kelsier. I don't think either is likely, and everyone else is equally scummy to me... so I'd go with kush because he's basically AFK and not contributing anyway.
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Wars bide... my friends.
And I'm at war with Immaterial today.
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On November 06 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town. If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing.
Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum.
On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier.
It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said.
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On November 06 2014 09:03 Elvis! wrote:
I agree with bats and Bresh here.
Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop?
He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived.
These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team.
Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial.
These tunneling posts are getting old. Of course you agree with bats; he's your scumbuddy. The only two things you've done all game are talk about how town bats is and how scum I am.
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On November 06 2014 09:08 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 09:05 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:27 batsnacks wrote:On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. All of those can be traced back to exactly one thing though: Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. What is KSC's motivation for waiting until 3 minutes before deadline to rescind? There is no town motivation there. You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning. So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town. If you at any point thought Lightning was the real cop, the only logical course of action for you to take (as town) would be to vote KSC since he was the one ccing. Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum. On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier. It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said. I was convinced Lightning was scum because we had a counter claim. That is the reason. And it is a damn good reason. I don't fault you because of your vote on Immaterial, despite what you think I actually tried to switch my vote to him once I figured out I could save the cop by doing so. I think you're scummy for other reasons.
Don't come in here and claim you thought Lightning was scum because of Kelsier's counter claim when
a) You were the first person to vote to lynch Lightning,
b) Well before he claimed cop, and
c) Even longer before Kelsier counter-claimed
You thought he was scum because you "caught him in my bat trap" or whatever nonsense you were wrong about.
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On November 06 2014 10:10 Breshke wrote:
Also why is immaterial scummy?
On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes
Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late
28 hours later and we're still waiting for this justification he had for lynching the cop.
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On November 06 2014 10:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 10:26 Serejai wrote:On November 06 2014 10:10 Breshke wrote:
Also why is immaterial scummy? On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes
Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late 28 hours later and we're still waiting for this justification he had for lynching the cop. I agree I expect immaterial to come back to the thread and do his best to portray town and hunt scum. I find it weird that he said he would justify his vote because he admitted to not reading the thread meaning he was going to read him scum no matter what. Serejai do you not think kush is just as bad. He was voting for sentinel with an unjustified vote which also lynched the cop. Yes it wasn't in such a direct way but the end result is still the same.
I'm null, slightly scum on kush. The fact that he is AFK is a big red flag to me but he hasn't really posted enough to get a read on. Ideally people who have played with him in previous games should step up and comment on his appearances... or lack thereof, but so far everyone seems to be turning a blind eye to him.
I'm concerned about him because whatever he is, he's not really being helpful to town at all... but I'm more concerned about other people at the moment. There are three mafia... can't get them all in one day.
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So what if cricketer was mafia, and he got replaced instead of modkilled. And Sentinel was also mafia, which is why Sentinel told everyone to take their votes off cricket because he was going to be modkilled anyway.
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This thread died fast after yesterday's fail lynch.
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People who have seemingly disappeared from the thread since we lynched the cop:
kush
Sentinel
Elvis
Immaterial
kush - Has been afk pretty much all game anyway, so his activity has not really changed.
Sentinel - His activity in this thread has dropped noticeably since the lynching.
Elvis - His activity has steadily declined all game. He started off being one of the most active players, then threw a vote on me... and ever since he hasn't really contributed anything at all to the game. He's made like three posts since the lynch; two of them were fluff posts that were made to look like he was active but didn't actually contain anything, and the third was him tunneling me as usual. If he's not scum then he's the least helpful townie possible - even less helpful than kush. At least when kush posts it's usually about someone different each time. 99% of Elvis' posts are just tunneling me and not benefiting town in any way. Lots of words with nothing being said.
Immaterial - Disappeared after lynching the cop and claiming he had a good reason for it that he would provide shortly. 48 hours later and he still hasn't posted again.
In essence all four of these players have been doing nothing at all to help town. I'm actually going to change my vote back to Elvis for what I mentioned above, because he's actually the least consistent of those four. A very close second would be Sentinel, who was active at the start and then tapered off quickly. I think I would be happy to lynch either of those two today, over Immaterial or kush. My vote will stay on Elvis for the time being, though.
##unvote
##vote Elvis
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I don't think there's really enough posting done by kush to make a case against him, other than "his scum play is bad and he usually afks when scum". I mean, that's a good reason... I'm just saying he isn't posting enough to really have other reasons against him. I think he's scum but I would lynch him for AFKing sooner than I would lynch him for being scum, if that makes sense. It's hard to come up with multiple different cases against him.
As far as reading people who have become less active... not so much. I've been on Elvis all game, and I've been on Immaterial nearly all game. For me, nothing has really changed with either of them. However, for all of the people that thought they were town on Day 1... I'm pointing out that they should reconsider based on how their play, or lack thereof, has changed.
For kush I don't think much has changed for me; his play is consistent(ly bad). For Sentinel, he was very active early game and now he's barely around at all now that people want to vote him. Essentially those four people I listed are all acting scummier today than they were yesterday, to varying degrees. Those are the four people I think we should look at lynching today, and focus our efforts on reading and whatnot.
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And basically, with kush... what Grack said about his mafia play and being idle is a great reason to lynch him. It's just that, in my opinion, Elvis, Sentinel, and Immaterial all have equally good reasons to lynch, and more of them.
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