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On November 04 2014 12:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Summary of stuff what happened when I left: People unvoting Superbia and people are thinking Elvis is mafia but others do not and were making arguments for and against Elvis.
In the future, try not to make posts like these. A summary of recent events does nothing to further the discussion and, with the speed of TL mafia games normally being ridiculous, will get you scumread for trying to make it look like you are posting. I'm giving you this post as a freebie because I was pretty bad as a newbie too.
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On November 04 2014 12:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Summary of stuff what happened when I left: People unvoting Superbia and people are thinking Elvis is mafia but others do not and were making arguments for and against Elvis.
Sounds interesting! What do you think of those arguments? FF just wrote out a long argument for why Sentinel is scum. Do you agree with his argument?
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EBWOP: "...make it look like you are posting more content than you are"
I have to learn to finish one thought before moving onto the next
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On November 04 2014 12:14 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 12:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Summary of stuff what happened when I left: People unvoting Superbia and people are thinking Elvis is mafia but others do not and were making arguments for and against Elvis. Sounds interesting! What do you think of those arguments? FF just wrote out a long argument for why Sentinel is scum. Do you agree with his argument?
 I wrote it for you, do you agree with my argument?
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Putting fecalfeast on leaning town atm, since his posts are funded, he got his information, points things out throughoutly and has legit arguments.
Will go to sleep now, don't know when I'll post again. Some time during uni tomorrow, ETA 12 hours. Will defo make a decently big post before EoD and some smaller ones before that.
Maccaroni, so now that some people have posted opinions on several suspects, what's your: most scum / view on the recent posts.
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On November 04 2014 12:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 12:14 Grackaroni wrote:On November 04 2014 12:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Summary of stuff what happened when I left: People unvoting Superbia and people are thinking Elvis is mafia but others do not and were making arguments for and against Elvis. Sounds interesting! What do you think of those arguments? FF just wrote out a long argument for why Sentinel is scum. Do you agree with his argument? I wrote it for you, do you agree with my argument?
No I don't sorry.
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.
I agree with what Sentinel said here about Elvis' entrance, which is what Breshke said as well. Everyone else entered the game trying to contribute their reads. The first thing Elvis did was complain about everyone focusing on Superbia's trolling and add that he can't get any reads because of it. But he could have just questioned people to get reads like everyone else. I think this is scummy behavior and it's something that I have done as scum. ("I have no reads because nothing has happened yet. Everyone else's arguments so far have been bad" - while making no effort to try to get something to happen)
I disagree with Superbia's point about scum being more likely to take him up on his tunneling offer for the same reason I disagree with Superbia being scummy for his tunneling comments. Once again I think it was pretty clear that Superbia wasn't actually going to tunnel somebody so Sentinel is just joking around at the start of the game in the same way that Superbia was.
I don't mind the host wifom at the start of the game. Actually I kind of agree with what Breshke said about leaning town on him for mentioning it - (as in it's a weird thing for him to think about if he is on a team with 3 people not sorted that way, and he wouldn't want to mention it if he was on a team that followed that distribution), but it's a thought that probably occurred to him pregame.
The one point I agree with you on is that the series of posts talking about Superbia aren't important for Elvis' alignment since they were in a very short timespan. I don't really see a strong agenda though of him trying to lynch Elvis for those posts.
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On November 04 2014 12:30 Elvis! wrote:
Putting fecalfeast on leaning town atm, since his posts are funded, he got his information, points things out throughoutly and has legit arguments.
Will go to sleep now, don't know when I'll post again. Some time during uni tomorrow, ETA 12 hours. Will defo make a decently big post before EoD and some smaller ones before that.
Maccaroni, so now that some people have posted opinions on several suspects, what's your: most scum / view on the recent posts.
I was really hoping for you to answer the question I had left for you earlier.
On November 04 2014 07:39 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 06:53 Elvis! wrote:On November 04 2014 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about. You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote. I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now. For me, you lean scum atm. I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place. I would like you not to turn words around in my mouth. I never said the most, I said a lot more than some others, since some people just were like "I like the case vote superbia". Also, not posting doesn't mean he hasn't seen it yet AND some people (I'm positively looking at you, chelsea) retracted when they realised it wasn't useful, BEFORE superbia even posted. Even if he really at that point didn't see it yet, he still had it at least until then, even though people agreed way beforehand that it's not a topic that will find us scum. Of course the scenario exists, where he posted his last post, went off, didn't look at anything until some time after superbia posted. But this is mafia, people usually read it a lot if they're clever, be it mafai (thanks superbia) or town. the wording most vs a lot more than others doesn't really matter to me and doesn't change my question. You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct? It seems to me that you've just taken one quote out of context and are using it to form that scum read, since a lot of Sentinel's filter shows Sentinel not being a lot more serious about scum reading Superbia than others Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.
Do you still feel that Sentinel was more serious than others in pushing Superbia and that he is scum for it?
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On November 04 2014 09:00 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kush is in my townreads because the more I look at his opening (asking scum to surrender because he thought we had an OP town setup) in combination with his lack of tolerance for bullshit (the serejai post) the more I think he's coming from a town mindset.
Yeah he's got a total of 8 posts since game start but in those 8 posts he has questioned super's tunneling post, sentinel's RNG manipulation post, "figured out" how to win as town(I can't read either) ANd called out the serejai post.
Again, all looks like it's coming from a town PoV
So i have been thinking about this and i don't actually think this is a good enough reason to read kush as town.
On November 03 2014 07:22 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!
I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.
Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve! do you usually have strong feelings about who to lynch d1?
I agree this post is towny but what do you think kush got from it. In part it isn't his fault because superbia never answerd but neither did he push to get an answer.
The next two posts are about sentinels host based wifom as people are calling it and this isnt town either. He isn't hunting scum just explaining mechanics.
Next three posts are him misreading the setup. Yes this could be considered townie because he thought we had autowin and obviously wouldn't point this out as scum. What has he done after this though?The answer is nothing no scum hunting just one post telling serajai to give reads which he could easily do as scum to make a newbie town look bad. He hasn't even posted any reads himself either.
So please explain ff and anyone else reading kush as town.
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On November 04 2014 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:He made some rather strange posts earlier in the thread Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. He seems to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:57 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:38 Breshke wrote:On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. Who's posts, which ones try quote them if you can. What do you think about them because of these posts? I suppose the main post I'm referring to in regard to Superbia is Kelsier's: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
Superbia's initial posts seemed trollish at the very least. He just dropped the posts and bailed from the thread... Maybe he's just busy, but in any case it seems that doing what he did serves little purpose but to instill confusion/chaos among the town. Kelsier's reasoning in the post quoted above regarding Superbia seems sound. It's very fishy for me with those two posts.
Sorry guys, haven't had a whole lot of time today so I'm just now reading the thread. Time is likely to continue to be tight for me until Thursday due to work obligations.
I see that many people are getting scummy vibes from me, and I understand to a degree. I readily acknowledge that my posts haven't been particularly valuable, and my analysis has been limited. Hopefully I can change the trend by extending this post beyond merely defending myself. But I have to start there:
In response to Lightning's post in particular, you said that I "seem[ed] to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post." In fact, the only reason I made the post in question is that I was prompted by Breshke to explain further. My explanation perhaps was not based on the most sound possible reason, but it was my sincere feeling at the time regarding Superbia.What some of you have perceived as suspicious or scummy behaviour is in fact just my honest efforts at forcing myself to contribute. My natural tendency is to lurk and speak when spoken to.
I will attempt now to give my overall impressions of some of the other players in here and my reads on them. My confidence level on all of these reads is quite low, but I want to at least demonstrate that I'm putting effort towards trying to figure things out.
I was sketched by the Superbia thing, but now that he's back I don't really detect negative vibes from him. I feel like I jumped the gun significantly on my vote, and as such would like to ##Unvote. I intend to think my next vote through more carefully -- if not based on my own analysis, I will try to make my it based on sound analysis from another poster.
I was initially sketched out by Breshke. He just asked a lot of questions and made a post or two that I thought were questionable early (the "decent player" comment and the one about mafia putting in effort). As the thread has progressed, my read has reversed. At this point, I feel Breshke has been one of the more concise and contributive posters.
My read on lightning is neutral. His suspicion against me was reasonable, but I do think designating me as "top scum" is a bit much.
In regard to Elvis!, somewhat early on I had a strange thought. Elvis! kept mentioning the Superbia posts, but repeatedly placed emphasis on the fact that how Super follows up the posts is what really matters; in his words, " His reaction is all that counts. So I imagined that Elvis + super were both aligned mafia, and that Super would come back and make a post or series of posts that would negate the suspicion drawn early. Thereby wasting our time + evading blame. In this scenario, Elvis' posts were intended to help ensure that everyone only paid attention to Super's subsequent reaction. Perhaps this is silly, and I'm not even close to convinced of it now (if i was I may not have retracted Super vote), but it's a thought.
As for Elvis' more recent posts, I've seen some people voting for him to by lynched, but I haven't seen any posts from him that really jump out at me. I do get a general negative vibe from him, but I can't substantiate the claim enough to really say that I read him as scum.
Batsnacks -- initial read scum (pretty unfounded in retrospect), now neutral.
Grack -- Neutral, leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating.
FF -- Neutral leaning town. Can't really provide meaningful analysis to justify this rating.
Seraj -- Leaning scum. His initial comment was of absolutely zero value and was intended to be of zero value. As well, I disagree with this read: "Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia." I just didn't get that feeling at all, and this comment seemed baseless. His subsequent vote for Fecalfeast seemed somewhat suspect as well.
This is my best effort at analyzing what's happened so far. If there's a point I didn't extrapolate on, you can bet that it's more of a feeling than a firmly-rooted analytical conclusion.
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I'll add that FF's analysis of Sentinel was interesting and definitely worth further evaluation. I'll also say that Elvis seems less shady to me as I'm taking a further look at the last handful of pages. I will chime in again tomorrow when I can, at the very least to place my mandatory vote.
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##Vote: kushm4sta
Reasons why i think kush isn't town are in my last post.
On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!
The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.
Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"
Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
I disagree with you here. First of all a town tunneling on a town isn't a waste of time. People can get reads from not only on the two people involved but also from other peoples reactions to said tunnel. This would be the same case if you were mafia and sentinel was town. So in the world where sentinel is town and especially if he is an experienced player i think it is totally fair enough for him to volunteer to be tunneled as it would be a great way to get reads.
Lets look now from the perspective if sentinel is mafia. What does he have to gain volunteering to be tunneled on by a player who seemed confident at the time. This would just bring unwanted attention to himself when it would have been easy for him to sit back and just not react to that post at all as it wasn't directed at him.
There is also the world where sentinel and superbia are both mafia but i doubt they have an interaction like this so early if that is the case.
I also find it hard to believe that you were actually laying a trap with that post and still think you were just making it up as you go along. I do like your other reads though although you feel a lot less passionate than other games i have played with you but i think that is just when i compare your activity this game to other games.
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@Grackaroni Sorry I must have missed your question, I thought it was answered with my posts already - so here we go:
You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct?
One point what I thought was scummy was exactly what you said.
To be fair, some of this push was to pressure to get him to answer. I couldn't know that he didn't have time to answer / retract the vote, so I thought him not posting again is intentional and strenghening the power if his push. It might still be, mafai can lie about not having time, but atm my leaning scum read is more based on ff's push, since he also did after all retract his vote (which doesn't mean too much, considering noone else is voting on him anymore).
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Voting on him anymore meaning voting on superbia anymore
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Elvis is your biggest scum read still lightning strike?
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Yeah he's the one I'm happiest with lynching.
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Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list).
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I just woke up and saw Elvis thinking I am a scum when he already switched his views a lot so his vote should be taken with a grain of salt on that part but however I do agree his posts were mainly suspicious because of him defending Superbia with mostly saying just wait till Superbia post and after Superbia made a post Elvis tried to stear all the attention away from Superbia and placed it on me and Sentinel which kind of screams Scum due to Sentinel is a townie and although my post are kind of bad but I am a Townie.
##unvote
##vote Elvis
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On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote:
Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list).
I don't think you even read what I'm writing.
On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts.
You say I call Superbia out.
In the very post you quote me on I say I don't read him as scum since it's not him distracting people.
I always stayed with my opinion of not calling Superbia scum. No flip-flop happened.
Straight up lies.
When exactly do I flip-flop on you? I can see why you didn't qoute me on it because there is nothing.
Trolling can be different and trolling on the second page is a bit different than what you're doing. If you want me to further elaborate on that I can.
Again straight up lies.
I don't even wanna start on how IRL mafia barely relates to a lot of things in forum mafia. Also I just don't see the connection here.
Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play".
Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does.
But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying.
So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently.
Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you .
I especially dislike you sheeping Lightning here.
Saying his play is scummy but you rate him null because of what reason? Because his partner would tell him to not post something stupid? Why didn't you tell him then, since for me you two are scum here.
This is one of the weirdest sheeping going on I have seen in a while and with that a major scumslip .
Please other people give intel on who of these two to lynch first. Atm I'm on
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Please show where exactly I have changed my view a lot.
I haven't.
Apart from changing one's mind in the game of mafia being a perfectly normal thing as with new information comes new intel.
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